If you look at things in terms of unfettered entirely amoral capitalism
Isn't that about a way to consider things? If you were running VW and all you cared about was money (see the quote above about viewpoint if you've drifted off) wouldn't you do the same?
So my point is that since GM got away with it and came out ahead others are going to try. It's VW this time. What do we do to stop the next bunch?
I posted something very clear and simple yet it triggers posts with breathtaking levels of misunderstanding. How far do I need to dumb things down? Is there a game going on where people pretend to be incredibly stupid and deliberately misunderstand so they can pretend I'm writing about their pet topic?
It's an example of opposing desires and a failure of regulation. Don't try to turn it into left versus right because it is not. I'm sure if you think before posting you can work out why I used "unfettered". You can't? OK then, it's because the right doesn't like bad actors fucking over society either so are no more fond of raw uncontrolled capitalism than the left. It's society versus someone extending a middle finger to society when caught kicking it in the guts. I dumbed that down to the point of being condescending so please do not pretend that you are still too dumb to get it.
I take great offence when someone both lies to me and treats me like I'm an idiot that should believe the lie. If you don't want to be treated like scum don't act like scum.
It is a very appropriate response for a deliberate attempt to mislead that depends upon ignorance. You are preying on the weak. What's with the political propaganda shit on a tech site anyway? The article is a troll and it's certainly brought partisan responses out of the woodwork.
A bit thin skinned I see - you marked me foe just for that! If you are going to go for full political tribalism on a tech site then expect a bit of criticism.
At least that's my presumption. PBS - Independent Lens, as I recall. 'Snot too bad. I watch a lot of documentaries, probably too many as it is all I typically watch.
(KGIII I've seen it, too lazy to unpack and not going to login on my phone.)
Thanks, yes that's the correct name. Cool moments like a opera singer showing what he can do in a huge abandoned railway station.
Why buy Dell when something better is cheaper and costs less to ship? As mentioned earlier, ASUS were assembling for Dell, and there are several others. Lenovo also typically beats them on price and quality - but if it's not a laptop I prefer either parts or something like a SuperMicro reseller anyway.
Ah, sorry I was confused. I only got one of those things back in the day to run a CDROM before they could run off standard IDE so needed a sound card with ATAPI. Every time I exited MS Windows to MSDOS or to shut down it would crash due to it trying to make an exit sound. Then I got a full length soundblaster on a board where it ended up jutting up against the CPU heatsink - five minutes running and it warmed up enough to expand the fibreglass to the point where the CPU starting coming out of the socket and crashed! Pieces of crap and I really don't know why we put up with it.
At least now it seems easier to work out what bits to put in a machine, but I have to admit the range of Intel sockets confused me after I hadn't paid attention for a decade.
I tried to move things from specific to general to help explain the problem yet you've moved to overly specific to needlessly complicate the issue. Would you like to try again and discuss things sensibly this time or did you just see the name of a "foe" and decide to be annoying?
True. I watched the documentary "Detroitopia" last night, which although it didn't say much about GM it had a car show sequence where the comparison between the Chevy Volt and a Chinese electric car was brushed aside by some GM rep exactly the same way they said Honda etc didn't matter a few decades back. There's also the bit about new hires working for 50% less than the position used to pay but that may not have only been GM.
Wow. Bringing all that baggage in is just asking for a comparison with another bunch that put a minority they didn't like into ghettos and then went in to kill them in the ghettos. Do you really want to keep things on such a level? Remember it's not "Israel" that is doing this, just the bunch of fascists currently running it that would have their grandparents recoil in horror. It's also not Daesh living in Gaza.
The real issue is people in power being utter pricks and exploiting a conflict for their own advancement. While advocating genocide no less.
Israel is not trying to censor speech. They're trying to stop incitement.
By censoring speech. It's businesses as usual just like trying to discredit journalists writing about Israel that report anything other than roses and sunshine.
Look up "war propaganda" kids. It's a tool greatly employed by these extremists of the sort that their grandparents had to flee from.
The article makes it sound like Israel is trying to silence the Palestinians from presenting their side. This is not the case (at least in this particular instance)
Fair enough for this case, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but there are plenty of situations where the corrupt bunch of extremists currently in charge of Israel do so. One sided war propaganda from a bunch that very much resemble what the Jewish people had to flee from is the order of the day. If this keeps up Israel is going to be treated like South Africa was some years back.
GM got caught out doing something similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... They were fined $11 million but probably saved a vast amount more than that by conducting that fraud.
If you look at things in terms of unfettered entirely amoral capitalism Volkswagen had a duty to their shareholders to carry out the same sort of fraud since the financial benefits looked as if they would vastly exceed the penalty for getting caught.
As for reputation - who remembers GM doing this? In a few years time will we still remember this current fraud and jokingly call them FalseVagen?
These frauds are going to keep on occurring unless there is some sort of incentive to convince the people involved to stop. We've seen in China how far these things can go with poison in milk to pass a regulatory test.
I do not understand that comment apart from a reference to a brand of card that hardly anyone ever buys any more due to onboard sound hardware being far better than those cards used to be when they were proclaiming how fantastic they were. What's with the childish insult and a suggestion to investigate something I already know a lot about? Is it some sort of movie reference? Please explain.
for example, I stay clear of nVidia because many of those cards are a nightmare on Linux
I use those cards on a bit over thirty dual screen (or up to six in two cases) workstations because they are not a nightmare on linux. Just download the driver from the website like all the MS Windows users do for everything instead of mucking about with the built in driver and you'll never have that nightmare again.
Then the retail price of the components came down again. Ever wondered why ASUS seemed to come from nowhere but had a huge range of parts on day one? They were the ones building the decent Dell machines and were only missing distributors.
The "myth" situation was due to chips produced to handle a higher speed than they were tested at and sold as while items in the same batch were tested and sold for the higher speed. The "slower" chips were not rejected at the higher speed since they were never even tested for that speed. Thus things like a Pentium II 450MHz being sold at well under half price as a Celeron 300MHz - needing just the same heatsink as the expensive version to run solid as a rock at the same speed.
Fast forward to today and some people think that situation still exists. However for a gaming PC the benefit of extra speed may be more important than the CPU doing weird stuff on rare occasions so most failures may not actually matter.
Good point but there really are not that many parts to obsess over since most stuff is on the motherboards now (who still buys extra sound cards?). If it's for gaming then it's probably not going to take much longer comparing video cards than comparing prebuilt systems. It does give you the flexability where you can get something like that prebuilt system only in a big case with a huge fan so you don't have to worry about keeping it cool in summer. "Just like that one only with X as well" is what a lot of "research" will come down to.
Not really unfortunate when you consider what happened in the high altitude test that resulted in that part of the ban: From wikipedia (http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_nuclear_explosion):
in July 1962 the Starfish Prime test damaged electronics in Honolulu and New Zealand (approximately 1,300 kilometers away), fused 300 street lights on Oahu (Hawaii), set off about 100 burglar alarms, and caused the failure of a microwave repeating station on Kauai, which cut off the sturdy telephone system from the other Hawaiian islands.
As for the whole "France has more experience in terrorism", a simple Wikipedia search proves you wrong
For the knowledge of others to be useful some understanding on your part that you can link it to is required. You've just given an example of a failure in that respect and in using a metric for a purpose it was never intended for. That metric does not prove what you have written in any way.
Just accept the criticism at face value. I'm not even going as far as you did in telling you what to do.
I'm just pointing out that others who know more than you do don't really need your very stupid suggestion and it's likely to annoy the shit out of people like me who are in no way experts so would not attempt to run down those who are - yet someone with less understanding than would be expected in the general population is having a go!
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Isn't that about a way to consider things?
If you were running VW and all you cared about was money (see the quote above about viewpoint if you've drifted off) wouldn't you do the same?
So my point is that since GM got away with it and came out ahead others are going to try. It's VW this time. What do we do to stop the next bunch?
I posted something very clear and simple yet it triggers posts with breathtaking levels of misunderstanding. How far do I need to dumb things down? Is there a game going on where people pretend to be incredibly stupid and deliberately misunderstand so they can pretend I'm writing about their pet topic?
It's an example of opposing desires and a failure of regulation.
Don't try to turn it into left versus right because it is not.
I'm sure if you think before posting you can work out why I used "unfettered". You can't? OK then, it's because the right doesn't like bad actors fucking over society either so are no more fond of raw uncontrolled capitalism than the left. It's society versus someone extending a middle finger to society when caught kicking it in the guts.
I dumbed that down to the point of being condescending so please do not pretend that you are still too dumb to get it.
I take great offence when someone both lies to me and treats me like I'm an idiot that should believe the lie.
If you don't want to be treated like scum don't act like scum.
It is a very appropriate response for a deliberate attempt to mislead that depends upon ignorance. You are preying on the weak.
What's with the political propaganda shit on a tech site anyway? The article is a troll and it's certainly brought partisan responses out of the woodwork.
A bit thin skinned I see - you marked me foe just for that!
If you are going to go for full political tribalism on a tech site then expect a bit of criticism.
*Detropia
At least that's my presumption. PBS - Independent Lens, as I recall. 'Snot too bad. I watch a lot of documentaries, probably too many as it is all I typically watch.
(KGIII I've seen it, too lazy to unpack and not going to login on my phone.)
Thanks, yes that's the correct name.
Cool moments like a opera singer showing what he can do in a huge abandoned railway station.
Why buy Dell when something better is cheaper and costs less to ship?
As mentioned earlier, ASUS were assembling for Dell, and there are several others. Lenovo also typically beats them on price and quality - but if it's not a laptop I prefer either parts or something like a SuperMicro reseller anyway.
Ah, sorry I was confused. I only got one of those things back in the day to run a CDROM before they could run off standard IDE so needed a sound card with ATAPI. Every time I exited MS Windows to MSDOS or to shut down it would crash due to it trying to make an exit sound. Then I got a full length soundblaster on a board where it ended up jutting up against the CPU heatsink - five minutes running and it warmed up enough to expand the fibreglass to the point where the CPU starting coming out of the socket and crashed!
Pieces of crap and I really don't know why we put up with it.
At least now it seems easier to work out what bits to put in a machine, but I have to admit the range of Intel sockets confused me after I hadn't paid attention for a decade.
I tried to move things from specific to general to help explain the problem yet you've moved to overly specific to needlessly complicate the issue. Would you like to try again and discuss things sensibly this time or did you just see the name of a "foe" and decide to be annoying?
True. I watched the documentary "Detroitopia" last night, which although it didn't say much about GM it had a car show sequence where the comparison between the Chevy Volt and a Chinese electric car was brushed aside by some GM rep exactly the same way they said Honda etc didn't matter a few decades back. There's also the bit about new hires working for 50% less than the position used to pay but that may not have only been GM.
That excuse can be used to block any sort of negative reporting and you know it.
I'll send you a dollar and you can buy a fucking newspaper.
What is it with people pretending to be ignorant to push a point? It's very offensive.
Wow. Bringing all that baggage in is just asking for a comparison with another bunch that put a minority they didn't like into ghettos and then went in to kill them in the ghettos. Do you really want to keep things on such a level?
Remember it's not "Israel" that is doing this, just the bunch of fascists currently running it that would have their grandparents recoil in horror. It's also not Daesh living in Gaza.
The real issue is people in power being utter pricks and exploiting a conflict for their own advancement. While advocating genocide no less.
By censoring speech.
It's businesses as usual just like trying to discredit journalists writing about Israel that report anything other than roses and sunshine.
Look up "war propaganda" kids. It's a tool greatly employed by these extremists of the sort that their grandparents had to flee from.
Fair enough for this case, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but there are plenty of situations where the corrupt bunch of extremists currently in charge of Israel do so.
One sided war propaganda from a bunch that very much resemble what the Jewish people had to flee from is the order of the day. If this keeps up Israel is going to be treated like South Africa was some years back.
GM got caught out doing something similar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
They were fined $11 million but probably saved a vast amount more than that by conducting that fraud.
If you look at things in terms of unfettered entirely amoral capitalism Volkswagen had a duty to their shareholders to carry out the same sort of fraud since the financial benefits looked as if they would vastly exceed the penalty for getting caught.
As for reputation - who remembers GM doing this? In a few years time will we still remember this current fraud and jokingly call them FalseVagen?
These frauds are going to keep on occurring unless there is some sort of incentive to convince the people involved to stop. We've seen in China how far these things can go with poison in milk to pass a regulatory test.
I do not understand that comment apart from a reference to a brand of card that hardly anyone ever buys any more due to onboard sound hardware being far better than those cards used to be when they were proclaiming how fantastic they were.
What's with the childish insult and a suggestion to investigate something I already know a lot about? Is it some sort of movie reference?
Please explain.
Fair enough, but where I am in Australia the Dell prices are significantly higher than that of the parts for a desktop system.
I use those cards on a bit over thirty dual screen (or up to six in two cases) workstations because they are not a nightmare on linux. Just download the driver from the website like all the MS Windows users do for everything instead of mucking about with the built in driver and you'll never have that nightmare again.
Does your calendar say 1996?
Then the retail price of the components came down again.
Ever wondered why ASUS seemed to come from nowhere but had a huge range of parts on day one? They were the ones building the decent Dell machines and were only missing distributors.
The "myth" situation was due to chips produced to handle a higher speed than they were tested at and sold as while items in the same batch were tested and sold for the higher speed. The "slower" chips were not rejected at the higher speed since they were never even tested for that speed. Thus things like a Pentium II 450MHz being sold at well under half price as a Celeron 300MHz - needing just the same heatsink as the expensive version to run solid as a rock at the same speed.
Fast forward to today and some people think that situation still exists.
However for a gaming PC the benefit of extra speed may be more important than the CPU doing weird stuff on rare occasions so most failures may not actually matter.
Good point but there really are not that many parts to obsess over since most stuff is on the motherboards now (who still buys extra sound cards?). If it's for gaming then it's probably not going to take much longer comparing video cards than comparing prebuilt systems.
It does give you the flexability where you can get something like that prebuilt system only in a big case with a huge fan so you don't have to worry about keeping it cool in summer. "Just like that one only with X as well" is what a lot of "research" will come down to.
From wikipedia (http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_nuclear_explosion):
For the knowledge of others to be useful some understanding on your part that you can link it to is required. You've just given an example of a failure in that respect and in using a metric for a purpose it was never intended for. That metric does not prove what you have written in any way.
Just accept the criticism at face value.
I'm not even going as far as you did in telling you what to do.
I'm just pointing out that others who know more than you do don't really need your very stupid suggestion and it's likely to annoy the shit out of people like me who are in no way experts so would not attempt to run down those who are - yet someone with less understanding than would be expected in the general population is having a go!