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Fake Bomb Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Deaths, Is Still In Use

HughPickens.com writes: Murtaza Hussain writes at The Intercept that although it remains in use at sensitive security areas throughout the world, the ADE 651 is a complete fraud and the ADE-651's manufacturer sold it with the full knowledge that it was useless at detecting explosives. There are no batteries in the unit and it consists of a swivelling aerial mounted to a hinge on a hand-grip. The device contains nothing but the type of anti-theft tag used to prevent stealing in high street stores and critics have likened it to a glorified dowsing rod.

The story of how the ADE 651 came into use involves the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq. At the height of the conflict, as the new Iraqi government battled a wave of deadly car bombings, it purchased more than 7,000 ADE 651 units worth tens of millions of dollars in a desperate effort to stop the attacks. Not only did the units not help, the device actually heightened the bloodshed by creating "a false sense of security" that contributed to the deaths of hundreds of Iraqi civilians. A BBC investigation led to a subsequent export ban on the devices.

The device is once again back in the news as it was reportedly used for security screening at hotels in the Egyptian resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh where a Russian airliner that took off from that city's airport was recently destroyed in a likely bombing attack by the militant Islamic State group. Speaking to The Independent about the hotel screening, the U.K. Foreign Office stated it would "continue to raise concerns" over the use of the ADE 651. James McCormick, the man responsible for the manufacture and sale of the ADE 651, received a 10-year prison sentence for his part in manufacture of the devices, sold to Iraq for $40,000 each. An employee of McCormick who later became a whistleblower said that after becoming concerned and questioning McCormick about the device, McCormick told him the ADE 651 "does exactly what it's designed to. It makes money."

152 comments

  1. Security theater by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've all said it before and we've been right all along.

    1. Re:Security theater by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Informative

      War Is a Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler :)

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    2. Re:Security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War Is a Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler :)

      This doesn't really support the claim of "Security Theater". All it says is war is profitable for certain groups, and there are businesses that take advantage of it, including that some of the security systems are oversold on capability. It isn't saying security is an illusion (why the word "theater" is used in the phrase). It is just like in any other industry where the seller wants the product to be seen as great, whether it is or not, and where some sell snake oil because the buyers are desperate.

      It is a sad statistic, but the US Federal Government anticipates and budgets for about 10% of all expenditures to be lost to waste, fraud, and abuse. This includes military and homeland security spending.

    3. Re:Security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of a bad ass do you have to be to get the MOH twice?!? Did he single handedly kill Hitler?

    4. Re:Security theater by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Security is expensive. So maybe this device doesn't work, but at least it's inexpensive and saved someone some money. Stop thinking of the children and start thinking of the profits!

    5. Re:Security theater by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      War Is a Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler :)

      When on the battlefield Smedley Butler was among the bravest and greatest warriors the US has produced.

      When engaging in politics Smedley Butler partook of crank fringe politics, threw in with Communists, and tried to delay the US entry into WW2.

      I would find his views about assaulting a fortress to be highly interesting, and his views about governing to be nonsense.

      It's sad to see you recommending him.

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    6. Re:Security theater by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Smedley served in world war I, and that war really *was* a racket. It was everything wrong with 'war' in concept and practice. Empires colliding fighting over which shitty monarchy gets to rule which shitty land. It was poor against poor whilst the rich raked in the rewards.

      So you can probably forgive him if he treated the battle cry of yet another global conflict with a degree of suspicion.

      I have no idea if any of the "Business plot" stuff is true. There was definately *some sort* of funny business going on but maybe it was exagurated, but he's not wrong about war. Even WW-II, the one where pretty much everyone agrees the nazis and the empire of japan needed to be smashed (And they did) was ultimately just a mass grave for the poor, even though in the balance it was better that it was fought than it wasn't.

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    7. Re:Security theater by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      It was the The Banana Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Lots of nice US backed occupations, police actions, and interventions to ensure US profits flowed for a select few.

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    8. Re:Security theater by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      In Smedley Butlers time, this guy would have been called a "shoddy millionaire" A term which comes from the American Civil War and usually refers to someone selling shoddy items such as cardboard boots or recycled garments at an exorbitant price.

    9. Re:Security theater by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      WW2. It had nothing to do with the "Banana Wars" and Butler worked to delay the US entry. It could have spelled disaster for the Western world.

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    10. Re:Security theater by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      It had *everything* to do with the Banana Wars. We're talking about what mattered to *Smedley*, not your opinion of him, nearly a century later.

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    11. Re:Security theater by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      It was poor against poor whilst the rich raked in the rewards.

      I think you have probably gotten hold of some defective history there. WW1 was a disaster for the old order in Europe. The privileged were tallied on the butcher's bill just as the poor.

      The real Eton Rifles: the heroism of public school boys in the First World War

      Public school alumni suffered disproportionately heavy losses during the Great War. Whereas some 11 per cent of all those who served in the war died as a direct result of the fighting, the figure for public school boys was over 18 per cent. Those who left school between 1908 and 1915 died at even higher rates, serving on the front line as junior officers or as pilots in the Royal Flying Corps. The losses sustained by the upper and middle classes were heavy. Lord Salisbury, who was prime minister until 1902, was not untypical in losing five of his ten grandsons. Whatever else, the products of public schools were not shirkers. The vast majority could not have been more different to Captain Blackadder.

      Heavy war debt, significant losses to manpower, ruined economies, .... WW1 was no great bounty to the nations that fought it.

      The Communists opposed war against Germany while the Soviet Union was friends with them after having singed a non-aggression pact, invaded and split Poland's territory, and committed the Katyn massacre.

      In WW2 it wasn't just the poor that got killed.

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    12. Re:Security theater by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      World War 2 had nothing to do with the "Banana Wars". Butler's views on entering WW2 were mistaken. His political views marked him as a crank.

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    13. Re:Security theater by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And given the information they had at the time, on how Stalin had purged millions and killed millions more with the Holodomor? He had every reason to not want us involved. Lets be frank, there were NO good choices between Hitler and Stalin, BOTH were about as evil and vicious as you could get, and even former president Hoover recommended we stay out and let them destroy each other and then we could attack the weakened "victor" and liberate Europe which considering the Iron Curtain and the amount of lives and money wasted during the cold war? Probably would have been a wise choice.

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    14. Re:Security theater by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Letting all of your potential allies be destroyed before you lift a finger is a bad strategy if you actually want to have allies for the fight. If the US wouldn't have gone to war while Britain was still in it things would have been very dark indeed. In that case it would be unlikely that the US would liberate Europe itself from the continental US. Europe's future would be slavery under the Soviet Union, Germany, or Italy. That wouldn't bode well for the US.

      As directed by Moscow, Communists in the US and Europe opposed war to to aid that other "fine bunch of socialists" running Germany. That changed once the Soviet Union was invaded.

      Using the power of the state to commit mass slaughter of civilians whether by violence or starvation is a very different thing than open warfare against a peer state.

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    15. Re:Security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His views were correct. It was still empires colliding. Or was the soviet union any less evil. How many dead Ukrainians and Russians at Stalin's hands. Note, His daughter is living in US somehow.

      Nice name-calling propaganda though. ;)

    16. Re:Security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, if you were there wouldn't be hundreds of deaths. This looks like incompetence.

    17. Re:Security theater by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm not positive but I think war profiteering is supposed to be illegal. It doesn't appear to be prosecuted in modern times, however. We've got a war on *everything* except stupidity (but I think there's a war on illiteracy). With that in mind, I'm now thinking there are a number of business executives who could do well by serving a little prison time. We should let out some non-violent drug offenders to make room.

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    18. Re: Security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how close they were to the bomb.
      As well as evidence that the Japanese had it in experimental form.
      (They set it off. It just wasn't in a form to drop yet. )
      How much worse things could have been.
      Also add in that of Europe had not been saved.
      Would England have been saved?
      If England had Not been saved, how much harder D-day would have been to accomplish. Plus how long would it have been delayed.
      Considering it would have been launched from north America.

      Plus it would not have taken long to be a big problem.
      Germany was already hounding the islands in the north Atlantic.
      If England had fallen. The front would have been in Iceland. With Canada the only thing holding it back.
      As fierce as we can be.
      How long do you thing Canada would have held Germany back from the U.S.?

      So if the U.S. Has not stepped in. Let Europe fall.
      How long till it was a land war a few hundred miles from New York?

  2. I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Some scumbags were selling it back in the 90's, calling it "the tracker" and claiming that it could detect drugs.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert but I would expect some kind of tube to collect organic molecules. Do drugs give off electromagnetic waves?

    2. Re:I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re: I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember some bs voodoo "explanation" of this device that pretty much claimed exactly that, that molecules of different substances all had their own unique em signature. But then, you'd think there would be circuitry and stuff to allow it to actually perform some function.

    4. Re: I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that molecules of different substances all had their own unique em signature.

      Uh, they do.. In the mid-IR, Visible and IR spectra, and also in the fluorescent spectra in the same range. Unfortunately that all requires you to have direct line of sight with the drugs in question, and more usually precise controls on the illuminant and level of light gathered from the sample.

      Also NMR gives rise to unique EM emissions in the VHF and UHF spectrum, but this requires huge and very expensive cryogenic NMR machines, some of the largest and most expensive equipment you might see in a chemistry lab (if it's very well funded).

    5. Re: I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by gsslay · · Score: 1

      So the detector could detect drugs if they were placed directly in its line of sight where they could be seen. This is not the usual place drugs are hidden.

      Far better to detect the drugs' aura , which is an evil kind of muddy purple and extends through solid objects. This is done through some kind of magic that you wouldn't understand if you're not in touch with your inner spirit, wooo, woooo, wooo,

    6. Re: I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far better to detect the drugs' aura , which is an evil kind of muddy purple and extends through solid objects. This is done through some kind of magic that you wouldn't understand if you're not in touch with your inner spirit, wooo, woooo, wooo,

      I had some acid like that in the 1990s too!

    7. Re: I remember that bullshit dowsing rod. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do it sounds like this thing was best used to just bash on things.
      Till drugs or explosives Popped out into sight where they could be "detected"...

  3. At least it only cost tens of millions of dollars by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least they only got ripped off a few tens of millions of dollars with those fake scanners -- the USA got ripped off of $160M for body scanners that don't work

  4. Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by easyTree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whereby McCormick gets to detect which one out of six bombs is not a bomb and is then forced to detonate it.

    As an aside, really!?, a ten year sentence? Either this whole story is total bullshit or someone has no concept of proportionality - doesn't taking the name of a media-multinational in vain result a longer sentence than this?

    1. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by fredgiblet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well it's not like he was doing something truly heinous like dealing weed...

    2. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd give him a choice - ten identical doors. He gets to use an unmodified ADE651 to pick which one to open. Nine out of ten have real (big) bombs mounted under the door frame. The remaining one has nothing. We give him an option at sentencing - he can either do life in prison, or pick a door and possibly go free. If his device works, that shouldn't be an issue at all.

      Should make great pay-per-view.

    3. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by roca · · Score: 1

      Simpler approach: drop him in the middle of a minefield with his device, and wish him luck.

    4. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by aduxorth · · Score: 1

      Now we're talking. I was trying to come up with a better punishment than just 10 years, where he probably still gets to keep all the profit he made.

    5. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The remaining one has nothing.

      Not even a floor, just the top of a mine shaft.
      However revenge fantasies are stupid and capital punishment requires too much messing about to avoid killing off the wrong people by mistake. Just try the fucker for his crimes and let him rot in jail - oh wait - already done - case closed.

    6. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by Shimbo · · Score: 2

      As an aside, really!?, a ten year sentence?

      10 years is the maximum sentence for fraud in the UK.

    7. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Whereby McCormick gets to detect which one out of six bombs is not a bomb and is then forced to detonate it.

      As an aside, really!?, a ten year sentence? Either this whole story is total bullshit or someone has no concept of proportionality - doesn't taking the name of a media-multinational in vain result a longer sentence than this?

      Russian roulette would actually be safer as the weight of the bullet pulls the cylinder down on the spin.

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    8. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of wondering what his strategy was.

      1. Produce fake bomb detectors
      2. Make lots of money for a while
      3. Lose the money, go to prison
      4. ???

      Did he seriously think he could get away with selling fake bomb detectors?

    9. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      Did he seriously think he could get away with selling fake bomb detectors?

      Considering that, outside of certain specific geographical regions, the actual incidence of bombs is vanishingly small: yes, I expect he did seriously think he could get away with selling fake bomb detectors. Same as you can get away with selling cootie detectors, unicorn detectors, or homeopathic medicine.

      His mistake was trying to expand into a market where bombs actually do exist. And not skipping town immediately after. That's really the most important part of a good scam: recognizing when the gig is blown and vanishing before the police show up.

    10. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      As an aside, really!?, a ten year sentence?

      10 years is the maximum sentence for fraud in the UK.

      Yes, but this is more like manslaughter.

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    11. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by hufter · · Score: 1

      Whoever bought that crap should go to prison too. Quite embarrassing for US military to go for this kind of hoax.
      Holy shit - these idiots have nuclear weapons and shit!

    12. Re: Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Surely it can't have been a mistake - gullibility has its limits.

    13. Re: Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by easyTree · · Score: 1

      "I'll buy that for a dollar"

    14. Re:Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      Yes? It's hardly the first time people have gotten away with selling fake shit, not even the first time they've gotten away with selling fake things to the government.

    15. Re: Time for a game of russian roulette ^ 2 by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      For once, the US military weren't directly involved. It was people in the Iraqi military, with the usual 3rd world mixture of corruption, ignorance and callousness.
      "Buy these for $10m and I'll give you $2m".
      "Nice to do business with you".

      The sad thing is that these devices were widely used because the last thing the poor fucker wielding one of these at a checkpoint wants is a device which actually detects bombs.

      It is beyond sad that these devices are still in use. McCormick really should be chopped into little pieces, slowly, though I guess the most we can hope for is for him to be pilloried and spat on on the street.

  5. Re:Psuedoscience is for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pseudo..

    You don't put much effort into anything do you?

  6. Yep by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    We have something similar at work, it's called McAf~` &j # ' NO CARRIER

    1. Re:Yep by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      If you're still using crappy dial-up, you've got bigger problems than McAf~/. What a weird hostname anyway.

    2. Re:Yep by PPH · · Score: 1

      You don't have the McAfee removal instructions yet? (NSFW)

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  7. The best story of the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It still makes me laugh years later.

  8. What does this guy deserve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a staunch opponent to the death penalty. And that's truly the only positive thing I can say regarding that McCormick guy...

  9. 10 years is not enough by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A fraud which has contributed to the deaths of tens of thousands of people should be punished with way more than 10 years.

    1. Re:10 years is not enough by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      A fraud which has contributed to the deaths of tens of thousands of people should be punished with way more than 10 years.

      Using him as a one time mine detector?

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    2. Re:10 years is not enough by Radish03 · · Score: 1

      Bonus points of a sizable chunk lands and sets off a second mine...

    3. Re:10 years is not enough by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      A fraud which has contributed to the deaths of tens of thousands of people should be punished with way more than 10 years.

      Manslaughter for each person killed due to the fraud sounds about right.

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    4. Re:10 years is not enough by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Sadly mines aren't designed to gib you into chunks, which would be merciful. They're designed to maim you, because a dead soldier just needs a bodybag, but an injured soldier consumes medical resources and food, occupies personnel, and reduces morale by sitting around being all maimed.

    5. Re:10 years is not enough by Unordained · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What about the people who procured these units and didn't test them, either before the sale, or before deploying them? Complete lack of due diligence. Are they not liable too?

  10. 10 years??? by khelms · · Score: 1

    Why wasn't this guy tried for multiple murders and then executed?

    1. Re:10 years??? by maugle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He should be tried and convicted for several hundred counts of manslaughter, at the very least, but I bet you could convincingly argue for a couple counts of "aiding a terrorist organization" as well, and then jump from there to "treason by aiding the enemy during a time of war".

    2. Re:10 years??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wasn't this guy tried for multiple murders and then executed?

      Uh, we don't murder people for murder in Britain these days. I agree though he should have been charged with negligent homicide and got life imprisonment.

    3. Re:10 years??? by wbr1 · · Score: 2

      And when you kill a man, you're a murderer Kill many, and you're a conqueror Kill them all ... Ooh ... Oh you're a God!

      -Dave Mustaine, Megadeth

      http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics...

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    4. Re:10 years??? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... Ooh ...

      Megadeth

      I probably imagined that a bit camper than it actually is.

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    5. Re:10 years??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all, actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgVvsfXl9E0

    6. Re:10 years??? by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Excellent job posting the original version. The later remasters are junk, Dave ruined the vocals rerecording, they sound like trash, not thrash.

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  11. Crime doesn't pay? LOLOLOLOL by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    It's clear as can be that I'm in the wrong business.

    Here I've been working and making an honest living all these years when I could have cobbled some 100% bullshit gadget together and sold enough of them to retire to my own tropical island and live in luxury for the rest of my life.

    Who says "crime doesn't pay"? Seems like it pays pretty damn well to me....

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    1. Re:Crime doesn't pay? LOLOLOLOL by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You don't see the blowjobs on high ranking suits this bastard had to perform to get the contract.

      The basic problem is deliberately broken contracting processes. He thought he could get away with this. Let him go, if he snitches out every crooked politician and purchasing officer. Then let him go, to the families of those that died with his gadget in their hands.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Crime doesn't pay? LOLOLOLOL by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Here I've been working and making an honest living all these years when I could have cobbled some 100% bullshit gadget together and sold enough of them to retire to my own tropical island and live in luxury for the rest of my life.

      Apart from the bit where you spend 10 years in jail and have the police "pursue your wealth" under the Proceeds of Crime act.

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    3. Re:Crime doesn't pay? LOLOLOLOL by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Apart from the bit where you spend 10 years in jail and have the police "pursue your wealth" under the Proceeds of Crime act.

      Except that he'll probably be out in 2 to 4 years at the most, and unless he's a complete dolt he's put his money where it can't be found or seized. It's not that hard to do with a little preparation.

      Hell, for ten million dollars I'd happily serve a few years in prison knowing that I'd have a payday like that waiting for me when I got out. He'll probably do his time in some lame-ass minimum security facility, but even if he's in a Supermax prison he'll still come out ahead.

      The moral of the story is that "if done properly, crime pays". See "Bank of America", "Bear Sterns", and "Lehman Brothers" for further proof. Those fuckers made hundreds of millions and not one of them spent a single night in jail.

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  12. Re:Psuedoscience is for cows. by Radish03 · · Score: 2

    GP is clearly referring to the science of pseudo-suede, known colloquially by the portmanteau psuede.

  13. Un. Be. Effing. Lievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cases like this are why I refuse to disavow the death penalty.

    If someone coldly and systematically plans an action which they know for a fact will result in large numbers of innocent people dying for the purpose of fraud? Yes, such a person deserves to die. They have committed a crime beyond repayment, and in doing do proven that they are a sociopathic monster who cannot be fixed/rehabilitated and let to walk among civilized human beings.

    Meanwhile, there's plenty places in the US where (if you and your victim are the right skin colors) you'll get the death penalty if you kill a single person in a fit of anger.

    1. Re:Un. Be. Effing. Lievable. by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      Nah, it just proves that they're a savvy businessman who need a raise and a corner office.

    2. Re:Un. Be. Effing. Lievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it just proves that they're a savvy businessman who need a raise and a corner office.

      As long as the corner "office" is shared with a guy named Bubba in an exclusive gated community.

    3. Re:Un. Be. Effing. Lievable. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Businesses sell BS every day. Atomic grade, deadly bullshit is common. Visit a 'natural health' store, anywhere.

      But they convince themselves and don't go on record: 'of course [InsertBSproduct] is bullshit'.

      This guy thought he could get away with it. Look at his history. I bet you he's done similar before, but his connections kept him in tea and crumpets.

      Look at who this guy knew, the ones trying to look inconspicuous and hoping the sacrifice will be sufficient. I smell an upper class twit conspiracy. Should unravel with a few swift kicks. Going to have to give him something to get it unrolling.

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    4. Re:Un. Be. Effing. Lievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it just proves that they're a savvy businessman who need a raise and a corner office.

      As long as the corner "office" is shared with a guy named Bubba in an exclusive gated community.

      I forget who said it but, the basic idea is that Bubba's job is to make his (_*_) into (_O_)

  14. Anybody test it on Ahmed's clock? by sideslash · · Score: 1

    Seems like a "fake bomb" detector could be a valuable thing as long as it's put to the right use.

    1. Re:Anybody test it on Ahmed's clock? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Like detecting fake bombs?

    2. Re:Anybody test it on Ahmed's clock? by lucm · · Score: 1

      It seems Ahmed's clock is even more lucrative than those fake detectors.

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    3. Re:Anybody test it on Ahmed's clock? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      How about wrapping around someone's arm and saying it can find out if they are telling the truth? Oh wait - already done - by a comic book writer no less and endorsed by J. Edgar Hoover the king of kickbacks.

  15. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    what, no jack-worthy nude body pictures the TSA could pass around?

  16. Re: Psuedoscience is for cows. by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

    E before U, except, you know... ~*woo*~

  17. Capitalism in action by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

    He needs a 100 million contract from Lockheed and then he can get them working units.

  18. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by Solandri · · Score: 1

    The body scanners worked just fine. They made money for the people who made campaign contributions to the politicians who won and authorized their purchase.

  19. I'm angry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm angry, but not sure who I'm more angry with:

    1. This McCormick fellow, who knowingly sold a product that does fuck-all to desperate and gullible Government officials, or
    2. The desperate and gullible Government officials who bought these devices in large quantities without actually doing some trials or investigate first to see if they weren't being scammed. Surely everyone knows by now that every conflict is a business opportunity, and as such attracts all types

    Oh, and

    3. The desperate and gullible Government officials who STILL buy this fucking device despite the wide amount of information about their ineffectiveness and the conviction of the instigator of this crap. Fuck people are incredibly dumb sometimes.

    1. Re:I'm angry by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse dumb with corrupt.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:I'm angry by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Some of the Gov officials did test it, and I seem to recall that McCormick's excuse for any bad results was always along the lines of operator error, inadequate training and, get this, the operator had to believe the device would work, otherwise it would not work.

      It was standard pseudo-science bullshit. If it doesn't work, it's not the fault of the pseudo-science, it's because of those involved giving off bad vibes.

  20. Meanwhile by Dereck1701 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meanwhile, in the United States our own "glorified dowsing rods" the TSA continues to rake in somewhere around $8 Billion dollars a year in direct costs alone (likely tens of billions when you factor in economic losses, increased road deaths and secondary costs) and is 95% ineffective at finding lighters and knives. And chances are no one responsible for that debacle is ever going to see a fine let alone a prison sentence.

    1. Re:Meanwhile by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile, in the United States our own "glorified dowsing rods" the TSA continues to rake in somewhere around $8 Billion dollars a year in direct costs alone (likely tens of billions when you factor in economic losses, increased road deaths and secondary costs) and is 95% ineffective at finding lighters and knives. And chances are no one responsible for that debacle is ever going to see a fine let alone a prison sentence.

      The difference here being that the actual risk in the US is negligible whereas the risk where these bomb dowsers are being used is substantial.

      If you lived somewhere that there were real chances of a bomb being used you would want something that worked as well as possible, even if it was imperfect.

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  21. It works by PPH · · Score: 1

    You must be holding it wrong.

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    1. Re:It works by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You must be holding it wrong.

      He should have sold it as an iPhone app, then he'd have had plausible deniability.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  22. Cost =/= Worth by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    At the height of the conflict, as the new Iraqi government battled a wave of deadly car bombings, it purchased more than 7,000 ADE 651 units worth tens of millions of dollars

    It cost tens of millions of dollars. It is worth tens of dollars as scrap. Sometimes, you don't get what you pay for.

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  23. Sell me a fart detector and I will fart on it. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    Why oh why are so many humans so stupid?

    With any gear, even from a reputable supplier, you need to regularly test and calibrate it. If it fails you don't keep using it!

  24. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You probably blame religion for stuff like the Paris bombings or the Inquisition, but really it's bullshit. It's all about people, not religion.

    Look at the brave old USSR, which was officially godless and atheist, and see how many millions died in prison camps or politically-driven mass murders. Same with Cambodia.

    I know it's comforting to have something to blame for all the problems in the world, but that's basically the same as joining a religion because its dogma is a comforting way to see the world. Truth is, people have killed, stolen and raped each others forever, it has nothing to do with religion or politics, it's just how people are.

    So we've heard it all about religion. Religions are stupid, religious books are fables, god is a security blanket blablabla. Can we please move beyond this? It feels as dated as SCO bashing.

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    lucm, indeed.
  25. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by lucm · · Score: 1

    Yes. Walls and checkpoints do work. Remember how it was basically a daily thing to hear about a bus or market bombing in Israel 10, 20 years ago? Then they built that electronic wall and those checkpoints, and while bleeding heart liberals tear their shirts open in outrage over the unpleasantness experienced by Palestinians, the bus and market bombings have stopped. The fuckers had to go in the next country, hiding behind women and children to throw rockets at Israel, and that problem more or less got solved too. Now apparently they started attacking people with knives.

    France and other countries will learn. People who are willing to blow themselves up should not be allowed with the civilized people, and for that there's nothing like walls and checkpoints. It makes it more difficult for idiots to cause damage.

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    lucm, indeed.
  26. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by hawguy · · Score: 1

    The body scanners worked just fine. They made money for the people who made campaign contributions to the politicians who won and authorized their purchase.

    Hey no fair, you took that quote from the article:

    McCormick told him the ADE 651 "does exactly what it's designed to. It makes money."

  27. Ineffective but very visable by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    Preventing all terrorist attacks is impossible. The most important thing for governments is to keep the public calm by giving the impression of security. A afraid and panicked populace is a bigger threat to those in power than the terrorists themselves. The false sense of security, ineffective but very visible security measures provide is in fact exactly what they want. Of course they could have saved millions of dollars by making consoles with blinking lights themselves.

  28. Nope, not American. You fail - again by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Nope, he's not American. You, however, have kept up your perfect record of being entirely ignorant of the facts every time you post your Leninist garbage.

    1. Re:Nope, not American. You fail - again by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Ohhh ... I hurt your delicate ego with facts? My bad ;-)

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  29. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by zr · · Score: 0

    USSR exterminated all religions but one, communism-leninism. Same with Cambodia.

    Same deal as most other religions, it demanded that people accepted its teachings on insufficient or absent evidence.

  30. Who got the kickbacks? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    That is the key thing here. There are almost certainly kickbacks to various local officials that pushed the purchase through. Follow the money, send them to jail.

    I believe there were some well greased palms in Iraq.

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    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
  31. Its a matter of luck, bad and good. by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What kind of a bad ass do you have to be to get the MOH twice?!? Did he single handedly kill Hitler?

    Its a matter of luck, bad and good. Bad luck to be in a situation where the award of a Medal of Honor is appropriate. This happens far more often than such awards suggest. Good luck in the sense that two people witnessed your actions, and that they survived. Many MOH recipients accept the award in memory of those whose actions were as brave or braver than theirs but were never reported or properly witnessed.

    There are far more heroes that are unknown rather than known.

  32. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    France and other countries will learn

    France has far more experience of terrorism than the USA. You may have heard of a country called Algeria. You may have heard of another called Lebanon. You may have heard of a few things that happened in Europe in the 1960s and 1970s. You haven't? Why are you giving advice then?

  33. Injustice by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

    You can be imprisoned for life for swindling people out of money, but contributing to the murder of thousands of people through fraud is only 10 years? The guy should have been given 3 boxes and an ADE 651. If he detects the bomb, he gets to live.

  34. It serves its purpose by jeti · · Score: 1

    If the police wants to search something, the device can provide a reasonable suspicion. It's a circumvention device for civil rights. Much like drug sniffing dogs are reportedly misused.

  35. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by cbhacking · · Score: 1

    How is the parent not yet modded Troll?

    A) Anybody who wants to study the science behind those things can do so, and there is quite sufficient evidence (replicated continuously in labs all over the world) for the latter two (assuming you mean Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, and yes, speciation through evolutionary response to environmental pressure has been demonstrated in the lab). The effect of the first is still hotly (haha) debated, but the basic science behind it - humans emit literal tons of CO2, CO2 causes greenhouse effect, greenhouse effect warms the planet - are quite thoroughly understood.

    B) Can you find me anybody, anywhere, who was killed for not believing in any of the above three things? I'd call you a blithering idiot to your face, but I wouldn't have you killed even if I was dictator of the world and could get away with it. It bears no resemblance to the kind of fanaticism that leads to mass murder.

    The evidence is present and sufficient, and nobody is demanding you accept it. You might find yourself lacking opportunities to breed with anybody that has an IQ above room temperature, but such it the price of being vocally moronic.

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  36. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    One slight difference - the fact that those body scanners are crap didn't contribute to anyone's death.

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  37. That's why you need the new SCAM101 by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Fake Bomb Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Deaths, Is Still In Use

    Sounds like someone needs to buy a few of my fake bomb detector decectors.

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    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  38. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that faith can be used to manipulate people quite easily. At least when you're teaching science you're asking that people question everything.

  39. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by lucm · · Score: 1

    Why don't you publicly question the theory of evolution or global warming then? You'll either be labeled a creationist or be told that there's "overwhelming evidence", end of discussion. The whole "question everything" thing only applies to whatever is not covered by the dogma. Total hypocrisy, just like those christians who take charity seriously unless you're gay.

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  40. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by lucm · · Score: 1

    How is the parent not yet modded Troll?

    You might find yourself lacking opportunities to breed with anybody that has an IQ above room temperature, but such it the price of being vocally moronic.

    Given the level of discussion that is your contribution to this thread, I'll take your alleged evidence (which is, as usual, not presented but merely stipulated) with a bag of salt.

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    lucm, indeed.
  41. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    What unmitigated bullshit!

    Here...written in terms so simple even you should be able to grasp. Read and learn:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine....

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    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  42. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by lucm · · Score: 0

    Sorry, I can't make sense of your comment as a whole, it feels like the ramblings of an angry elderly person, but on the France vs USA I agree that there has been more terrorism in France. Maybe it's because France used to exploit people in various colonies, I don't know, but if they were to follow the examples of Israel or the USA they would have less incidents. You can't talk or social-work terrorism out of a country, you have to prevent it from entering and relentlessly chase it down when it finds a way in.

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    lucm, indeed.
  43. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by lucm · · Score: 1

    There's nothing to learn in that article. It's just one more global warming zealot who goes on a rant about people who disagree with his dogma, and he even does the usual: put them in the same basket as holocaust deniers.

    Oh wait: were you trying to provide an example of unmitigated bullshit? Because if that's the case, good one!

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    lucm, indeed.
  44. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try to keep your work at anything remotely related with academia or the news opposing those views.

    Darwin's theory as taught is wrong, because it says that everything is due to random mutation when random mutation has proven to be always bad. An intelligent person not brainwashed by Darwin would notice that children are not exact clones of neither their parents or each other, among other things because there's usually an even split of boys and girls. Then it would see that humans produce millions of spermatozoon with slightly different genetic code, and from that they would conclude that animals introduce variability in a more intelligent way, by means of parameters that can be adjusted per individual.

    According to darwinists, our bodies mutated slowly for millions of years one at a time, so that our genome could have parts that look exactly like viral code from previous infections, because that is the only possible explanation. They were planted there by "evolution" to toy with us.

    Evolutionists, believing that the only way species may change are through mutation by random chance that takes place during million of years, say amazingly stupid things such that certain species are living fossils or that certain species have made evolutionary jumps of millions of years in just a few decades, because they cannot understand that their theories are flawed, they are just reinterpreting conflicting data in the only way their narrow minds can understand.

    Evolution, when understood as the fact that when you introduce a factor that changes things, the starting point an end point of a system will usually be different, is something as evident that only philosophers will argue against it. When you talk about the "evolution of a disease", even the most belligerent creationist will understand the concept. Disagreements come when you use a complete wrong theory to explain it, and then tell everybody that yours is the only acceptable model, and then censor and punish everybody that points out flaws in your model.

    Biology needs an Einstein.

    People attacking religion forget one thing, the person who invented the whole field of genetics was a monk. And he did that research because christians believe in universal truth and thus value the pursue of knowledge that brings us closer to that truth. That is also why christians created universities. On the other hand, atheists nowadays are influenced by post-modernism and believe that truth can be replaced by people's (a.k.a. the leader's) opinion and by punishment of disidents. And this is why their societies have historically failed as catastrophically as they are failing now. That is also the reason why the "social sciences" they have made up are a total joke and their universities only serve to create perfect brainwashed inepts.

  45. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by zr · · Score: 1

    > Biology needs an Einstein.

    that may be true, but, unlike religion, science will seek out a better theory and adopt it as soon as it proves out to be a better explanation of observed evidence.

    if that happens with theory of evolution, fine. there's no scientist who will resist that kind of revision. in fact it has happened many many times.

    > According to darwinists, our bodies mutated slowly for millions of years one at a time, so that our genome could have parts that look exactly like viral code from previous infections, because that is the only possible explanation. They were planted there by "evolution" to toy with us.

    darwin's theory of evolution says nothing of this kind.

    here's what it does say (exactly this and nothing more):

    given any system that provides for:

    - mutation
    - heredity
    - selection

    there will be evolution.

    and, lastly, you don't "believe" in evolution, or any theories of science for that matter. thats what separates science from religion, belief is neither required nor desired.

  46. The real problem by louic · · Score: 1

    The real problem is that apparently no scientists were involved in the decision to purchase these things.

    1. Re:The real problem by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that apparently no scientists were involved in the decision to purchase these things.

      I imagine some palm-greasing of tame experts went on too. There surely must have been some sort of validation process, however sketchy?

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  47. He never should have been charged by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    He sold exactly what the Iraqis wanted.

    The corrupt police wanted to look like they were working but they sure as hell didn't want to actually catch any bombers. If the bomb detectors actually worked then the police officer would have a suicide bomber in front of him who might detonate the bomb at the police check point instead of some crowded market.

    If the UK is going to start jailing people for fulfilling useless government contracts then they are going to have to start building more jails.

  48. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

    You don't know that.

  49. It's not fake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It detects when Thetans' engrams are out of alignment due to fear, and that's what happens whenever they're near bombs. Geez, haven't any of you so-called "techie" guys ever used an e-meter?

    1. Re:It's not fake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It detects when Thetans' engrams are out of alignment due to fear, and that's what happens whenever they're near bombs. Geez, haven't any of you so-called "techie" guys ever used an e-meter?

      Those dirty Thetans know how to move the knob that moves the needle on the e-meter when nobody is looking too.. If you are looking they are not there.. ever..

  50. Facepalm by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    I was out camping with a larger group. You know, all those friends of friends who say the darndest things. As topics bounced around I was reminded of this device and mentioned it, saying "it was basically an explosive finding dowsing rod" and one of the people pipes up
    "Well nothing wrong with that then, dowsing rods work just fine"

    What do you even say?

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    "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
  51. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You probably blame religion for stuff like the Paris bombings or the Inquisition, but really it's bullshit. It's all about people, not religion.

    Look at the brave old USSR, which was officially godless and atheist, and see how many millions died in prison camps or politically-driven mass murders. Same with Cambodia.

    I know it's comforting to have something to blame for all the problems in the world, but that's basically the same as joining a religion because its dogma is a comforting way to see the world. Truth is, people have killed, stolen and raped each others forever, it has nothing to do with religion or politics, it's just how people are.

    So we've heard it all about religion. Religions are stupid, religious books are fables, god is a security blanket blablabla. Can we please move beyond this? It feels as dated as SCO bashing.

    Depends, are you an atheist yet?

  52. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing to learn in that article. It's just one more global warming zealot who goes on a rant about people who disagree with his dogma, and he even does the usual: put them in the same basket as holocaust deniers.

    Oh wait: were you trying to provide an example of unmitigated bullshit? Because if that's the case, good one!

    See this is why it is not worth the time to present evidence to idiots like yourself.. because you wouldn't know what to do with said evidence if it were dropped in your lap due to your scorching case of confirmation bias and Dunning Kruger effect.

  53. Re: Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Deat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk of hot air. There are reports of humans dying because of the lack of sustainable, constant power. Look for deaths during storms, and check those infirmed patients, hat had their power cut for some reason. Why is it that in hot/cold weather that civilized societies require that indigent households have power and gas available? You want to cut co2, start with yourself first. Breath less. See what happens. Notate it. Eat less, everything you are either ingests or releases co2. Travel less, every step you take expends co2. Please yourself from the modern society communications, that depends on energy, all of our current stable energy is created by co2. The only stable, expandable energy is of carbon. It's moveable, portable, dependable. Solar, wind? Have to be stored, and not dependable, especially in the northern and southern climates. When the sun isn't as powerful, and the wind don't blow fast enough. Nuke? Believe it or not, needs a constant load, its not a fast expander. And takes years to develop. Slow growth.
    But start with yourself first. Do not force the poor to do it first. Be the example. Lead the way.

  54. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by cduffy · · Score: 1

    "Finds its way in"? You may have noticed that the folks behind the French attack were born there.

    As a society, France isn't doing a very good job of helping immigrants feel like Frenchman -- even two or three generations out. Meaning you get folks who feel like second-class citizens, easy to radicalize and recruit.

    And, for that matter, the US has no small problem with homegrown terrorism either. Hello, Oklahoma City bombing. Hello, burning churches. Looking at terrorism as a problem that comes from outside is understating the issue.

  55. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Yes, in much the same sense that I don't know whether the Sun came up on the morning of 19th February, 1862.

    Still, if you know of a terrorist plot that was foiled by a TSA body scanner...

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  56. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Hang on, no, what I mean is:

    If you know of a terrorist plot that wasn't foiled by a TSA body scanner when it should have been...

    I think.

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  57. Re: At least it only cost tens of millions of doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Statistically I believe the nudie scanners will kill more than the terrorists. The good news is TSA employees will be the most exposed.

  58. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Yes, in much the same sense that I don't know whether the Sun came up on the morning of 19th February, 1862.

    Still, if you know of a terrorist plot that was foiled by a TSA body scanner...

    Theres been some concern that the backscatter X-Ray scanners (which were rushed into service with little testing or oversight, and which are no longer used) caused more radioactive damage to the skin than expected, and possibly exposed workers to higher than expected X-ray doses. But the additional cancer risk was so slight that it could take years to show up. But it's *possible* that some of the machines did lead to premature deaths.

  59. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

    I don't know, how much excess radiation was absorbed by those bodies?

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  60. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by zr · · Score: 1

    here's the thing. evidence doesn't need someone's approval. you needn't "present it to someone".

    facts, evidence, reproducible experiment are not up for debate, they're there, full stop.

    if evidence is legit, legit scientists _will_ notice.

  61. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by lucm · · Score: 1

    See this is why it is not worth the time to present evidence to idiots like yourself.. because you wouldn't know what to do with said evidence if it were dropped in your lap due to your scorching case of confirmation bias and Dunning Kruger effect.

    Again no evidence, just posturing and figure skating to hide the fact that you have no fucking clue if such "evidence" actually exists or not, you just gobbled up the dogma and perpetuate the cycle of blissful obedience.

    People like you think that you are like Copernicus, bravely facing the hordes of idiots, but really in that story you're more like the Church who couldn't tolerate people arguing with the dogma and sent the heretic to jail..

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  62. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    Truth is, people have killed, stolen and raped each others forever, it has nothing to do with religion or politics, it's just how people are.

    No it's not.

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -- Steven Weinberg

  63. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by lucm · · Score: 1

    And what makes bad people do good things, if not religion? Mother Teresa comes to mind.

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  64. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I can't make sense of your comment as a whole

    Kind of my point. If you knew enough to understand you wouldn't have written "France and other countries will learn", but you've clearly not bothered to pay much attention to the issue you are commenting on and thus what is considered normal general knowledge seems mysterious.

  65. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by lucm · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I can't make sense of your comment as a whole

    Kind of my point. If you knew enough to understand you wouldn't have written "France and other countries will learn", but you've clearly not bothered to pay much attention to the issue you are commenting on and thus what is considered normal general knowledge seems mysterious.

    No, what is mysterious is the way you put words and sentences together but as a whole they mean nothing. Are you Estonian or something like that? I've heard this kind of babbling from an Estonian janitor at work. The guy is very friendly but omg the way he speaks reminds me of that robot lady that drives airships from her bath in BSG.

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  66. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Maybe I should have point bullet points in front of every sentence to help you comprehend that it was in point form, but I had no idea you would be so lazy.
    To put things in simple English since you seem to have trouble with it, there are plenty of subject matter experts in France that do not need advice from someone like you that has apparently been living under a rock and had no idea of the very long list of incidents that have occurred there. I'm not French but I do not ignore international affairs to such a breathtakingly insular level.

    Do you get the idea now about how your initial post insulted just about everyone? It's the sort of thing people will point at as an example of how stupid Americans are so you are really letting the side down.

  67. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by lucm · · Score: 1

    Do you get the idea now about how your initial post insulted just about everyone?

    And you know that how? Did you organize a poll? Made phone calls? Went door to door with a clipboard? Or are you just so full of yourself that you can't help but project your own feelings on "everyone"?

    I don't know what led you to get your panties in a bunch like that, and to be honest I can't say I really care, but really take a chill pill dude.

    As for the whole "France has more experience in terrorism", a simple Wikipedia search proves you wrong. Compare the ranks of the USA and France on this simple scale:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Even Norway has a higher Global Terrorism Index score than France.

    Maybe next time you could look things up before calling other people stupid.

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  68. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Norway? If you had a clue you'd know it's due to a single incident that skewed the number so would never have brought that flawed metric up.
    Your comments about Israel's efforts to keep the pot from boiling over instead of solving anything in a local situation were another thing to demonstrate how worthless your advice is.

    Why do people get off on telling others what to do when they know less than what the average person on the street does?

  69. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by lucm · · Score: 1

    Why do people get off on telling others what to do when they know less than what the average person on the street does?

    Maybe the first step to get an answer to that question would be for you to explain why you, personally, are doing it?

    You call people stupid, you claim to know what "everyone" thinks, and also you claim to know more about terrorism than Wikipedia. Feel free to keep piling up bitter comments and outrageous claims, but I think the extent of what you can contribute to this debate has been fully explored.

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  70. Re: At least it only cost tens of millions of dol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now now.
    Let's not blame the poor tsa employs that are forced to sexually molest grandmother's and small children.
    After all they are just following orders.

  71. "It does what it's meant to. It makes money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does what it's meant to.
    So this guy Knowing sells something for 40 grand a pop. That does nothing, and claims it saves lives?

    Why has he not had an accident in jail yet?
    Or was he allowed to keep all the money he made off people dieing?

    It's easy to see that a huge part of war is for certain people to make money.

    But what would happen if someone tried to sell the air force, air to air missiles.
    That were just plastic shells. When launched just fell off the plane.
    And maybe played a sound track for that pilot that said
    "Boom, splash one mig"
    But nothing else.

    How long would that go on?

  72. Re:At least it only cost tens of millions of dolla by vandamme · · Score: 1

    I actually read the article, and the conclusion was that they would work if the TSA employees were better trained and motivated. The scanners work about as well as they could, given the difficulty of the threat.

  73. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by dbIII · · Score: 1
    Maybe the first step would be people with less of a clue than average putting up idiotic ideas as solutions.
    The Israeli situation is both very different and nobody is pretending it is anything other than managing the risk.

    and also you claim to know more about terrorism than Wikipedia

    I haven't put forward anything other than pointing you towards massive holes in your understanding of the issue - so sorry - you are not fooling anyone by trying to offload your faults onto me. Maybe you should start with wikipedia and keep going before telling people what to do instead of insulting half the fucking world in your ignorance.

  74. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    And another thing - why should the country that fruitlessly warned the US Marines to watch out for Hezbolla truck bombs in Beirut take advice from you? Maybe unlike you they have been thinking of the problems and dealing with some of them for many years. I'll give you time to look up what I've written about since you probably don't even know about that major incident because it happened outside California.

  75. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    As for the whole "France has more experience in terrorism", a simple Wikipedia search proves you wrong

    For the knowledge of others to be useful some understanding on your part that you can link it to is required. You've just given an example of a failure in that respect and in using a metric for a purpose it was never intended for. That metric does not prove what you have written in any way.

    Just accept the criticism at face value.
    I'm not even going as far as you did in telling you what to do.

    I'm just pointing out that others who know more than you do don't really need your very stupid suggestion and it's likely to annoy the shit out of people like me who are in no way experts so would not attempt to run down those who are - yet someone with less understanding than would be expected in the general population is having a go!

  76. Re:Fake God Detector, Blamed For Hundreds of Death by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    And what makes bad people do good things, if not religion? Mother Teresa comes to mind.

    'Mother' Theresa did many bad things, and was definitely a bad person. Try again.

  77. Re:aren't these aimed to prevent not detect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you should do a little bit of effort and get some books by people like Trinquier or Galulla. Both of them French.

    I actually met a lady (american one) in Kabul whose main activity was explaining Galullas work to US counter terrorist forces. He essentially developed the concept of "Guerre Moderne" after learning from Mao's approach to warfare. Had the French general staff listened to him things may have been different in Indochine.

    Trinquier contributed some really interesting concepts like "quadrillaige" to counter terrorism, he pacified Algiers essentially, and before you open your mouth, the reason France left Algeria was not in Algiers but in New York.

    I think these French gentlemen could teach you a thing or two on how to deal with insurgency and terrorism. You can buy their books in Amazon, you even have a kindle edition.