I'll see if I can find some link, a quick googling failed, but I was referring to the Clinton era thorium reactor project that was heavily lobbied against by Westinghouse etc. A huge amount of fuss and name calling which lead to the head of the project getting driven out of the nuclear industry. The US nuclear industry has eaten it's own children, becoming nothing but rent seekers on their existing assets and we have to look at India, Russia etc for any advancement.
It's one thing to have a society work in a novel, but some models of society require perfect people to function. Sir Thomas More had a society that needed no lawyers because the law was so simple that everyone could understand it. He knew such a thing needed perfect people that wouldn't try to find loopholes and thus it wasn't put forward as a serious suggestion. Rand on the other hand has put forward something similar which IMHO shows little understanding (compared with even a high school student) of Western society and society in general - it's like the impossible cultures put forward in heroic fantasy that are placed for mere background and never intended to be taken seriously. You are seeing a misunderstanding of Western society through a lens of memories of Stalin's Russia from someone with limited participation in Western society - and it only works in the novel because all the characters have to do what the writer tells them to do. It's only popular IMHO because it's comforting how simple the solutions offered are. Just do the job so badly that everyone would wish you never tried ("I'd shrug"), and presumably someone else in the collective farm will do it. She still had her head in Russia and just didn't get Democracy or Capitialism.
White spot now so there must have been some sort of time delay. I react a bit strongly to this issue because I worked for a few years in the electricity industry so have some background on the issue and most "debates" on energy supply here are about toeing a party line and spreading misinformation.
Ah yes, the society full of perfect citizens so that there is no need for citizens to work together. Sir Thomas More had a few things to say about that in a very easy to read book (the modern English version) called "Utopia", which is where the word came from. I'm not being a snob it's probably easier to read than most of what you read in high school or even a Rand novel. You probably don't even have to read it to get what I'm talking about - the meaning the title now has says it all. I know the concept of a chosen few being immune to the will of the rest of society sounds nice but it sucks once you have kids or relatives outside the fold of those chosen few.
US education system by the government and their teacher union accomplices, educated and informed citizens are most definitely the exception rather than the rule these days. Your take-away from 'Atlas Shrugged' proves the point.
Ah - personal attack time I see. Maybe you are proving that point about the limitations of your education if you are resorting to that, maybe not, but you are comically far off the mark if you are pretending that I am a product of that system as I am assuming you are.
One thing I'm curious about - how in a Rand society can "informed and reasoned voting choices help" when the government is so powerless in such a setting?
Thanks - all I've got till now is "but RDP does single apps so X is obsolete" and then silence when I ask for an example. I'll take a look at SeamlessRDP - which may scratch the itch of a couple of users wanting an old version of AutoCAD LT that runs under Wine but not under any 64 bit MS Windows. Yes there's Virtualbox, VNC etc but they want their single window. Yes there's X on MS Windows but the menus misbehave. I looked at MS Server 2008 but then I found that the 200 page windows licencing for dummies book was not a prop mocked up for a joke at MS but a real thing reflecting how convoluted it is - not the sort of thing to reduce hot seating, most things provide network licences or dongles cheap enough that there's no point having a high spec MS Windows machine with people on ordinary desktops remoting into it. High spec desktop machines for everyone is cheaper up to double digits.
one i don't like is mechanically reclaimed meat which basically comes from steam cleaning the bones. Another one is things like southern fried chicken gougons made with 100% chicken breast and bulked up with soya (in the small print).
The first is probably more tender, may actually taste nicer (like ham off the bone) and the second better for us than 100% chicken - but yes cooking from whole ingredients for most people gives far better results than mass produced meals designed for low cost and long shelf life. I thought the entire point of a meat pie was to contain all those bits that can't be cooked as handy steaks. Steak and Kidney pie is even sold under that name FFS. I'm probably lucky I grew up on occasional lambs liver, brains and even tripe since that make me only care that the bits in a sausage came from a healthy animal raised for it's meat (no Chinese dog jokes please). I'll still eat that meat pie so long as it tastes nice, steamed meat or not.
Yes I was far too rude in response to baggage from so many other clueless posters that also use the kick the harmless dog approach. The nuclear "debate" starts off at such a childish and ignorant level by default so I over-reacted. It's funny how often I get labelled as an "environmentalist arsehole" by merely suggesting pilot plants of new reactor designs first instead of building 100 units as fast as possible, or the even worse approach of 1970s dinosaurs.
With respect, that's how capitalism started instead of the way it's going. It's why you have other things to temper it, first the Church and now government. The way Rand suggests that there should be a small and ineffective government without a rampant crony-capitalist oligarchy happening via some magic is part of her damage.
I thought the entire point was that you could "shrug" and do the job so badly that everyone would wish you never took it in the first place:)
As I suggested above, things are likely to have ended up just the same if Stalin had her on the payroll. A plea for fragmentation and disruption in the name of the individual, with "I've got mine" pretending to be a philosophy instead of mere selfishness. She took the poison from being damaged in the USSR and spread it in the west, railing against the very things that were keeping her alive such as the welfare provided by the US taxpayer.
Little yellow dot says no but I can't see why you would lie about something so trivial so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there's a lag or you tried but failed or something.
Specifically you cited me as ignorant and naive, two pretty hot-button accusations to level at a nerd
Why? We're not expected to be specialists at everything. It's not insulting someone's intelligence to suggest as much.
What the hell does the intricacies of base load versus peak load have to do with my original post?
Because you are arguing about peak and base load energy sources at the same time as if there is some sort of equivalence and mocking several energy sources that even the Chinese, totally bereft of "NIMBYs and the environmentalist arseholes", see some value in.
Mostly it was about your kick the harmless dog comment of blaming those with almost zero political power for a mostly greed induced fuckup of a formerly promising industry - remember those guys lobbied against thorium reactors because it implied the uranium ones were not safe enough? That was an act of writing naive on your forehead, whether for a joke or in reality I really couldn't tell hence the advice aimed at noise reduction above.
It's not well known, in fact actively hidden. A friend of mine was disciplined for taking a photo of an unladen donkey in Afganistan because that could provide a leak of information about keeping long range patrols supplied. There was nothing on the donkey to indicate it was a military pack animal, but taking a photo of a donkey on the base was still seen as potentially revealing secret information to the enemy.
But the single app thing is actually supported by RDP.
People here keep saying that but none, possibly until now, of those have actually done it. How for instance can I launch an application window on a Win7 box with RDP fully licenced for one user onto the Win7 box next to it instead of an entire desktop? Let's assume I don't care what happens on the screen of the box that actually has the application to make things easier. Any ideas? Trivial in X in 1995 but this feature in RDP doesn't seem to be putting in an appearance in the wild.
Developers plural? Repeatedly? I think you'll find it was Daniel Stone speaking about the newer stuff in gnome - not "a dozen years" but three and only one desktop. Avoid the gnome3 stuff and network transparency works as required even on slow connections.
I rewrote the last sentence which was initially about solar and wind having low capacities per unit and nuclear better at larger scales the "low" got left behind. The whole wind versus nuclear debate is like having a blue versus curved debate - makes no sense due to different roles.
Bit thin skinned there with a "foe" designation aren't you?
could suggest you stop behaving like a rude, obtuse prick
Like "Between the NIMBYs and the environmentalist arseholes that want us all back in the dark ages" for instance? I can't get why you are so upset at a post that merely replies in your own style so as to aid in communication. If you don't want a blunt conversation I suggest not starting one. Also if you do not wish to be treated as ignorant I suggest not dumbing down your posts to the extent where you appear to suggest that solar and wind are in the same low base load niche as nuclear.
Simple coding is a good interactive way to teach them logic - that turtle in LOGO does what you tell it and if your logic is screwed it's not going to do what you think it will. Some people can read stuff and visualise it, others can listen to pick it up, but most of us have to observe if we want to learn quickly.
Yes. All of the above use spreadsheets and stuff so knowing that they can save time with a macro is not a waste of time. Surgeons type more than cut (and bitch about that), I'm not sure of the others. It's not as if they need enough to write code to do a fast fourier transform in assembler - getting a turtle to do shit in LOGO teaches kids the ideas they need to be able to get the concept of scripting/macros/coding.
Only the bits of X they consider important. It was planned as more an alternative MS style window system for *nix boxes than a "replacement" for X, but has adopted more X style features (eg. choice of window management instead of one style fits all) as the project has progressed.
It's the differences that have people arguing and putting people down for wanting to run applications from 2013, 2005 or (shock horror!) commercial *nix software that still has bits from 1999. If you are not willing to have all new applications for an all new environment then Wayland is not for you because it is an alternative desktop for new stuff and not designed to do what the old one could do and run old applications.
NASA hasn't changed, it's still full of dedicated scientists.
Seriously guys, when even a site like this is arguing that NASA doesn't know shit then we've got a serious luddite problem. Maybe we've lost this generation to snake handling while speaking in tongues at one end and crystal energy naturopathic shit at the other so it could be time to either teach the kids more about reality or give up and start learning Mandarin.
Hippies with almost zero political power didn't kill nukes - bankers and insurance types with vast amounts of political power refused to finance nukes because it endangered their oil fuelled bottom line. Step 1 - stop being naive and kicking harmless dogs instead knowing where the problem really lies. Step 2 - learn enough about the topic you like to be able to argue for it on it's own merits. Solar and wind don't even fill the same energy supply niche so should be irrelevant when you advocate nuclear power. Railing against them will just make you look ignorant.
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I'll see if I can find some link, a quick googling failed, but I was referring to the Clinton era thorium reactor project that was heavily lobbied against by Westinghouse etc. A huge amount of fuss and name calling which lead to the head of the project getting driven out of the nuclear industry. The US nuclear industry has eaten it's own children, becoming nothing but rent seekers on their existing assets and we have to look at India, Russia etc for any advancement.
It's one thing to have a society work in a novel, but some models of society require perfect people to function.
Sir Thomas More had a society that needed no lawyers because the law was so simple that everyone could understand it. He knew such a thing needed perfect people that wouldn't try to find loopholes and thus it wasn't put forward as a serious suggestion. Rand on the other hand has put forward something similar which IMHO shows little understanding (compared with even a high school student) of Western society and society in general - it's like the impossible cultures put forward in heroic fantasy that are placed for mere background and never intended to be taken seriously.
You are seeing a misunderstanding of Western society through a lens of memories of Stalin's Russia from someone with limited participation in Western society - and it only works in the novel because all the characters have to do what the writer tells them to do. It's only popular IMHO because it's comforting how simple the solutions offered are.
Just do the job so badly that everyone would wish you never tried ("I'd shrug"), and presumably someone else in the collective farm will do it. She still had her head in Russia and just didn't get Democracy or Capitialism.
White spot now so there must have been some sort of time delay.
I react a bit strongly to this issue because I worked for a few years in the electricity industry so have some background on the issue and most "debates" on energy supply here are about toeing a party line and spreading misinformation.
I know the concept of a chosen few being immune to the will of the rest of society sounds nice but it sucks once you have kids or relatives outside the fold of those chosen few.
Ah - personal attack time I see. Maybe you are proving that point about the limitations of your education if you are resorting to that, maybe not, but you are comically far off the mark if you are pretending that I am a product of that system as I am assuming you are.
One thing I'm curious about - how in a Rand society can "informed and reasoned voting choices help" when the government is so powerless in such a setting?
Thanks - all I've got till now is "but RDP does single apps so X is obsolete" and then silence when I ask for an example.
I'll take a look at SeamlessRDP - which may scratch the itch of a couple of users wanting an old version of AutoCAD LT that runs under Wine but not under any 64 bit MS Windows. Yes there's Virtualbox, VNC etc but they want their single window. Yes there's X on MS Windows but the menus misbehave.
I looked at MS Server 2008 but then I found that the 200 page windows licencing for dummies book was not a prop mocked up for a joke at MS but a real thing reflecting how convoluted it is - not the sort of thing to reduce hot seating, most things provide network licences or dongles cheap enough that there's no point having a high spec MS Windows machine with people on ordinary desktops remoting into it. High spec desktop machines for everyone is cheaper up to double digits.
The first is probably more tender, may actually taste nicer (like ham off the bone) and the second better for us than 100% chicken - but yes cooking from whole ingredients for most people gives far better results than mass produced meals designed for low cost and long shelf life.
I thought the entire point of a meat pie was to contain all those bits that can't be cooked as handy steaks. Steak and Kidney pie is even sold under that name FFS. I'm probably lucky I grew up on occasional lambs liver, brains and even tripe since that make me only care that the bits in a sausage came from a healthy animal raised for it's meat (no Chinese dog jokes please). I'll still eat that meat pie so long as it tastes nice, steamed meat or not.
Yes I was far too rude in response to baggage from so many other clueless posters that also use the kick the harmless dog approach.
The nuclear "debate" starts off at such a childish and ignorant level by default so I over-reacted. It's funny how often I get labelled as an "environmentalist arsehole" by merely suggesting pilot plants of new reactor designs first instead of building 100 units as fast as possible, or the even worse approach of 1970s dinosaurs.
With respect, that's how capitalism started instead of the way it's going. It's why you have other things to temper it, first the Church and now government. The way Rand suggests that there should be a small and ineffective government without a rampant crony-capitalist oligarchy happening via some magic is part of her damage.
I thought the entire point was that you could "shrug" and do the job so badly that everyone would wish you never took it in the first place :)
As I suggested above, things are likely to have ended up just the same if Stalin had her on the payroll. A plea for fragmentation and disruption in the name of the individual, with "I've got mine" pretending to be a philosophy instead of mere selfishness. She took the poison from being damaged in the USSR and spread it in the west, railing against the very things that were keeping her alive such as the welfare provided by the US taxpayer.
Little yellow dot says no but I can't see why you would lie about something so trivial so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there's a lag or you tried but failed or something.
Why? We're not expected to be specialists at everything. It's not insulting someone's intelligence to suggest as much.
Because you are arguing about peak and base load energy sources at the same time as if there is some sort of equivalence and mocking several energy sources that even the Chinese, totally bereft of "NIMBYs and the environmentalist arseholes", see some value in.
Mostly it was about your kick the harmless dog comment of blaming those with almost zero political power for a mostly greed induced fuckup of a formerly promising industry - remember those guys lobbied against thorium reactors because it implied the uranium ones were not safe enough? That was an act of writing naive on your forehead, whether for a joke or in reality I really couldn't tell hence the advice aimed at noise reduction above.
It's not well known, in fact actively hidden. A friend of mine was disciplined for taking a photo of an unladen donkey in Afganistan because that could provide a leak of information about keeping long range patrols supplied. There was nothing on the donkey to indicate it was a military pack animal, but taking a photo of a donkey on the base was still seen as potentially revealing secret information to the enemy.
Hence the scene in every submarine film or book ever where the sub stops moving for a bit and everyone gets very quiet.
People here keep saying that but none, possibly until now, of those have actually done it. How for instance can I launch an application window on a Win7 box with RDP fully licenced for one user onto the Win7 box next to it instead of an entire desktop? Let's assume I don't care what happens on the screen of the box that actually has the application to make things easier. Any ideas?
Trivial in X in 1995 but this feature in RDP doesn't seem to be putting in an appearance in the wild.
Developers plural? Repeatedly? I think you'll find it was Daniel Stone speaking about the newer stuff in gnome - not "a dozen years" but three and only one desktop.
Avoid the gnome3 stuff and network transparency works as required even on slow connections.
I rewrote the last sentence which was initially about solar and wind having low capacities per unit and nuclear better at larger scales the "low" got left behind.
The whole wind versus nuclear debate is like having a blue versus curved debate - makes no sense due to different roles.
Like "Between the NIMBYs and the environmentalist arseholes that want us all back in the dark ages" for instance? I can't get why you are so upset at a post that merely replies in your own style so as to aid in communication. If you don't want a blunt conversation I suggest not starting one.
Also if you do not wish to be treated as ignorant I suggest not dumbing down your posts to the extent where you appear to suggest that solar and wind are in the same low base load niche as nuclear.
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Simple coding is a good interactive way to teach them logic - that turtle in LOGO does what you tell it and if your logic is screwed it's not going to do what you think it will.
Some people can read stuff and visualise it, others can listen to pick it up, but most of us have to observe if we want to learn quickly.
Yes.
All of the above use spreadsheets and stuff so knowing that they can save time with a macro is not a waste of time. Surgeons type more than cut (and bitch about that), I'm not sure of the others.
It's not as if they need enough to write code to do a fast fourier transform in assembler - getting a turtle to do shit in LOGO teaches kids the ideas they need to be able to get the concept of scripting/macros/coding.
OK then, a Russian railing against capitalism. Happy now?
Only the bits of X they consider important.
It was planned as more an alternative MS style window system for *nix boxes than a "replacement" for X, but has adopted more X style features (eg. choice of window management instead of one style fits all) as the project has progressed.
It's the differences that have people arguing and putting people down for wanting to run applications from 2013, 2005 or (shock horror!) commercial *nix software that still has bits from 1999. If you are not willing to have all new applications for an all new environment then Wayland is not for you because it is an alternative desktop for new stuff and not designed to do what the old one could do and run old applications.
NASA hasn't changed, it's still full of dedicated scientists.
Seriously guys, when even a site like this is arguing that NASA doesn't know shit then we've got a serious luddite problem. Maybe we've lost this generation to snake handling while speaking in tongues at one end and crystal energy naturopathic shit at the other so it could be time to either teach the kids more about reality or give up and start learning Mandarin.
Hippies with almost zero political power didn't kill nukes - bankers and insurance types with vast amounts of political power refused to finance nukes because it endangered their oil fuelled bottom line.
Step 1 - stop being naive and kicking harmless dogs instead knowing where the problem really lies. Step 2 - learn enough about the topic you like to be able to argue for it on it's own merits. Solar and wind don't even fill the same energy supply niche so should be irrelevant when you advocate nuclear power. Railing against them will just make you look ignorant.
Since it embarrasses the USA for nearly no effort on Putins part, what do you think?
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