I think you're making the same mistake as these researchers did: Placing all your opponents in one box, painting the most popular perceived belief of your opponent on the box, and attacking it.
Perhaps, but there's a core of activists pushing exactly the same line based on Wakefield's scam and they are probably more of a worry than anyone who has got there independently.
For example, in Australia it was all kicked off by an anti-vaccine activist from California getting some time on radio. According to her Wakefield is a Saint and everyone's local doctor is in the pocket of Big Pharma.
Consider that Wakefield, the guy who pushed the "Thimerosol causes autism" line, was running a scam and has a patent on a different preservative. That puts it in a different category to your examples doesn't it?
Go talk to your Grandad about polio. My parents never learned how to swim because the public pools were closed in case they were a vector spreading the large number of polio cases in the area.
Are you sure I'm not doing it ironically or for the lulz?
No. Hence the question. Let me try again - how does your apparent begging fit in with your apparent alt-right politics? Isn't "every man for himself" the line that gets pushed?
Actually, the problem is that "people who see themselves as wanting a fair playing field no matter who is in power are appalled at the authoritarian nature of #goolag's ideological filter bubble"
That's exactly what I wrote above only translated into alt-right newspeak I suppose.
Your assertion that he did any activism at all is silly - he posted on an internal board
How does that make it not activism? Instead of agitating a student body (which he probably has a recent history of doing) he's doing it at a workplace and agitating a workforce. You guys would be foaming at the mouth in outrage if someone in a union was doing this (I'd be a little annoyed myself as well) so why is this snowflake so special?
and having secret unrecorded meetings when discussing their illegal hiring practices
The actual supposed "take over" was by groups trying to push for more actual science fiction
To be more precise, more vanity press mil-scifi. I've got nothing against vanity press mil-scifi (I know a guy who has written some that is quite good and he's starting to get attention from publishers that will pay him) but those who can't compete without insisting that people who have never read their work vote for it shouldn't expect everyone else to just roll over and get out of the way.
The biggest problem with the "flap" in my opinion was that some utter bastards were instructing people to vote for a specific list of things on a "slate" whether they had read/seen them or not. It was about turning the Hugos into something overtly political, like the Eurovision Song Contest. As for this years, I've only read Seanan McGuire's novella, and she well and truly deserved an award for it. She's got a few more in the series as free downloads.
This whole shitfight can be summed up as "people who see themselves as conservative appalled that Google is even more conservative".
He made a company that is focused on image more than anything else look bad when he brought his student activism into the workplace. They don't care if it's commie or alt-right, it's outside the image the company wants to project so out he goes.
As for "whistleblowing" - don't insult your and everyone else's intelligence. Google has had bad press before on what you seem to want to pretend was a secret to be exposed.
Read his thing again - it's activism and proud of it. It doesn't pretend to be anything else and I'm sure Danmore would agree with that description.
That last one ("sausagefest") can also be taken as a sexist slur
It's a description I picked up here that everyone here knows and is truly apt so there's no point pretending it's going to "trigger" you - you cannot be that fragile.
Of course you have, we all have by now, but there's a chorus of idiots that keep posting "you haven't read it here" - I've had people do that to me about four or five times now.
but it appears I'm too tolerant of the 'diversity of opinions'
I do not think you are too tolerant I am expressing surprise that so many people expect a multinational corporation that is very focused on it's image to be tolerant at all. Google is pretty close to being a "sausage-fest", the government is starting to write threatening letters to them about that and then this Danmore guy comes along with his "alt-right" student activism and draws more unwelcome attention implying that there should be even less women in the place. It's kind of obvious what was going to happen once it made it into the press.
Which has been great as far as undermining their oil producing rivals like Venezuela, Iran and Russia, but they can't keep it up forever.
Their production cost is very low so they can almost keep it up forever. Shallow, onshore in a small flat desert with easy access. We can't even match that in Texas letalone offshore or shale.
Is it my turn to join the chorus of "didn't you read it":) I suggest you take a look at it again and consider what the HR department and management of Google would think about it - the title alone plus that "left" "right" diagram are two things clearly designed to provoke.
if censorship is bad how can self censorship
How is it that you can't grasp the idea that he did this at work and freedom of speech etc doesn't apply whether you or I like that or not?
Those political donations from BWX really paid off! Why else is a company that has had nothing to do with rocketry of any kind doing this instead of NASA, the Air Force or a University? It's kind of sad because it would be nice to see an atomic rocket instead of vanishing pork money funding a very expensive undergraduate level literature survey.
The big difference between you and the ranting snowflake we are discussing is that you know a bit about workplaces and you didn't try to bring student politics ("alt-right" in this case, but never good) into a private workplace, and one of a large corporation at that. The place is already a sausagefest and this activist wanted to make it even more so. It's just as bad as arguing for the exact opposite.
They made it twice? The message in the wet dream about doctors with nukes novel (thankfully watered down in the first film) was overbearing enough without adding to it.
The thing with the two I mentioned is the laid on thick message of "don't trust your boss" ran entirely counter to the plots. All those resources used by the bad guys for no other purpose than to foil their own plans - yeah, right. They are probably twenty minutes of cut and fill away from being very good movies but the "message" had to be plastered in. See also "Apocalypso" - a two minute cut away from being a good film once the laid on thick "message" and the jarring only bit of supernatural stuff in the movie is removed.
It's not window dressing it's the actual story. How it became the story may be because it is a government by and for thieves, but the crash of an economy that is almost entirely reliant on one thing is a lesson for everyone.
I'm pretty sure everyone HERE has read it since it's been linked so much. On an unrelated note I find all this alt-right politics extremely strange - how does begging when you are currently employed fit into the narrative?
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Perhaps, but there's a core of activists pushing exactly the same line based on Wakefield's scam and they are probably more of a worry than anyone who has got there independently.
For example, in Australia it was all kicked off by an anti-vaccine activist from California getting some time on radio. According to her Wakefield is a Saint and everyone's local doctor is in the pocket of Big Pharma.
... asbestos isotopes
You have made an elementary mistake...
No problem, it's a silly con anyway.
Epidemiological studies.
I didn't die of measles but some kids my age did. My parents didn't get polio but a lot of kids their age did.
Consider that Wakefield, the guy who pushed the "Thimerosol causes autism" line, was running a scam and has a patent on a different preservative.
That puts it in a different category to your examples doesn't it?
GP poster it looks like I put my comment in the wrong place and it was not aimed at you.
Go talk to your Grandad about polio.
My parents never learned how to swim because the public pools were closed in case they were a vector spreading the large number of polio cases in the area.
Don't worry about it, the phrase is really just a polite way to ask someone to stop lying. Science is a process as you say.
No.
Hence the question.
Let me try again - how does your apparent begging fit in with your apparent alt-right politics?
Isn't "every man for himself" the line that gets pushed?
That's exactly what I wrote above only translated into alt-right newspeak I suppose.
How does that make it not activism? Instead of agitating a student body (which he probably has a recent history of doing) he's doing it at a workplace and agitating a workforce. You guys would be foaming at the mouth in outrage if someone in a union was doing this (I'd be a little annoyed myself as well) so why is this snowflake so special?
Where in the ten pages is that?
Go down that list of winners and name one that matches that description.
To be more precise, more vanity press mil-scifi. I've got nothing against vanity press mil-scifi (I know a guy who has written some that is quite good and he's starting to get attention from publishers that will pay him) but those who can't compete without insisting that people who have never read their work vote for it shouldn't expect everyone else to just roll over and get out of the way.
The biggest problem with the "flap" in my opinion was that some utter bastards were instructing people to vote for a specific list of things on a "slate" whether they had read/seen them or not. It was about turning the Hugos into something overtly political, like the Eurovision Song Contest.
As for this years, I've only read Seanan McGuire's novella, and she well and truly deserved an award for it. She's got a few more in the series as free downloads.
This whole shitfight can be summed up as "people who see themselves as conservative appalled that Google is even more conservative".
He made a company that is focused on image more than anything else look bad when he brought his student activism into the workplace. They don't care if it's commie or alt-right, it's outside the image the company wants to project so out he goes.
As for "whistleblowing" - don't insult your and everyone else's intelligence. Google has had bad press before on what you seem to want to pretend was a secret to be exposed.
His link asking for money to pay off his student loans in not begging?
It's a description I picked up here that everyone here knows and is truly apt so there's no point pretending it's going to "trigger" you - you cannot be that fragile.
Of course you have, we all have by now, but there's a chorus of idiots that keep posting "you haven't read it here" - I've had people do that to me about four or five times now.
I do not think you are too tolerant I am expressing surprise that so many people expect a multinational corporation that is very focused on it's image to be tolerant at all.
Google is pretty close to being a "sausage-fest", the government is starting to write threatening letters to them about that and then this Danmore guy comes along with his "alt-right" student activism and draws more unwelcome attention implying that there should be even less women in the place. It's kind of obvious what was going to happen once it made it into the press.
Their production cost is very low so they can almost keep it up forever. Shallow, onshore in a small flat desert with easy access. We can't even match that in Texas letalone offshore or shale.
Is it my turn to join the chorus of "didn't you read it" :)
I suggest you take a look at it again and consider what the HR department and management of Google would think about it - the title alone plus that "left" "right" diagram are two things clearly designed to provoke.
How is it that you can't grasp the idea that he did this at work and freedom of speech etc doesn't apply whether you or I like that or not?
Come on now - you are not that stupid and nobody else here is either.
Those political donations from BWX really paid off!
Why else is a company that has had nothing to do with rocketry of any kind doing this instead of NASA, the Air Force or a University?
It's kind of sad because it would be nice to see an atomic rocket instead of vanishing pork money funding a very expensive undergraduate level literature survey.
The big difference between you and the ranting snowflake we are discussing is that you know a bit about workplaces and you didn't try to bring student politics ("alt-right" in this case, but never good) into a private workplace, and one of a large corporation at that.
The place is already a sausagefest and this activist wanted to make it even more so.
It's just as bad as arguing for the exact opposite.
So something entitled "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber" with demands like "this needs to change" is not trying to start a fight with management?
They made it twice?
The message in the wet dream about doctors with nukes novel (thankfully watered down in the first film) was overbearing enough without adding to it.
The thing with the two I mentioned is the laid on thick message of "don't trust your boss" ran entirely counter to the plots. All those resources used by the bad guys for no other purpose than to foil their own plans - yeah, right. They are probably twenty minutes of cut and fill away from being very good movies but the "message" had to be plastered in.
See also "Apocalypso" - a two minute cut away from being a good film once the laid on thick "message" and the jarring only bit of supernatural stuff in the movie is removed.
It's not window dressing it's the actual story. How it became the story may be because it is a government by and for thieves, but the crash of an economy that is almost entirely reliant on one thing is a lesson for everyone.
I'm pretty sure everyone HERE has read it since it's been linked so much.
On an unrelated note I find all this alt-right politics extremely strange - how does begging when you are currently employed fit into the narrative?