They never articulated why a corporate perk was wrong
If it's using a lot of someone elses money for something personal it's generally wrong whether it's sex or not. It looks especially bad when companies go bust and people out of work or owed money learn about such perks.
This would be the same conservative parts of America that think there should be laws about who can have sex with whom, what a woman does with her body, etc.
Ah yes, the places that yell to everyone about their "freedom".
in the 1980's woen were taught form a very young age that men are rapists, and pedophiles - all of them
Mothers have been telling daughters that forever (apparently). Around the 1980s the press decided they could get a lot more people paying attention and get more lovely ad revenue if they hyped things up as an "epidemic of crime".
Manspreading” is essentially part of rape culture."
Idiots writing shit to sell magazines will write shit. Don't tell me you also thought those horoscopes in those magazines were real?
I think it's a deeper problem and not a new one - most of America just seems to be scared of sex yet despite being the land of sleaze. As an example - the Superbowl nipple incident shouldn't have provoked more than a few laughs instead of ending up the woman who had her top ripped off getting fined and the man who ripped it off not being charged at all (stupid double standard AND something that shouldn't have got law enforcement attention in the first place). Maybe go on a holiday somewhere to a place where bare boobs on a beach are common and women breastfeeding in public is just normal. Maybe if the silicon valley kids did that they wouldn't be so damned uptight when they get home.
The thing you complained about was obviously just an exagerated version of the "shotgun approach". By moving the goalposts to complaining about the analogy instead of the actual topic (and now more goalpost shifts going after me!) you moved into fucking annoying childish tantrum territory so I made a comment. Pathetic is the word IMHO. Pretending not to understand English for the sake of an argument.
Those countries that were not excluded but have history of terrorism against the USA have business dealings with Trump. Coincidence? He didn't want his grand gesture and artificial emergency to hurt things he cared about. It was never about a real threat.
Why blame leftists? We are all leftists compared with authoritarian monarchy. King fucking George of England in 1776 was way to the left of the Kuwaitis. Which is my entire point. You may as well have used North Korea as your example.
But their citizens - who are entirely Arab Muslims - have all the rights and privileges
Until the police show up and prove that guilty or not they have no rights unless they have good connections to the monarchy.
Absolutely and those people are not suitable for the technology field
The rest was good but you didn't really think that through with this portion. Self starters are incredibly rare (outside of fiction) and you'd be excluding 99% of people in technology with that approach. It's not just about being bright it's about being able to work out what you need to know and being able to do that without help is a very rare situation. I taught myself a lot of programming and ended up going down a lot of irrelevant dead ends before a few textbooks and some formal teaching showed me that while I could do stuff before that teaching it was an utter mess incredibly difficult to debug, as well as wasting a lot of resources (a big deal with only around 1 MHz and not a lot of kilobytes).
Let me provide a real example - seismic data processing. The vocational students (at the time of graduation) may be great at writing web page front ends or GUIs for data entry but they do not have the mathematics to even contemplate working on software that deals with data from even fairly simple physical systems. The academic track is so you don't have someone asking "what's an integral" and then having to give them a bunch of books for three years before they can write a line of code. Sure, they could have picked that stuff up on their own but such people are far more common in Tom Clancy novels than reality. In reality some sort of apprentice situation or education situation is how you get people who can write the instructions instead of just following them. IMHO you need both instead of a one size fits all solution.
those with higher degrees tend to want to think themselves superior
How about taking a step back and think of it rationally instead of emotionally. A degree is just a shortcut to produce people who are more general than those with vocational training at the time when both graduate. Either could effectively be apprenticed to someone exceptional afterwards with the same result but different approaches to fill in the different gaps, but that's another story. Initial training/education is so you get someone who can fill a role now instead of fill multiple roles in ten years.
who'd be more interested in the rights of terrorists over ordinary citizens
They are not very big on rights in Kuwait, especially to guest workers (some worked to death and no investigation), and people there were (and probably still are) very major donors to ISIL/Daash with nothing done about it by the Kuwaiti government until the US applied a lot of pressure.
But they do have an elected parliament w/ limited powers
Just like Iran, an elected bunch that gives advice that can be freely ignored by the people actually running the place.
If you are comparing Trump to Kuwait it's a bit of an insult even to Trump.
So - playing the man instead of the ball now? I was suggesting that perhaps you should argue on the basis of content instead of branching off and arguing over an almost completely irrelevant analogy.
The similarity ends at the ban and canister shot both being very indiscriminate
That's all it needs to be an analogy. Perhaps move on before people start making comments about banjos and buck teeth and bring'n sum good skooling to yawl.
A bit tricky unless we import it or stand up to the "nuclear lobby" that pushed so hard to shut down the Clinton era thorium research. Westinghouse et al all have a vested interest in 1970s dinosaurs instead of something potentially viable.
I never said it was a good analogy, but the "nothing like" is acting more than a little dumb in reply to an analogy and I just do not get why you are doing it. How did the level of discussion degenerate to a cocaine riddled DJ level - we are not that deranged.
Nice for you to jump in when you saw a "foe", but perhaps it's worth actually reading as far as the second line of the post which addresses your point very well. The bit in brackets is the thing if you have trouble finding it in a two line post.
Have these "green card holders" renounced their other citizenship by some open and distinct act?
With some places, such as the UK, you remain their citizen even if you get citizenship elsewhere no matter whether you want to give it up or not. With some others, notably Iran, you become a citizen of that nation just by being born to parents from that nation.
So your personal definition and dictionary quote to muddle the issue doesn't really matter, what matters is what the relevant laws say about people who have been granted permanent residency. There's no point playing the "but they are not REAL Americans" game unless you live on a reservation.
Cheap/low end doesn't have to mean sucky and dangerous
Yes, but the example given was at least low end, although a very long way from cheap. An incompetent Indian doctor (with his licence to practice in New York and Oregon removed due to incidents there) was appointed head of surgery in an Australian hospital and he decided to attempt a lot of risky operations that would gain the greatest amount of profit from insurance or the state. The hospital administrator loved him due to the money rolling in but the death toll mounted. Eventually, after being linked to 87 deaths, some action was taken against him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayant_Patel That's a pretty extreme case but it's an example of what can currently get through the system in New York, Oregon and Australia.
No irony. Kuwait is a Kingdom. The USA isn't one yet even though Trump is going on about how it's terrible that a country cannot block immigrants as if he is the country personified and the legal system that gives him legitimacy as President in the first place is worthless.
Also add Halliburton to the list. They have a LOT of people working in Pakistan including a major geophysical software division.
So is there a plan, a roadmap, or is this just a pledge?
Eventually you get all three if you are serious, and it's easier for Sweden to be serious about it than a lot of other countries because they have to import all their fossil fuels.
hard to get reliable baseload power from renewables
So? Sweden not only has nukes but has one under construction to plan for the future.
hydro
They have that too. Sorry if this spoils your "those damn greens and their dog" rant. You'll have to tilt at windmills elsewhere because Sweden can cut down on coal with or without them, so they are not really part of the issue.
It's kind of funny each time I see someone attack energy independence as if it's a "left" issue. Nixon was trying to get a plan together for the same sort of thing until Watergate came out and he couldn't get anything done.
Not one word about translators and guides for the US army in Iraq who have served faithfully and got a visa after intense vetting as a reward
That has been reported elsewhere. The pentagon does not appear to be amused by Trump's artificial emergency blocking some of their people and some Iraqi pilots bound for Arizona, and they also deployed lawyers to airports.
My apologies then. At the moment it's a bit of a guessing game whether to take him at his word or not. He's such a child in a man's body. A recent little bit of pettiness is calling the Australian Prime Minister "Trumble" instead of "Turnbull" because a refugee swap deal is causing Trump trouble.
Yes, vocational training, it is very useful. However some people have to have enough understanding of the topic to be able to deal with change and lay out procedures for those who have only had the vocational training. That's part of what universities are supposed to be for.
The problem looks like arguing for a "one size fits all" approach. That only works in the short term.
Those HR people have to come from somewhere and that's the sort of study that could benefit them. And that bridge thing - even introductory statics and solid mechanics requires far more mathematics than most people on this site have ever studied so there is no point using it as an example to be smug. Most people here wouldn't even know where to start and have never even heard of a bending moment diagram. Maybe try a computer analogy instead.
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If it's using a lot of someone elses money for something personal it's generally wrong whether it's sex or not.
It looks especially bad when companies go bust and people out of work or owed money learn about such perks.
Ah yes, the places that yell to everyone about their "freedom".
Mothers have been telling daughters that forever (apparently). Around the 1980s the press decided they could get a lot more people paying attention and get more lovely ad revenue if they hyped things up as an "epidemic of crime".
Idiots writing shit to sell magazines will write shit. Don't tell me you also thought those horoscopes in those magazines were real?
I think it's a deeper problem and not a new one - most of America just seems to be scared of sex yet despite being the land of sleaze. As an example - the Superbowl nipple incident shouldn't have provoked more than a few laughs instead of ending up the woman who had her top ripped off getting fined and the man who ripped it off not being charged at all (stupid double standard AND something that shouldn't have got law enforcement attention in the first place).
Maybe go on a holiday somewhere to a place where bare boobs on a beach are common and women breastfeeding in public is just normal. Maybe if the silicon valley kids did that they wouldn't be so damned uptight when they get home.
Seems a bit odd to drop 32 bit with the Raspberry Pi and clones all over the place.
The thing you complained about was obviously just an exagerated version of the "shotgun approach". By moving the goalposts to complaining about the analogy instead of the actual topic (and now more goalpost shifts going after me!) you moved into fucking annoying childish tantrum territory so I made a comment.
Pathetic is the word IMHO. Pretending not to understand English for the sake of an argument.
Those countries that were not excluded but have history of terrorism against the USA have business dealings with Trump. Coincidence?
He didn't want his grand gesture and artificial emergency to hurt things he cared about. It was never about a real threat.
Why blame leftists? We are all leftists compared with authoritarian monarchy. King fucking George of England in 1776 was way to the left of the Kuwaitis.
Which is my entire point. You may as well have used North Korea as your example.
Until the police show up and prove that guilty or not they have no rights unless they have good connections to the monarchy.
The rest was good but you didn't really think that through with this portion. Self starters are incredibly rare (outside of fiction) and you'd be excluding 99% of people in technology with that approach. It's not just about being bright it's about being able to work out what you need to know and being able to do that without help is a very rare situation. I taught myself a lot of programming and ended up going down a lot of irrelevant dead ends before a few textbooks and some formal teaching showed me that while I could do stuff before that teaching it was an utter mess incredibly difficult to debug, as well as wasting a lot of resources (a big deal with only around 1 MHz and not a lot of kilobytes).
The vocational students (at the time of graduation) may be great at writing web page front ends or GUIs for data entry but they do not have the mathematics to even contemplate working on software that deals with data from even fairly simple physical systems.
The academic track is so you don't have someone asking "what's an integral" and then having to give them a bunch of books for three years before they can write a line of code.
Sure, they could have picked that stuff up on their own but such people are far more common in Tom Clancy novels than reality. In reality some sort of apprentice situation or education situation is how you get people who can write the instructions instead of just following them.
IMHO you need both instead of a one size fits all solution.
How about taking a step back and think of it rationally instead of emotionally. A degree is just a shortcut to produce people who are more general than those with vocational training at the time when both graduate. Either could effectively be apprenticed to someone exceptional afterwards with the same result but different approaches to fill in the different gaps, but that's another story. Initial training/education is so you get someone who can fill a role now instead of fill multiple roles in ten years.
They are not very big on rights in Kuwait, especially to guest workers (some worked to death and no investigation), and people there were (and probably still are) very major donors to ISIL/Daash with nothing done about it by the Kuwaiti government until the US applied a lot of pressure.
Just like Iran, an elected bunch that gives advice that can be freely ignored by the people actually running the place.
If you are comparing Trump to Kuwait it's a bit of an insult even to Trump.
So - playing the man instead of the ball now?
I was suggesting that perhaps you should argue on the basis of content instead of branching off and arguing over an almost completely irrelevant analogy.
That's all it needs to be an analogy. Perhaps move on before people start making comments about banjos and buck teeth and bring'n sum good skooling to yawl.
A bit tricky unless we import it or stand up to the "nuclear lobby" that pushed so hard to shut down the Clinton era thorium research. Westinghouse et al all have a vested interest in 1970s dinosaurs instead of something potentially viable.
That's a pain. There goes skype on my Nokia N900.
I never said it was a good analogy, but the "nothing like" is acting more than a little dumb in reply to an analogy and I just do not get why you are doing it.
How did the level of discussion degenerate to a cocaine riddled DJ level - we are not that deranged.
Nice for you to jump in when you saw a "foe", but perhaps it's worth actually reading as far as the second line of the post which addresses your point very well. The bit in brackets is the thing if you have trouble finding it in a two line post.
It's called an analogy.
See "shotgun approach" for an example (a marketing campaign is not the same as shooting people).
With some places, such as the UK, you remain their citizen even if you get citizenship elsewhere no matter whether you want to give it up or not.
With some others, notably Iran, you become a citizen of that nation just by being born to parents from that nation.
So your personal definition and dictionary quote to muddle the issue doesn't really matter, what matters is what the relevant laws say about people who have been granted permanent residency. There's no point playing the "but they are not REAL Americans" game unless you live on a reservation.
Yes, but the example given was at least low end, although a very long way from cheap. An incompetent Indian doctor (with his licence to practice in New York and Oregon removed due to incidents there) was appointed head of surgery in an Australian hospital and he decided to attempt a lot of risky operations that would gain the greatest amount of profit from insurance or the state. The hospital administrator loved him due to the money rolling in but the death toll mounted. Eventually, after being linked to 87 deaths, some action was taken against him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayant_Patel
That's a pretty extreme case but it's an example of what can currently get through the system in New York, Oregon and Australia.
It's an artificial emergency so that a weak President can appear to be strong.
No irony. Kuwait is a Kingdom.
The USA isn't one yet even though Trump is going on about how it's terrible that a country cannot block immigrants as if he is the country personified and the legal system that gives him legitimacy as President in the first place is worthless.
Also add Halliburton to the list. They have a LOT of people working in Pakistan including a major geophysical software division.
Eventually you get all three if you are serious, and it's easier for Sweden to be serious about it than a lot of other countries because they have to import all their fossil fuels.
So? Sweden not only has nukes but has one under construction to plan for the future.
They have that too.
Sorry if this spoils your "those damn greens and their dog" rant. You'll have to tilt at windmills elsewhere because Sweden can cut down on coal with or without them, so they are not really part of the issue.
It's kind of funny each time I see someone attack energy independence as if it's a "left" issue. Nixon was trying to get a plan together for the same sort of thing until Watergate came out and he couldn't get anything done.
That has been reported elsewhere. The pentagon does not appear to be amused by Trump's artificial emergency blocking some of their people and some Iraqi pilots bound for Arizona, and they also deployed lawyers to airports.
My apologies then. At the moment it's a bit of a guessing game whether to take him at his word or not.
He's such a child in a man's body. A recent little bit of pettiness is calling the Australian Prime Minister "Trumble" instead of "Turnbull" because a refugee swap deal is causing Trump trouble.
Yes, vocational training, it is very useful.
However some people have to have enough understanding of the topic to be able to deal with change and lay out procedures for those who have only had the vocational training. That's part of what universities are supposed to be for.
The problem looks like arguing for a "one size fits all" approach. That only works in the short term.
Those HR people have to come from somewhere and that's the sort of study that could benefit them.
And that bridge thing - even introductory statics and solid mechanics requires far more mathematics than most people on this site have ever studied so there is no point using it as an example to be smug. Most people here wouldn't even know where to start and have never even heard of a bending moment diagram.
Maybe try a computer analogy instead.