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Microsoft's H-1B Workers Cited In Motion That Successfully Blocked Trump's Travel Ban (geekwire.com)
"President Trump's travel ban is on hold," reports WGN. "A federal judge in Seattle blocked the executive order banning travelers from seven predominately Muslim countries." But Slashdot reader theodp noticed that the judge's temporary restraining order might've been responding to something specific: the motion argued Trump's executive order had been harmful because it impacted major tech companies in the state of Washington, including Microsoft. From the motion:
Washington's technology industry relies heavily on the H-1B visa program. Nationwide, Washington ranks ninth in the number of applications for high-tech visas. Microsoft, which is headquartered in Washington, employs nearly 5,000 people through the program. Other Washington companies, including Amazon, Expedia, and Starbucks, employ thousands of H-1B visa holders. Loss of highly skilled workers puts Washington companies at a competitive disadvantage with global competitors.
It was in response to the motion from Washington that the judge ultimately ruled that "the States have met their burden of demonstrating that they face immediate and irreparable injury as a result of signing and implementation of the Executive Order," citing its harm on the state's public universities -- and on its tax base. And Attorney General Bob Ferguson told GeekWire that he gave some credit for the judge's ruling to the declarations of support filed by Amazon and Expedia which specifically say that "Microsoft's U.S. workforce is heavily dependent on immigrants and guest workers. At least 76 employees at Microsoft are citizens of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, or Yemen and hold U.S. temporary work visas."
It was in response to the motion from Washington that the judge ultimately ruled that "the States have met their burden of demonstrating that they face immediate and irreparable injury as a result of signing and implementation of the Executive Order," citing its harm on the state's public universities -- and on its tax base. And Attorney General Bob Ferguson told GeekWire that he gave some credit for the judge's ruling to the declarations of support filed by Amazon and Expedia which specifically say that "Microsoft's U.S. workforce is heavily dependent on immigrants and guest workers. At least 76 employees at Microsoft are citizens of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, or Yemen and hold U.S. temporary work visas."
Skype.
Work remotely... they have Internet overseas.
For US citizens to be denyed entry into all civilised countries for - guess it - terrorism.
After all the US is the only country bombing the shit out of half the world. So the world needs extreme vetting of
american citizens.
companies matter more then usa workers
ya know that part of the constitution that starts with
WE THE PEOPLE ...had no part that said we the corporations
I think the H-1B program should be expanded to other occupations. If medical insurance companies could import masses of low-paid foreign doctors and dentists, just think of how much that could cut the costs of insurance premiums!?!
Also, these judges seem and lawyers seem to be scarce and overpaid . . . let's replace them with cheap foreign imports!
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Not one word about translators and guides for the US army in Iraq who have served faithfully and got a visa after intense vetting as a reward. Not one word about the reliability of the vetting procedures already in place, the probability of inadvertently admitting terrorists on visa already issued or about substituting security theatre for security. Not one word about the justification (or lack thereof) of a measure that hits people who have lived here for 10+ years without problems and can't travel abroad because they'll be stopped at the border.
No. The only thing that counted was: Washington state filed a complaint that companies like Microsoft, Amazon, and Starbucks (not people !) have suffered immediate and irreparable (financial) loss. That was decisive.
Ugh. I'm getting a drink.
Trump has done one thing others have not been able to, and that's cut through the baloney. So quickly too. Microsoft participated in this lawsuit now, but yet they said or did nothing when DHS put travel restrictions from these very same countries last year.
Let's be honest. This is not about stopping a handful of employees traveling from these countries. It's about taking on Trump in order to protect the importing of cheap labor from abroad. You know the old saying "even the pope is replaceable." If your company is so reliant and dependent on employees from failed terrorists states like Somalia, then there is something really wrong with your company.
Posting as anon to prevent the doxing.
Section 1182(f) of the US Code reads: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate." In other words, the president has pretty much arbitrary power to decide who is and isn't allowed into the country. This is why it was lawful when President Obama banned all Iraqi refugees for six months in 2011. Also, the judge implies that aliens in foreign countries have Constitutional rights, which is complete lunacy.
I suggest you start drinking Brawndo. :(
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Medical schools are very selective. Doctor pay is high in the USA. There are regulations which make it difficult for foreign doctors to just start practicing in the USA. Law schools just pump out lawyers, and now there are unemployed lawyers. There should be more cheap, low end doctors. At least in a free market, there would be, which the American health system is not.
Taxes are not collected immediately and the injury to the State of Washington is barely noticable from that perspective over the course of a few days or weeks or months.
This temporary restraining order should be thrown out on that alone.
Hire a Linux system administrator, systems engineer,
I didn't know tech workers came from those countries in any large numbers unless all they are is slave production workers.
Some good news re. H-1Bs: N.R. Narayana Murthy, the president of Infosys, said
Indian software companies must truly become multicultural. They must recruit American citizen [and] American residents in the U.S., they must recruit Canadians in Canada, British people in Britain, etc. . . . we should stop using H-1B visas and sending a large number of Indians to those countries to deliver services.
I don't know if he means it, or if he's just talking. But the fact that he's at least admitting the possibility of hiring Americans is a step in the right direction. We'll see what he follows up his words with deeds.
The article also says,
U.S. officials say the H-1B program suffers from fraud and extensive corruption, especially in India where inflated resumes and faked documentation are used to get poorly trained and poorly paid Indian workers into American job sites.
Just like their shoddy programming, you will die.
There have been a few cases of dodgy ones in australia who caused dozens of mistakes and deaths and used false resumes of experience like your typical indian IT worker with fake details/quals.
Trust them to cut you open,mmmmm, no thanks.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
When you're unemployed in this business, you are considered damaged goods because if you were any good, you'd have a job.
And then when you hit middle age, forget it.
After a while, it becomes true - you lose your skills.
STEM careers suck. I wished I went into something else.
See: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06...
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Cheap/low end doesn't have to mean sucky and dangerous.
Look at what happened in IT. When I started, many IT guys were strong generalists, capable at a wide variety of tasks. It was not uncommon to see a single team handle design and architecture, development, testing, requirements gathering, deployment,and support. However those guys were fairly expensive and managers figured that it would be better to compartmentalize the work and hand it either to specialists for improved quality (or at least repeatable mediocrity), or to lower paid workers to handle the simpler tasks like 1st line support.
The same has already happened to some degree in health care. In the old days, dentists took care of all parts of a procedure, even cleaning off scale. Nowadays when I go to the dentist, the guy takes a look to see if there are any issues, then lets an oral hygienist take care of the simple stuff while he pops into another fully kitted treatment room where the next patient has already been prepped. He hands off work to "cheap & low end" technicians to save costs and treat more patients in the same time. Same in hospitals, where there are a few things, formerly considered the domain of MDs, being handled by medical techs.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Agreed. STEM sucks. No respect from clientele, unstable job market, outsourcing,
short term contracts, H-1Bs, etc. Too bad we can't outsource Congress.
And Micro$oft can @#$% themselves for saying that 76 employees missing is destroying
their business. 76 employees out of HOW Many, 118,000?!? They probably have 100x more people
on vacation than that at any given time. Give me a f#@$%ing break!
Judge must be a total moron.
Corporations want to import cheap labor. What else is new?
It's sad how the left has been turned into a corporate tool. Importing cheap labor for the benefit of corporations and eroding the middle class is being cheered on because anything else would be "racist".
Bye Bye MS H1-B visas
Hope you had fun abusing American workers.
folks from india know that java...
So let me get this straight: a judge rules that since Microsoft in WA state relies on H-1B Visa slave labor—and Microsoft constitutes a large chunk of the WA state tax base—therefore the federal H-1B slave labor program cannot be suspended in the U.S. in any way because that would adversely impact some states' economies.
Didn't we already fight one civil war over this sort of issue? And this ruling was issued during Black History Month?
Consider my mind officially boggled by the blatant irony of this decision.
P.S. Lest you imagine I am just trolling, this was ironically the same appeals judge who proclaimed that “Black Lives Matter” in a hearing involving Seattle police reform.
...... Just sayin'. This judge has a tendency to preach from the bench.
Ref: http://www.washingtontimes.com...
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"Microsoft, which is headquartered in Washington, employs nearly 5,000 people through the program."
Yes, and those are ~4,999 jobs that could be filled by American workers instead of low-cost imported labor.
Sorry, but the H-1B program has become so abused that it's just a fucking joke. Apparently no one in America knows how to program in Java, Go, C#, or C++, and no one knows how to administer a database or a file system. We're all just too stupid to work on stuff we invented so we need to import "skilled" people from places where toilets are still a novelty.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
To dislike Microsoft.
If a single terrorist makes it in the country during this temporary opening, everyone involved with the block should be tried for treason.
How about hiring some of the unemployed or underemployed American tech workers instead of trying to be cheap and use the H1B Visa workers. Then you don't need to worry about your employees being blocked from entering the country.
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Do they have broadband in these countries - Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, et al? They'd need that to run Skype. I support the ban - our safety comes ahead of their convenience, but they could have relocated them to Turkey or Dubai and continued from there
You want irony? Check this out - Kuwait has done exactly the same thing: only that they added 2, and didn't include 4 of the countries in question. Syria, Iran and Iraq are common, Kuwait added Pakistan and Afghanistan (which some critics in the US have been asking about) while they didn't include Yemen, Somalia, Sudan and Libya.
Luckily for Kuwait, there are no Bush appointed judges acting at the behest of Bozos or Nadella to help those companies not only continue to undermine the US economy, but also seriously endanger us. And for those Leftist pooh-baahs who 'point out' that nobody from these 7 countries have killed anyone, they've not followed anything about the Somalis in Minneapolis, nor that Somali who did that Ohio State attack. Yeah, technically, nobody got 'killed', but that doesn't mean that no terror attack happened!!!
I'm fine w/ US citizens who are stupid enough to go to those 7 countries get vetted to make sure that they indeed do suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Only thing - they should be kept there as citizens, and never return
"Starbucks" and "highly skilled workers" in the same sentence?
Isn't the H1B system just a massive piss take to import cheap foreign labour?
What is it about low cost staff from other nations that big US brands really want in the USA?
Why not just go with what the big US brands really want.
Say a project needs 3 months of computer work done.
Fly in staff from a really low wage nation on a new very short term US visa.
Pay the staff the same wages they get back in their own nation while working in the USA due to the very short term nature of the winning bid.
When the work is done, the low cost staff return home.
All the costs of 3rd world wages with the branding of been made in the USA.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
No irony. Kuwait is a Kingdom.
The USA isn't one yet even though Trump is going on about how it's terrible that a country cannot block immigrants as if he is the country personified and the legal system that gives him legitimacy as President in the first place is worthless.
Also add Halliburton to the list. They have a LOT of people working in Pakistan including a major geophysical software division.
Knew it, Microsoft is a terrorist organization.
""Microsoft's U.S. workforce is heavily dependent on immigrants and guest workers."
Who would have thought, not being allowed to cheat the system and continue doing scummy things might be "harmful" to those doing it?
Anyone who uses such labor is CHEATING the system, is a traitor to the US of A, and deserves all the "harm" they get!
No they don't.
Believe it or not, some places are even worse than the USA.
Where the wants of a corporation overrule national security...
Yes, but the example given was at least low end, although a very long way from cheap. An incompetent Indian doctor (with his licence to practice in New York and Oregon removed due to incidents there) was appointed head of surgery in an Australian hospital and he decided to attempt a lot of risky operations that would gain the greatest amount of profit from insurance or the state. The hospital administrator loved him due to the money rolling in but the death toll mounted. Eventually, after being linked to 87 deaths, some action was taken against him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayant_Patel
That's a pretty extreme case but it's an example of what can currently get through the system in New York, Oregon and Australia.
Cheap/low end doesn't have to mean sucky and dangerous. Look at what happened in IT. When I started, many IT guys were strong generalists, capable at a wide variety of tasks. It was not uncommon to see a single team handle design and architecture, development, testing, requirements gathering, deployment,and support. However those guys were fairly expensive and managers figured that it would be better to compartmentalize the work and hand it either to specialists for improved quality (or at least repeatable mediocrity), or to lower paid workers to handle the simpler tasks like 1st line support.
Over time the different components of a datacenter became so complex that you had to specialize. In large companies, Networking and SAN storage management require their own specialists and departments.
But, you still need high end people in those departments. Just because they are specialists, that doesn't mean they can be mediocre. The problems I have seen over time is that when one component has a problem(Storage, Networking, Server, Application), there is a lot of finger pointing. I have seen storage performance issues where the storage team claimed there was no problem with the disks and meanwhile the FA ports were running at over 90% utilization, which is bad if you were expecting good response times. I have seen countless networking problems and the networking group would claim there was no problem with the network, meanwhile it turns out that they made firewall changes that were blocking required ports. DBAs often lthink there is a disk performance issue when the real problem is a bad query and now it's doing a full table scan on a 4TB database, that never ran in 5 seconds!
All of these problems should have been noticed within minutes, but mediocrity makes it possible for these problems to last for months because someone doesn't see the obvious problem and the other teams have no visibility into that mediocre team's environment. To compensate, there need to be high end players with visibility to all of the environments so that they can point out what someone is missing. Paying for people like that seems expensive, but it's not nearly as expensive as multiple teams spending months on a database performance problem that only one team can solve, but they keep overlooking the obvious problem and nobody can call them on it.
It is a 90 day stop not forever.
It is also not just Muslim but anyone coming from these countries.
even for Doctors. Hell, _especially_ for Doctors. And not because of nationalism, but because it encourages us to cut education funding here at home. Who's gonna wanna pay the taxes to support an unprivileged kid for 8 years while they get an MD when they can just bring folks already trained overseas. Trained for cheap since cost of living is so much lower thanks to overall lower quality of life. Remember, school isn't just about tuition. There's food, shelter, transportation, medical care. Not to mention having a life outside of studying while you're in school too. Last I check Americans don't have to pay for any of that unless they have to.
Take away the H1-Bs and the rich would have to either pay to train the people that make their lives great or move the the second and third world hell holes we're getting these Doctors from due to sheer weight of numbers. If I was a one of those rich guys I'd want the latter, but as a member of America's working class I want the former.
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being expended to fight this Muslim ban. It's not even a ban, since it doesn't touch a single country linked to Muslim backed terrorism. But here's the left, throwing everything it has at fighting it. Trump is doing a _lot_ of awful things. This is piddly stuff compared to the rest of it. We might win here, but it'll be a pyrrhic victory...
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The odd thing that no one examines is whether very many people/businesses have business dealings with those companies. Kind of like how people claim that confidence in our elections is justified, but no real investigation of the elections is done to enforce this. There are so many things that need to be done to be certain that people are on the up-and-up that simply aren't done and people have or lack belief in a given situation without the necessary work being done to grant certainty. We are living in a world of deliberate vagueness that people act as if they can be certain about.
The odd thing that no one examines is whether very many people/businesses have business dealings with those companies. Kind of like how people claim that confidence in our elections is justified, but no real investigation of the elections is done to enforce this. There are so many things that need to be done to be certain that people are on the up-and-up that simply aren't done and people have or lack belief in a given situation without the necessary work being done to grant certainty. We are living in a world of deliberate vagueness that people act as if they can be certain about.
There was no "deliberate vagueness" in my post. Trump does in fact have business dealings with those countries. I just didn't bother with the details. If you're interested, then look here.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Foreign doctors are imported. The tech industry should study what is different about that field different that makes it so they can keep it more secret.
Traitor, a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.
ROBERT W. FERGUSON, Attorney General WSBA #26004, NOAH G. PURCELL, Solicitor General WSBA #43492, COLLEEN M. MELODY, Civil Rights Unit Chief WSBA #42275 and JAMES L. ROBART, United States District Judge can be served with a Federal complaint for having committed and engaged in acts of Treason against the peoples and institutions of the United States of America. By Federal Order, the traitors Ferguson, Purcell, Melody and Robart can be arrested and arraigned in Federal Court on the charges of Treason and removed from office and official duties to be incarcerated subject to trial and disbursement of verdict and penalties pursuant to the crimes of Treason.
I wonder how much this judge is costing Microsoft?
I do not belong to the church of the lowercase 'i'
Visas only grant you the right to present yourself to an immigration officer. It doesn't give you the right to enter the country. Technically, border control may just keep on blocking any immigrant coming from the banned countries.
I'm not looking at the question of whether or not Trump has business dealings in countries outside the ban. The question is whether or not Trump is particularly an odd man out for not having business dealings inside the countries the ban effects. If nobody or very few has/have dealings with these countries then it is a harder case to make that Trump's business dealings there played a particularly large part in involving those countries in the ban.
The question is legality. Congress gave the Executive branch the power to block immigration when there is a valid foreign threat. This power has been exercised numerous times through history, including Democratic Presidents (Obama, Clinton, Carter, and FDR) . The power has already been challenged numerous times in Federal Court and has been upheld. I did not hear one peep from Democrats when President Obama put a 6 month ban in Immigration from Iraq, including these States and companies who are now claiming harm from this order. Funny how when it's your guy it's okay, but if a Republican does it, it must be unconstitutional.
I wondered why the leftist press and politicians immediately jumped on the "islamaphobia" bandwagon, but the purpose is now clear. Idiots that don't understand the difference between a failed state (not by just US standards, but UN) and a Muslim country. Idiots must also believe that the US Government employs Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to determine the status of an immigrant, instead of relying on the foreign Government to be able to provide reliable and trustworthy immigration information. 100% of the States on the list are Failed, and only 14% of the Muslim countries in the world are included in the moratorium. The largest Muslim populated countries like India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.. are not mentioned in the moratorium. The fact that low IQ people latch on to the fantasy land is not that hard to understand, but even idiots can figure it out if they bother to find a full set of facts once they are told that the scenario presented is a fantasy.
The legal challenges are pretty simple. One, does the Federal Government hold the power to control Immigration? We have already had rulings that it does, so if people want to change the branch that holds that authority Congress needs to either amend or replace the current law granting that power to the Executive branch. The second challenge, is whether or not a State has the right to override a Federal Order without going through the proper appeals process. This judge made a new based on fabricated information (alleging Religious discrimination) and should subsequently be relieved from his bench. A judge can not rule by "feeling", they must rule by facts.
If you dislike the Law of the Land, Article 5 of the Constitution provides a mechanism for change. What these lefties did was simply to further demonstrate their lawlessness and lack of respect for the US Constitution.
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Lots of people probably have business dealings with those countries because they aren't shit holes or one of our key enemies.
Turkey is even a long time member of NATO.
The Clintons have business dealings with Saudi as well as other Muslim nations on on Obama's list.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
There was one case in Australia. Over the 50 years of my life in Oz, I have been treated by a few Indian doctors, all of whom were very competant.
I trust them as much as any other Doctor, however im not a bigot pushing an agenda.
Pun intended
Microsoft harmed by loosing 76 employees? It is disturbing such a point was taken seriously.
Trump will likely win this on appeal.
... than by an immigrant terrorist http://www.vox.com/2016/9/13/1...
"Virtually all the deaths from immigrant attacks (98.6 percent) came from one event: 9/11. Other than that, fatal immigrant-linked terrorist attacks in the US were vanishingly rare -- and ones linked to refugees specifically rarer still. The average likelihood of an American being killed in a terrorist attack in which any kind of immigrant participated in any given year is one in 3.6 million -- even including the 9/11 deaths. That is a very, very, very low number. To put that in perspective, I've produced the following chart, which compares the average annual likelihood of American pedestrians being hit by a railway vehicle, dying due to their own clothes melting or lighting on fire, and being killed in a terrorist attack perpetrated by an immigrant. "
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
Not a ban, a temporary suspension.
Implemented badly on purpose by holdover Obummer politicos to sabotage the effort, as already admitted on TV.'
Tried to be stopped by a federal judge who will be summarily overturned with prejudice.
No successful terrorist acts is a false claim, and the number of attempts prevented is in the double digits according the Obummer admins.
There is no right of a non-citizen to enter the US, and no judge can create one.
Those countries that were not excluded but have history of terrorism against the USA have business dealings with Trump. Coincidence?
He didn't want his grand gesture and artificial emergency to hurt things he cared about. It was never about a real threat.
The citizens of this country will always come last. The citizens who spill their blood on the battlefield, the people who were born in America will always be second class citizens who do not deserve protection or even a job from the likes of Mircrosoft and Disney!!!!!!!
These tech companies headquartered out of San Francisco and Seattle would rather give jobs to jihadists or Jihadi Sympathizers than to Americans!!!!!!! This is the New World Order that Bill Gates and others are trying to create...
America is not first for these companies. America, and especially its workers, will always be last. These tech titans do not care about Americans. They do not care about our privacy or our liberty. They are the Umbrella Corporation. They will do absolutely anything for money. They buy influence like it is candy. They buy judges and even Presidents, and it is WE THE PEOPLE who always get the short end of the stick while Bill Gates is worth almost 100 Billion dollars!!!!
This ban could have opened more jobs for AMERICANS!
... Trust them to cut you open,mmmmm, no thanks.
Yet people trust them to "cut open" their computers!
i.e, Microsoft. 8-{
Hire Americans! Who trained those visa holders in the first place while watching his /her job to away?
H1-B visa holding politicians and CEOs.
Think of the boost to corporate profits if you replace a $100M CEO who spends his time blabbing about sexuality, global warming, and all sorts of other crap that has nothing to do with the function of the company, with a $50K guy who can spout the same stuff.
Think of the benefits of replacing a lawmaker who spends 90% of his time hanging out with rich special interests fund raising for his re-elections and agreeing to write loopholes into laws with some hard working lawmaked from India who's willing to do a job Americans won't do (fixing potholes, balancing budgets, securing the borders, etc) for half the money and with the ability to hold his H1-B visa over him if he does not perform.
We've been importing the wrong critical foreign workers!
The politicians do not really care about some guy who helped the US in a war zone and has proven himself trustworthy.
What they truly care about is the global elite billionaires and their armies of cheap indentured servants (and the related campaign contributions).
The idiot protesters in the streets who might THINK they are "good" people championing a principle seem to not all be aware that they are in many cases doing the work of billionaire elitists. The Berkley anti-Milo riots are a good example of this: The riots were organized by a group called "Refuse Fascism" which is rather ironically funded by Geroge Soros (the planet's only surviving proud Hitler era NAZI collaborator) who is a Davos-attending billionaire elitist. Useful idiots on full display.
We all know that the best coders all come from Somalia and Yemen, right????
Amazon, Google, Microsoft, etc just want the legal precedents in place that say they can import cheap workers from even the worst places on Earth without restriction and that even a national leader citing national security concerns cannot stop their free movement of cheap labor.
Why not import 3rd world Politicians?
Casteism
This only cites 5000 H-1B's currently under Microsoft's serfdom. It is certain that this was more motivated and influenced by Microsoft heavy reliance on the tens of thousands of CSG's provided by the top outsourcing abusers of the H-1B, like Tata, Infosys, Wipro and their ilk.
Just have these H-1B workers train some native Americans to replace them.
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Are you are aware that many middle-eastern and other companies ban the use of Skype because the local telephone company owned by the Minister-of-this or Prince-of-that can't compete with it? We sell them networking gear that can block that traffic at the border.
I have a board member who does a lot of stuff in China. When in China I can't Skype him or use any of the other usually communication protocols.
Further, the use of encrypted VPNs is illegal for the obvious reason that it would allow getting around these subscriptions. You will get fined and thrown in jail if caught.
Lesson: Powers-That-Be that make their fortunes from selling or taxing phone service really really hate free communication over the Internet. And their displeasure will be known to you. As a result I if you want to work foreign you will have to travel.
Does it matter though? The countries you mentioned already implemented the background check system that the 7 did not implement. Do you expect that it has any bearing either? There are many muslim countries he has no business dealing with that were not in the ban, it is a conspiracy!
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?