We look at the facts. For every $ we pumped into the space program $100 came back. Not to mention all the EMPLOYMENT we got for high tech jobs. You don't think all that computer technology came from the internet do you?
It is about time we take on another LARGE task to help get this country somepride again, and to kick of a technological boom again.
As for Obama? Let's send him on a one way mission.....
I still have a functioning CH Products trackball at home. Still works after 15+ YEARS as a tool. Sure, I had to open it up and clean it inside a couple of times, but I have to do that more often with mice at work, so that shouldn't matter. I also had to get a PS/2 to USB convertor for the one I have (cheaper then buying a new trackball).
Agile does reduce some of the work on the developer staff, but we tried it here and it INCREASES the workload on the support staff by just about TRIPLING the workload. We threw it out.
to still use film like I do. And at, that to be using a film camera of a type rare enough that the police don't even have examples to compare to.... (40,000 or so made worldwide over 11 major models and 40 years. I own 5 of them across 3 models (well 2 models and 1 submodel) - Alpa of Swizterland. Look under Wikipedia and the photos are my cameras.)
1994, I was on insurance. I spent 60 days going from test to test to test. 3, 4 and 5 tests a day. Finally on Nov 10, they diagnosed my cancer (with all the wrong symptoms). The doctors told me I would have been dead by Christmas without treatment.
Under Universal Health Care, I would not have been able to get the battery of tests approved before Christmas.
Thus, Universal Health Care would have killed me.
Nobody gets screwed by big insurance anymore? How about screwed by the government? For my cancer care, I spent $1700 out of pocket, plus my normal premiums. But, how can I save $400 per month when I don't pay that much? And someone has to pay for it, so my TAXES go up, by way more than $400 per month.
So, let's see. Health care goes down, save $100 per month. Add $1700 onetime fee for Cancer. That year = $2900 saved.
Taxes go up, around $3000 that year to pay for health care - whoops - where's the savings now?
And finally, when big insurance tries to screw me, I have the government to complain to and to try and get to fix the issue. When Big Government IS the insurance, what happens then? You do know tha tyou have to get permission from the government to sue the government don't you?
So, crawl back under your rock and take your Universal Health Care with you. And maybe next time I will discuss the other time UHC would have kille dme.
For he can't interpret he real ads out there. Obama is slinging the mud as fast or faster then McCain, it's just hte MSM covering for him. And McCain is apoligizing for the ads that are bad and by people he can't contrl. Obama just waves his hand and "they don't matter", but never calls for them to stop.
No, the parent of this post is not evaluating reality, so mod him down.
It isn't about McCain's health care plan vs Obama's healthcare plan.
It's about Obama's plan vs what we hav enow. Now matter which one gets elected, the senate and house are going further left. As such, John McCain will not get his plan passed, but will be able to veto anythign coming out og Congress. Which means no change.
Obama will have that left congress and Universal Health Care will sail thru, and then we are all screwed. I think I might file an attempted murder charge against Pelosi if it does pass.
For know this, I have seen enough to know that the passage of universal health care *WILL* kill people who could be cured.
Where are you voting? My ballot had 13 candidates for president on it (with matching VP candidates all, so I didn't miscount).
And I am as pleased as can be that my next door neighbor has indicated that he is going to throw his vote to one of the 11 "also rans" instead of to Obama.
How long is it going to take you to re-write one program I wrote in the early 80's - 5700 lines that includes some lines written by a program before it (1200 lines) and compiled without human intervention every time it is run?
How about programs where even the source code was lost?
Many many COBOL programs do things that defy the ability to use a program to translate them, so it is all a hand effort.
And COBOL is very very good at moving data from point A to point B, especially text data.
And finally, COBOL was one of the first languages that would cross machines. (And even though it is very similar across machines, there are still subtle differences.)
Consider this:
01 variable-name Pic 99v9 comp-3.
Statement A: Move 1 to variable-name.
Statement B: Compute variable-name = 1.
Statement A will crash and burn on many compilers, except the IBM compiler. Statement B will work on all of the compilers.
However, when statement A crashes, most COBOL programmers look at it and can't even figure out why.
How many programmers can tell that difference who don't have the years of experience that a book will not give them?
enough data in any kind of real time to make this work.
Years ago, we were playing with a design of a system to track all the phone calls made on the AT&T network over a 3 month period. (not record the calls, just track the billing info). The machine that management wanted to try and do it on could not hold enough data just to store the data, let alone process it. And that was the largest theoretical model of hte machine there was (about 4 times the size fo the largest one in use at the time). They really needed one about 10 times as large as the largest theoretical one, just to store the data!
Multiple that by the rest of the items one buys during the day, and we can not track all the daa that is out there.
Why did they even waste the money to do the testing and the reports?
Actually, Nobama was a bumper sticker I saw the other day. I thought it was cute when I saw it.
FYI, John McCain wasn't my first choice either. But given the choice between the two of them, well, no contest.
Besides, I was throwing facts out there, which seemed to be lacking in this whole thread.
My vote was threatened by one of those court cases, I paid VERY close attention to it.
And after I said anything about Clinton, I figured the first person seeing thepost was going to mark it flamebait anyway, most of/. seems to be liberals anyway.
And then he never sent the form in, and NO records were released. Besides, the Boston Globe was in the tank for him, along with the LA Times and the AP.
The point being that John Kerry could not have been discharged in 1978. By law, he was discharged about 1975. But where is that discharge paper, and why get a new discharge in 1978 from the wrong agency. Only to get a pardon from the president, hmmm?
>Second, they showed that if there been a full statewide recount of all counties, Al Gore would have received more votes than Bush.
Bullsh*t
Full recount of all the votes showed that GORE lost. The only way he could have won was by a selective recount in the counties he was winning, which is the one way Al Gore did not want to recount.
Also, Orange county was conducting an illegal method of recounting, that was not giving correct results. The Orange County superviosr demonstrated on TV. He was determining BY EYE which marksense votes he thought were not being counted by the machine. Then he was recounting them by hand. NOT using the machine to determine which votes the machine could not read. It is called vote FRAUD and it ended up netting votes for Al Gore.
The only good thing about the idea of a Gore presidency is that he would not currently be on the Global Warming stick.
Gore and Kerry were both bad for the country. Heck, Clinton will go down in history as a lousy president (Yeah go ahead, mod me down, I have Karma to burn).
Now we have Nobama. Why do the Dems even bring up these guys - first a draft dodger (Clinton), then a nutcase environmentalist (Gore), and finally a traitor (Kerry) (And yes, there is proof - from Kerry's own website - that he was given a dishonorably discharge in the early 70's, if you know what to look for. That's why he won't release his military records.) And now Nobama, the empty suit. No experince, no achomplishments, no real plans.
And finally, Gore tried to have 25,000 ballots ruled invalid in Florida in the courts, including mine. Fortunately, the judges in those two districts put the kibash on that try. (Oh, and it wasn't 269 votes. Try more like 15,000 valid Bush votes tossed in Palm Beach county with someone who double punched the cards there. The proof is there, because someone also did it for the previous election - for Clinton).
Don't believe the media, they have their agenda to put out there, and it is overwhelmingly liberal. Me? I quit believing the media the day I had to call my local news station to inform them that the "reports of my death were greatly exaggerated".
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LIKE it has to be you - not that it will. If I write code like that, then my buddy can debug it at 4am and not have to call me to fix it. And if his code is like that, I can figure out what is wrong easily and not have to spend hours fixing it.
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Just write the code like it is YOU that has to debug it at 4am. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
We are a fortune 10 shop. We still do most stuff in COBOL. Recent numbers I saw would have us at 50,000+ packages Assuming duplicates, that is about 20,000 plus COBOL programs, just counting the stuff that accesses DB2, with more being created every day.
So, the count is there, and there ar emore shops then you guys care to admit.
COBOL will last until I retire, and probably after that.
I remember interviewing for a DBA job for a large firm, they had already flown me in for the day. Somehow in their requirements, they had that I must take a basic programming test. So, I took their silly test. The clerks in HR had to submit the test to some national database for grading, to find out I passed. Of course, I knew I had.
I was allowed a hour for the test, finished it in half that time, but was really annoyed by one question. See, the test assumed that there was one correct answer on the test, when in reality, the correct answer would have depended on a compile time switch in at least one language I was familiar with. Funny thing was, while I was done and leaving, the other guy who started the test at the same time was still struggling with it...
Of course, you want REALLY annoying looks? In cs100 we had common exams in college. Try being the first one done in an auditorium of 4-500 people and having to first deliver your test to the stage, then walking out past the glares of all the other people.....
Look, I was there under Clinton's terms. Of those 23 million jobs created? 6 of them were mine. Yes, 6 times I lost my job due to cutbacks by companies under Clinton's watch. Since Bush? I got a job just before he took office, and you know what? I'm still here.
Clinton had Y2K hiring people out the wazoo, but they were all consulting jobs. They all went away in the summer and fall of 2000. Remember the crash of the internet bubble?
The jobs Bush created are STILL here.
Slashdot, another liberal think tank, nothing to see here, move along.
Obama a good president? What are you smoking up there? John McCain may not be the best choice for President, but Obama ranks near the worst in history (Right next to Hillary).
If you want to get work in the US, then you better root for McCain, because Obama will cause a major recession (Government reports last week show the economy improving, and NOT in a recessaion, as the Democrats would have you believe).
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We look at the facts. For every $ we pumped into the space program $100 came back. Not to mention all the EMPLOYMENT we got for high tech jobs. You don't think all that computer technology came from the internet do you?
It is about time we take on another LARGE task to help get this country somepride again, and to kick of a technological boom again.
As for Obama? Let's send him on a one way mission.....
Regular crappy products. I never entered them on my EVIL company list, because they were already on my "Products don't work as advertised" list.
I had three products of theirs out of the first four I encountered that plain just didn't work as advertised. After that, I marked them "Don't buy".
I still have a functioning CH Products trackball at home. Still works after 15+ YEARS as a tool. Sure, I had to open it up and clean it inside a couple of times, but I have to do that more often with mice at work, so that shouldn't matter. I also had to get a PS/2 to USB convertor for the one I have (cheaper then buying a new trackball).
Got news for you, there are still active Wordstar users out there.
Wordperfect did nothing to win the war, Wordstar shot itself in the foot. Then, Wordstar died with the original author.
Agile does reduce some of the work on the developer staff, but we tried it here and it INCREASES the workload on the support staff by just about TRIPLING the workload. We threw it out.
to still use film like I do. And at, that to be using a film camera of a type rare enough that the police don't even have examples to compare to.... (40,000 or so made worldwide over 11 major models and 40 years. I own 5 of them across 3 models (well 2 models and 1 submodel) - Alpa of Swizterland. Look under Wikipedia and the photos are my cameras.)
Public health care implements quotas.
1994, I was on insurance. I spent 60 days going from test to test to test. 3, 4 and 5 tests a day. Finally on Nov 10, they diagnosed my cancer (with all the wrong symptoms). The doctors told me I would have been dead by Christmas without treatment.
Under Universal Health Care, I would not have been able to get the battery of tests approved before Christmas.
Thus, Universal Health Care would have killed me.
Nobody gets screwed by big insurance anymore? How about screwed by the government? For my cancer care, I spent $1700 out of pocket, plus my normal premiums. But, how can I save $400 per month when I don't pay that much? And someone has to pay for it, so my TAXES go up, by way more than $400 per month.
So, let's see. Health care goes down, save $100 per month. Add $1700 onetime fee for Cancer. That year = $2900 saved.
Taxes go up, around $3000 that year to pay for health care - whoops - where's the savings now?
And finally, when big insurance tries to screw me, I have the government to complain to and to try and get to fix the issue. When Big Government IS the insurance, what happens then? You do know tha tyou have to get permission from the government to sue the government don't you?
So, crawl back under your rock and take your Universal Health Care with you. And maybe next time I will discuss the other time UHC would have kille dme.
For he can't interpret he real ads out there. Obama is slinging the mud as fast or faster then McCain, it's just hte MSM covering for him. And McCain is apoligizing for the ads that are bad and by people he can't contrl. Obama just waves his hand and "they don't matter", but never calls for them to stop.
No, the parent of this post is not evaluating reality, so mod him down.
It isn't about McCain's health care plan vs Obama's healthcare plan.
It's about Obama's plan vs what we hav enow. Now matter which one gets elected, the senate and house are going further left. As such, John McCain will not get his plan passed, but will be able to veto anythign coming out og Congress. Which means no change.
Obama will have that left congress and Universal Health Care will sail thru, and then we are all screwed. I think I might file an attempted murder charge against Pelosi if it does pass.
For know this, I have seen enough to know that the passage of universal health care *WILL* kill people who could be cured.
Where are you voting? My ballot had 13 candidates for president on it (with matching VP candidates all, so I didn't miscount).
And I am as pleased as can be that my next door neighbor has indicated that he is going to throw his vote to one of the 11 "also rans" instead of to Obama.
That's easy - global warming.
It's so cold here now, I don't even need flame retardent underwear for the undeserved flames this will generate.
How long is it going to take you to re-write one program I wrote in the early 80's - 5700 lines that includes some lines written by a program before it (1200 lines) and compiled without human intervention every time it is run?
How about programs where even the source code was lost?
Many many COBOL programs do things that defy the ability to use a program to translate them, so it is all a hand effort.
And COBOL is very very good at moving data from point A to point B, especially text data.
And finally, COBOL was one of the first languages that would cross machines. (And even though it is very similar across machines, there are still subtle differences.)
Consider this:
01 variable-name Pic 99v9 comp-3.
Statement A: Move 1 to variable-name.
Statement B: Compute variable-name = 1.
Statement A will crash and burn on many compilers, except the IBM compiler.
Statement B will work on all of the compilers.
However, when statement A crashes, most COBOL programmers look at it and can't even figure out why.
How many programmers can tell that difference who don't have the years of experience that a book will not give them?
Totally and 100% BS on both your post and the one that started this thread.
The writers of the studies are projecting their own biases.
enough data in any kind of real time to make this work.
Years ago, we were playing with a design of a system to track all the phone calls made on the AT&T network over a 3 month period. (not record the calls, just track the billing info). The machine that management wanted to try and do it on could not hold enough data just to store the data, let alone process it. And that was the largest theoretical model of hte machine there was (about 4 times the size fo the largest one in use at the time). They really needed one about 10 times as large as the largest theoretical one, just to store the data!
Multiple that by the rest of the items one buys during the day, and we can not track all the daa that is out there.
Why did they even waste the money to do the testing and the reports?
Actually, Nobama was a bumper sticker I saw the other day. I thought it was cute when I saw it.
FYI, John McCain wasn't my first choice either. But given the choice between the two of them, well, no contest.
Besides, I was throwing facts out there, which seemed to be lacking in this whole thread.
My vote was threatened by one of those court cases, I paid VERY close attention to it.
And after I said anything about Clinton, I figured the first person seeing thepost was going to mark it flamebait anyway, most of /. seems to be liberals anyway.
And then he never sent the form in, and NO records were released. Besides, the Boston Globe was in the tank for him, along with the LA Times and the AP.
The point being that John Kerry could not have been discharged in 1978. By law, he was discharged about 1975. But where is that discharge paper, and why get a new discharge in 1978 from the wrong agency. Only to get a pardon from the president, hmmm?
>Second, they showed that if there been a full statewide recount of all counties, Al Gore would have received more votes than Bush.
Bullsh*t
Full recount of all the votes showed that GORE lost. The only way he could have won was by a selective recount in the counties he was winning, which is the one way Al Gore did not want to recount.
Also, Orange county was conducting an illegal method of recounting, that was not giving correct results. The Orange County superviosr demonstrated on TV. He was determining BY EYE which marksense votes he thought were not being counted by the machine. Then he was recounting them by hand. NOT using the machine to determine which votes the machine could not read. It is called vote FRAUD and it ended up netting votes for Al Gore.
The only good thing about the idea of a Gore presidency is that he would not currently be on the Global Warming stick.
Gore and Kerry were both bad for the country. Heck, Clinton will go down in history as a lousy president (Yeah go ahead, mod me down, I have Karma to burn).
Now we have Nobama. Why do the Dems even bring up these guys - first a draft dodger (Clinton), then a nutcase environmentalist (Gore), and finally a traitor (Kerry) (And yes, there is proof - from Kerry's own website - that he was given a dishonorably discharge in the early 70's, if you know what to look for. That's why he won't release his military records.) And now Nobama, the empty suit. No experince, no achomplishments, no real plans.
And finally, Gore tried to have 25,000 ballots ruled invalid in Florida in the courts, including mine. Fortunately, the judges in those two districts put the kibash on that try. (Oh, and it wasn't 269 votes. Try more like 15,000 valid Bush votes tossed in Palm Beach county with someone who double punched the cards there. The proof is there, because someone also did it for the previous election - for Clinton).
Don't believe the media, they have their agenda to put out there, and it is overwhelmingly liberal. Me? I quit believing the media the day I had to call my local news station to inform them that the "reports of my death were greatly exaggerated".
LIKE it has to be you - not that it will. If I write code like that, then my buddy can debug it at 4am and not have to call me to fix it. And if his code is like that, I can figure out what is wrong easily and not have to spend hours fixing it.
Just write the code like it is YOU that has to debug it at 4am. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
We are a fortune 10 shop. We still do most stuff in COBOL. Recent numbers I saw would have us at 50,000+ packages Assuming duplicates, that is about 20,000 plus COBOL programs, just counting the stuff that accesses DB2, with more being created every day.
So, the count is there, and there ar emore shops then you guys care to admit.
COBOL will last until I retire, and probably after that.
I remember interviewing for a DBA job for a large firm, they had already flown me in for the day. Somehow in their requirements, they had that I must take a basic programming test. So, I took their silly test. The clerks in HR had to submit the test to some national database for grading, to find out I passed. Of course, I knew I had.
I was allowed a hour for the test, finished it in half that time, but was really annoyed by one question. See, the test assumed that there was one correct answer on the test, when in reality, the correct answer would have depended on a compile time switch in at least one language I was familiar with. Funny thing was, while I was done and leaving, the other guy who started the test at the same time was still struggling with it...
Of course, you want REALLY annoying looks? In cs100 we had common exams in college. Try being the first one done in an auditorium of 4-500 people and having to first deliver your test to the stage, then walking out past the glares of all the other people.....
Don't forget STSplus, for those still stuck in the DOS age.
And it has features for those wanting to track the Space Shuttle live.
And can looks like the big board at Mission control, or has a rotating earth - user choice.
Look, I was there under Clinton's terms. Of those 23 million jobs created? 6 of them were mine. Yes, 6 times I lost my job due to cutbacks by companies under Clinton's watch. Since Bush? I got a job just before he took office, and you know what? I'm still here.
Clinton had Y2K hiring people out the wazoo, but they were all consulting jobs. They all went away in the summer and fall of 2000. Remember the crash of the internet bubble?
The jobs Bush created are STILL here.
Slashdot, another liberal think tank, nothing to see here, move along.
Obama a good president? What are you smoking up there? John McCain may not be the best choice for President, but Obama ranks near the worst in history (Right next to Hillary).
If you want to get work in the US, then you better root for McCain, because Obama will cause a major recession (Government reports last week show the economy improving, and NOT in a recessaion, as the Democrats would have you believe).