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The Greatest Scientific Hoaxes?

Ponca City, We love you writes "The New Scientist has an amusing story about the seven greatest scientific hoaxes of all time. Of course, there have been serious cases of scientific fraud, such as the stem cell researchers recently found guilty of falsifying data, and the South Korean cloning fraud, but the hoaxes selected point more to human gullibility than malevolence and include the Piltdown Man (constructed from a medieval human cranium); a ten-foot "petrified man" dug up on a small farm in Cardiff; fossils 'found' in Wurzburg, Germany depicting comets, moons and suns, Alan Sokal's paper loaded with nonsensical jargon that was accepted by the journal Social Text; the claim of the Upas tree on the island of Java so poisonous that it killed everything within a 15-mile radius; and Johann Heinrich Cohausen's claim of an elixir produced by collecting the breath of young women in bottles that produced immortality. Our favorite: BBC's broadcast in 1957 about the spaghetti tree in Switzerland that showed a family harvesting pasta that hung from the branches of the tree. After watching the program, hundreds of people phoned in asking how they could grow their own tree but, alas, the program turned out to be an April Fools' Day joke." What massive scientific hoaxes/jokes have other people witnessed?

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  1. E-Meter? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    What massive scientific hoaxes/jokes have other people witnessed?

    E-meter comes to mind.

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    1. Re:E-Meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      [This comment removed due to a copyright violation of the Church of Scientology.]

    2. Re:E-Meter? by Kleen13 · · Score: 1

      This would be worth mod points. I needed a good chuckle.

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    3. Re:E-Meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      man made global warming, obviously

    4. Re:E-Meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anthropogenic global warming...

    5. Re:E-Meter? by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Informative

      In case anybody missed it, the "Church" of Scientology successfully censored Slashdot. Using the DMCA, which is currently being praised on the front page of Slashdot right now.

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    6. Re:E-Meter? by marafa · · Score: 0

      you sir, must be the einstein of comedy!

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    7. Re:E-Meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "In case anybody missed it, the "Church" of Scientology successfully censored Slashdot"

      Its always facinated me the depth of their hypocrisy, in how they relentlessly suppress people and their opinions, yet this group consider suppressive people as extremely bad. Their paradoxical behaviour is completely morally corrupt thinking (because they fail to see how they themselves behave) and then they wonder why people call them a cult.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_person

    8. Re:E-Meter? by edittard · · Score: 1

      Not many people know it, but Cowboy Neal is actually the son of L Ro
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    9. Re:E-Meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOOOOOOOOO!

    10. Re:E-Meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PISS on the Church of Scientology!!!! Who cares. what would the world be if Christians, or Muslims got to censor what was said all the time. FREEDOM of Speech? where did that go? if your faith isn't strong enough to stand up to some remarks you shouldn't be believing anything. That crap pisses me off.

  2. Pride Breeds Ignorance by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I saw a discovery channel special on the Piltdown Man, it was quite interesting. They had a very romantic story of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle striking back at the scientific community by way of this hoax as he wished to point out just how clueless they often were.

    Hilariously enough, it bit L. Ron Hubbard in the ass too:

    Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard met less fortunate timing, listing Piltdown Man as one of the ancestors of humanity in his book Scientology: A History of Man, and describing him as having "enormous" teeth and being "quite careless as to whom and what he bit." Piltdown Man would be exposed as a hoax just months after the publication of Hubbard's book.

    I am not a historian but I find it hilarious that British, German and French scientists were rejecting claims of early human fossils in Indonesia or Africa on the grounds that their pride in being the origin of life. Instead they were pointing at anything and everything they could find on their own soil as the beginning of life. What made the Piltdown Man such a great hoax is that because of the mounting tension between European super powers leading up to World War I the British were grasping for anything to prove that humans originated in the UK (which, of course, is far from true). And here was this convenient find, an anomaly in the fossil record--but who cared? The British now had evidence of early humans on UK soil with large cranial regions (which they associated with intelligence). Prime minister, we must not allow an origins of our species gap!

    All this stupid pride of who stood on the birthplace of humanity blinded so many intelligent people. If I recall correctly the Piltdown Man fragments were hilariously rudimentary painted lower jawbone of an orangutan combined with the skull of a fully developed, modern man. Let this be a lesson to anyone who lets emotions, national pride & religion get in the way of science.

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    1. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by puppetman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Funny that you should mention Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (though I thought he was only suspected as being behind the hoax). If he was behind it, it would be quite ironic - while he made some members of the scientific community out to be fools, he was made a fool in an equally amusing spiritual hoax (he was quite a spiritualist).

      The Cottingly Fairies ranks up there as one of the longest running hoaxes (with some still claiming today that they were real), and ACD was a believer to the extent that he published a book on the subject, called, "The Coming of the Fairies".

    2. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by piltdownman84 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Piltdown Man is alive and well Sincerely, Piltdown Man

    3. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oog no ask to be thawed out!

      Oog perfectly happy embedded in ice...

    4. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Prime minister, we must not allow an origins of our species gap!

      The British aren't alone in this. China, for instace, tries to make the case that Peking Man (Homo erectus pekinensis), a real hominid, is the direct ancestor of the modern Chinese race, while the rest of us are lower on the tree, coming from Africa.

      Japanese also have an exaggerated sense of their own antiquity and separateness. Shinichi Fujimura made a career out of planting and then "discovering" Stone Age artifacts and fossils.

    5. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by spike1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The cottingly fairies were one of the most pathetically executed hoaxes ever.

      Back when I was a kid was when I first saw the pictures of those paper cutout fairies dancing around a little girl and the fakeness of it leapt out of the page.

      They LOOK like they're made of paper!

      How anyone could've fallen for that astounds me.
      The only reason people probably DID fall for it was because Doyle was a gullible fool desperate for anything to prove there was more to life than just "this". (spiritualists, et al).

    6. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      China, for instace, tries to make the case that Peking Man (Homo erectus pekinensis), a real hominid, is the direct ancestor of the modern Chinese race, while the rest of us are lower on the tree, coming from Africa.

      This is one of these things that I can't see how anyone can believe. Humans are all one species, given that humans of all races can interbreed. If we had more than one origin I can't see how this could be true. Different origins to me imply different species and different species mean no interbreeding.

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    7. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1, Interesting

      China, for instace, tries to make the case that Peking Man (Homo erectus pekinensis), a real hominid, is the direct ancestor of the modern Chinese race, while the rest of us are lower on the tree, coming from Africa.

      Scary if true. Unfortunately, a lot of Chinese (not all of course, I'm talking politics, not race) are becoming very nationalistic and developing a sense of their own inherent superiority. As they become a dominant economic and military power, enough might start believing the Peking Man idea.

      One of the ideas (if I understand correctly) behind the Aryan Master Race idea that the Nazis had was that the Germanic people were descended from an Atlantean god race, while Jews and others were descended from apes. They wanted to purify their blood by ridding themselves of all non-German genes, thus purifying and perfecting the Aryan race. With an idea like the Peking Man, the same sort of thing is possible. It is wholly unscientific, but that won't stop tons of people from believing it. I mean, look at the old European idea of the White Man's Burden and all the Americans who think they are somehow exceptional in the world.

    8. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by laejoh · · Score: 0

      It's not just funny, it's elementary dear puppetman!

    9. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a great story. Now I wonder where the term Caucasian came from?

    10. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Vagnaard · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of a Tigon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigon or a Liger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger ? Interbreedability is a ... weird thing.

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    11. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by I'm+not+really+here · · Score: 1

      Well, a poodle can mate with a greyhound, and they are different species, right?

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    12. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Nope, same species.

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    13. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      IIRC the definition of species is can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. With Tigons and Ligers only the females are fertile, as wikipedia puts it

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species#Difficulty_of_defining_.22species.22_and_identifying_particular_species
      There is considerable variation in the degree to which hybridization may succeed under natural and experimental conditions, or even in the degree to which some organisms use sexual reproduction between individuals to breed. Some hybrids, e.g., mules, hinnies, ligers and tigons, apparently cannot produce offspring when mated with one of their own kind (e.g. a mule with a mule), but sometimes do produce offspring when mated with members of one of the parent species (e.g. a liger with a lion). Usually in such hybrids the males are sterile, so one could improve the basic textbook definition by changing "... whose interbreeding produces fertile offspring" to "... whose interbreeding produces offspring in which both sexes are normally fertile".

      Human races don't produce infertile males when they interbreed, so you can't make a case they are different species.

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    14. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      British were grasping for anything to prove that humans originated in the UK (which, of course, is far from true).

      is far from true when measured against the information we hold today, but there's still occasional challenges to the out of africa theory and while it would cause surprise to find a SE Asia origin, it wouldn't be Earth Shattering, nor would a mid-EU origin be particularly surprising considering the hoopla over the other almost human species that roamed the earth more recently

    15. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      Excellent post, shame about the cretin who modded you down, he was probably just a republican though and they are far lower down the evolutionary ladder than any ape.

      (Now, that was a troll - learn the difference)

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    16. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      but an elephant and a pig...

    17. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Two things.

      One - Photographs made by the public where still quite rare at the time. People trusted them. Much like people trust there computer.

      Two - People who want to believe blindly do just that.

      How many peple thought the a blue image moving around the gas station proved the existence of ghosts?

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    18. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      The older of the two girls, when young anyway, looked to be about 5'10" with long dark hair, gorgeous face, and full kissy lips. She'd've probably been a supermodel today.

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    19. Re:Pride Breeds Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you should have stayed awake in biology class.

  3. Cold fusion by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's such a great hoax that there are still people who believe it! :-)

    1. Re:Cold fusion by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      While we are talking about power, how about Steorn?

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    2. Re:Cold fusion by BigGar' · · Score: 2, Informative

      While cold fusion may not work there's nothing in the Wikipedia article, at least, to indicate that it was a hoax. Perhaps Pons & Fleischmann could have been more rigorous in their methodology and waiting for other labs to reproduce their results certainly would have been a good idea. there doesn't seem to have be any malice on their part to perpetuate a hoax. Sloppy science or perhaps not accounting for all the possible ways energy could be leaking into the system certainly, but it does not appear to be a hoax.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

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    3. Re:Cold fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've one even better. The Female G-Spot. As we all know here at slashdot, women do not exist (beyond the ones that James Tobias Kirk sex'd up). If women are not real, there could never be a magical pleasure button to find!

    4. Re:Cold fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...James Tobias Kirk...

      s/obia/iberiu/

    5. Re:Cold fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I do agree that Steorn is a joke (based on models I have seen), there are many other devices that show great promise. There are many people who have claimed to have successfully developed perpetual motion devices. For the last 2 years I have been working on a generator myself that shows great potential.

      Nikola Tesla (in my opinion the greatest inventor to have ever lived) supposedly had invented what he called "Cold Electricity"

      I don't believe anything is impossible. Just look back 100 years and look at what has been invented. Very few new "great" inventions come out these days. Mostly just improvements on old technology invented 50+ years ago. I think we are in an innovation dark age!

    6. Re:Cold fusion by SleptThroughClass · · Score: 1

      Well, there used to be many steam engines roaring around the countryside, but that stopped once steam power was shown to be a hoax. Also, coal mines.. what? Steom? Like what winds a watch? No? Oh, never mind then.

    7. Re:Cold Fusion by avandesande · · Score: 1

      polywater
      ether (electromagnetic)
      phrenology
      radium water

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    8. Re:Cold fusion by harp2812 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't believe anything is impossible.

      With the possible exception of skiing through a revolving door.

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    9. Re:Cold fusion by Noren · · Score: 1

      Back at the height of the mania, a May 3, 1989 NYT article reported that the fiasco was a result of bad science rather than of ill intent:

      Dr. Steven E. Koonin of Caltech called the Utah report a result of "the incompetence and delusion of Pons and Fleischmann."

    10. Re:Cold fusion by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

      Tiberius

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    11. Re:Cold fusion by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      With the possible exception of skiing through a revolving door.

      I can envision a solution for very small values of ski lengths. Or for high values of speed.

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    12. Re:Cold fusion by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      I never believed it. I mean, a web development platform even worse than PHP? How gullible do you think I am?

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    13. Re:Cold fusion by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      If you've never heard of special relativity, then yeah, I can see that.

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    14. Re:Cold fusion by ben0207 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or indeed, very sturdy skiers.

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    15. Re:Cold fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please return your geek card immediately ... James TIBERIUS Kirk, for f*ck sakes!!

    16. Re:Cold fusion by erlando · · Score: 1

      "Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics".

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    17. Re:Cold fusion by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Tobias? Is he any relation to James Tiberius Kirk?

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    18. Re:Cold fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course women do exist, and your joke was funny haha, but you have showed an extraordinary amount of ignorance by implying that the G-spot is like a button that you simply just press and viola orgasm^2. No wonder why so many /.ers get no girls.

    19. Re:Cold fusion by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "I don't believe anything is impossible. "

      then you are in idiot bound to be suckered out of your hard earned cash.

      "Very few new "great" inventions come out these days. "

      Keep looking, there have been many in the last 50 years.
      Off the top of my head:
      A vaccines for a cancer.
      Actually, there ahve been a boat load of innovations in the medical industry. Thing that weren't even dreamt of 50 years ago.
      The internet

      Battery technology.
      Solar technology.
      Fab technology.

      All inventions are based on what came before to some degree.

      What happened 50 years ago that was totally unique?

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    20. Re:Cold fusion by dwye · · Score: 1

      > (beyond the ones that James Tobias Kirk sex'd up) That's James Tiberius Kirk, AC.

    21. Re:Cold fusion by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      While I do agree that Steorn is a joke (based on models I have seen), there are many other devices that show great promise. There are many people who have claimed to have successfully developed perpetual motion devices.

      Yes, unfortunately every single one of those claims have been proven false. In order to create energy you need to have a universe where the physical laws differ based on location: you have to break the translational symmetry of space-time. This throws relativity out the window. Given that relativity is the most accurately tested scientific principle ever I have extreme doubts that you, or some Irish company, have proven it not true. It is about as believable as claiming you have found faeries at the bottom of your garden.

  4. Intelligent Design? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But, then again, I guess its not actually science...

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    1. Re:Intelligent Design? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it isn't science, it's philosophy and as such isn't a hoax.

    2. Re:Intelligent Design? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's fiction attempted by some to be passed as fact. Therefore a hoax.

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    3. Re:Intelligent Design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Philosophy is a form of science, so no, ID definitely is *not* philosophy. More like idiocy.

    4. Re:Intelligent Design? by rrohbeck · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it isn't science, it's philosophy and as such isn't a hoax.

      It pretends to be science, so it pretends to be a hoax, which means it isn't really one, so it is true.
      Don't dare to dispute me, I remember my Mathematical Logic classes!

    5. Re:Intelligent Design? by thermian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Philosophy is a form of science, so no, ID definitely is *not* philosophy. More like idiocy.

      I hate to be seeming to defend ID, but a philosophical stance need not be provable, so ID can be a valid philosophy.

      Of course a philosophical idea can also be a load of rancid donkey bollocks too...

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    6. Re:Intelligent Design? by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How the hell did that get modded "troll"?

      "Intelligent design" is the biggest "scientific hoax" ever devised. These people have literally taken creationist ideas and literature, and re-packaged them to look like a scientific theory.

      Now, if we were talking about creationism, then ok, it's not a scientific hoax because it doesn't pretend to be scientific. But ID? It should be at the TOP of this list!

    7. Re:Intelligent Design? by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between fact and belief, although the less intellectually honest people will try to say that their beliefs are equivalent to fact.

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    8. Re:Intelligent Design? by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It is not really that good of a hoax. The argumentations are really poor, and anyone with three live neurons can see through it.

      That IDers have been so successfull (in the US) means little more that the people they have managed to convince are dumb.

    9. Re:Intelligent Design? by edsousa · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Intelligent design" is the biggest "scientific hoax" ever devised.

      You can't claim that. You can argue that science didn't prove "Intelligent design" as the start of our universe. But evolution wasn't proved either.

      So, for me, intelligent design is no more hoax than darwinism.

      And BTW, the intelligent design only defends that randomness was not a factor in the beginning of universe and life on Earth.

    10. Re:Intelligent Design? by Sancho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A few points.

      1) Darwinism doesn't purport to explain the start of the universe.

      2) Few things are considered proven in science. The general test to determine if a theory is scientific is whether or not a test can be devised which would disprove the theory. Evolution could be disproven. Intelligent design can never be disproven. Ergo, its status as a scientific theory is highly questionable.

      3) Intelligent design goes way farther than the beginning of life on Earth or of the universe. One of the classic examples of an ID argument is that the eye is too complex to have evolved "randomly". That's pretty far removed from the issue of the beginning of life.

    11. Re:Intelligent Design? by db32 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Go do your homework on what ID really is. The whole "Intelligent Design" terminology is designed specifically to fool people like you. I got into this with someone else the other day. What YOU are talking about is Theistic Evolution, which is even supported by ACTUAL renouned scientsit Francis Collins and does not attack any of the science of evolution.

      Intelligent Design relies on that pseudoscience nonsense of "irreducable complexity" and their text book Pandas and People shows almost a word for word replacement of God/Creator and Intelligent Design/Creationism after the court ruled that God/Creationism couldn't be taught as science. You sir have been duped by the fundie agenda, which is EXACTLY why they approached it as "Intelligent Design". It is hidden right in the name, that humans are too complex to have evolved so they must have been designed by an intelligent creator.

      So no, Intelligent Design does not "only defend that randomness was not a factor". It advocates that life as we know it is too complex to have evolved naturally. And again, what you are talking about is represented in Theistic Evolution or BioLogos as Francis Collins calls it. Intelligent Design is indeed a scientific hoax. Worse than that it uses word play and politics to seem legitimate to the casual observer.

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    12. Re:Intelligent Design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Philosophy isn't a form of science.

      Fixed that for you.

    13. Re:Intelligent Design? by dlt074 · · Score: 1

      so "intelligent design" is to the right what "global climate change" is to the left. one can be openly challenged in the light of day and the other is sacred, because the "scientific consensus" is in. i'm more concerned about the cause that crushes honest questioning and decent.

    14. Re:Intelligent Design? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Please give proof that humans aren't involved in global warming. (IMHO, "climate change" is just a euphemism to avoid talking about the real problem.)

      See "An Inconvenient Truth". He shows that we _have_ had cyclic heating & cooling cycles of the earth and CO2 levels in the atmosphere, but the change in the recent past GREATLY outweighs anything that happened before it. He cleverly has to get on a lift to point out the top of the graph.

    15. Re:Intelligent Design? by c6gunner · · Score: 1, Troll

      I never said it was a good hoax, I said it was the biggest hoax. No hoax is ever "good" in the sense that it's constructed well enough to fool people who know how to think critically. Most of them play to the lowest common denominator, or play to emotions and feelings which are innate to mankind. What sets apart hoaxes is how well they exploit our weaknesses. And ID is amongst the best in that sense. The basic marketing behind it is the concept of fairness and equality. We're told we need to teach ID because "evolution is just a theory", and because we need to expose our children to the debate so they can make up their own minds about what to believe. Of course, that argument carries no water with those who understand the difference between a scientific theory and an untested (and untestable) belief, but the marketing tactic is ingenious because it appeals to everyone's desire for fairness and open-mindedness.

      Of course, now that ID has taken a beating in the courts, they've moved on to an even better version, which is "teach the flaws of evolution". That particular ploy has the advantage of casting doubt on evolutionary theory using creationist dogma, without once mentioning the words "creation" or "designer".

      You gotta give it to 'em - they're not a stupid bunch. They're devious as fuck, totally closed-minded, and ignorant of the basic concept of logic, but they're not stupid by any means.

    16. Re:Intelligent Design? by db32 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I wouldn't call that clever, I would call it political grandstanding by a politico who is struggling to be relevant while spending at least half the movie taking cheap shots at Bush. Not that I don't enjoy a good cheap shot at Bush, but that is hardly the place to do it. Further, this is EXACTLY why this whole thing is championed by ultraliberal and dismissed by ultraconservative. Once again...political grandstanding instead of serious scientific discourse

      The lefties get their little pet champions and trot them out with cherry picked evidence presentations, the right wingers fund a ton of pseudoscience stuff to counter that, and at the end of the day it is reduced to nothing more than a vehicle for vote gathering rather than an issue being addressed.

      No my friend...Al Gore is a damned tool and only serves to muddy the water with his nonsense. I will even admit that the video is nowhere as outlandish as the right wingers claim it is, but it still is little more than political grandstanding by someone trying to be relevant. It would have been nice if it was a real presentation with real scientific views rather than stupid jokes about how he should have been president or childhood stories.

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    17. Re:Intelligent Design? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      You can't claim that. You can argue that science didn't prove "Intelligent design" as the start of our universe. But evolution wasn't proved either.

      Neither was the theory of gravity, not the theory of Electromagnetic Wave Propagation, nor the Magnetic Field Theory. I think you better tie yourself down to something and stop using your computer before it unexpectedly blows up and you go flying off into space.

      So, for me, intelligent design is no more hoax than darwinism.

      Well, that's fine. I'm not sure what Darwinism is, so I'll take your word on it.

      And BTW, the intelligent design only defends that randomness was not a factor in the beginning of universe and life on Earth.

      No, ID says "life was designed in it's current form". It makes no allowance for anything except what they call "micro-evolution". If you don't understand that, then you haven't actually read any ID "literature".

    18. Re:Intelligent Design? by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      so "intelligent design" is to the right what "global climate change" is to the left. one can be openly challenged in the light of day and the other is sacred, because the "scientific consensus" is in. i'm more concerned about the cause that crushes honest questioning and decent.

      Science is neither right nor left. Intelligent design is, by it's very design (pardon the pun) aimed at people who are very religious; people who also happen to lean right on the political spectrum.

      The science behind global warming is pretty simple - increased CO2 levels cause increased heat absorption. That's a fact. Where you stand on the political spectrum won't change it, any more than your political position will change the force of gravity. Whether human CO2 emissions are drastically affecting the earths climate is a different question, and one which has not been settled with any degree of certainty.

      There is no question that we are having SOME effect. The real question is how much, and whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

      So to correct your earlier statement, it would be safe to say that the Cult of Al Gore is to the left what ID is to the right; global warming as a scientific field of study, though, has nothing in common with either. The fact that some political groups have hijacked the name, doesn't invalidate the science.

    19. Re:Intelligent Design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree with you on that, even though I vehemently am against ID.

      Of course, nothing remotely philosophical should be taught as fact in public school =)
      nor have any impact in political choices....

    20. Re:Intelligent Design? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      but manbearpig is real...

    21. Re:Intelligent Design? by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      That is true, but then science is not provable either (so far). It's just backed by evidence of whatever model you have, which is the best anyone can do until you can mathematically necessitate things. Philosophers don't really have this notion. Which is why, in many cases, when philosophers start talking about things that involve the real world, their ideas tend to be a load of rancid donkey bollocks at the core, and the conclusions they draw from them (which tend to be the highlight of the philosophical discussion) are simply not worthy of being discussed.

      Simply put: philosophy should be the realm of scientists, not people talking out of their ass and arguing at a level while the real problem with what they're saying is entirely at another.

      Don't get me wrong - logicians are perfectly reasonable in what they say, because they speak the language of math, and thus say sensible AND provable things. But how can you talk about 'the human mind' and 'life', and many other fun things, when you have no real grasp of what they are? How can you be born blind yet be expected to paint the world for those who can see?

    22. Re:Intelligent Design? by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A hoax requires the intent to present something one knows to be false. The folks promoting Intelligent Design believe it to be true. They're not lying... they're merely mistaken.

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    23. Re:Intelligent Design? by mattack2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He *does* give real science in the movie, that's my point. While you call it "political grandstanding", it does show that what has happened since the industrial revolution FAR outweighs the natural temperature cycles.

    24. Re:Intelligent Design? by againjj · · Score: 2, Informative

      And BTW, the intelligent design only defends that randomness was not a factor in the beginning of universe and life on Earth.

      No, ID says "life was designed in it's current form". It makes no allowance for anything except what they call "micro-evolution". If you don't understand that, then you haven't actually read any ID "literature".

      Ahhhh! No, ID does not say "life was designed in it's [sic] current form". It says "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection." In other words, the current state of biological complexity could not have about without some direction from an outside force beyond randomness and evolutionary pressure. Some IDers combine this with creationism, others do not. Creationism says "life was designed in its current form", not ID.

      However, that said, ID is not science, as it is not falsifiable. Science says "there is evolution, and this is the path taken". ID says, "this is why the current state can exist". Taken farther, one can say, "sequences of variations cause macro evolution", and then say "there was a designer causing that sequence of variations" without a contradiction, because the two statements do not occupy the same intellectual space. As someone said above, ID is philosophy (specifically, religion), while evolution is biology.

    25. Re:Intelligent Design? by gillbates · · Score: 1

      I agree, it shouldn't be modded troll, but I guess that's just because I've got a wider perspective than many. I don't count honest opinion, however offensive, as troll material. I guess I'm old enough to have a higher standard for trolls, you know, the posts specifically and cleverly crafted to create a particular response... but I digress. Now get off my lawn!

      ID is not a hoax - there's no intent to deceive. Regardless of whether you accept the arguments or not, or whether they have any merit, there's never been any scientific fraud going on. Instead, what trips up most people is that ID proponents are scientists arguing philosophical positions based on their scientific knowledge. Some people just can't wrap their head around the thought that a scientist might abandon the scientific method and wax philosophical once in a while...

      And on that note, let's not forget that all of science is based on a philosophical fallacy; after the fact, therefore because of the fact.... And does anyone have to harp on correlation does not equal causation? Yet these are the foundation upon which modern science is built, and while it may be a very good model, and even better way to bet, it doesn't prove anything. And in spite of this, some people put it (science) up on a pedestal as if no scientific theory has ever been wrong... If ID is a hoax, then all of science even moreso. It can be wrong, but it is not a hoax - its proponents really, honestly believe it.

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    26. Re:Intelligent Design? by quenda · · Score: 1, Troll

      The folks promoting Intelligent Design believe it to be true. They're not lying... they're merely mistaken.

      Then they are lying about having proof? A flimsy distinction, a bit like the WMDs.
      Were the neocons not lying because they believed their own BS?

    27. Re:Intelligent Design? by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It says "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."

      Well, no, you'd have to take out the phrase "best explained", since ID basically hinges on the idea that design is the ONLY possible explanation for certain phenomena. That's their entire case - "such and such is too complex to have evolved, ergo DESIGNER!".

      In other words, the current state of biological complexity could not have [come] about without some direction from an outside force beyond randomness and evolutionary pressure

      That's a bit watered-down. ID-ers argue that everything from the Bacterial Flagellum to the eyeball is irreducibly complex. That implies, at the very least, that the bacterial flagellum was designed in it's current form, and that the half-dozen various major types of eyeballs were all designed in their current form. The implication is that this "designer" creates things the way he wants them, and that any major changes in species cannot happen without outside interference.

      At the very least they are saying that speciation doesn't happen without interference, which is essentially the same thing as saying that "god" creates species. I may have been a bit extreme with my earlier summation, but it's fairly close to what their actual argument is. And I was certainly a lot closer than "edsousas" claim that ID "only defends that randomness was not a factor in the beginning of universe and life on Earth".

      Taken farther, one can say, "sequences of variations cause macro evolution", and then say "there was a designer causing that sequence of variations" without a contradiction, because the two statements do not occupy the same intellectual space.

      Sure. Let me reword my earlier statement then:

      No, ID says "life was designed and constantly redesigned until it was finally designed in its current form".

      Better? :)

      It's semantics. Whether this "designer" created earlier versions or not is irrelevant, as long as you keep claiming that he's still designing. If I say that engineers at IBM designed the P3, that doesn't mean they didn't also design the P4 "in it's current form". It just means they made an earlier version before they made the new one. I'm still not allowing for the possibility of the P3 evolving into the P4 through natural selection.

      And yes, I know that analogy probably sucks, but it's the best I can do at the moment ...

    28. Re:Intelligent Design? by quenda · · Score: 1

      That is true, but then science is not provable either (so far). It's just backed by evidence of whatever model you have,

      You seem to be confusing science proof with mathematical proof. Mathematical proofs are based on axioms, and exist within precisely defined formal systems.
      Science is not so precise, but based on agreed real-world observations. So scientific "truths" are provable and absolute, but to limited accuracy. Newtons laws are still true to the extent they always were, even though we have a better model now.

      Perhaps you might say that science will never be "perfect and pure", like maths?

    29. Re:Intelligent Design? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I've always thought ID and a lot of other things like Cold Fusion are more wishful thinking than true hoaxes. Since they claim to 'prove' something that some people want to believe those people overlook the holes in the theory.

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    30. Re:Intelligent Design? by Plutonite · · Score: 2, Informative

      My answer is at the end of the sentence you were quoting. It is not about purity or approximation - the notion of "proof" in science and math is the same: proof is a demonstration that some statement you are making is correct. In math, which is axiomatic like you said, truths can be derived from other, absolute truths. Statements about the world are very different, esp broad statements that comprise fundamental models, and that is why you only disprove science. What is offered as proof are observations made in a particular setting, and unless you can prove that all observations in all situations will work with the statement being made, then you cannot "prove" the statement in an "absolute" way. And of course you can't do that, without mathematical necessity, which is what a lot of modern physics has to do with.

      Anyway, this all distracts from the original thread about whether non-science should be forgiven for trying to "talk science". I was just trying to say no. Hopefully this discussion on the difficulty of science and the sincere consideration of "truth" by those who really have to deal with it, will justify that.

    31. Re:Intelligent Design? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      ID is not a hoax - there's no intent to deceive.

      If that's true, why did more than half of the defendants witnesses in the Kitzmiller vs Dover case either withdraw before the trial, or did not testify? We're talking some of the biggest names in ID here - William Dembski, Stephen Meyer, Dick Carpenter ... several other, all of whom were scheduled to testify, none of whom did.

      I postulate that the reason they did not give evidence is that they knew full well that the theories which they are pushing to the public are not scientific. They are perpetuating an intentional deceit, and realized that lying under oath would land them in a world of trouble, while telling the truth would be a death-blow for their movement.

      Instead, what trips up most people is that ID proponents are scientists arguing philosophical positions based on their scientific knowledge.

      No, they're fools who insist that their personal philosophy be taught in science class. If they truly were scientists waxing philosophical, they'd insist that science teachers NOT teach ID, and that it be taught in philosophy class instead. How many of these so-called scientists have done that?

      I have no problem (or at least much less of one) with creationists, because they don't pretend that their theories are scientific. I have a major problem with ID-ers, because their claim to legitimacy is the idea that ID is a valid field of science.

      And on that note, let's not forget that all of science is based on a philosophical fallacy

      My eyes are rolling so fast that I can't see the screen.

      Sure, in the technical sense of the term, ANY kind of knowledge is a fallacy. However, that's an absurd position to take - anyone who truly believed it would be incapable of performing even the most rudimentary tasks.

      I should also note that this is exactly why all explanations in science are labeled as theories. It helps remind us that nothing is written in stone, nothing is holy, nothing is exempt from being questioned. In practical terms, though, when a theory is supported by decades of research by hundreds of thousands of individuals in multiple unrelated fields, it's fairly safe to say that it's earned acceptance.

      If ID is a hoax, then all of science even moreso.

      Let me guess ... the bible told you that?

      ID is a hoax because it's proponents pretend that it's science. Their personal beliefs about creation are immaterial - they know full well that their theories are not scientific, and presenting them as such is a hoax or a fraud. Just like it doesn't matter whether a miracle healer truly believes that God really CAN heal people through him - if he's using tricks and scams to spice up the show, and lying about the effectiveness of his "powers", then he's nothing but a common scam-artist.

      Oh, let me guess your next response .... "if miracle healers are scam artists, then science is even more so!".

      I got it right, didn't I?

      Hah, maybe psychics do exist after all ...

    32. Re:Intelligent Design? by Capsaicin · · Score: 2, Informative

      so "intelligent design" is to the right what "global climate change" is to the left

      Not at all. Both issues involve the Right denying established science.

      You know I'm old enough to remember when it was the Left, that did loony stuff like that. Remember when plate tectonics was judged to be inconsistent with historical materialism? Funny how times change.

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    33. Re:Intelligent Design? by tverbeek · · Score: 2

      What aspect of the verb "to lie" do you find so confusing? It means "to speak untruthfully with the intention of deceiving". If you think - whether because you're an idiot, or gullible, or whatever reason - that you're telling the truth, then you're obviously not trying to deceive anyone.

      For example, if you can't understand the difference between "wrong" and "lying", and because of that you say "Neocons are all liars," that doesn't make you a liar. It just makes you wrong.

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    34. Re:Intelligent Design? by quenda · · Score: 1

      But if you know you have no evidence and choose to believe anyway, you are deceiving both self and other. Is it a lie? It certainly ain't honest.

    35. Re:Intelligent Design? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      There's nothing valid about Intelligent Design. Many of the statements in support of ID are provable. And I have yet to hear one of those that isn't wrong. For instance, the idea that we didn't descend from monkeys (apes, actually), is obviously wrong. The idea that the Earth is about 10000 years old is laughably wrong. Various notions in support of a very young universe are also wrong. One such popular one is the notion that the speed of light was much different in the past. Although this can be checked out any time with a telescope, there's no need, any more than there is need to verify that the sun rises in the east or that water is wet. So much of our other work would be so obviously mistaken if the speed of light in the past was anywhere even remotely close to the values it would have to have to make for a 10000 year old universe, there is no reason to even check. Another thing IDers love is uncertainty and double standards. They'll try to claim that there is uncertainty where there actually isn't, claim we haven't proven something by raising the standards of proof so high that nothing can be proven, and thus in effect claim we don't really know anything at all. We can't prove x because we can't prove anything!

      Clinging to beliefs that people know are wrong isn't philosophy. Refusing to listen or learn, and using bull for arguments is the opposite of philosophy. So fear not. ID isn't valid. ID isn't a philosophy. ID is so plainly ridiculous contortionist "logic" that is solely dedicated to explaining how an arbitrary creation story could be true. It's the opposite of science, trying to ram facts into preconceived notions. It's garbage for faith as well-- it seeks to dispense with the need for faith by engaging scientific reasoning for uses it is not fit. They missed the bit about the unprovability of the supernatural, and continue trying to prove that the supernatural exists. ID is pure stupidity. Philosophies are grounded in reason.

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    36. Re:Intelligent Design? by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Whether human CO2 emissions are drastically affecting the earths climate is a different question, and one which has not been settled with any degree of certainty.

      Nonesense. The certainty has been quantified and is there for all to see in AR4, from memory it is 90%, but don't quote me on that. Also I think that was before the isotopic fingerprint work was done.

      Science is always open for 'debate,' but the debate must be scientific, you have to come up with the math. Realistically though, now that even Lindzen has all but conceeded, the scientific debate is for all practical purposes settled. What is open for debate though are the implications the science has for policy. So lets advance the debate and stop pretending it's still 1990.

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    37. Re:Intelligent Design? by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's a difference between fact and belief, although the less intellectually honest people will try to say that their beliefs are equivalent to fact.

      It's easy to distinguish them. If it comes from a book, then it's a fact.

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    38. Re:Intelligent Design? by Tomfrh · · Score: 1

      What YOU are talking about is Theistic Evolution, which is even supported by ACTUAL renouned scientsit Francis Collins and does not attack any of the science of evolution.

      Theistic evolution does attack the science of evolution because most forms of theistic evolution dismiss natural selection.

    39. Re:Intelligent Design? by atraintocry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The ones making the arguments know that ID is unfalsifiable. So by asking for it to be put in science class (unfalsifiable means not science), they'd have to be liars.

      The everyday people who repeat the arguments (but usually unfashionably old ones, there's a very Emerald City vibe to the whole thing) are perhaps sincere and misguided.

      I hope.

    40. Re:Intelligent Design? by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      It's a well-known fact that reality has a liberal bias.

    41. Re:Intelligent Design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, ID isn't presented as a philosophical viewpoint. It gets presented as a scientific "theory" when it actually makes no falsifiable claims.

    42. Re:Intelligent Design? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Your comment was well modded. My dad always told me "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see".

      If you experience it yourself it MIGHT be fact. If you read it in a book, it's probably fiction. Much of what was considered fact a few hundred years ago is now known to be untrue.

    43. Re:Intelligent Design? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      But how can you talk about 'the human mind' and 'life', and many other fun things, when you have no real grasp of what they are?

      You cannot prove to me that you are sentient. Nobody can. You yourself KNOW for an absolute fact that you are, I assume you are because I am, but there is no way possible to prove or disprove it.

    44. Re:Intelligent Design? by Tman158 · · Score: 1

      Actually, all the steps to have an eye evolve have been shown to exist in currently living organisms. And that wasn't even that recently.

    45. Re:Intelligent Design? by jambox · · Score: 1

      That's a bit unfair. OK most ID people are crackpots but some people do acknowledge the sciences but then add "but God did it". Which is a philosophical argument, I guess. The belief in an intelligent creator of some kind is not inherently stupid.

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    46. Re:Intelligent Design? by tbannist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, we do know that the Intelligent Design people do have intent to deceive. They pretend it's not Christian Fundamentalism in their books and lesson plans, but it is. They know it and we know it. When they think we're not around they openly acknowledge the fact that it's Christian Fundamentalism with the names changed. It's one of their selling points, even.

      However, I think Intelligent Design is more fraud than hoax.

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    47. Re:Intelligent Design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few points.

      1) Darwinism doesn't purport to explain the start of the universe.

      2) Few things are considered proven in science. The general test to determine if a theory is scientific is whether or not a test can be devised which would disprove the theory. Evolution could be disproven. Intelligent design can never be disproven. Ergo, its status as a scientific theory is highly questionable.

      3) Intelligent design goes way farther than the beginning of life on Earth or of the universe. One of the classic examples of an ID argument is that the eye is too complex to have evolved "randomly". That's pretty far removed from the issue of the beginning of life.

      A few rebuttals:

      1. Darwinism indeed is not about the start of the universe- it is about the development of the Life system on this planet.

      2. The general test to determine if a theory is scientific is whether a repeatable, empiracle test can be applied to either yeild consistent positive or negative results. Since ID cannot be tested, or repeatably tested, or disproven, it has absolutely NO scientific validity.

      3. The ID 'randomness' anti-argument is based on the belief that order cannot arise out of chaos without an outside, 'Intelligent Designer' creating the order. Those who study chaos/entropy systems already know this is a massive misunderstanding of how order/chaos works. The ID supporters use the 'randomness' argument to dismiss the creation of life, the universe, and pretty much anything else involving the start of anything.

    48. Re:Intelligent Design? by infolib · · Score: 1

      Evolution could be disproven. Intelligent design can never be disproven. Ergo, its status as a scientific theory is highly questionable

      I'd be a lot more comfortable with Intelligent Design if the proponents didn't try to sell it as a scientific theory. What they ought to say is: "Evolution can be disproven - and we've done so!" That would be a rational starting point for discussion, even if I don't expect much of that from either side of this question.

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    49. Re:Intelligent Design? by sac13 · · Score: 1

      There is no question that we are having SOME effect. The real question is how much, and whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

      So to correct your earlier statement, it would be safe to say that the Cult of Al Gore is to the left what ID is to the right; global warming as a scientific field of study, though, has nothing in common with either. The fact that some political groups have hijacked the name, doesn't invalidate the science.

      Well said... I won't even deal with the ID folks because it's not even worth commenting on. As for the Cult of Al Gore, they do a great disservice to people that are truly trying to understand the climate because they are arguing that there is already scientific "consensus" (which I never learned about when I was studying the scientific method) that man is causing all the change. The problem is, when you take the data from Al Gore's film that he presented that correlated temperature change and atmospheric CO2 percentages and actually put them on the same graph (instead of breaking them into 2 like Al did), you'll actually see that the increase in temperature PRECEEDS the rise in CO2. So, though there does definitely seem to be a correlation, the conclusion drawn by Al and his "church" seems to be false simply by looking at the data.

      BTW... I'm not saying that CO2 isn't involved in the whole process of climate change. I'm just saying that anyone that has a real understanding of science would be horrified to think that we would be thinking about monkeying about with things without having a better understanding. Do we need to clean up our act? Hell yes. Are we effecting things? Chaos theory would say so. Do we know how much and in what way we're having an effect? I've yet to see anything that really can tell me that this is definitely not a cyclical phenomenon and is mostly a byproduct of human activity.

      The problem is the chicken littles screaming the sky is falling because their computer models say the Earth is about to burst into flames (or whatever the catastrophy du jour happens to be). That blows my mind because I watch the Weather Channel and they can't even get things right for the next week. If we've got models that can go out 10-50 years accurately, why the hell is the weather forecast still so bad?

    50. Re:Intelligent Design? by Sancho · · Score: 1

      The problem is that statistical likelihood cannot disprove Evolution, and that's pretty much all ID's got.

    51. Re:Intelligent Design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I could actually believe in intelligent design, and that I have been intelligently designed, but only if assuming: a definition of "me" that would include everything that contributed to making my physical body sit where it is now, typing on this keyboard and staring at this screen, and my mind (whatever it will turn out to actually be) thinking my thoughts, and a definition of "intelligence" that would not exclude the possibility of the universe itself being intelligent.

      Well, ID might not be that stupid as we think of it now, because we do not yet understand all the processes behind the intelligence, and therefore, cannot say that the universe is not intelligent, or that there cannot be a force driving it that could be intelligent.

      Some other guy in this thread mentioned that if there is no way of disproving an idea, it cannot make up for a scientific theory. Well, I think that if there could be a way of defining intelligence, then it would once again be debatable whether the universe could have been intelligently designed...

      Just a few random thoughts.

    52. Re:Intelligent Design? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Your comment was well modded. My dad always told me "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see".

      If you experience it yourself it MIGHT be fact. If you read it in a book, it's probably fiction. Much of what was considered fact a few hundred years ago is now known to be untrue.

      From what I read recently, your dad seems to be what is commonly known as "anti-american" (whatever that means). But then being in Europe I'm not really familiar with US semantics.

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    53. Re:Intelligent Design? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No you didn't!

      ah crap, yes you did.

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    54. Re:Intelligent Design? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You can have philosophical hoaxes.

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    55. Re:Intelligent Design? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I would say scam.

      Becasue the believers in it try to make people think that all believers believe in it, and they also lie about evolution.

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    56. Re:Intelligent Design? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yuor like of science understanding is disturbing.

      I mean, that very post indicates you have no idea what science is.

      Evolution is NOT Darwinism. The only reason ID'ers keep saying that is so they can make an ad hom attack against Darwin.
      The knowledge of the mechanism of evolution has gained a lot more data and evidence.

      intelligent design is a hoax becasue it is trying to trick people into thinking is is something it is not.

      Since there ware warehouse full of evidence, and the theory of evolution has made accurate predictions it is a valid theory.

      ID can do none of those things, and there is quite a bit of evidence that disproves it.

      Now if you want to believe that some magic man wave his dick and created everything in place, fine. But don't use your blind belief to dictate what is science. You are the one that hss to figureout way your magic man made evidence to the contrary and none to support it.

      Finally evolution is a given, you don't really get to not believe in it anymore then then you can not believe in gravity.
      The Theory of evolution is about the mechanism in which evolution happens.

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    57. Re:Intelligent Design? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You folks over there must have a different definition of "anti-american" than we do. Of course, Republicans (he used to be one, now he's solidly Democrat) would probably say he is. He was in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers for almost half a century, and you may know how the Republicans hate labor unions.

      My dad's a pretty smart guy. Uneducated (GED) but well read, creative, and intelligent.

    58. Re:Intelligent Design? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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    59. Re:Intelligent Design? by LarsWestergren · · Score: 1

      scientific "consensus" (which I never learned about when I was studying the scientific method)

      Really? "A lot of respected scientists have a consensus on a topic" is pretty much the most certain we can be on a topic in science.

      you'll actually see that the increase in temperature PRECEEDS the rise in CO2. So, though there does definitely seem to be a correlation, the conclusion drawn by Al and his "church" seems to be false simply by looking at the data.

      This is well known and included in the theories.

      That blows my mind because I watch the Weather Channel and they can't even get things right for the next week. If we've got models that can go out 10-50 years accurately, why the hell is the weather forecast still so bad?

      Weather is not the same thing as climate.

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    60. Re:Intelligent Design? by db32 · · Score: 1

      Yes, because correlation is the same as causation. Did you know that ice cream causes rape? It's true, when ice cream sales increase the rate of violent rape in public places goes up. Clearly ice cream must be the cause. It couldn't possibly be something outside of that like its too cold for a rapist to whip his junk out in the park at night during the seasons where ice cream sales are down. Or maybe there are fewer people out in a vulnerable place when it is freezing out. I maintain that ice cream causes rape. I can even show you the charts verifying this, and I can be really clever and blow them up really big so I have to get on a lift to show the increase.

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      The only change I can believe in is what I find in my couch cushions.
  5. P.T. Barnum and the Cardiff Giant. by EWAdams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Barnum tried to buy the Cardiff Giant off its owners, but they wouldn't sell. So he had one of his own carved, and traveled around exhibiting it. Barnum was showing a fake fake.

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    1. Re:P.T. Barnum and the Cardiff Giant. by Haoie · · Score: 1

      Nowadays, you'd call it "showmanship" if someone did that.

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    2. Re:P.T. Barnum and the Cardiff Giant. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Barnum tried to buy the Cardiff Giant off its owners, but they wouldn't sell. So he had one of his own carved, and traveled around exhibiting it. Barnum was showing a fake fake.

      That's genius. If they made it they could claim copyright and sue him hut then their Giant would be worthless. But if they claimed it was genuine they couldn't and he could just say he found his own.

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    3. Re:P.T. Barnum and the Cardiff Giant. by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Uh, I suspect they called it showmanship when he did do that.

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  6. Thiotimoline by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Odd that NS didn't mention the hoax that started the story, the Great Moon Hoax of 1835 where it was revealed (incorrectly of course) that Sir Walter Herschel had found evidence of life on the moon.

    My favorite wasn't really a hoax; it was a humorous science fiction story by Isaac Asimov who was a grad student studying biology when he wrote about thiotimoline, a substance that, when added to water, dissolves before it reaches the water.

    The story of the genesis of this spoof was one of Asimov's favorite personal anecdotes, one he retold a number of times in print. In the spring of 1947, Asimov was engaged in doctoral research in biochemistry and, as part of his experimental procedure, he needed to dissolve catechol in water. As he observed the crystals dissolve as soon as they hit the water's surface, it occurred to him that if catechol were any more soluble, then it would dissolve before it encountered the water.

    By that time Asimov had been writing professionally for nine years and was shortly to face the challenge of writing up his research as a doctoral dissertation. He feared that the experience of writing readable prose for publication might have impaired his ability to write the prose typical of academic discourse, and decided to practice with a spoof article (including charts, graphs, tables, and citations of fake articles in nonexistent journals) describing experiments on a compound, thiotimoline, that was so soluble that it dissolved in water up to 1.12 seconds before the water was added.

    Asimov wrote the article on 8 June 1947, but he was uncertain as to whether the resulting work of fiction was publishable. He finally offered it to John W. Campbell, the editor of Astounding Science Fiction, his preferred publication outlet. Campbell was delighted with the piece, and accepted it for publication, agreeing to Asimov's request that it appear under a pseudonym in deference to Asimov's concern that he might alienate potential doctoral examiners at Columbia University if he were revealed as the author.

    Some months later Asimov was shocked to see the piece appear in the March 1948 issue of Astounding under his own name. In later years Campbell insisted that this was an oversight, though Asimov maintained a suspicion that Campbell had acted deliberately out of greater worldliness, for, in Asimov's words, "The Columbia Chemistry Department proved far less stuffy than I had feared" and his examiners effectively delivered their favorable verdict on his dissertation by good-naturedly asking him a final question about thiotimoline. In Opus 100 (1969) Asimov called the thiotimoline article "an utter success", and noted that the New York Public Library "was pestered for days by eager youngsters trying to find the nonexistent journals so they could read more on the subject".

    1. Re:Thiotimoline by Michael+Snoswell · · Score: 1

      Actually many substances dissolve by themselves (depending on your definition of dissolving).

      I recall working in a biochemistry lab trying to weigh out pure carnitine back in the early 80s (this was before it was used bvy body builders, this was the first human trial of pure carnitine). Trying to weigh out 10mg of the pure crystals was very frustrating because if you took too long, it absorbed moisture from the air to such an extent that it would then dissolve.

      It was weird to watch the white crystals slowly turn to water and get larger over a minute or so. Hence, they effectively were dissolving by themselves.

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    2. Re:Thiotimoline by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That was actually where Asimov got the idea.

  7. Other Massive Hoaxes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Global Warming

    1. Re:Other Massive Hoaxes... by hbush · · Score: 1

      Yep, so called Global Warming is, by far, #1 hoax these times.

  8. Human caused global warming by megamerican · · Score: 1, Insightful
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    1. Re:Human caused global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stop being so honest ...

      In 20 years everyone here is going to talk about how they were one of the people who doubted Global Warming and everyone else was against them, even though today they are just mindless puppets with a hand up their ass.

    2. Re:Human caused global warming by JustOK · · Score: 1

      all 5000000 of the survivors?

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    3. Re:Human caused global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being so honest ...

      In 20 years everyone here is going to talk about how they were one of the people who doubted Global Warming and everyone else was against them, even though today they are just mindless puppets with a hand up their ass.

      Oh wow. Greenland might be green again. Big fucking deal. It's been *much* warmer in the past. We'll survive.

    4. Re:Human caused global warming by geekoid · · Score: 1

      sigh...

      "theyâ(TM)re going down, not up."

      2007 was the 8th hottest year on record.

      The trend is up. we can find place along the trend line where temperature did 'drop' for a year or to, but the overall trend is on the rise.
      This is really either grasping at straws to support a blind belief, or a complete lack of understanding about global climate change.

      The change in sun activity does not correlate to the overall trend. This has been looked at very closely.

      Yes there are other cycles, this is understood and no one is saying CO2 is the only factor in climate change.

      "explaining that worldwide manmade CO2 emission each year âoeequals about 0.0168% "

      That is a straight out lie.

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  9. Duke Nukem Forever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuff said.

  10. Definitely... by cosmocain · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...missing option in FA:
    • CowboyNeal

    Why...this is no poll? Dammit.

  11. What about the Lemming's film by stevew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This from Wikipedia -

    "The myth of lemming mass suicide is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. In 1955, Carl Barks drew an Uncle Scrooge adventure comic with the title "The Lemming with the Locket". This comic, which was inspired by a 1954 National Geographic article, showed massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs. Even more influential was the 1958 Disney film White Wilderness in which footage was shown that seems to show the mass suicide of lemmings. The film won an Academy Award for Documentary Feature."

    I think this one deserves honorable mention at least!

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    1. Re:What about the Lemming's film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The film makers chased the poor creatures off the cliff. Then again, THAT might be a film maker's hoax.

    2. Re:What about the Lemming's film by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs.

      That's so sad. Why didn't somebody put little parachutes on them or have a couple of them stand at the edge of the cliff and redirect them backwards? Unfeeling Norwegian bastards.....

    3. Re:What about the Lemming's film by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 1

      +1 on that.

      Especially since the lemmings were arctic lemmings, collected by schoolkids in Northern Manitoba, and the 'cliff' was south of Calgary , Alberta. Nowhere near the Arctic or even Norway. Plus, they had a little turntable that flung the lemmings off the cliff.

      And people still think Lemmings are prone to mass suicide.

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    4. Re:What about the Lemming's film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 on that.

      Especially since the lemmings were arctic lemmings, collected by schoolkids in Northern Manitoba, and the 'cliff' was south of Calgary , Alberta.

      head smashed in lemming jump?

    5. Re:What about the Lemming's film by S-100 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Better to line the bottom of the cliffs with PETA members to break the fall of the poor creatures.

    6. Re:What about the Lemming's film by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, they were stunt lemmings.

    7. Re:What about the Lemming's film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hang on, the Lemmings one isn't clear-cut. Pair the quote with the paragraph that came before it:

      "While many people believe that lemmings commit mass suicide when they migrate, this is not the case. Driven by strong biological urges, they will migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can and do swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat[5]. On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore.[6]"

      So it's Mass Accidental Death due to "biological urges". Not "mass suicide" to thin out the overpopulation, but mass migration that results in a lot of deaths anyway. Unconcious Group Suicide anyone? This myth starts to become an issue about terminology rather than event, quite related to issues of anthropomorphism common to nature documentaries of that era.

      The famous Disney White Wilderness footage was faked, but the narration never claimed mass suicide, and the event shown was thus a dramatization of the actual events in Norway.

      (*Yup, I grew up watching that show repeated on Wonder World of Disney too and was /sure/ they claimed mass suicide, but they didn't. For years I thought "The Norwegian Blues fed well that day.")

    8. Re:What about the Lemming's film by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfeeling Norwegian bastards.....

      Why do you hate Norway so much? I for one will not tolerate this anti-Norwegian propaganda. Another remark like that and I'll report you to the House Committee on Un-Norwegian Activities. If you are found guilty, you will be beaten to death with a large fish.

    9. Re:What about the Lemming's film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Why do you hate Norway so much?"

      Easy. He's Swedish.

    10. Re:What about the Lemming's film by sjames · · Score: 1

      The guys who were going to take care of that were bitten by a møøse.

  12. Audiophile cables by andreyvul · · Score: 5, Informative

    Denon's $500 ethernet cables, those $9000 "vacuum chamber" cables, etc.

    Oh, this is science, not technology.
    Still, they use edge cases of science to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ off of rich fanboys.
    In practice, the cable I mentioned are hoaxes.

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    1. Re:Audiophile cables by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Informative

      Time again to post a link to Roger Russell's excellent site debunking "audiophile" speaker wire once and for all. The "cable elevators" about 2/3 down the page (just below the $8,900 / pair speaker cables) are a personal favorite of mine. ;-)

    2. Re:Audiophile cables by hardburn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A while back, my roommate at the time and I considered making an audiophile cable company ourselves, on the theory that if you can't convince audiophiles that they're wrong (and I've certainly done my part to try), you can at least make money off of them. Setup is simple enough; make a little box to put a sine wave through a cable for 72 hours as a "break-in" procedure, or cryo-treat cables by pouring liquid N2 (easier to get then you'd think) over them and letting the N2 boil off. (Care has to be taken that the cables don't shatter from heating up too fast, though I never got far enough into the plan to try it.)

      I eventually dropped the plan after deciding that I wasn't quite that evil, but before that, my roommate had a discussion with one of his coworkers at the retail shop he worked at (don't remember the exact exchange, but it went like this):

      Roommate: I'm setting up a cryo-treatment and burn-in service. Should make lots of money off stupid people.
      Coworker: What does cryo-treatment do?
      R: Absolutely nothing, but people pay for it thinking it does.
      C: Sounds interesting. I might buy a few cables from you to try it out.

      So my roommate had flatly stated that it's just a big ripoff, and the guy still wanted it.

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    3. Re:Audiophile cables by pavon · · Score: 4, Funny

      The "cable elevators" about 2/3 down the page are a personal favorite of mine. ;-)

      Good Lord, I had to read that three times before I realized my mind was inverting those two words. I expecting to scroll down that page and see a story about audiophiles who had been duped into using elevator cables for low loss speaker wire.

    4. Re:Audiophile cables by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 1

      I always laugh when the Monster cables go on sale for 75 per cent off. My cheap Chinese HDMI cable works just fine, thanks.

    5. Re:Audiophile cables by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Still, they use edge cases of science to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ off of rich fanboys

      As a Mac user I find this highly offensive.

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    6. Re:Audiophile cables by LihTox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technically speaking, the coworker was being a good scientist: he could have taken your word that the cryo-treatment did nothing to the cables (based entirely on your say-so with no evidence), but instead he was skeptical, and wanted to prove it for himself. Good for him.

    7. Re:Audiophile cables by martinw89 · · Score: 1

      Haha! I love the quote for the cable elevators (emphasis mine):

      The damn things do lower noise, increase dynamics, remove haze, and open up the top of octaves

      That's complete bullshit. Octaves are an arbitrary concept, and the "top of an octave" can be any note ever played anywhere. Proof that these supposed audiophile reviewers are just speaking out of their ass.

    8. Re:Audiophile cables by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I expecting to scroll down that page and see a story about audiophiles who had been duped into using elevator cables for low loss speaker wire.

      Dear sir, I am intrigued by your ideas, and would like to invest into your cable-elevator-selling enterprise.

    9. Re:Audiophile cables by dangitman · · Score: 1

      But why did he want to buy the cables, rather than simply test them?

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    10. Re:Audiophile cables by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      and those morals are why you'll never be rich :P

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    11. Re:Audiophile cables by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't you make super cooled cables with an on-site refrigeration system with liquid nitrogen (low end) or liquid helium (real audiophiles) ? It seems to me that super conductive cables should be better. After all they're more expensive.

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    12. Re:Audiophile cables by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 1

      I agree that it's BS, however the word "of" is not in there in the original, it merely says "top octaves"... which changes the meaning somewhat to something that makes a bit more sense, although still BS.

    13. Re:Audiophile cables by Mhtsos · · Score: 1

      Of course cryo-treatment does something... you get to say you cryo-treat your cables if you do it and people go "Aaahhh".

    14. Re:Audiophile cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roger has an interesting site with some very good information.

      However, he completely fails to even talk about the most important cable issue (outside the impedence, etc.), and that is the issue of interference.

      Sure, the wire itself, in an isolated environment, doesn't matter if you pay $5 a foot or $5,000 a foot. What matters is how well shielded the cabling is.

      Most cheap wiring has little, if any, RF or EM shielding. For example, I have speakers around my computer desk, and using the cheapo wire results in RFI when I mouse my wireless mouse, which introduces hums & clicks. Running cheap cables next to electric motors, heaters, furnances, or even some types of electric wiring, monitors (CRT), etc. can result in problems with your sound caused by the interference those devices put out.
      Paying a little more for a cable with decent shielding can fix those issues, if moving the cable to a different location isn't enough.

      But I certainly agree you don't need to be spending more than maybe a buck or two per foot, and there is no way in hell you need to pay $20,000 for speaker wiring in a house- unless your house happens to be in space or on the moon where there is no shielding from the sun's radiation.

    15. Re:Audiophile cables by martinw89 · · Score: 1

      OH, well then, I guess I'm the one just making stuff up! I reread that three times before I posted to make sure it was hogwash and my brain just added that "of" every time.

    16. Re:Audiophile cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but that only works for used elevator cables. The many years of frequent up-and-down motion has mechanically stretched and vibrated the cables in such a way that it tends to suppress undesirable frequencies when they are subsequently used as electrical conductors. This is a well-known phenomena based on elementary physics, so often neglected by other manufacturers. Unfortunately the supply of used elevator cables is quite limited, because it is usually available only from decommissioned buildings, and many building owners foolishly toss these cables into general recycling to recover the value of the metal rather than applying them to specialized electrical uses. Fortunately, I've been able to acquire a substantial supply of this very rare cable, and I can offer it to you for a mere $1000/foot at suitable lengths for speaker wiring. That's cheap compared to many other "freshly made" cable designs out there, some of which are $5000-$8000/foot and don't have any mechanical break-in at all -- and as should be obvious, mechanical break-in is at least as important as electrical break-in. Combine this with the afore-mentioned cable elevators (very different from elevator cables!!) and you'll have a truly awesome audiophile system, with 10x the fluxion and Slophi coefficient of a typical setup. I also take great care to make sure that the up-down orientation of the elevator cables is recorded and marked on the cables so that any residual natural magnetism from the Earth's field can be consistently oriented for both left and right channels. You wouldn't want the left and right stereo streams to be crossed over.

      Oh, mention /. and I'll give you a 10% discount on orders of 20 feet or more of elevator cable!!

    17. Re:Audiophile cables by sjames · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he wanted to test the part about id10ts being willing to pay top dollar. If he PRODUCED the cables, he might be liable somehow, but if he buys them, he's just a reseller making no claims himself.

  13. The most dangerous one ... by foobsr · · Score: 1

    ... proof given by empirical research (rather than evidence, as an explanation, if necessary).

    CC.

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  14. Windows by viljun · · Score: 2, Funny

    har har

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    1. Re:Windows by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      The overwhelming consensus amongst MSCEs and MVPs is that Windows Vista is a good OS.

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  15. Obviously by MarkGriz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Man landing on the moon. Duh.

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  16. Scientology by franksands · · Score: 1, Informative

    oh, since this is a Religious hoax it doesn't count? It's got "science" in the name and they pretend to explain the world in a pseudo-scientific method.

  17. Spaghetti Tree kills me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That people would actually think the spaghetti tree was real, on april first, kills me.

    But then, the flying spaghetti monster is real, so, who knows.

  18. My favorite (or least favorite) by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fraudulent research showing that high dose chemo followed by marrow transplants was an effective treatment for breast cancer. It was an experimental procedure, so insurance companies wouldn't cover it. But this study showed it worked, and it got some play in the media, and Congress actually passed a law requiring that insurance companies cover it.

    Then it turns out that the researchers left out negative results which, when compiled with the rest of the data, showed a slightly WORSE outcome for this procedure. It seems that the researchers believed that the procedure SHOULD work, and since it was so important to get insurance companies to cover it, they simply modified the data to get the results they wanted.

    Of course, insurance companies stopped paying for it, and the procedure isn't used, and Congress has moved onto other things. But I still need to ask: how many women had months or years removed from their life because 2 "scientists" thought they knew better than the data?

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    1. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by moderatorrater · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's not forget Congress. Remember, these are the people that we want to turn all healthcare over to.

    2. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by squidfood · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget Congress. Remember, these are the people that we want to turn all healthcare over to.

      Oh I so much more trust those folks who just lost the third copy of my coordination of benefits form. But hey, at least they're not a bureaucracy.

    3. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by db32 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Ok...I'll bite. Our current setup is unbelievably and undeniably broken, and anyone who stands and tells you with a straight face that this is the best has obviously never had to deal with a serious medical condition, a long term prescription, or really anything more than a $20 copay to get some cold meds. Hospitals have employees whose sole purpose in life is to wrangle with the insurance companies so that the families of sick or dying patients don't have to. I have had the joy of dealing with our insurance company trying to rewrite one of my wife's prescriptions because they didn't want to pay for it and the resulting 3 day battle of the original doctor telling them "No, I really meant what I wrote". I mean after all, it is awesome that those people go to medical school so they can work for an insurance company deciding what is medically required...wait...they don't have medical training? I mentioned this to one of the docs I work with from time to time and she nearly went nuclear on having to deal with insurance companies pulling those kinds of stunts all the time. There was another incident of a boy in the area with a horrible skin condition that basically boils down to his skin never grows that protective layer, immediately blisters on touch, and is a life of agony with a death expected well before 30. Insurance refuses to pay for his treatment so one of the local pizza places has done a few days where they donate ALL money brought in that day to the kids fund. Yet another case in the area of a woman who went to the ER while pregnant, fetus dies from whatever medical emergency it was, but because the doctor had started treatment before the fetus died the insurance company called it an elective abortion and refused to pay. So this "oh no government healthcare!" scare bullshit is laughable at best. Then we have the joys of the pharma industry...holy crap I want to beat their reps every time I see them. Listening to them cry about recouping research costs when most of their spending goes into the marketing of the new wonder drugs is disgusting. These little bastards are slimey little shits using all kinds of bribery style tactics to peddle their bullshit. Let us not forget, there is no profit in a cure, but there is a tremendous profit in treatment. There is NO NADA ZIP ZERO ZILCH money in something like the cure for cancer, but there are billions to be made keeping cancer patients alive and suffering as long as possible.

      However, I think there is a two fold fix here

      1. Nothing like the threat of having all of your money and control taken away to get you to start behaving. I think there is no better way to get things fixed than to threaten the very existance of these medical insurance companies and pharma companies. Better to behave and stay afloat than to keep up your greedy antics and lose it all. These companies need to have their backs broken if things are to get any better.
      2. Nothing like government healthcare to convince people that there is a better way.

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    4. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      You forget, these tend to be the same kinds of people who claim that homeopathic remedies beat out modern "allopathy" and insist that accupuncture actually does something. Oh, and autism is caused by vaccines.

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    5. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by oldhack · · Score: 1

      You know, we are the people that elect them.

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    6. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      There is another path.

      How about we actually pay the doctors for the care we recieve? What effect will that have?

      You claim that there is "NO NADA ZIP ZERO ZILCH money in something like the cure for cancer". I say the same situation exists for inexpensive treatments. In an open market, people would flood away from the expensive treatments toward the cheaper cure. The impetus is that the cost is coming out of their own pockets.

      Whether we're talking insurance companies or the government, we're still talking about separating the customer and consumer. That warps the market. Everyone wants the gold-plated insurance plan, demanding every expensive treatment on the menu, but everyone expects those plans to somehow be "affordable". Everyone expects to have an hour of quality time with their personal doctor every time a child has the sniffles, and everyone expects to pay $10 for the privilege. The 'government' or the 'insurance company' should pick up the tab for the rest.

      The 'government' and the 'insurance companies' don't exist in this context. There is only us.

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    7. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by db32 · · Score: 1

      That also warps the market, because then noone will bother to do the expensive/complicated/rare treatments because noone needs them.

      Honestly, healthcare has got to be one of the most totally fucked "markets" out there. You are dealing with peoples lives here, and there is pretty much no limit to what people will pay for that.

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    8. Re:My favorite (or least favorite) by sjames · · Score: 1

      The way I see it, Congress is a bunch of sellouts receiving 'incentives' from all different directions. Insurance administrators are sellouts receiving incentives in only one direction. I'd rather have the more neutral sellouts in charge.

      Of course, since none of the above are doctors, shouldn't they all be in trouble for making medical decisions?

  19. What!? by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 4, Funny
    No Fermat's Last Theorem?

    This list is incomplete. I would provide a proof but this comment box is too small to hold it.

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    1. Re:What!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hah. How is this insightful, it's supposed to be a joke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat_last_theorem

    2. Re:What!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can type beyond the comment box bounds you know...

    3. Re:What!? by quanticle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fermat's last theorem was proved by Wiles in 1994.

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    4. Re:What!? by steelfood · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fermat's last theorem was proven true by Andrew Wiles in 1993/1994. But Fermat probably didn't have a proof for it, so the "theorem" portion really was a misnomer, maintained that way by mathematicians, I suspect, for romantic reasons. So it's not a hoax per se.

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    5. Re:What!? by kohaku · · Score: 1

      the "theorem" portion really was a misnomer

      According to the Wiki page, Fermat left a note in the margin of his Arithmetica which read:

      I have discovered a truly marvellous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain.

      I would presume this to be the reason for it to be known as a theory, even if the comment was intended as tongue-in-cheek (which I certainly took it as, but I could be wrong :))

    6. Re:What!? by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Like in the margins of the comment box? Brilliant!

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    7. Re:What!? by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whenever I go beyond the comment box bounds, I lose the first few lines I typed. When I go back to retrieve them, I lose the last few lines. The comment box cannot be trusted.

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    8. Re:What!? by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not a theory, a theorem. In mathematics, a theorem is a statement that has been rigorously been proven to be true. A theory is the body of work associated with a particular mathematical subject e.g. number theory, group theory, set theory. Thanks to Andrew Wiles, Fermat's Last Theorem is a theorem of number theory.

      Before Andrew Wiles proved it, it was technically a conjecture. However, it became known as Fermat's Last Theorem because of the way Fermat worked. It wasn't unusual for Fermat to write down mathematical statements and then claim to have a proof without actually stating the proof. In fact, at the time of Fermat, it was quite common for mathematicians generally to keep their discoveries secret.

      Over the years since his death, proofs were discovered for all of the other statements that Fermat made. Therefore, they turned out to all be theorems. It was thus natural to assume that he wasn't lying when he wrote the infamous marginal note and Fermat's Last Theorem was so-called because it was the last one left without a proof.

      By the time it became clear that a proof was not going to be easily forthcoming, the tradition of calling FLT FLT had already set in. Wiles' proof is certainly not the proof that Fermat said he had - it builds on far too much maths that was discovered after Fermat's death. I think the consensus is that Fermat thought he had a proof but there was an error in it.

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    9. Re:What!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  20. Obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Global Warming.

  21. Stem Cell Research by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course, there have been serious cases of scientific fraud, such as the stem cell researchers recently found guilty of falsifying data

    Unless I'm mistaken, the fraud committed in this instance was that the photos taken were adjusted in photoshop to make them clearer (i'm not sure if they were brightened or darkened), which had no affect on the actual data or conclusions of the study. Please point me in the right direction if I'm wrong.

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    1. Re:Stem Cell Research by cosmocain · · Score: 2, Informative

      okay, here's your direction

    2. Re:Stem Cell Research by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think we're referring to different cases.

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  22. Spaghetti tree by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Laugh at the silly people all you want, but this happened to me as a kid. Some local new station ran a story on the "donut harvest," showing people picking donuts from plants ("These raw donuts will now be sent to a plant to be glazed"). When you're a small kid and don't know anything about how donuts or other pastries are made it seems logical enough. And is spaghetti really all that different from a lot of kelp and other seaweeds that come from nature? I can see where someone who knew nothing about pasta (this is Britain, after all) could be taken in by such a story.

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    1. Re:Spaghetti tree by mikael · · Score: 1

      Been there are well. My primary school teacher was running a classroom team pop quiz, picking students at random, asking a question and awarding points if the answer is correct.

      Teacher. "Where do we buy apples and oranges from?"

      Me: "The supermarket?"

      Classroom is filled with laughter ...

      Teacher: After calming the classroom down, "No, the greengrocer. No points."

      It still happens now. When students were asked "Where does milk come from?", many would answer, "the supermarket."

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    2. Re:Spaghetti tree by rugatero · · Score: 2

      I remember watching a 'documentary' some years ago that showed that Man had received communications from Extra Terrestrial lifeforms. It turned out that the aliens were communicating in binary and in response to the images of humans and the genome that we sent out on a probe, they returned circuit diagrams. It was concluded that they were in fact artificially intelligent beings that had become estranged from their creators.

      The show was very professionally and convincingly presented and I was completely suckered in - having missed the introduction to the show which I later discovered was called "What If?".

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    3. Re:Spaghetti tree by mikael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The best one was "Ghostwatch" by the BBC, which was broadcast as a reality TV show, but in fact was a fiction horror movie. Using presenters (Michael Parkinson) from serious shows such as "Crimewatch", they convinced a good percentage of the British population that this was a reality TV show. Only in the last 15 minutes, did they have children speaking in tongues, the female presenter disappear, and the studio presenter become possessed.

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    4. Re:Spaghetti tree by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 5, Informative

      Back in 1957, even the word 'pasta' wasn't widely used in the UK. There was only 'spaghetti' and that came in tins with tomato sauce (generally served on toast or with fry-ups as an alternative to Baked Beans). This was decades before full ingredients had to be displayed on packaged food, so all the tins used to say was 'Ingredients - Spaghetti, Tomato Sauce'. Widespread use of dried pasta (popularised by the ubiquitous Spaghetti Bolognaise beloved by students) didn't occur until the '70s, and fresh pasta was uncommon until the '90s.

      The unfamiliarity with anything remotely resembling 'real' spaghetti, and the fact that the story was broadcast by the BBC on it's flagship documentary programme in it's normal time-slot years before television April Fools pieces were common makes the fact that it was widely believed much less surprising than it would appear to 21st century pasta-eaters with a healthy skepticism towards TV news.

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    5. Re:Spaghetti tree by KGIII · · Score: 1

      This usually requires being stoned and the people you're talking to also being stoned but, if you're watching a movie (no matter how outlandish) with a stoner buddy just convince them that the movie is based on a true story. It is great amusement if they fall for it.

      I mean - ANY movie. Just make up an elaborate story to go along with it if you must and you could even try it with Star Wars. (Probably wouldn't work but you could at least try. It is great amusement.)

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    6. Re:Spaghetti tree by benjj · · Score: 1

      I read somewhere that callers asking how to grow their own spaghetti tree were advised to "put a sprig of spaghetti into a can of tomato sauce and hope for the best". Sounds about right.

  23. War of the Worlds by Twitch42 · · Score: 0

    Hard to beat a visit by space aliens.

    1. Re:War of the Worlds by Twitch42 · · Score: 0

      I should note that I know it wasn't an intentional hoax. I was following the human gullibility line, but looking into it again, I guess the panic it caused was over-hyped. Nothing to see here. Move along.

  24. Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, some of these hoaxes, like the hilarious Sokal hoax, weren't really scientific hoaxes moreso than exposing the idiocy of certain groups.

    So, if you want to go down that route (and I see no reason not too!) then you MUST bring up the venerable James Randi.

    Project Alpha humiliated a bunch of paranormal researchers and parapsychologists because of how easily fooled they were.

    Banachek has a good article on his website:

    http://www.banachek.org/nonflash/project_alpha.htm

    The most interesting thing is that some people were such True Believers in the supposed "powers" of Banachek and Edwards that they continued to believe in them even after revealing it was all just an exposé. The most important thing was that it reveals that while many scientists in this area just didn't properly account for outright fraud; I would guess it is because most experiments do not have to worry about participants purposefully trying to mess with the results.

    1. Re:Project Alpha by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The most important thing was that it reveals that while many scientists in this area just didn't properly account for outright fraud; I would guess it is because most experiments do not have to worry about participants purposefully trying to mess with the results.

      Not really - the big problem with "researchers" in those fields is that they go in expecting to see certain results. Even if we could expect 100% of participants to be totally honest (a silly expectation), the bias of the scientists themselves can easily (and often does) influence the results of the experiment.

      The biggest point that Randi makes is that proper scientific controls and double-blind experiments are ESSENTIAL in determining the validity of a theory. There are countless examples of scientists (even well-established ones) conducting experiments which seemed to yield a certain result, only to be completely demolished once the experiment was repeated with proper controls. Perhaps the most famous was Jacques Benveniste's study of "homeopathy", which yielded positive results and was published in Nature - but under the condition that he repeat the experiment and allow a select team to observe and guide his experiment. Now, since the experiment already included control-samples of plain water, the only change that the team made was to re-label the test-tubes using a random code in order to remove any selection-bias on the part of the people performing the experiment. That simple procedure was all that was needed to show that Benveniste's earlier results were invalid - the new experiment showed the homeopathic "cure" being tested to have no effect whatsoever.

      We see the same thing with all the other hoaxes - whether intentional or unintentional. The theory is initially accepted by those who WANT to believe it, only to be later disproven by properly controlled analysis or experimentation. As an example, the piltdown man "fossil" was only accepted by a small number of scientists - those who had pre-existing biases (about the supremacy of caucasians) which made them less critical of that fossil than they would be of others.

      That's why the scientific process is so important - it forces all theories to undergo examination by other qualified individuals, and ensures that all supporting experiments are fully documented so that they can be repeated by anyone. This allows us to minimize the effect that personal credulity and bias have on the acceptance of theories, which is the only way we can ever really make any discoveries about our world. It's also why I think critical thinking and rational skepticism should be a major part of early-childhood education, but that's a topic for another time ...

    2. Re:Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's true of most of the things that Randi "debunks" (for lack of a better word), but not really in Project Alpha. Project Alpha involved deliberately deceiving the researchers to show that their scientific controls were not strong enough.

      For example:

      During one type of telepathy test, a subject would be given a sealed envelope containing a picture drawn from a target pool. Left alone with the envelope, the subject would subsequently surrender the envelope to the experimenter, who would examine it for signs of tampering. The subject would then announce his selection for the target pool. This series of tests was quite successful â" though not overly so, because the boys realized that 100 percent might be suggestive of trickery. They purposely minimized their success. The method was easy. Since the envelope was âoesealedâ only with a few staples, they removed them, peeked, and then replaced the staples through the original holes! In one case, Michael lost two staples, and to cover this he opted to open the envelope himself upon confronting the experimenter. The breach of protocol was accepted. The subject had been allowed to shape the experiment.

      Project Alpha was more about finding weaknesses in the testing protocols of the researchers. In fact, if you read the link, Project Alpha largely began because the researchers in question did not take Randi's advice on how to properly control for fraud and deception in such experiments. It is true that experimenter bias is a factor, but the spotlight here was on the shoddy test designs and poor protocols.

    3. Re:Project Alpha by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know, I'm quite familiar with project alpha. I just think that the flaws which Randi exposed are most likely present BECAUSE these scientists were expecting a certain result. They had set out to prove the existence of telepathy - not to figure out whether or not it exists. If they hadn't already had the preconceived notion that telepathy is a real phenomenon, they would have been much more careful about how they designed their experiments.

    4. Re:Project Alpha by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      Well, some of these hoaxes, like the hilarious Sokal hoax, weren't really scientific hoaxes moreso than exposing the idiocy of certain groups.

      Yes, that's a good one! Poor Sokal...

    5. Re:Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

      Do we have a postmodernist on Slashdot?

    6. Re:Project Alpha by thereofone · · Score: 1

      Well, Social Text wasn't a peer reviewed journal; it trusted those who submitted to police themselves and avoid things like blatantly falsifying an article.

      Outside of your field, could you tell a hoax paper from a well researched one?

    7. Re:Project Alpha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno. Do we?

    8. Re:Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

      No, but one of the great things about the Sokal hoax is that even a layman can read it and see that it's a joke.

      Wikipedia even points out my favorite part of the paper:

      Just as liberal feminists are frequently content with a minimal agenda of legal and social equality for women and 'pro-choice', so liberal (and even some socialist) mathematicians are often content to work within the hegemonic Zermelo-Fraenkel framework (which, reflecting its nineteenth-century liberal origins, already incorporates the axiom of equality) supplemented only by the axiom of choice.

      You pomo types really are something.

      It's true Social Text wasn't a peer-reviewed journal, but that doesn't change the fact that it got through the editors--and, well, it surely says something about the necessity of peer review, doesn't it? Sokal's paper wasn't just made-up garbage, it was full of outright nonsense and meaningless statements.

    9. Re:Project Alpha by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      Do we have a postmodernist on Slashdot?

      I am just as worried as you are, especially after seeing only 30 posts on slashdot about Perimeter Institute launching modern physics resources.

    10. Re:Project Alpha by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      It's true Social Text wasn't a peer-reviewed journal, but that doesn't change the fact that it got through the editors--and, well, it surely says something about the necessity of peer review, doesn't it?

      The fact is that they did ask him to revise the manuscript, and he refused.

      Sokal's paper wasn't just made-up garbage, it was full of outright nonsense and meaningless statements.

      It is really refreshing and lots of fun to see that somebody, calling himself MindlessAutomata at that, can distinguish between "made-up garbage" and "outright nonsense and meaningless statements".

    11. Re:Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

      The fact is that they did ask him to revise the manuscript, and he refused.

      I don't know what revisions they asked him to make, but they published it anyway.

      It is really refreshing and lots of fun to see that somebody, calling himself MindlessAutomata at that, can distinguish between "made-up garbage" and "outright nonsense and meaningless statements".

      Oooooh! I'm treading on some po-mo toes here! Please, next response you make to me be sure to be properly verbose and wordy and to namedrop at the very least Derrida :)

    12. Re:Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

      Oh! YOU were the one that posted this:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1003069&cid=25458011

      How enlightening this all is!

    13. Re:Project Alpha by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      I don't know what revisions they asked him to make,...

      which is kind of a problem here, that you speak about things you don't know. It's not that hard, articles are available on the net. Instead of informing yourself, you go quoting wikipedia quoting the Sokal's text. You didn't even quote the text you're talking about. Next thing you'll tell me is that you haven't read the text, reactions, newspaper articles, and so on and on.

      Please, next response you make to me be sure to be properly verbose and wordy and to namedrop at the very least Derrida :)

      You do understand by now the difference between your quoting wikipedia quoting Sokal and quoting the Sokal's text itself, don't you?

    14. Re:Project Alpha by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      Oh! YOU were the one that posted this:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1003069&cid=25458011

      How enlightening this all is!

      You've pasted a link... link! There is a discussion on slashdot going on about differences between a link and a quote. Link is not quote, so what do you want me to answer? That I didn't write that, or would you rather that I read your mind, MindlessAutomata, and tell you that I wrote it?

    15. Re:Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

      I have read them, thank you.

      In fact, at least one of the editors refused to believe that Sokal's work was a hoax. I think that's rather telling.

      But of course, that doesn't really matter now, does it? Reality is just a social construction and all, right?

    16. Re:Project Alpha by thereofone · · Score: 1

      You throw around pomo the way Sarah Palin drops socialist.

    17. Re:Project Alpha by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

      If Palin came across someone apologizing for Marx in rather silly ways using rather silly excuses I think she'd be justified on those occasions, too.

  25. idle.slashdot.com by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please someone tell me it's a hoax.

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    1. Re:idle.slashdot.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yes it is.

      idle.slashdot.org isn't though.

  26. Re:Biggest scientific hoax of them all... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Informative

    While we're at it, Atlanta Nights

  27. Re:Donut harvest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Really?

    Where?

    Homer J.

  28. What about by OfficialReverendStev · · Score: 1

    ...global warming? *ducks*

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    1. Re:What about by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well, the globe *is* warming, just as it has done every 1500+-500 years for at least 60 cycles. The hoax is the anthropogenic part of global warming. If man were causing global warming, how do you explain the other 59 warming and cooling cycles? Joe the Plumber's ancestors and their campfires?

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    2. Re:What about by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

      They used to have bigger campfires.

    3. Re:What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, the globe *is* warming, just as it has done every 1500+-500 years for at least 60 cycles. The hoax is the anthropogenic part of global warming. If man were causing global warming, how do you explain the other 59 warming and cooling cycles? Joe the Plumber's ancestors and their campfires?

      How about "misinformation" for the mod. All evidence is that we are supposed to be entering a cooling cycle not a warming one. In fact two factors are likely moderating global warming, the general cooling trend and something called Global Dimming.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

      Natural cycles are a favorite of the flat earth crowd but there is no evidence of increases this rapid in the last million years and the only increases historically that match this are related to major events like clusters of super volcanoes erupting. Such things have been fairly normal of late. The real hoax is that pouring millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere can't have an effect. This was the same attitude as back in the 60s when it was still believed that you could throw whatever you wanted to into the ocean and it was so big we couldn't possibly have an effect. Things like dead zones and mercury levels in fish put that myth to bed and one day global warming will also be accepted fact among to small number of disbelievers. The number is very small and even the President has had to admit the reality of global warming. The danger of promoting misguided views like this is it encourages people to do nothing to change their behavior. The real problem is while we have been debating the reality of it we may have already passed the tipping point. Major arctic releases of methane are the first sign that we have crossed the line. They have been recorded over the last two year, massive localized spikes in methane. If this continues we're in far worse shape than the most radical projections I've heard yet. The increase could be in the 10s of degrees over the next 200 years. Most of us could live to see 3 to 5 degree increases which will be devastating.

    4. Re:What about by dylan_- · · Score: 1

      If man were causing global warming, how do you explain the other 59 warming and cooling cycles?

      Uhh...just because something can occur naturally doesn't mean that it can't be done by humans. How could you not figure that out yourself?

      (My question: What's the name of this 1500 year cycle and what causes it?)

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    5. Re:What about by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      The hoax is the anthropogenic part of global warming. If man were causing global warming, how do you explain the other 59 warming and cooling cycles??

      Why do you think the two are mutually exclusive?

    6. Re:What about by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      You are blatantly ignoring the magnitude of the cycles. Yes, there are global heating cycles, but the cycles and the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is far greater than has happened before.

    7. Re:What about by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

      > What's the name of this 1500 year cycle and what causes it?

      Why of course it's the "anthopogenc global warming cycle", and it's caused by humans!
      Duh.

    8. Re:What about by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      The temperature rise hasn't been that great. So that discredits the link between man-made CO2 and warmer temperatures to some extent. No one would deny that we are putting CO2 into the atmosphere.

    9. Re:What about by Tomfrh · · Score: 1

      You're behind the times pal. Current skeptic argument is to acknowledge that the warming is greater than in the past, but that the cause is the sun.

    10. Re:What about by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      The global warming of ducks is known as roasting and isn't a hoax. I have seen it happen with my very own eyes.

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  29. Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was thought up by Charles Darwin and it goes something like this: In the beginning we were all fish, okay, swimming around in the water. And then one day a couple of fish had a retard baby, and the retard baby was different, so it got to live. So retard fish goes on to make more retard babies, and then one day a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its... mutant fish hands, and it had butt-sex with a squirrel or something, and made this retard fish-squirrel, and then that had a retard baby which was a monkey-fish-frog, and then this monkey-fish-frog had butt-sex with that monkey; that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey and that made you. So there you go. You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt-sex with a fish-squirrel!! Congratulations!

    1. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Mod parent Insightful, or Funny or something, because... damn! Good laughs.

    2. Re:Evolution by drakaan · · Score: 0

      It's rare that I wish I had mod points to spend on an AC post, but that was funny as hell. You owe me a keyboard.

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    3. Re:EVOLUTION by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      You make an excellent point. If you told those people, that they didn't exist, they would probably react violently (being the people that they are), and would disappear in a puff of logic.

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    4. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Save the mod points and rent some old South Park videos, because that is the source of the quote.

      As a matter of fact, I am a lot of fun at parties. Why do you ask?

    5. Re:Evolution by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Saying that watching a butterfly change/adapt to a new environment equals men evolving from monkeys or fish, is like comparing apples to potatoes. Sure, they're both round and grow, but really, that's about it.

      You do realize that this is Slashdot? If you're going to torture an analogy to death, it had best be an automotive one. Carburetors or GTFO.

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    6. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We then got the latest version of javascript, the retard-spider-monkey-eating-squirel-2.0.

  30. well by thermian · · Score: 1

    My ex mother in law thought I only did my Ph.D to get out of paying maintenance, does that count?

    (I paid it anyway btw).

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  31. computer-generated journal article by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My personal favorite is the gibberish computer-generated journal article that actually got accepted and published...

    1. Re:computer-generated journal article by saigon_from_europe · · Score: 1

      Geez, this was a good one (from linked FA):

      MWe can disconfirm that expert systems can be made amphibious, highly-available, and linear-time."

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  32. The James Ossuary... by gillbates · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are still people who wish it weren't a hoax. It's an interesting tale in the ways people will ignore evidence of the contrary when it comes to something they want to believe. The signs were obvious - found in a shop with stone cutting tools, yet ignored for years afterward...

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    1. Re:The James Ossuary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one is kind of interesting to me, not because I believe it, but because it was someone who had no reason to doubt it who convinced me it was a fake. My brother, who is christian and not exactly scientifically minded (but not anti-science, either) rolled his eyes and went skeptical immediately.

  33. Not too hard... by Vexler · · Score: 2, Informative

    Judging from this recent /. article, perhaps one shouldn't be surprised that we are this gullible.

  34. Does homeopathy count? by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The memory of water was a famous hoax, at least in France, 15-20 years ago, although I'm not sure it's exactly an hoax. Another famous hoax was when a government-appointed researcher declared in 1986 that the radioactive cloud coming from Chernobyl had stopped at the eastern French borders, and thus the official policy was to not take any of the precautions that other countries took regarding grown food or the prevention of cancer. Isn't spoon bending a hoax as well?

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    1. Re:Does homeopathy count? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Isn't spoon bending a hoax as well?

      No, it's an illusion. It's only a hoax if you claim it to be real. And even then it's claimed supernatural powers, not any attempt at making a scientific hoax out of it.

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    2. Re:Does homeopathy count? by afabbro · · Score: 1

      The memory of water was a famous hoax, at least in France, 15-20 years ago

      Or in America today, where it's called homeopathy.

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    3. Re:Does homeopathy count? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Interesting, because here it's called homoeopathy.

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    4. Re:Does homeopathy count? by solanum · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a hoax and the French immunologist involved still believes it is correct. He thinks he was totally shafted by the magician (Randi) who was employed to test their results. However, Randi's theatrics aside (and they would have pissed me off), there was little evidence that when the samples were analysed double-blind there was no evidence for water memory.

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    5. Re:Does homeopathy count? by goatherder23 · · Score: 1

      There is no spoon

    6. Re:Does homeopathy count? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      The spoon is a lie

      Fixed it.

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    7. Re:Does homeopathy count? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Strange. Here it is hom-eieio-pathy

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  35. That's a fraud, not a hoax. by wiredog · · Score: 1

    Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
    Filter error: You can type more than that for your comment.

  36. Madison Priest and his magic box by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Who can forget this guy who claimed to be able to boost the speed of data transmission across plain copper wires by 1000x, even 4x faster than fiber? He'd "prove" his invention by apparently streaming perfect, full-motion video across ordinary modem lines, and received millions in funding. Later, it was found out that he was simply using VCR playback on a very long cable. :-)

  37. Global warming by josyan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not scientifically proved...

    1. Re:Global warming by psychicninja · · Score: 1

      Not scientifically proved...

      Already +5 Insightful... I hope I'm not too late.

      Something does not have to be PROVEN to be science. Black holes: not proven; string theory: not proven; inductive-bloody-reasoning: not proven. To be science, it needs to be DIS-provable. Many people are trying to disprove mankind-driven global warming, which is great, but don't go around saying it's not science.

  38. Lots of them by rrohbeck · · Score: 1, Funny

    Let's see. First of all, evolution of course. That means that astronomy, nuclear physics, geology, paleontology and archaeology are wrong too, which (among others) invalidates Quantum Theory and General Relativity.
    Special Relativity may be correct since the Bible doesn't say anything about the speed of light.

    1. Re:Lots of them by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      Special Relativity may be correct since the Bible doesn't say anything about the speed of light.

      This cretin seems to think otherwise - from the 'article':

      Since creation week, the diameter of the universe has been constant (a static universe) and the speed of light has dropped precipitously to its present value-following decay curves we can now piece together with some confidence based on (a) measured values of c for the last 300 years, (b) corrections to known radioactive decay dates which go back to approximately 2000 B.C., and (c) the observed quantization of the red shift of light from distant galaxies for the time period from creation to about the time of Abraham.

      I'd love to see more of this Bible Relativity explained - it's surely a rich vein of humour.

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    2. Re:Lots of them by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      If I can disprove some of the things said by global warming pundits, can we discard global warming along with it?

      Just because various religious crazies have rejected scientific theories does not mean you've disproven the Bible, only a couple of idiotic interpretations. That you have started with astronomy highlights my point. You have very indirectly inferred that religious pundits in Galileo's time were wrong. Every church in the world (with few possible exceptions) agrees with you. The only reason that there is more than one Christian church is because a whole bunch of people decided that the Bible was true, but the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church were not. (I don't mean to offend Catholics here, but it is what happened.)

      You've fallen victim to one of several logical fallacies, probably Argumentum ad populum or Denying the antecedent.

      For example:
      Catholics said astronomy was wrong.
      Catholics said the Bible is true.
      Astronomy is true
      Therefore the Bible is false.

      In other words:
      c -> ~a
      c -> b
      a
      a -> ~c (modus tollens from step 1.)
      ~c
      ~c -> ~b (This step is false, and is denying the antecedent. Comes from step 2.)
      ~b QED (Which is not actually proven at all.)

      A few of those present challenges. I'd be foolish to say otherwise. None of those have yet disproven the Bible, though some of the theories attached to a few of them are incompatible.

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    3. Re:Lots of them by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      ROTFL. That was a good one.
      It's probably based on 1st century physics.

    4. Re:Lots of them by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Come on.

      Nobody in their right mind disagrees that the Bible contains reports that are [partly] factual and moral rules that make sense as well as fantasy (e.g. Genesis) and really nasty stuff (e.g. Leviticus.)

      *Nobody* lives strictly by the Bible and everybody picks and chooses. Anybody who says the Bible must be taken literally needs to start stoning adulterers to death.

    5. Re:Lots of them by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      That's a very shallow interpretation. There was a time, unfortunately, that a society (ancient Israel) needed that law. Then there came a time when they didn't, and they could live a higher law. I'm surprised you haven't heard that (John 8:1-11).

      Or are you being both antisemitic and intentionally ignoring the New Testament? (You said "anybody".)

      *Nobody* lives strictly by the Bible and everybody picks and chooses.

      That's not true, though those people are far and few between. What everyone does do is decide for themselves what they think the Bible says.

      And before you go spouting off that there is one diffinative interpretation, yours certainly isn't it, based on your own example.

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  39. Carlos Castaneda & Dan Millman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know how they missed this one. Maybe they don't consider Cultural Studies sufficiently scientific. The beautiful part is that the end result is still useful reading.

    Near as my rough research can tell, Castaneda's material itself is about 40-70% realistic, because he seems to have borrowed from other legitimate papers. If you go above the level of the specific plants used (de-emphasized in the later books), there are some fascinating ideas there.

    Then Dan Millman cribbed his entire plot structure from Castaneda! However, he changed traditions. Instead of Old Mexican, Millman went for unsourced Buddhist (and other) parables. Millman had Castaneda to study from, and so hid under the category of "autobiographical fiction", and didn't try to swindle a degree out of it. So he ended up being about 80% authentic, to which I'd impose a 10% penalty for deliberately obscuring the source of some famous source texts.

    1. Re:Carlos Castaneda & Dan Millman by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

      Blecch. That's me. Somehow ended up AC.

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  40. Anthropogenic Global Warming by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could be the biggest one of all. That or alchemy (dead) and astrology (still alive).

    1. Re:Anthropogenic Global Warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah. Feel free to ignore heaps of evidence that point to it and an international scientific community's consensus. And yeah, feel free to mod him up.

    2. Re:Anthropogenic Global Warming by need4mospd · · Score: 1

      Global Warming is not a scientific hoax, it's a political one.

    3. Re:Anthropogenic Global Warming by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

      Amen, brother. It's a huge success story in terms of politics masquerading as science. What I'm really surprised about, though, is that somehow you managed to get modded to +5 Insightful instead of 0 Flamebait. Perhaps there is hope for the world after all.

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    4. Re:Anthropogenic Global Warming by siglercm · · Score: 1

      Well, you *almost* had your suspicions confirmed. His post is now modded "0, Troll." Man, it takes a lot of Politically Correct new-age drones to mod a +5 down into oblivion. Lots of fools wasting mod points tonight....

      Of course, you and the OP are correct, as the coming 2 or 3 decades will prove out.

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  41. Color TV! by ninjeratu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the greatest April's Fool jokes of all time must be the one Swedish state television ran in 1962: Place a nylon stocking over your black and white TV screen and get color reception! http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Instant_Color_TV/

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  42. Greatest Science Hoax ever... by Abuzar · · Score: 0

    Unquestionably, the greatest science hoax ever is this one.

  43. Goat Glands by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing beats the perpetual search for...ahem...male enhancement.

    The scientific pioneer was a guy around the Great Depression who made a mint selling an operation in which he would implant goat testicles into his patients, many of whom claimed dramatic improvement.

    In the process he managed to revolutionize modern radio and advertising.

    Linky linky: John Brinkley

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    1. Re:Goat Glands by Choad+Namath · · Score: 1

      Speaking of male enhancement, I'd like to know the Cardiff Giant's secret. I saw it as a child, and I've felt inadequate ever since.

    2. Re:Goat Glands by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      o/~ I wish I was in Tijuana, eating bar-b-qued Iguana o/~

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  44. Re:I didn't think anything.... by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 1

    >I didn't think anything....was a bigger hoax than Global Warming.

    Pfffft. 'Chemtrails'. Try that one out.

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  45. Smithsonian Barbie by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 1

    My favorite hoax attempt is Smithsonian Barbie:
    http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/smithsonian.asp

  46. Re:I didn't think anything.... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    Congratulations, you successfully managed to disprove a mainstream scientific theory admitted by an overwhelmingly large scientific consensus.

    To achieve this feat you have :

    (x) invoked facts that are just not true without providing any way to back them up
    (x) jumped to a one-line conclusion based on these distorted facts
    ( ) implied there was a conspiracy among the scientific community
    (x) implied there was a perverse effect in the way the "system" works that explains the consensus
    ( ) misinterpreted the theory so that a cherry-picked anectode could disprove it

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  47. in some 3rd world countries ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is taught in school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism.

  48. human cloning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have successfully cloned sheep, cows, dogs, cats and monkeys. They are NOT particularly different from humans folks, at least in reproductive terms. IMO, the cloning thing happened, and the hoax is that it was a hoax, some of the powers that be deciding the civilian world wasn't quite ready for it to be real.

    1. Re:human cloning by Vagnaard · · Score: 0

      People have successfully cloned sheep, cows, dogs, cats and monkeys. They are NOT particularly different from humans folks, at least in reproductive terms. IMO, the cloning thing happened, and the hoax is that it was a hoax, some of the powers that be deciding the civilian world wasn't quite ready for it to be real.

      Dogs are very different in reproductive terms. Heck, to get a dog pregnant, you have to get very specific conditions.

      Humans are way easier to clone than dogs.

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  49. How about by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anything mentioned on the new Fox show Fringe.

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  50. HeadOn by Thaelon · · Score: 3, Funny

    HeadOn

    I almost died laughing when I woman I work with bought some at lunch.

    I stopped laughing when she put in charge of operations during our busiest time of year.

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    1. Re:HeadOn by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      I thought those ads were some sort of SNL skit.

    2. Re:HeadOn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This or a similar brand was advertised in the UK as 4Head. More like 4mugs!

    3. Re:HeadOn by SocialEngineer · · Score: 1

      A coworker of mine tried the stuff once. Said it works for about 30 minutes, then the headache will be back. I haven't been arsed enough to try it myself to see if he was just succumbing to the hype or not..

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    4. Re:HeadOn by hollywoodb · · Score: 1

      I can't vouch for HeadOn, but many people suffer "headaches" that are actually "tension headaches" or "muscle contraction headaches", where if HeadOn is any kind of muscle relaxer or topical anasthetic it could have some value.

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    5. Re:HeadOn by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      It's just a stick of wax. Literally. It has a lower percentage of active ingredients than your average breath of fresh air has toxic chemicals.

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  51. you mis-spelled "polygraph" by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    E-meter [wikipedia.org] comes to mind.

    You mis-spelled Polygraph. Slightly more important, given that, unlike E-meters, polygraphs are used in criminal investigations and employment decisions (namely, government security services) and police and prosecutors often try to get the results admitted in court as evidence.

    Remember Ashley Todd, who claimed she was mugged and had a "B" cut into her face by an imaginary black dude? Cops gave her a polygraph test, but refused to release the results. Hmm, like maybe a "she's telling the truth" result, that would very publicly demonstrate what a piece of useless crap polygraphs are?

    1. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by legirons · · Score: 0

      polygraphs are used in criminal investigations and employment decisions (namely, government security services) and police and prosecutors often try to get the results admitted in court as evidence.

      Doesn't make them any less of a fraud

    2. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by Cristofori42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that's the point he's trying to make..

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    3. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cops gave her a polygraph test, but refused to release the results. Hmm, like maybe a "she's telling the truth" result, that would very publicly demonstrate what a piece of useless crap polygraphs are?

      Since her own internal model of the B event was obviously screwed up the polygraph could only tell you whether she believed her own story.

    4. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Measure twice, cut once.

      Or, in crazy chick's case:

      Measure once, cut backwards

    5. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Polygraphs measure electrical conductivity across the skin, which changes as you sweat. To do this, they need to make very consistent contact with the skin - say, with an electrode held on by an armband.

      With an e-meter, the electrodes are two metal cylinders, which you hold in your hands. Any variation in your skin conductivity is tiny compared to the variation in how closely your hands make contact with the electrodes. You can make the needle twitch back and forth by slightly shifting your grip on them. (Try it - it's fun to watch their expressions.)

    6. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      no, a Wheatstone bridge that doesn't even graph is uni, not poly. Polygraph measures more physiological responses.

    7. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by VShael · · Score: 1

      Remember Ashley Todd, who claimed she was mugged and had a "B" cut into her face by an imaginary black dude?

      God, wasn't that like DAYS ago?
      We're in the digital age now! Who can remember that far back into ancient history?

    8. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by Porchroof · · Score: 3, Funny

      You misspelled misspelled.

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    9. Re:you mis-spelled "polygraph" by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      unlike E-meters, polygraphs are used in criminal investigations and employment decisions (namely, government security services) and police and prosecutors often try to get the results admitted in court as evidence.

      Except that at least in the U.S, polygraphs are not allowed as evidence in court except for issues of government security where you waive that right when signing on the dotted line to get your clearance - i.e. a very very small number of cases (perhaps less than 100 per decade).

      That doesn't mean you can't petition the court to allow it (you can), but you have a very very hard up-hill battle to fight to get it introduced as evidence. And prosecutors won't normally even consider it since it is primarily a defendant's only request the courts allow.

      Why? B/c the results are so untrustworthy that there is no point in them.

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  52. With apologies to Brian Greene... by FibreOptix · · Score: 1

    String Theory

  53. Huemul Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi. I don't even have an account on Slashdot so I'm posting AC. This is from Wikipedia:
    "The Huemul Project (Spanish: Proyecto Huemul) was a secret project proposed by the German scientist of Austrian origin Ronald Richter to the government of Argentina during the first presidency of Juan Domingo Perón. In 1948, Richter convinced Perón that he could produce nuclear fusion energy before any other country based in a lithium-deuterium nuclear reaction and deliver it in milk-bottle type/size containers." ... Perón wasted lots of money on it. It was later found that it was all a hoax by Richter.
    "Today, the Huemul island with the ruins of the historic facilities, can be visited by tourists. It is reached by boat from the port of Bariloche."

  54. Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's global warming on the list?

  55. N-Rays by gotfork · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_ray Apparently someone was jealous of Roentgen...

  56. Global Warming. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 0, Redundant

    As this one is still going on and not yet accepted on /. as a hoax, I'll be modded down and pilloried for this.

    Just saying.

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    1. Re:Global Warming. by Frymaster · · Score: 1

      As this one is still going on and not yet accepted on /. as a hoax, I'll be modded down and pilloried for this.

      Just saying.

      from the above link:

      "who am I? I'm Dr. William Campbell Douglass, and I've been called the greatest mythbuster in modern medicine."

      hm. i think maybe dr douglass is thinking of "global fever".

    2. Re:Global Warming. by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      Global warming is real! But temporary. The real question is: "is it anthropogenic?" and "is it permanent?"

      We have a very limited view of what weather should be like. Only now are we finding out that Cairo Egypt used to be a very fertile place, with water up to the pyramids. Of course, anthropogenic factors did not cause /that/ warming, but now for some reason, the /current/ warming is somehow our fault? Co2 has been 0.28 of one percent! Now it went up by 0.040 of one percent over two hundred years.

      There are dicussions being started about the growing evidence to the anthropogenic contrary. How many outlier events do we have to have before the outliers are no longer outliers?

      When is the warming trend over? And melting trend over as well? When are record lows a sign of a change in direction?

      It seems there is as much more evidence against global warming continuing as there is for it to continue.

      When will we see NASA AIRS co2 distribution factored into the IPCC models? (Right now they assume even atmospheric distribution)

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  57. Steorn by axehind · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn Claims to have a device that creates free energy by violating "first law of thermodynamics"

  58. Cold Fusion by extract · · Score: 1

    Why didn't they mention cold fusion among the 7 biggest scientific hoaxes?

  59. Windows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and the claim that it's an Operating System.

    1. Re:Windows... by argent · · Score: 1

      Windows provides all the components required from an operating system. Perhaps you're thinking about DOS?

  60. I find it hard to believe by taustin · · Score: 3, Informative

    That nobody has mentioned the Museum of Hoaxes, which documents all these and more. Much, much more.

  61. Re:I didn't think anything.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have a way to solve the conflict over global warming here in the US: let the government buy out all current beachfront property in the US that is 10 feet or less above sea level, to be given free to people who don't believe in global warming, with the stipulation that they must live on it and can live nowhere else. No matter what it is a win-win for everyone.

  62. The Hitler Diaries by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    While I'm suprised the word Nazi hasn't even come up yet.

    bjd

  63. Nonsense! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I submit that Godel solved this a long time ago.

    1) Nothing is more awesome than sex with women.
    2) We can imagine sex with women. And frequently do.
    3) If we can imagine sex with women, the only thing that would be more awesome would be actually having sex with women. For that, women would have to exist.
    4) Since point 1 says that nothing is more awesome than sex with women, they must exist, that being the most awesome thing possible.

    Who says my philosophy class was a waste of time? =)

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    1. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If people took spirituality more seriously, we wouldn't have all these problems.

      That would be easier to do if people like weren't such a joke.

    2. Re:Nonsense! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you? You think you're so clever for nitpicking Goedel's ontological argument.

      To be more precise, I did not nitpick Godel's argument. I paralleled it, substituting God with sex. You'll find I posted no counterargument to Godel in my original post. And I also used it to reach a true conclusion: Women Exist.

      So yeah, I actually do have a clue what I'm talking about.

      Let me ask you this: is there any role in your life for spirituality, whatsoever? I'm not talking about any one conception of God, just your spirituality. If you don't, I really feel sorry for you.

      I might ask if you have any clue what a straw man argument is. There is nothing you can deduce about my spirituality from my original post. I can however deduce that you seem to be a fan of Godel, and that I've stepped on your toes by using his argument as the basis of a joke.

      Which somewhat ironically, under my definition of spirituality is a blessing of sorts. Nothing tastes quite so delicious as hamburgers made from sacred cows.

      If people took spirituality more seriously, we wouldn't have all these problems. People would be more moral and generally pleasant to one another. And maybe you wouldn't talk about sex so much.

      Hah! *snort*

      It's called a joke. Don't be such an automaton. I don't think about sex any more or less than any average human being.

      And for what it's worth, I think taking spirituality seriously to be a HUGE error. It's what gets people burnt at the stake. People need to take it less seriously. Less planes will wind up embedded into skyscrapers that way. I think the world would be a more moral and happy place if they took things less seriously, and approached things with the happiness and wisdom that children have.

      The Creator created all - that means humor as well. I don't think this was all made so we could sit around and make sour faces at each other, and the most dour person gets to go to the highest cloud in Heaven.

      Something for you to think about. Hopefully.

      Fnord.

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    3. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      nothing is more P than experiencing Q
      we can imagine Q
      if we can imagine Q then experiencing Q is more P
      to experience Q then R must exist
      since nothing is more P than experiencing Q then R must exist

      In other words, BULLSHIT!

    4. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It looks like you accidentally the whole thing.

    5. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      A stale piece of bread is better than nothing.

      And nothing is better than a big juicy steak.

      Therefore a stale piece of bread is better than a big juicy steak.

    6. Re:Nonsense! by gyepi · · Score: 1

      This ontological argument is actually due to Anselm (or, in the funny form, to Gaunilo). Godel only gave a logical reconstruction/reformulation.

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    7. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, get a sense of humor (and a fickin' life), you Goddamn, bible-thumping, fanatical whack-job!

    8. Re:Nonsense! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I'll trade you my sandwich for that T-bone.

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    9. Re:Nonsense! by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      And for what it's worth, I think taking spirituality seriously to be a HUGE error.

      Damn straight. The human race will begin solving it's problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously.

      Fnord.

      I'm going to pretend I didn't see that.

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    10. Re:Nonsense! by bakes · · Score: 1

      And for what it's worth, I think taking spirituality seriously to be a HUGE error.

      I beg to differ. I think spirituality should be taken seriously, but taking religion seriously is a huge error.

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    11. Re:Nonsense! by dangitman · · Score: 1

      You say tomayto, I say tomahtoe.

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    12. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says my philosophy class was a waste of time? =)

      I do, because imaginary sex with Angie J is better then real sex with Rosie O.

    13. Re:Nonsense! by VShael · · Score: 1

      Proof By Assumption
      1) Prove statement k=true
      2) Assume k=true
      3) k=true by reason of 2). q.e.d

      You may have loved philosophy, but I'll bet you flunked math.

    14. Re:Nonsense! by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      It still boils down to "if I can make stuff up, then it must exist" which isn't much of an argument however well it's formulated.

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    15. Re:Nonsense! by JasonEngel · · Score: 1

      That was a VERY creative and intelligent response. You dressed down that witless troglodyte with excellent logic. That you did so without the slightest wiff of personal attack in response is pure poetry.

    16. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great post, right up to the point about the "Creator". Why, oh why would there be something as silly as a Creator?
      No, there is no god, gods, unicorns or Santa Clauses. Stuff don't exist just because people would like them to.

    17. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen!

    18. Re:Nonsense! by jambox · · Score: 1

      What if the steak is 3 months out of date? Ah-Ha!

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    19. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With that kind of mental masturbation, who needs sex with women?

    20. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fnord.

      I'm going to pretend I didn't see that.

      See what?

    21. Re:Nonsense! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Fine restaraunts age their beef, and it has mold all over the outside. They cut off the mold and charge you an arm and a leg for the delicious meat.

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    22. Re:Nonsense! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I think the world would be a more moral and happy place if they took things less seriously, and approached things with the happiness and wisdom that children have.

      Wisdom? Wisdom!!! The one thing that children most signally lack is wisdom. There's a reason that it's alleged Jesus said "Suffer the children to come unto me.": Children are the ultimate suckers, without experience, without good judgement, without wisdom.

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    23. Re:Nonsense! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck wants a God to exist, anyway, who plans on throwing most people who ever lived into Hell, where they'll suffer for all eternity?

      That's the worst possible character, not the best, deserving the title "kind and loving".

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  64. Alternative 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Science Report special, "Alternative 3" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3) got a lot of people going back in 1977, partly because it got bumped from its original April 1 slot to later in the year, so the hoax element wasn't quite as obvious.

  65. What about evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Slow gradual change just can't be rationalized given the six thousand year age of the Earth. It has to be the most elaborate hoax in history.

    1. Re:What about evolution? by michaewlewis · · Score: 1

      If god existed and created, don't you think he could have created everything to look a certain age, with certain levels of carbon 14, or light created already on it's way to earth?

    2. Re:What about evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because G-d loves nothing better than to screw with us.

  66. Probably more technology than science, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    January 30, 2007, The Wow Starts Now.

  67. crop circle UFO hoax by bill.pev · · Score: 1

    I've always thought crop circles were an enduring, elaborate, and completely nonsensical hoax, deserving mention here

  68. Orbo? by flanders123 · · Score: 1

    Who doesn't love a good perpetual motion machine? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbo

  69. Cable Cooker and FryBaby by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

    "Break in" in your cables for the best sound! Heheh . . . good call, but it's already been done for awhile:

    Cable Cooker

    FryBaby

    There's a sucker born every minute.

    1. Re:Cable Cooker and FryBaby by hardburn · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know. I was just copying ideas from other places to start with. Cryo-treating is out there somewhere, too.

      I did come up with a few of my own ideas to try after getting established. Like having a compressed canister (probably CO2) that, when released into the room, is absorbed by the insulation sheath of the cables to reduce crosstalk. Good for a 6 month stint, be sure to treat the room again after that.

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  70. Global warming springs to mind by dinther · · Score: 0, Troll

    How about Global warming? That has to be the biggest scientific hoax ever in history

  71. I Would Have to Vote for Quantum Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry. QC and David Deutsch take the cake. What with half-dead cats, infinite number of parallel universes and all that jazz. hahahaha...

    1. Re:I Would Have to Vote for Quantum Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you don't understand something does not make it a hoax.

    2. Re:I Would Have to Vote for Quantum Computing by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      The things you refer to are philosophical interpretations of quantum mechanics, which is probably the most successfully tested scientific theory ever.

      If you think it's a hoax, you'd better get off your computer now.

    3. Re:I Would Have to Vote for Quantum Computing by edittard · · Score: 1

      He's joking. Or maybe he isn't. We can't know unless we open the box.

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  72. BTW, FryBaby manual gets the "no shit" award by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Battery operation is inherently selftimed, in that when the battery dies, the FryBaby output stops." Someone had fun writing this one. :-D

  73. Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by EWAdams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its cause is not fully understood, but that hardly matters; we have to live with it no matter what causes it.

    Ever notice how it's the same deluded people (political conservatives, for some reason) who claim that evolution doesn't happen (hello? antibiotic-resistant bugs?) as claim that global warming doesn't happen?

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    1. Re:Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by Jorophose · · Score: 1

      Because the world never got colder, amirite or what?

      Your ideas are good. Yes, things will eventually get warmer, and then colder. But the methods? The explanations? Terrible. At least, for AGW.

      I don't "believe in GW". All I know, is that climates do change, and you just have to brace for the worst.

    2. Re:Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever notice how it's the same deluded people (political conservatives, for some reason) who claim that evolution doesn't happen (hello? antibiotic-resistant bugs?) as claim that global warming doesn't happen?

      Ever notice how it's the same deluded people (political Leftists, for some reason) who claim that communism is good in theory (hello? 120+ million dead?) as claim that global warming is not only real, but can only be solved by -- get this -- a massive expansion and centralization of government power?

    3. Re:Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its cause is not fully understood, but that hardly matters; we have to live with it no matter what causes it.

      Ever notice how it's the same deluded people (political conservatives, for some reason) who claim that evolution doesn't happen (hello? antibiotic-resistant bugs?) as claim that global warming doesn't happen?

      me thinks thou dost not understand what the meaning of anthropogenic is.

    4. Re:Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Natural selection is proven. Evolution is not.
      Your example is one of natural selection.

      I am neutral on evolution.

    5. Re:Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      The deluded people are the ones who really think that our actions are the main driver of climate change. Do we contribute? Probably, as do ALL life forms. Are we the main driver? Most likely not and there is no proof to the contrary.

      I find it the ultimate hubris that we think we have that much more control over climate than, say, the Sun.

    6. Re:Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its cause is not fully understood, but that hardly matters; we have to live with it no matter what causes it.

      Q.E.D.

    7. Re:Global warming is a fact, not a theory or hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice of you to overlook the fact that when people talk about "global warming" that it is really just shorthand for "global warming solely caused by the release of carbon in to the atmosphere by man". And yes Virginia, that is a hoax.

  74. My Favorite Is the Tasaday Stone Age Hoax by Louis+Savain · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even National Geographic fell for it hook, line and sinker. LOL.

    1. Re:My Favorite Is the Tasaday Stone Age Hoax by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      For some reason I read the end of that link as "Stone Age Tayzonday".

    2. Re:My Favorite Is the Tasaday Stone Age Hoax by TenDollarMan · · Score: 1

      I read it as Taserday.

      Don't etc. me, bro...

  75. Spaghetti tree by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

    In the BBC "Spaghetti tree" piece, I was expecting Benny Hill to come out some where and do his goofy wave and go after those girls. Also at the end of the piece I wanted to hear Boot Randolph with Yackety Sax (Benny Hill theme) and Benny Hill chasing those girls at high speed.
     

  76. The Turk? by RyoShin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While perhaps it was more of a parlor trick than a scientific hoax, The Turk was still peddled as a thinking machine that could play chess. Not only did its creator succeed, but subsequent owners did, as well.

    The Turk or Automaton Chess Player was a chess-playing machine constructed in the late 18th century, and exhibited from 1770 for over 84 years, by various owners, as an automaton but later explained in January 1857 as an elaborate hoax.

    ...playing and defeating many challengers including statesmen such as Napoleon Bonaparte and Benjamin Franklin.

    Really interesting stuff, well before any modern computer (even beating Charles Babbage's work by almost half a decade). In fact, Babbage was another opponent of the turk, and was reportedly inspired by it.

    (If you're a CS major and don't know who Babbage is, you really should read up.)

  77. Fairly obvious... by thethibs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They left out more modern scientific hoaxes, including AGW and "a high-carb, low-fat diet prevents heart disease".

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  78. War on Drug Users by Hatta · · Score: 1

    If you ask the average person whether marijuana is addictive, whether LSD damages your chromosomes, or whether MDMA puts holes in your brain I think you'll find that the scientific fraud behind the War on Drug Users is the most successful in history. I'll bet you anything that more people believe that marijuana is addictive than have ever even heard of Piltdown Man.

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    1. Re:War on Drug Users by Bartab · · Score: 1

      "Holes in your brain" is an excessive description, likely just some sort of layman translation used at some point. MDMA does directly cause brain damage, which increases with every dose.

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    2. Re:War on Drug Users by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as the question "is marijuana addictive" is concerned, the answer is clearly that it is. There are a lot of types of addiction, and if you have ever seen the results of significant marijuana use, you see addiction.

      Now, what most people think of as "addiction" is the sort of withdrawal that occurs with heroin or alcohol. Obviously, marijuana is not physically addictive in that manner. It has different physical effects and the method of addiction is different.

      In my experience, addiction to marijuana is a whole lot closer to addiction to porn, sex, or gambling. It makes the user do things that are self-destructive towards the end of getting more marijuana. If you haven't been around goal-oriented self-destructive people, you don't know what you are missing. Whatever it is that is driving them, that is their only goal and all other considerations are put aside. Little things like marriage, school, money, children, job, whatever.

      Finally, I have not seen marijuana addiction except with high regular use - I suspect occaisional use doesn't reach whatever threshold there is. So it isn't very addictive in the sense that other drugs are either. I guess an argument could be made that anything which offers the user some psychological reward is addictive in this manner. While that may be the case, I still don't think you can say that marijuana is not addictive.

    3. Re:War on Drug Users by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      The evidence I've seen suggests that excessive MDMA use decreases the density of serotonin receptors/transporters but not cell bodies. I don't think the effect is visible at doses relevant to most recreational users. Consider this letter to Nature regarding the risks of using MDMA in human research:

      Even more important for the human case is a study by Insel et al. (1989) performed in monkeys. This group found that administration of 2.5 mg/kg of MDMA twice daily for four consecutive days in rhesus monkey did not reduce the density of 5-HT uptake sites, although 5-HT and 5-HIAA were decreased by 50-70%. However, 10 mg/kg given twice daily for 4 days decreased both the number of 5-HT uptake sites and 5-HT levels.

      That's 2-3 times a normal recreational dose of MDMA, twice a day, for 4 days straight. That's a lot of MDMA, and no damage as measured by serotonin reuptake sites could be observed. So it's not as simple as causing "brain damage, which increases with every dose." This is what I mean by scientific fraud. People taking extreme results, and applying them to real world situations that don't even come close to real world situations. And then they make public policy based on those unrealistic results. Here's more:

      Finally, it is noteworthy that changes in the number of 5-HT uptake sites in sensu stricto do not only indicate a loss or overall damage of 5-HT terminals,but also include adaptive modulations of 5-HT reuptake sites. In fact, subchronic (less than a month)administration of 5-HT transporter ligands like antidepressants (SSRIs, TCAs and tianeptine) has also be reported to reduce 5-HT transporter mRNA and radioligand binding to 5-HT transporter (see e.g., Lesch et al.1993). Hence more research is needed to address the question how to interpret discrete reductions of 5-HT ligand binding in human brain.

      Translation:Uptake sites may be downregulated, instead of destroyed. The same kind of downregulation has been seen with SSRIs, and we have no problem giving them to humans. Trying to pass off receptor downregulation as "brain damage" is still more fraud.

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    4. Re:War on Drug Users by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you want to dilute the word "addictive" until it's meaningless, than everything is addictive. I have never seen a marijuana user do things that are self-destructive to the end of getting more marijuana. Nobody goes out and steals to get pot. Maybe they skip paying a bill one month, but people skip bills to buy that big screen TV too. It's not addiction to prioritize the things that are enjoyable.

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    5. Re:War on Drug Users by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      I have never seen a marijuana user do things that are self-destructive to the end of getting more marijuana. Nobody goes out and steals to get pot.

      Your exposure to habitual, excessive pot smokers must be stunningly limited, although your use of the word 'nobody' would seem to imply otherwise.

    6. Re:War on Drug Users by afabbro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, if you want to dilute the word "addictive" until it's meaningless, than everything is addictive. I have never seen a marijuana user do things that are self-destructive to the end of getting more marijuana. Nobody goes out and steals to get pot.

      Hate to tell you, but it's not exactly unknown.

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    7. Re:War on Drug Users by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      That's 2-3 times a normal recreational dose of MDMA, twice a day, for 4 days straight.

      So somewhere around the lower end of the scale for a festival-goer?

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    8. Re:War on Drug Users by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      I think you're describing the difference between addictions and compulsive behavior. A real addiction is a chemical dependency. The ONDCP et al like to play with the fact that colloquially (as you mentioned) people can be "addicted" to gambling, which AFAIK doesn't involve introducing foreign chemicals into your body. Unless you're in a nice casino and they're bringing you drinks.

    9. Re:War on Drug Users by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      The only people I have known who would go out and steal to get pot are the same sort of scrotes who would go out and steal so they can afford cigarettes and beer once they have spent all their dole.

      And yes, I have known lots of habitual, excessive pot smokers - those with the money get by, those without would steal, whatever their personal peccadillo.

      Face it - pot isn't addictive any more than any other enjoyable activity, be it gambling, porn, extreme sports, etc.

      Smoke it when it's there, ignore it if it's not, that's my approach :o)

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    10. Re:War on Drug Users by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Great point. Repeat this experiment with alcohol in the same fashion & see what results you'll get.

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    11. Re:War on Drug Users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't remember which channel (Discovery I think) had it, but there was a somewhat interesting program where they followed a man and his teenage kids over the course of about a year's worth of weekly parties/raves where they took Ecstasy in moderate dosages. (Ecstasy is MDMA) They certainly did NOT mega-dose, maybe one or two hits a week.
      At the start of the report they did some scans showing normal brain structure & activity. After the year was up they repeated the scans, which showed massive changes in brain activity as well as systematic destruction of the physical tissue.

      I have seen medical reports/studies from various doctors & medical professionals that mirror these results.

      So while the technical details of the how & why might be up in the air, it is pretty damn obvious to anyone who bothers to just look at the tissue that MDMA, even when used only 'recreationally' causes serious damage to the brain over time.

      I do agree that taking a study where they mega-dose a monkey for 4 days, and then saying it causes damages that increases with every dose, is indeed fraud. Or at the very least political manipulation of the facts.
      It's kind of like saying that because lack of oxygen can lead to brain tissue death, that every time you breath out you lose more brain cells.

      Disclaimer: I am decidedly NOT a fan of the so-called "war" on "drugs".

    12. Re:War on Drug Users by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      You're agreeing with the GP (and me). The parent disagreed because they claimed that the type of addiction that both you & the GP are talking about isn't addiction but a misuse of the word "addiction".

    13. Re:War on Drug Users by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      I'd also agree that 'addiction' should be restricted to physical addictions.

      The misuse of the word to describe what is basically a failure of self-discipline (as in 'sex addict', 'adrenaline junkie', etc.) dilutes its meaning.

      Having been physically addicted to heroin a couple of decades ago, I can tell you that physical addiction is a hell of a lot worse than having to give up a few pleasures.

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    14. Re:War on Drug Users by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      I don't really think that was the original point. But it's not as if I'm in total disagreement with you. Physical addictions suck, especially ones that so radically alter your brain chemistry that you never really recover - cocaine & derivatives for example.

      I'm gonna assume you have done or still do NA. If so, I think we can at least agree that it's not the physical addiction that's treated - it's the psychological. With help, you can get over the physical withdrawal in a relatively short period of time - it's the psychological part that's the lifelong battle.

      I do agree that the use of the term "addiction" has definitely been diluted to the point that it can be applied to almost anything. I'm just not convinced that psychological pot addiction is quite so harmless and rosy as some of the comments seem to be arguing.

  79. Physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could not complete my last year in college, was unable to graduate with my class, and had to repeat because the final project assigned to me was to make Polywater, which I failed to do and I honestly reported my findings.

    When it was exposed as a fraud, I didn't even get an apology from the department.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater

  80. Read the subject line again by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The theory of ANTHROPOGENIC global warming is different from the fact of global warming. It's as if there was a theory that the Bubonic Plague was caused by demonic possession and I claim that demonic possession as a cause of the plague is a hoax and then you jump in and say that the plague is REAL and cannot be argued about. Do you not understand the meaning of "anthropogenic"?

  81. Re:Atheism by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    Matter can be created and destroyed, but the by-product is energy. The resulting sum of matter and energy is what cannot be lessened.

    As Trent Reznor one said "I am sure there is a god. I'm just not sure of his relevance." I think it would be mighty presumptuous to assume that it would be preoccupied with the ins-and-outs of our daily lives, and even our "salvation".

    Without a caring god, we're left to science, cause-and-effect. And the body of evidence is that this world, the one free of deity intervention is the one we live in. So what is the point of his existence in excess of initial creation? Science has caused the planets to form, the organic chemistry to take place. In a universe of science there is no room for a controlling deity.

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  82. Cold Fusion by cts5678 · · Score: 1

    My favorite was always so-called cold fusion.

  83. Piltdown showed how well science works by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

    Piltdown is an interesting case precisely because it had so little impact on the understanding of human evolution. Piltdown didn't fit with the general patterns of what had been found and well before the time it was discovered to be a hoax scientists generally ignored it or considered to be possibly some malformed example of another species or possibly an off-shoot that wasn't part of the main human lineage. Thus, what happened with Piltdown is at some level an example of how well science works and how robust a theory evolution is.

  84. How about "hoaxes" later found to be authentic by grandpa-geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know of at least two documents, the Vinland Map and the Paraiba Inscription, that were declared "hoaxes" by experts but were later found to be authentic.

    In both cases the documents contained messages encyphered in a manner common for many years. Cyrus Gordon discussed both in his book Riddles in History. Gordon was an expert in ancient languages who also had worked at Bletchley Park during World War II, giving him a knowledge of encryption.

    The encypherment was what Gordon called "acrostic/telestic". The first and last letters of a line are treated as a count into the line and the appropriate letters marked. Then the pairs of letters are rearranged according to a pattern. The usual message was the name of the author (by the rearranged front count letters) and a religious message (by the back count letters). An example of this encypherment was found in a scribe's practice attempts in Turkey.

    One item of hoax "evidence" was a spelling error in the Vinland Map. It turned out that the author had forced a letter into place, which resulted in the apparent error.

    1. Re:How about "hoaxes" later found to be authentic by TobiasTheCommie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, neither have been proven to be true.
      Though there is evidence that vikings found vinland before columbus the authenticity of the map has still not been proven.

      And for paraiba:

      http://www.badarchaeology.net/data/ooparts/paraiba.php

      Or if i'm wrong, please provide source material that proves your claim.

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    2. Re:How about "hoaxes" later found to be authentic by grandpa-geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or if i'm wrong, please provide source material that proves your claim.

      Cyrus Gordon's analysis of both the Vinland Map and the Paraiba Inscription are in his book Riddles in History. I don't have my own copy, so I am working from memory on this.

      Part of the evidence he presents is that the encypherment scheme was not known until it was archaeologically found in Turkey a few years before he wrote the book.

      The Paraiba Inscription translation he presents in the book is not exactly the same as the one provided at your link. He states the encyphered message in the Paraiba Inscription is "We have been saved from death. Trust only in YH." This runs counter to some of the text of the inscription, so the author did not want it publicly stated.

      I forget the translation of the encyphered message in the Vinland Map, but it was the more usual author's identity and religious message.

      BTW, while many who study this kind of document regard spelling errors as evidence of a hoax, Gordon regarded it as possible evidence of a poorly encyphered message with some letter(s) being forced into place.

  85. Noah's Ark Hoax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Jammal Ark Hoax fooled creationists, and CBS television. What was claimed to be a piece of Noah's Ark was really a railway tie soaked in teriyaki sauce.

  86. War of the Worlds radio broadcast by Intron · · Score: 1

    We're coming up on the 70th anniversary of the Orson Welles broadcast on Halloween 1938. Not really a hoax, since they told listeners during the broadcast that they were listening to a radio play.

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  87. Loch Ness? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    I know it's not exactly a scientific hoax, but there have been many scientists who have wasted a lot of time and resources to prove nothing...

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  88. Reaganomics and its false promises. by cwcpetech · · Score: 1

    Since it's a science, why not include something from economics? The hoax would be the part where it was supposed to help versus the reality of it causing long-term harm.

  89. Inadvertent Hoax? by DynaSoar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not fraud, because they truly believed what they saw and their publications supported it. And then it went far beyond the source.

    Binaural Beat, or EEG "beat frequency" brain stimulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_frequency (see Binaural Beat section), as originated at The Monroe Institute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_institute (TMI).

    In acoustics, two beats of nearly the same frequency interfere to produce a change in summed volume of a period equal to the difference between the two frequencies. At TMI, they found that if they played sine waves into each ear of a slightly different frequency, they could detect an increase in EEG power at the beat frequency. I was so taken with an article in OMNI on TMI that I saved it for over a decade until I started studying EEG research under Karl Pribram.

    Once I started studying it, a glaring error came to mind. We had to put subjects in a Gaussian cage to shield them from stray signals from the heaters and pumps for the swimming pool elsewhere in the building our lab was at. These caused induced currents in the EEG. If that was necessary, how could they justify putting electromagenticially driven headphones on top an EEG cap?

    To first pull things apart, I tested a single subject -- a styrofoam head (a wig stand) with EEG cap and headphones on it. I was able to show power increases at precisely the same frequencies as the beat signal. (I'd first suggested using a bowl of Jell-O. Karl suggested not to, since he'd found increases in alpha waves in a bowl of Jell-O when shaken. No, I don't know why. Neither did Karl. We just thought it was extremely cool.)

    To make it more official, I helped teach some students at University of Virginia at Wise to run EEG research. Their EEG system could produce sound remotely in a closed box and transmit it via air conduction up long plastic tubes into the ears -- no electromagnets anywhere near the head. They ran it this was as well as the traditional Monroe way (headphones on top of EEG cap). In the each of the same subjects, the traditional method produced power increases at the beat frequency. With air conduction stimuli, no changes were observed.

    My two greatest joys in science are having undergrads produce results presented at international conferences, and in bursting the bubbles of old farts in the field. This particular project resulted in both. Not only did TMI present several pieces of research as valid, but many other people used the same set up and got stuff published elsewhere. Go to PubMed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez and put in "binaural beat" to get the relevant results (and some not relevant, but they're easy to tell apart).

    Now, you'd think that once results are presented that show it's bogus, people would quit. Not so. We did the work on 2002. Check the dates on the PubMed results. Now, that's kind of fraudulent, but more a sign that there's way too many people publishing way too many things in way too many places to be able to keep track of everything. OTOH, our work isn't in PubMed because it was a conference presentation.

    What is fraudulent is the many places that produce all sorts of new agey junk based on binaural beat, claiming there's scientific evidence, but not ever quoting any, whether the original well done but slightly fatally flawed TMI work, or any subsequent. Also fairly fraudulent by TMI and all the others is claims that specific frequency differences can be used to produce specific changes such as, oh hell, here's just a sampling from TMI: http://monroeinstitute.com/store/home.php

    I try to go easy on the scientific community when it comes to possible fraud claims in this area. To their credit, there used to be many more people producing work in this field, including some at U. Va. itself. In fact some from U/

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    1. Re:Inadvertent Hoax? by hellgate · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Do you have a publication / conference paper that documents your 2002 findings?

    2. Re:Inadvertent Hoax? by narcc · · Score: 1

      Frequency-following responses are pretty well established. How the poster can claim otherwise is beyond me.

      This paper from the 1970's addresses the problems the parent claims have simply gone unnoticed: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/169/3951/1222

      If you're interested in the topic, do what the parent is apparently incapable of doing: a literature review!

    3. Re:Inadvertent Hoax? by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

      Frequency-following responses are pretty well established. How the poster can claim otherwise is beyond me.

      This paper from the 1970's addresses the problems the parent claims have simply gone unnoticed: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/169/3951/1222

      If you're interested in the topic, do what the parent is apparently incapable of doing: a literature review!

      That's a pretty well developed pot/kettle correlation effect you've got there. Hope you enjoy it.

      FFR is the response in the auditory system to a continuous stimulus while while the frequency remains constant or while changing (it's trivial in the former, interesting in the latter). It's produced by the signal from the hair cells to the olivary nucleus. It represents the fact that the hair cells transduce the incoming frequencies in a nearly analog fashion. They proceed along the converging cochlea, and as they get smaller, respond to higher frequencies. It is measured as the FFR from the ear to the primary auditory cortex.

      That has nothing to do with binaural beat. The latter is an artifact of beat frequency. In order to produce effects detectable by and interesting to known EEG frequencies, the beat frequency, ie. the difference between the two tones, must be very low. Typically the beat frequency is set at something like 4 to 7 Hz to induce theta, 7 to 12 for alpha, 12 to 20 for beta (the precise numbers vary wildly between opinions for no good reason). The beat frequency is too low for the hair cells to react to. There is no FFR below 20 Hz. There can be two simultaneous responses, at say 440 Hz A and 450 Hz. There are two FFRs to these, A beat pattern can be seen if the instrument detects signals from the two frequencies. That only means the instrument is detecting two frequencies that interfere in the context of the instrument. It does not mean there is such a frequency, that the auditory system can respond to a 10 Hz signal (which doesn't actually exist), or that a signal is being induced by the frequencies presented.

      Not only can I do a literature search, I can trim down the collected works by excluding the irrelevant, as is FFR. I did it 6 years ago, and I did it now. I can do this because I know enough about the subject to know whether something is pertinent or whether it just happens to have some words and/or phenomena that are similar, but explicate a subject entirely different from that which is under examination. If you'd done a literature search on the material I was writing about, for instance the work from TMI, you'd find that the observed induced power changes happened over a much wider area than the primary auditory cortex (ie. not FFR).

      In summary, BB != FFR. We studied the former using beat frequencies well below the response range of the auditory system, and thus produce FFR. In the exceedingly unlikely event we happened to pick up beat frequency induced changes in FFR, it begs the question as to why we saw only it when the subject was wearing an EEG cap with headphones over it, as opposed to the complete lack of response to the same tones presented to the same people when using the air conduction auditory stimulus mechanism.

      To respond to the previous follow-up (hellgate (85557)), the results are maintained my colleague that runs the lab at U.Va. Wise: http://people.uvawise.edu/jeh2b/ The presentation was at the meeting of the Society of Psychophysiological Research (SPR), October 2002.

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  90. Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ***ducks***

  91. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your trolling is too obvious for this place. Go back to Digg, that's more your speed.

  92. Absolutely! by HEbGb · · Score: 1

    Right you are, the scope of this swindle is unmatched.

  93. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Nikolai+D. · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry man. But i'm serious.

  94. An April Fools Genomics Joke by damn_registrars · · Score: 1
    Several years back, The Institute For Genetic Research (TIGR) announced that they had sequenced the genome of the Tyrannosaurus Rex. Several jokes were embedded:
    • T Rex International Paleontonomics Experiment (TRIPE)
    • Credit Given to Ross Geller
    • Genes "identified" included TINY_ARMS and SMALL_BRAIN
    • DNA was said to be extracted from a fossilized big toe

    Of course, this was all placed on April 1 of approximately 2002, and promptly removed on April 2. It was understood to be a hoax, but still a very funny one.

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  95. The article forgot or missed Dihydrogen Monoxide by bcmbyte · · Score: 2, Informative

    Who can forget the very toxic substance Dihydrogen Monoxide? How many dozens of people have fallen for this???
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

  96. Hotheaded Naked Ice Borers by konohitowa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This one's a classic from the April 1995 issue of Discover mag. A friend compounded things by handing it to me in August - the bastard. Maybe if I had known what 'pazzo' meant at the time...

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    April Pazzo was about to call it a day when she noticed that the penquins she was observing seemed strangely agitated. Pazzo, a wildlife biologist, was in Antarctica studying penguins at a remote, poorly explored area along the coast of the Ross Sea. "I was getting ready to release a penguin I had tagged when I heard a lot of squawking," says Pazzo. "When I looked up, the whole flock had sort of stampeded. They were waddling away faster than I'd ever seen them move."

    Pazzo waded through the panicked birds to find out what was wrong. She found one penguin that hadn't fled. "It was sinking into the ice as if into quicksand," she says. Somehow the ice beneath the bird had melted; the penguin was waist deep in slush. Pazzo tried to help the struggling penguin. She grabbed its wings and pulled. With a heave she freed the bird. But the penguin wasn't the only thing she hauled from the slush. About a dozen small, hairless pink molelike creatures had clamped their jaws onto the penguin's lower body. Pazzo managed to capture one of the creatures -- the others quickly released their grip and vanished into the slush.

    Over the next few months Pazzo caught several of the animals and watched others in the wild. She calls the strange new species hotheaded naked ice borers. "They're repulsive," says Pazzo. Adults are about six inches long, weigh a few ounces, have a very high metabolic rate -- their body temperature is 110 degrees -- and live in labyrinthine tunnels carved in the ice.

    Perhaps their most fascinating feature is a bony plate on their forehead. Innumerable blood vessels line the skin covering the plate. The animals radiate tremendous amounts of body heat through their "hot plates," which they use to melt their tunnels in ice and to hunt their favorite prey: penguins.

    A pack of ice borers will cluster under a penguin and melt the ice and snow it's standing on. When the hapless bird sinks into the slush, the ice borers attack, dispatching it with bites of their sharp incisors. They then carve it up and carry its flesh back to their burrows, leaving behind only webbed feet, a beak, and some feathers. "They travel through the ice at surprisingly high speeds," says Pazzo, "much faster than a penguin can waddle."

    Pazzo's discovery may also help solve a long-standing Antarctic mystery: What happened to the heroic polar explorer Phillipe Poisson, who disappeared in Antarctica without a trace in 1837? "I wouldn't rule out the possibility that a big pack of ice borers got him," says Pazzo. "I've seen what these things do to emporer penguins -- it isn't pretty -- and emporers can be as much as four feet tall. Poisson was about 5 foot 6. To the ice borers, he would have looked like a big penguin."

  97. Water powered vehicle by gsgriffin · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this is too recent to be forgotten, but the huge announcements of the breakthrough of water powered cars that only release oxygen and water is always a good show stopper. Just funny home many times this keeps coming up and news stations keep latching onto it.

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  98. Hydrogen power by roesti · · Score: 1
    The so-called hydrogen economy is one of my pet peeves.

    We've been hearing stories for 30 years about water-powered cars, and every single one of them has been a hoax. We get a new one every year, and the story doesn't get any more interesting. They never show you how their engine works, because, simply enough, it doesn't.

    It's sad to think that so many major car manufacturers have bought into the hydrogen fuel cell nonsense. By rights, you'd think that someone, somewhere, would know enough about where the energy comes from to have put a stop to it years ago. As it stands, it's the fuel of the future - and it always will be.

  99. Besides Global Warming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest and most successful fraud was that the Earth is the center of the universe. Humanity lived with that for millenia.

  100. Evolution by michaewlewis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Saying that the big bang, or fish turning into men, or fossils being millions of years old seems like a hoax. None of it is observable or repeatable. Saying that watching a butterfly change/adapt to a new environment equals men evolving from monkeys or fish, is like comparing apples to potatoes. Sure, they're both round and grow, but really, that's about it.
    I do understand that most of you who believe in evolution will never even consider creationism. Not because it lacks credibility, but because your presuppositions are most likely already ingrained in your head and no amount of evidence will sway you. It really goes both ways. Both sides are thick headed. But, for those who aren't so thick headed and are interested in expanding their little box, here's a starting point to some research.
    https://www.csm.org.uk/faqs.php

  101. Bullshit! by Grog6 · · Score: 1

    I have yet to see anyone do anything other than binge junk food and play Quake as a result of Weed addiction.

    No one has ever been busted for selling their Children/grandmother into prostitution for a joint...Ever!

    I do have a lot of experience with losing friends over other addictions; weed isn't even in the country, let alone close.

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    1. Re:Bullshit! by shimmyshimpson · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      Get whacked on weed, get hungry, talk crap, play video games, go to sleep. Rinse, repeat.

      Get drunk out of your mind, act like a fool, get into fight, get punched out, you and your dead liver then fall through a plate glass window.

      Get whacked on Ice/Speed etc etc stay awake for three days, see spiders all over the walls, get into fight with 6 cops, with luck you're in hospital in the crazy ward being tied to a bed , without luck you're full of holes on the street.

      He's right, weed isn't even in the same ballpark.

      Simple really.

  102. War of the Worlds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    comes to mind. Not a scientific hoax per se, but it had enough believers to cause mass panic.

  103. cracked.com by joemawlma · · Score: 1

    I love cracked.com as much as anybody, but I'm surprised to see newscientist.com actually use their idea.

  104. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Repossessed · · Score: 1

    Ok, so just to make sure I understand you right, creationists really *do* believe there's a massive conspiracy behind the theory of evolution? Running from every physicist geologist and astronomer who does the experiments to let us date the fossil evidence, to the geneticists lying to us about DNA, the doctors lying to us about diseases developing resistance to drugs (that one I might buy...), every mathematician whose studied mutation+natural selection properties, everyone who ever dig up homo habilis skull, all of these people are lying to us?

    Hmm, how do they embed the fossils I've dug up into the rock like that? It's a neat trick.

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  105. The "real" planet Vulcan should be top 10 by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

    Mercury's eccentric orbit had many astronomers believing there was another planet in the solar system, which they named Vulcan. Then in 1915 Einstein dreamed up the Theory Of Relativity, which explained almost all the eccentricity of Mercury's orbit.

    What most don't realize is that Albert Einstein was in fact a Zindi from the future, sent to annihilate Vulcan and substitute a fancy cover story so we would never make first contact.

    Man, would that ever make for a bad TV series!

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    1. Re:The "real" planet Vulcan should be top 10 by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? That would make an awesome TV series. Every episode Einstein (known to the rest of the cast as "Mr. E") could solve some mundane problem via his awesome scientific powers - sort of like MacGyver but with class. For the love interest, Summer Glau could play Marilyn Monroe (she's the spitting image, don't you think?)

    2. Re:The "real" planet Vulcan should be top 10 by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

      Dude, I was mocking Star Trek: Enterprise. There are only two good things about that show and they're mounted on the upper frontal torso of Jolene Blalock.

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  106. ME and Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you only consider ME and Vista as supposed "upgrades", then it's actually not very funny at all.

  107. Intelligent Design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While calling it "Scientific" even within the context of this article is probably giving it too much credit, I think the entire idea of ID being even remotely considered as Scientific has to be considered one of the greatest hoaxes of the 20th century.

    Not even going to mention the idea of "Christian Science", since that is so wrong as to not even qualify as a hoax...

  108. anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    evolution is the biggest scientific hoax of all time.

    1. Re:anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prove it! meh ;p

  109. I have one by kimvette · · Score: 1

    Haeckel's embryo pictures

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  110. man made global warming by timmarhy · · Score: 1

    fuck all science behind it but everyone believes it.

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  111. There are so many others... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ernst Haeckel's embryo research (http://www.uark.edu/~cdm/creation/shame.htm)

  112. Kensington Runestone by kherr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Kensington Runestone is an intriguing item in my neck of the woods. It's largely considered a hoax these days, but there will always be believers. It's pretty elaborate for a hoax if it is one, causing a century of controversy.

  113. the North American house Hippo! by KPexEA · · Score: 2, Funny
  114. I would include another classic: by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Informative

    Isaac Asimov's fake thesis paper from his college days: "The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline".

    In it, he described a substance that would actually dissolve just before it touched the solvent. This is a great one, well worth the read if you can find it.

    This prank was not actually "pulled" on anyone, but when the professors who were to judge his real thesis caught wind of it, he was strongly reprimanded and apparently there was some question about whether he would be given his doctorate.

  115. There's a sucker born every minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (And the owners, not P.T. Barnum, were the ones to say "there's a sucker born every minute" due to this event, but Barnum somehow stole credit for that, too!)

  116. Fads and Fallacies by xjimhb · · Score: 1

    This one reminded me of a book, one of my favorites back in my college days, titled "Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science" by Martin Gardner. Originally (c)1952, revised Dover version (c)1957.

    It includes such gems as Flat Earth and Hollow Earth, the Babson Gravitation Institute, and Bridey Murphy. I haven't looked at it in many years, but my treasured copy sits on the shelf, and this may prompt me to pull it down and reread it.

    I wouldn't have thought it was still in print, but gosh, golly, IT IS! (Just checked amazon.com).

    I highly recommend it if you are interested in this sort of thing.

  117. Did you hear the one from Al Gore? It's a hoot ! by xfea · · Score: 1

    Global Warming is quickly going down as a bunch of Barbara Streisand.

  118. Most famous hoax? by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 1

    That's easy - global warming.

    It's so cold here now, I don't even need flame retardent underwear for the undeserved flames this will generate.

  119. Re:I didn't think anything.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Genocide with a twist or natural selection so those ignorant fools will face the direct impact of their ignorance but I can't decide which comment would be most appropriate here.

  120. Oh, it's just begging to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...organised religion. OK, so it says 'scientific', but the earliest 'scientists' were generally from a religious background and frequently labeled 'heretic' for discovering flaws in the 'god-designed' hypothesis (or at least, being able to show miraculous properties which a mere mortal shouldn't have been able to reproduce).

  121. Re:The list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid git.

  122. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you're not. Nobody who's "serious" cites Conservapedia as a source. You're not fooling anyone.

  123. Correction? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    I remember reading a description of the events by Asimov as in introduction to the "story" in one of his anthologies. Other sources have stated it differently, and present that the professors who were reviewing his thesis were amused by the spoof. Perhaps my memory was swayed by Asimov's telling of his own misgivings at the time.

  124. The Body Ritual by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

    ... Among the Nacirema,
    published in American Anthropologist 58:3, June 1956.

  125. They left out eggs... by fortapocalypse · · Score: 1

    How do they get the eggs inside those shells anyway? I smell a hoax.

  126. Re:I didn't think anything.... by afabbro · · Score: 1

    Congratulations, you successfully managed to disprove a mainstream scientific theory admitted by an overwhelmingly large scientific consensus that depends on this consensus for continued funding.

    I fixed it for you.

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  127. Re:Spaghetti tree (Aliens topic) by ftide · · Score: 1

    Here's a "little gray men" fiasco which I have personal experience with. This UFO abductee and charlatan along with his group of friendlies really got to the serious UFO investigators, crystal-loving peaceniks and hippies back in the day:

    Brian Allen Scott is a purported UFO abductee who claims to have been kidnapped by gray aliens while living with his family in Arizona. Later in the 1970s not long after building up this story with additional claims of continued contact with and abductions by the same type of aliens, Scott makes a glory hound visit to Peru, South America with some bosom buddies. After interpreting strange etchings in boulders and rocks near the Nazca Lines as the Incans' ancient account of visitors from space, Scott stepped under an arch at Isla Del Sol in Tiahuanaco between the borders of Bolivia and Peru and reportedly became spiritually "transformed," somehow becoming a personal conduit for an intergalactic being named Voltar who was both the essence of a larger, gray alien and the reincarnation of Incan god Ticci Viracocha. Scott returned to "spread the word of Voltar" to the public in Tustin, Orange County, California.

    While getting his group to videotape his tirades in Tustin and at the same time forming a network behind the scenes with the Tustin City Council, Scott gained increased publicity within the community of UFO believers. Receiving considerable private funds and having a play based off of his supposed encounter, Scott and his cohorts devised a media campaign revolving around traveling to Washington D.C. to the Jimmy Carter White House just before the Iranian hostage crisis started to try to deliver a "message" from Voltar under the pretext of what Scott, et al. called the "The Voice of Common Man". This message also contained a prophecy about a race of benevolent large aliens mentioned once before returning to Earth in 2011.

    Scott's stories of abduction and having been the living reincarnation of Viracocha have been thoroughly debunked by several UFO researchers and a scientist over the years on purely evidential grounds, lack of meaningful corroboration and Scott being unable to reproduce quantifiable facts based on either proof or verifiable measurements that solidly backed up his claims. The whole ordeal sounds like something out of the 1970's The Questor Tapes ( see the following paragraph with an external citation ), more recently the movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or an Erich von Daniken book.

    Scott currently works as a well paid Health Sciences designer for a defense contractor in Pennsylvania and runs a web site still maintaining he was abducted by aliens.

    http://www.talkingpix.co.uk/ArticleGaucheEncounters.html

    "...The Seventies brought into prominence a case involving a character named Brian Scott. It was written up in a book called The Etherian Invasion and was critically dissected in a paper by Alvin Lawson for the 1976 CUFOS conference. Scott's aliens are clones of a central host intelligence in the form of a vast on-board computer. There is a second floor on the saucer where young clones are grown in cylinders. During an early hypnosis session Scott feels his heart has left his body. In the third hypnosis session he has a vision of a cataclysm sweeping the Earth and learning this would happen on December 14, 2011 from his alien Host.

    Though deeply impressed by the emotionality of Scott's recountings under hypnosis, investigators found suspicious aspects to the case that made them doubt Scott's credibility. Though they did not play a role in discounting Scott's claims at the time, cultural factors were eventually uncovered for aspects of the case. Lawson checked local TV schedules at the time of the hypnotic regressions and found a repeat of a failed TV pilot, The Questor Tapes, which had a scene of stored human clones in

  128. sounds like useless crap to me! by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    n/t.

  129. "Chemical Imbalance" and antidepressants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biggest hoax is that antidepressants work by fixing a "chemical Imbalance". Completely unfounded that depression is caused by such a thing. Equally preposterous that antidepressants would somehow fix this imbalance. The only scientific explanation as of yet, is that antiD, dull the emotions, to the point that the person cant feel the depression.

  130. Re:I didn't think anything.... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    Let me guess, American?

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  131. Obiviously, the best and longest running is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrino [Wikipedia.org]

    Garnered 6 million in funding, had a Board of Directors from Wall Street. Absolutly and completely fake. Total lies. unverifiale clams. Someone still holding onto Cold Fusion.

    YET! Some people still believe in the tooth fairy, flat earth society

  132. Strange list by bytesex · · Score: 1

    To compare the South Korean cloning scam with the Piltdown man is a stretch - the latter was a joke while the former really just a bit of bluffing from a proper scientist who otherwise had performed quite impressively in his field.

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  133. the best: cold fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.princeton.edu/~chm333/2002/spring/Fusion/tour2/coldfusion2.html

  134. One word: by Phroggy · · Score: 1
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  135. 10 feet ? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    Why does anyone believe this kind of rise in sea-levels is going to happen? Stop and think for a minute. How far has the ocean risen in the last 10 years? maybe an inch? So we could expect maybe two feet in my lifetime if the rate of increase doubles. And even if it does rise 10 feet, would it really be that hard to move out of the way? We'll have a while to do it. It beats going back to the stone-age.

  136. Economics? by fatbalduglyblob · · Score: 1

    Economics isn't science, it's just a joke. Does that count?

  137. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Nikolai+D. · · Score: 0

    No, you're not. Nobody who's "serious" cites Conservapedia as a source. You're not fooling anyone.

    Whatever ..

  138. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Nikolai+D. · · Score: 0

    Ok, so just to make sure I understand you right, creationists really *do* believe there's a massive conspiracy behind the theory of evolution? Running from every physicist geologist and astronomer who does the experiments to let us date the fossil evidence, to the geneticists lying to us about DNA, the doctors lying to us about diseases developing resistance to drugs (that one I might buy...), every mathematician whose studied mutation+natural selection properties, everyone who ever dig up homo habilis skull, all of these people are lying to us?

    Hmm, how do they embed the fossils I've dug up into the rock like that? It's a neat trick.

    If you are really interested. I would like to show you this: http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php Believe me, this is worth watching and thinking abut. You are free to decide.

  139. Man-made climate catastrophe by yklktk · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Anthropogenic global warming will prove to be the greatest 'scientific' hoax of all time - and economically one of the most disastrous.

  140. God, Creationism and Intelligent design by Barsteward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    these have to be the longest running and expanding hoaxes of all time

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    1. Re:God, Creationism and Intelligent design by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      How dare you speak of the FSM in all his Noodly Splendor that way!

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  141. Why shouldn't you start your comment in subject? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because it's fucking annoying.

  142. Re:Mod abuse alert - parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your post is wishful thinking, unfortunately.

  143. Chemtrails and Flying Rods by andyh3930 · · Score: 1

    While not actually a scientific hoax (As no one with even the slightest scientific knowledge can think it possible) are the most inane thing to believe is true. Just simple observation can prove this is just nonsense and is a shows the shocking state of education in the world.

    For those who have heard of these woo woo theory start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_(cryptozoology)

    I mean ffs one is the ejection of moisture and condensation nuclei from jet engines and the other is fsking lens blur.

  144. elena ceaucescu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What surprises me is that elena ceaucescu was not on the list. Not only did she barely pass fourth grade, but after her husband took power over Romania, she - somehow - held a Ph.D. in chemistry, and "authored" several scientific papers (actually written by romanian scientists). Then again, i doubt anybody took her seriously so perhaps this was a joke more than a hoax. on a somewhat off topic note: anybody in the Boston area can see a hilarious take on Ceaucescu's regime (while mercilessly making fun of Elena's intellectual abilities) in the play "communist dracula pageant".

  145. Sokal hoax by ynohoo · · Score: 1

    from the article:

    "When the journal published it, Sokal revealed that the paper was in fact a spoof. The incident triggered a storm of debate about the ethics of Sokal's prank."

    The hell it did - it triggered a storm about the bullshit that passes for meaningful discourse under the banner of "post-modernism".

  146. Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the probabilities don't work out, it's nice to just add on a few million years to "give it time."

  147. Perl 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No need to say more

  148. Forgot one by jandersen · · Score: 1

    My favorite hoax is "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.

  149. Greatest Hoax: Human Caused Global Warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Definitely Human Caused Global Warming.

  150. Correction by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 1

    Whales are not fish.

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  151. Are you ready to get pumped? by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 1

    Hi, this post is all about Upas trees, REAL Upas trees. This post is awesome! My username is SlowMovingTarget and I can't stop thinking about Upas trees. These trees are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

    Facts:

    1. Upas trees are not mammals.
    2. Upas trees poison ALL the time.
    3. The purpose of the Upas tree is to flip out and kill people.

    Testimonial:
    Upas trees can kill anyone they want! These trees are so crazy awesome that they flip out ALL the time! I heard that there was this Upas tree in Java that was sitting around soaking up sun. And when some dude leaned on the tree the tree killed the whole town. And that's what I call REAL ULTIMATE POWER!

  152. Get a dictionary... by Lauwenmark · · Score: 2, Insightful
    hoax: something intended to deceive; deliberate trickery intended to gain an advantage

    Anthropogenic Global Warming is a scientifical theory that has yet to be clearly disproven. Even if it has since been recycled by politicians to fill their own personal agenda, it is originally an hypothesis that was formulated on the sole base of observable facts, outside of any manipulation intend.

    Now, get an English dictionary, and find the differences between meaning of the words "hoax" and "hypothesis". Using your own personal definition, Ptolemy's Almagest was also an hoax, since it was ultimately disproven yet used by the Church authorities to fill a political agenda.

    Summary: an hoax implies conscious fraud; an hypothesis doesn't.

  153. Bogdanov brothers by mzs · · Score: 1

    They simply wrote gibberish and statements that were no more than simple tautologies when you boiled away the strained lingo in a few physics journals and now they have had two French TV shows including Temps X.

    There are some more good ones (some duplicates to the linked article) at http://www.cracked.com/article_16696_6-ballsiest-scientific-frauds-people-actually-fell.html.

  154. Correction of Your Correction by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

    Whales are not fish.

    The Norwegian maritime economy does not wholly consist of catching whales anymore than, say, the Seattle maritime economy consists of catching salmon. A comment like yours is deserving of a good fish slap.

  155. You've *got* to be kidding... by Rubikon · · Score: 1

    Not one solitary mention of cold fusion? not even an honorable mention?

    Pfffft, some list that is...

  156. Moller SkyCar by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    EOM.

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  157. Nucleostop, filters nuke power out of your home! by An+dochasac · · Score: 2, Funny
    E-meter doesn't hold a candle to nucleostop. DanT's blog at Sun has a summary translated to English. Here are some highlighted features:

    The Problem: In every region of Germany, between 45% and 86.3% of the electricity that flows from the outlets is from nuclear power. Everyone has to use this electricity, regardless of whether he wants to or not. Even nature activists have no choice. Plus the energy lobby keep telling us that electricity is electricity.

    The Solution: NucleoSTOP, a compact device, is the answer. Through an innovative process, electricity from nuclear power is recognized and, before it can flow through your appliances, is sent back to the source.

    The device can be easily attached to any power outlet -- ideally at the house's main circuit -- and you can immediately use electricity with a clean conscience. And the nuclear lobby doesn't profit from it.

    Technical Info: Nuclear fission is the source of electricity from nuclear power. Along with the well known energy discharge from fission, a second discharge occurs, called the tachyon impulse, which, unlike the rest of the released energy, cannot be altered. This tachyon impulse gives all of the energy produced from fission a special signature, which is immutable due to the law of conservation of engergy. Consequently, all electricity from nuclear power is marked with this signature.

  158. Re:Atheism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I kept trying to type something discursive.... Just erased the 3rd draft of that effort.

    I don't think I want to go down that path.

    -Secular Humanist

  159. XY genes determines sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We were told in school that XY genes determine sex.

    How would you explain then that:

    1. Some females become males when there are no males around? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-396612/Third-male-fish-rivers-changing-sex.html and

    2. Some species determine sex by the temperature the eggs are exposed to? http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v451/n7178/edsumm/e080131-08.html

  160. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Repossessed · · Score: 1

    Did you seriously link me to the site of the guy who got sent to prison for swiping millions of dollars out of a 'non profit' and then refusing to pay taxes on it? Also, you didn't answer the question, do you really believe there is a massive conspiracy behind evolution?

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  161. Well, we made the Dust Bowl. by EWAdams · · Score: 1

    Dug up all the strong-rooted prairie plants so that we could plant crops there, and the first really big storm that came along made a hell of a mess. Turned the Aral Sea into a poisonous sump. Wiped out a whole lot of species. Introduced other species that severely disturbed the local dynamic equilibrium.

    When humans set out to change the Earth they're pretty good at it. When they interfere with systems that they don't understand, unforeseen consequences occur, especially if they happen to coincide with undesirable natural phenomena. I think you underestimate the human power to screw things up.

    Any way you look at it, dumping large quantities of toxic chemicals into the atmosphere ain't really a great idea.

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    1. Re:Well, we made the Dust Bowl. by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Any way you look at it, dumping large quantities of toxic chemicals into the atmosphere ain't really a great idea.

      On that we agree. CO2 isn't one of said toxic chemicals though.

    2. Re:Well, we made the Dust Bowl. by EWAdams · · Score: 1

      > On that we agree. CO2 isn't one of said toxic chemicals though.

      Try breathing it instead of oxygen.

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  162. Bah by grishknash · · Score: 1

    Clearly the intelligent design crowd is pushing the greatest science [non-science truly] hoax of all time.

  163. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Nikolai+D. · · Score: 0

    Did you seriously link me to the site of the guy who got sent to prison for swiping millions of dollars out of a 'non profit' and then refusing to pay taxes on it? Also, you didn't answer the question, do you really believe there is a massive conspiracy behind evolution?

    Euhm. Hi agane. Good morning. I find it nice we are talking. I hope that is like that. What can i say. Best what i can say, and i do it alweys. Because ive seen it working. I can only open my heart and say what i know. What i have in my heart. Look you asked me very interesting question. But at the same time very complicated one. I can write alot about it. But i have to spend also some time to digg it all on the net in English. About 6 or 7 different kinds of evolution that are there. And only one of them is real. Its molecular microevolution. (Your example with drugs and desiases). Here a quote "*NOTE: When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God: 1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves. 2. Planets and stars formed from space dust. 3. Matter created life by itself. 4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves. 5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals)." This all is immagenary. So instead of searching it up i decided to show you the best explanation that is there available on the internet. To watch videos is a littlebit easyer then read. Also, sometimes people tellme that he is in prison now. And taxes issue. I didnt knew it before someone told me that on internet. I watched those videos before that. But for me in the first place it doesnt matter alot who is talking about it. But the material that there is talking about. And second. I dont know whats the conspiracy theory exactly is. I dont get it a littlebit. I cannot talk about something that i dont see or really get what is it about. If we are going to talk about New World Order or something. I dont know. Maybe yes, maybe no. Even in Kent Hovinds videos, I persnally think, maybe, its a littlebit to mutch of that. But if we are going to talk about Evolution, u ask. Then i can talk about something i know. This is something i can talk about because i know what im talking about. Look there is something, how could i name it. Some, kind of spirit. I just try to name it with my own words. Some kind of spirit or maybe an moral idea. Yes indeed that is the way maybe to explain it. Look, if there are view people that are lead (i dont know how do you write this word, sry for my English:) So, view people that are lead by the same idea. They are lead by something same. Other group havee other idea, they are lead by something different. So we can give it a name, something like spirit, so we get "Spirit This" and "spirit that". Wow thats getting interesting. Mathematics are usefull here. So lets name "Spitir This" = X and "spirit that" = y. So.. Next. Ohh, im heading here a littlebit not in the dirrection i wanted. But ok. So this some kind of spirit can influence different people. And One Spirit can lead in one direction. And other spirit can lead to another direction. Then i can say (i could of ask, but there is no other answer) What is the most important in the life of a human? The life itself. If there is no life there is nothing else anymore. This is everything or nothing. So, this something that we called X and y can lead people to everything or nothing, life or death. Why i explain it like this. I dont want to pop up big names. That you can directly get controversive about. But i want to explain the idea behind it. So One leads people to life. And other leads people to death. By any means. All possible to use to lead people to it. One of the means of a bad one, that leads to death is that evolution kind of hoax. Here. Ive spend some time, with pleasure to show whats happening in my heart. You are free to think and make your decisions. I wish the best for you. Have a nice day. Nikolai

  164. Re:Nucleostop, filters nuke power out of your home by Bloodoflethe · · Score: 1

    Oh meh geh, that's the best site ever. Where's my electronic pen so I can sign the electronic receipt for my credit transaction?!

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  165. Re:The greatest "scientific" hoax! by Repossessed · · Score: 1

    1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves. 2. Planets and stars formed from space dust. 3. Matter created life by itself.

    These first three aren't actually part of evolution. The others I accept are hard to swallow, but how then do you account for the massive evidence that these happened? (Don't claim missing link without giving an example, you'll have a hard time finding one)

    The Microevolution thing is a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy, every time we discover a major change the bar for what constitutes microevolution and what constitutes evolution gets changed by the nay sayers.

    I'm afraid you lost me on the other stuff? Is it an argument for morality type thing, that the no evolution world view is better than other? Or that evolution is wring because you'll be punished for believing it?

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  166. Duncan Lunan? by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

    Can someone help me here please:
    All I have to go on is a name, "Duncan Lunan", and the so called deciphering of a message from outer space

    - wasn't there some kind of hoax involved here?

    References on the Web seem to be verbose and fragmented.

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  167. Weather != Climate by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    That blows my mind because I watch the Weather Channel and they can't even get things right for the next week. If we've got models that can go out 10-50 years accurately, why the hell is the weather forecast still so bad?

    Because they aren't the same thing.

    I can't predict exactly the position and momentum of a single particle.
    I can predict the position and momentum of the baseball it's a part of.

    I can't predict the economic decisions of a single person.
    I can predict that a recession is coming.

    I can't predict the lifespan of an individual cancer patient.
    I can tell you the average lifespan of people suffering from that specific kind of cancer.

    I can't tell you whether an individual popcorn kernel will pop.
    I can tell you how much time it will take to pop 95% of the corn.

    I can't tell you where a random driver on the road is going and how long it will take to get there.
    I can tell you how long a traffic jam that they are in is likely to last.

    There are a lot of localized, seemingly random phenomena that I can't tell you a THING about, but when you step back and look at a large enough scale, a strong pattern emerges. Weather is too small and too short of a time-scale dominated by strongly pseudo-random external forces to predict. Climate is not. Climate is kind of the "average" of weather, and that's a LOT easier to predict. Sadly, many people like yourself don't understand the difference between how systems act at large and small scales. In other words, they don't get the big picture.

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