I don't understand why this was moderated flamebait. I suppose it could have been worded differently, but there is a valid point. Some people loved Microsoft in the late 80s and early 90s. Microsoft provided the software that was an alternative to Mac OS. People who hated Apple loved it.
Microsoft agreed to make changes. Why push it further? I don't like Microsoft's business practices, but I don't see how google is all that much better as of late.
It is more expensive now in some ways, but consider the Canon Bubblejets from the mid 90s. My first printer in 1995 was $430 at BestBuy. IT was a BJC-600e. Each color was seperate to "save" money. The thing was you had to go through a massive cleaning cycle when you replaced ink. To replace all colors was $32 when I first bought the thing and it only went up from there. If I just printed black with it, I could do 6 months before it dried up. That was when I was in high school and writing English papers. In college, that would have been a month at best. HPs from that era saturated paper, but they still managed to last longer somehow. Until recently, it always seemed like HP printers used less ink on Macs. I loved the Canon output at the time, but it was near impossible to keep those things running well. A third party ink cartridge ruined my print head and canon fixed it under warrenty anyway. I eventually switched to HP to get Mac support.
Printing has always been expensive, its just more expensive for people who print more now. That seems fair to me. At several periods of my life, I've printed very little. It was costly to keep the printer running well. Now, if the think dies I can replace it for $40 and buy ink for $15. With the small cartridges I get about 1 semester out of them in college. That's printing source code for CS classes and writing papers for Lit classes. Best of all, my $40 printer works on my PC or Mac. There are upsides to the way things are now.
Still, I think my next printer will be a laserjet.
Well I suggest you look at the FreeBSD handbook on their website. FreeBSD has some of the best documentation of any OS I've ever used. What you need to do depends on the OS version you are running.
cvsup your src, make buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkernel, reboot on the new kernel in single user mode, make installworld, mergemaster (carefully). Sometimes you need a mergemaster -p in there./usr/src/UPDATING often has directions that you need to read. Also, I usually just skip single user mode. If the OS version isn't that far apart you can usually get away with it. Its not correct, but it works.
If its a recent version, you can just run portsnap to update ports.
portsnap fetch extract (first time use) portsnap fetch update (every other time)
You can install portsnap from ports if you have a slightly older version.
The mergemaster step is when you'll possibly overwrite your config files for src updates. make world is a very old way to do it. You wouldn't use that now except for building jails.
The important advice is to read the handbook. Feel free to ask questions on the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list too. They tend to be quite nice on there.
The guy made a mistake saying "server", but optiplex and precision machines come in desktop form. There are also precision laptops. He mentioned two classes of business end user machines and also the poweredge server line.
As for the ubuntu thing, how is this different than saying that Dell recommends Vista Business or Vista Ultimate to business customers? Ubuntu pushes themselves as a desktop os for consumers. Redhat Enterprise and Suse are for business use explicitly. It makes perfect sense to me.
1. Lie. Always tell tell its their OS and you ran the windows program... 2. Why did you make the same mistake twice? If they didn't support linux on the server, why tell them about the desktop? 3. Keep calling. I had a problem with them not honoring systems at my last job because we had our own XP image. I told its normal for businesses to run common images so suck it up and support us. One guy wouldn't but another indian agreed to it. They did support the netware box we had.
Take your business elsewhere if they won't support their hardware.
Internet Explorer, but that might fit under the virus/spyware category:)
Seriously, websites are often not compatible with other browsers. Firefox is the closest competitor and it doesn't work on legacy intranet (read business) sites.
PowerPoint is also popular in some circles. That can run on a Mac. Really any Office application. Not everyone considers OpenOffice equivalent.
I'll address point A. First, Linux is installed on many old computers in addition to new systems. Second, what "safe" resolution do you suggest above 1024 x 768? I have a laptop monitor that are still 1024 x 768. I replaced a 1280 x 1024 monitor with a 1440 x 900 monitor that will not display 1280 x 1024. In fact, there are two widescreens here now. All of my current monitors and laptops will do 1024 x 768 that could also run ubuntu. Consider that I work on operating system development and this is what I have at home. You also forget that people have much different hardware in other parts of the world. Older displays are more prevalent in some countries I would imagine. Hell my mother is still using an eight year old monitor.
Perhaps they should make it easier to change or ask you during installation, but picking a higher default is stupid.
I got hung up on the fact he's blaming this incident for breaking up an engagement. If that stops your wedding, you had much bigger problems. Unless his point was that Vista is a show stopper for stupid reasons.
My experience is that Vista is about 10% slower than XP on the same system for gaming provided the game will run at all. With WoW, I get comparable frame rates after installing the 100.x series of nvidia driver. I should point out that I put in 2GB of extra RAM for a total of 2.5GB after I bought Vista because things would crash with 512MB. So really its not the same system entirely. I don't know if I really need that much. I get about 30 FPS in WoW and 11-40 FPS in ET with an nvidia 7300 PCIe and Pentium D 805.
If you do meet a 'girl', she may just email you anyway. When I met my wife, we just exchanged AOL screen names. (Yes, I used that awful service in the 90s) No need for one of those pesky phones. I didn't even know her number for the first month.
Linux does have a lead in hardware support. Binary blobs are available and BSDs can't tap the drivers written because of licensing to catch up. The Linux community is much more accepting of commercial endevors. Sometimes that is a good trait and sometimes its not. OpenBSD has gained attention for fighting binary blobs. FreeBSD has embrased binary blobs with their intel wireless deal. OpenBSD's approach is better down the road, but FreeBSD is arguably a better desktop right now because they have drivers. What happens when FreeBSD 8 or 9 come out and vendors stop supporting the new or old versions?
You are right that most users see Gnome or KDE. I've chosen a GNUstep path with some (hopefully) custom software additions for MidnightBSD for just this reason. No one else is doing it. Apple has used some open source software in OS X and it seems to be gaining momentum. Their market share is going up. I think Apple and Mozilla has demonstrated that people don't care if they use OSS or not. We won't win them over with philosophy, but with better software at a cheaper (read free) price.
Just say it with me - Linux is not an OS. Linux/GNU is an OS. Add some a package manager and you have a distribution.
How is that different than DesktopBSD or PC-BSD? Redhat is a combination of the linux kernel + gnu tools + desktops.. its maintained in parallel with the movement of those projects and snapshots of that work are releases. Redhat has a package manager as does FreeBSD, and the other BSDs. The most noticable difference between using FreeBSD by itself or using one of the ripoffs is the package manager has a nice custom gui that's preloaded.
Also it has been argued many times that the term Linux can also be applied as a common name for the various distros using the kernel. Its an accepted use even if its not correct. If you go into a bookstore and look for a book on Linux its not about the kernel, but rather the software that makes up an OS including the linux kernel. O'Reilly published books with Linux kernel or Linux driver development in the names to distinguish. Your argument would have been useful 15 years ago, but now you've lost the battle. My first book on the os was called "Teach yourself Linux in 24 hours". I bought that in 1999. (or was it 98) It included Redhat 5.0 anyway. Even Robert Love's book on the Linux kernel is called "Linux Kernel Development." I have it sitting on my bookshelf right now in this very room.
It depends on why it failed. If its a licensing issue, BSD might work out. If its a technical issue, then it maybe in the same boat with BSD. The third reason would be user's view of Linux and BSD.
Yes, its called OS/2 Warp Plan 9 Resurrection Edition. The product will ship in two editions. The blue edition is a full featured operating system whereas the red edition is an upgrade which requires OS/2 Warp 4.0 and Windows 3.1 for full functionality. They will also throw in the bonus pack with a word processor that's still good after 12 years. Y2K updates are pending. Lotus Smartsuite and Notes will be available for an additional fee. Netscape 9.0 will be ported sometime after release, but until its ready we've included the IBM web browser which can view HTML 2.0 websites with ease. Named hosting based sites do not work (including IBM.com). Fix Pack 22 will add support for PCIe.
I would not install Firefox on my Mac if sites worked properly in Safari. I rarely use Firefox on my Mac, but its my default browser in Windows and MidnightBSD. The Mac version of Firefox sucks. Perhaps the competition with finally get the Mozilla Foundation to consider the Mac a real platform and put the effort into improving the browser. We may also see updates to IE more frequently now. I can't think of a reason this is bad.
They can also invest the money to cover Microsoft's share and earn interest on it. If they use some more aggressive approaches, they could make over 4% off Microsoft's money. Seems like a good deal to me.
Novell probably did lose OpenSuse users, but their main customer base will stick with them. Let's face it, people in education don't get that the world has moved on to other solutions like Active Directory.
Yeah maybe you didn't see the Blockbuster selects blueray announcement. I don't think HD-DVD will win this format war. A better example would be the SA-CD format (or whatever it was called). Even MiniDisc did well in Japan.
Yeah, I had a similar experience. My wife and I were in a party in an instance. I kept getting hit on by some dude in the party. I had a female mage and my wife was playing a male rouge. That moron got us all killed and then asked me if I would be interested in some action... when he found out I was a guy, he freaked out. My wife was laughing her ass off.
I have this theory that almost all the female characters in WoW are men. Most women I know that play usually pick guys so they don't get hit on all the time.
Linux hasn't failed, it just takes a long time to gain market share from Microsoft. Open source is at a disadvantage sometimes. Most of us don't have the money to get developers to write the uninteresting code that no one wants to write themselves. I guess the Linux community has that advantage with companies like Redhat, IBM and Novell in the picture.
What I find interesting is the interest in BSD distros. I know some people don't like me using the term distro as applied to BSD, but its the easiest way to explain what it really is. What I don't understand is the duplication of effort. PC-BSD and DesktopBSD are both KDE and FreeBSD based desktop environments. At least my project is original, albeit unpopular.
The fundamental reason many of us think free desktops will prevail is still there. Think of BSD systems as a backup in case Linux fails in the desktop market. Even if we all fail, we may force Microsoft and Apple to innovate to stay ahead of us.
Wow. I think you should have pushed for a refund. It was impossible for them to charge you for an imaginary phone line connected to an apartment that didn't exist.
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I don't understand why this was moderated flamebait. I suppose it could have been worded differently, but there is a valid point. Some people loved Microsoft in the late 80s and early 90s. Microsoft provided the software that was an alternative to Mac OS. People who hated Apple loved it.
Microsoft agreed to make changes. Why push it further? I don't like Microsoft's business practices, but I don't see how google is all that much better as of late.
It is more expensive now in some ways, but consider the Canon Bubblejets from the mid 90s. My first printer in 1995 was $430 at BestBuy. IT was a BJC-600e. Each color was seperate to "save" money. The thing was you had to go through a massive cleaning cycle when you replaced ink. To replace all colors was $32 when I first bought the thing and it only went up from there. If I just printed black with it, I could do 6 months before it dried up. That was when I was in high school and writing English papers. In college, that would have been a month at best. HPs from that era saturated paper, but they still managed to last longer somehow. Until recently, it always seemed like HP printers used less ink on Macs. I loved the Canon output at the time, but it was near impossible to keep those things running well. A third party ink cartridge ruined my print head and canon fixed it under warrenty anyway. I eventually switched to HP to get Mac support.
Printing has always been expensive, its just more expensive for people who print more now. That seems fair to me. At several periods of my life, I've printed very little. It was costly to keep the printer running well. Now, if the think dies I can replace it for $40 and buy ink for $15. With the small cartridges I get about 1 semester out of them in college. That's printing source code for CS classes and writing papers for Lit classes. Best of all, my $40 printer works on my PC or Mac. There are upsides to the way things are now.
Still, I think my next printer will be a laserjet.
Yeah I was expecting a lot more terminator jokes. Combine this with Windows and you have terminator 3.
Well I suggest you look at the FreeBSD handbook on their website. FreeBSD has some of the best documentation of any OS I've ever used. What you need to do depends on the OS version you are running.
/usr/src/UPDATING often has directions that you need to read. Also, I usually just skip single user mode. If the OS version isn't that far apart you can usually get away with it. Its not correct, but it works.
cvsup your src, make buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkernel, reboot on the new kernel in single user mode, make installworld, mergemaster (carefully). Sometimes you need a mergemaster -p in there.
If its a recent version, you can just run portsnap to update ports.
portsnap fetch extract (first time use)
portsnap fetch update (every other time)
You can install portsnap from ports if you have a slightly older version.
The mergemaster step is when you'll possibly overwrite your config files for src updates. make world is a very old way to do it. You wouldn't use that now except for building jails.
The important advice is to read the handbook. Feel free to ask questions on the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list too. They tend to be quite nice on there.
You do that. Actually, I was certain of her gender on the first date.
The guy made a mistake saying "server", but optiplex and precision machines come in desktop form. There are also precision laptops. He mentioned two classes of business end user machines and also the poweredge server line.
As for the ubuntu thing, how is this different than saying that Dell recommends Vista Business or Vista Ultimate to business customers? Ubuntu pushes themselves as a desktop os for consumers. Redhat Enterprise and Suse are for business use explicitly. It makes perfect sense to me.
1. Lie. Always tell tell its their OS and you ran the windows program...
2. Why did you make the same mistake twice? If they didn't support linux on the server, why tell them about the desktop?
3. Keep calling. I had a problem with them not honoring systems at my last job because we had our own XP image. I told its normal for businesses to run common images so suck it up and support us. One guy wouldn't but another indian agreed to it. They did support the netware box we had.
Take your business elsewhere if they won't support their hardware.
Internet Explorer, but that might fit under the virus/spyware category :)
Seriously, websites are often not compatible with other browsers. Firefox is the closest competitor and it doesn't work on legacy intranet (read business) sites.
PowerPoint is also popular in some circles. That can run on a Mac. Really any Office application. Not everyone considers OpenOffice equivalent.
I'll address point A. First, Linux is installed on many old computers in addition to new systems. Second, what "safe" resolution do you suggest above 1024 x 768? I have a laptop monitor that are still 1024 x 768. I replaced a 1280 x 1024 monitor with a 1440 x 900 monitor that will not display 1280 x 1024. In fact, there are two widescreens here now. All of my current monitors and laptops will do 1024 x 768 that could also run ubuntu. Consider that I work on operating system development and this is what I have at home. You also forget that people have much different hardware in other parts of the world. Older displays are more prevalent in some countries I would imagine. Hell my mother is still using an eight year old monitor.
Perhaps they should make it easier to change or ask you during installation, but picking a higher default is stupid.
I got hung up on the fact he's blaming this incident for breaking up an engagement. If that stops your wedding, you had much bigger problems. Unless his point was that Vista is a show stopper for stupid reasons.
My experience is that Vista is about 10% slower than XP on the same system for gaming provided the game will run at all. With WoW, I get comparable frame rates after installing the 100.x series of nvidia driver. I should point out that I put in 2GB of extra RAM for a total of 2.5GB after I bought Vista because things would crash with 512MB. So really its not the same system entirely. I don't know if I really need that much. I get about 30 FPS in WoW and 11-40 FPS in ET with an nvidia 7300 PCIe and Pentium D 805.
If you do meet a 'girl', she may just email you anyway. When I met my wife, we just exchanged AOL screen names. (Yes, I used that awful service in the 90s) No need for one of those pesky phones. I didn't even know her number for the first month.
SBC offered that service. It worked very well for me.
Linux does have a lead in hardware support. Binary blobs are available and BSDs can't tap the drivers written because of licensing to catch up. The Linux community is much more accepting of commercial endevors. Sometimes that is a good trait and sometimes its not. OpenBSD has gained attention for fighting binary blobs. FreeBSD has embrased binary blobs with their intel wireless deal. OpenBSD's approach is better down the road, but FreeBSD is arguably a better desktop right now because they have drivers. What happens when FreeBSD 8 or 9 come out and vendors stop supporting the new or old versions?
You are right that most users see Gnome or KDE. I've chosen a GNUstep path with some (hopefully) custom software additions for MidnightBSD for just this reason. No one else is doing it. Apple has used some open source software in OS X and it seems to be gaining momentum. Their market share is going up. I think Apple and Mozilla has demonstrated that people don't care if they use OSS or not. We won't win them over with philosophy, but with better software at a cheaper (read free) price.
How is that different than DesktopBSD or PC-BSD? Redhat is a combination of the linux kernel + gnu tools + desktops.. its maintained in parallel with the movement of those projects and snapshots of that work are releases. Redhat has a package manager as does FreeBSD, and the other BSDs. The most noticable difference between using FreeBSD by itself or using one of the ripoffs is the package manager has a nice custom gui that's preloaded.
Also it has been argued many times that the term Linux can also be applied as a common name for the various distros using the kernel. Its an accepted use even if its not correct. If you go into a bookstore and look for a book on Linux its not about the kernel, but rather the software that makes up an OS including the linux kernel. O'Reilly published books with Linux kernel or Linux driver development in the names to distinguish. Your argument would have been useful 15 years ago, but now you've lost the battle. My first book on the os was called "Teach yourself Linux in 24 hours". I bought that in 1999. (or was it 98) It included Redhat 5.0 anyway. Even Robert Love's book on the Linux kernel is called "Linux Kernel Development." I have it sitting on my bookshelf right now in this very room.
It depends on why it failed. If its a licensing issue, BSD might work out. If its a technical issue, then it maybe in the same boat with BSD. The third reason would be user's view of Linux and BSD.
If the sharks with the frickin' laser beams attached to their heads would have arrived on time...
Yes, its called OS/2 Warp Plan 9 Resurrection Edition. The product will ship in two editions. The blue edition is a full featured operating system whereas the red edition is an upgrade which requires OS/2 Warp 4.0 and Windows 3.1 for full functionality. They will also throw in the bonus pack with a word processor that's still good after 12 years. Y2K updates are pending. Lotus Smartsuite and Notes will be available for an additional fee. Netscape 9.0 will be ported sometime after release, but until its ready we've included the IBM web browser which can view HTML 2.0 websites with ease. Named hosting based sites do not work (including IBM.com). Fix Pack 22 will add support for PCIe.
I would not install Firefox on my Mac if sites worked properly in Safari. I rarely use Firefox on my Mac, but its my default browser in Windows and MidnightBSD. The Mac version of Firefox sucks. Perhaps the competition with finally get the Mozilla Foundation to consider the Mac a real platform and put the effort into improving the browser. We may also see updates to IE more frequently now. I can't think of a reason this is bad.
Your washing machine fits into a game controller?
They can also invest the money to cover Microsoft's share and earn interest on it. If they use some more aggressive approaches, they could make over 4% off Microsoft's money. Seems like a good deal to me.
Novell probably did lose OpenSuse users, but their main customer base will stick with them. Let's face it, people in education don't get that the world has moved on to other solutions like Active Directory.
Yeah maybe you didn't see the Blockbuster selects blueray announcement. I don't think HD-DVD will win this format war. A better example would be the SA-CD format (or whatever it was called). Even MiniDisc did well in Japan.
Yeah, I had a similar experience. My wife and I were in a party in an instance. I kept getting hit on by some dude in the party. I had a female mage and my wife was playing a male rouge. That moron got us all killed and then asked me if I would be interested in some action... when he found out I was a guy, he freaked out. My wife was laughing her ass off.
I have this theory that almost all the female characters in WoW are men. Most women I know that play usually pick guys so they don't get hit on all the time.
Linux hasn't failed, it just takes a long time to gain market share from Microsoft. Open source is at a disadvantage sometimes. Most of us don't have the money to get developers to write the uninteresting code that no one wants to write themselves. I guess the Linux community has that advantage with companies like Redhat, IBM and Novell in the picture.
What I find interesting is the interest in BSD distros. I know some people don't like me using the term distro as applied to BSD, but its the easiest way to explain what it really is. What I don't understand is the duplication of effort. PC-BSD and DesktopBSD are both KDE and FreeBSD based desktop environments. At least my project is original, albeit unpopular.
The fundamental reason many of us think free desktops will prevail is still there. Think of BSD systems as a backup in case Linux fails in the desktop market. Even if we all fail, we may force Microsoft and Apple to innovate to stay ahead of us.
Wow. I think you should have pushed for a refund. It was impossible for them to charge you for an imaginary phone line connected to an apartment that didn't exist.