All right, I said before I wasn't sure. That's why I didn't give myself karma. But since other people tagged me informative/interesting or they knew very little about the subject (I'm not so far) or there's some real stuff in my comment.
Probably the license on the libs didn't changed, but the news about it did (there was a lot of confusion when the license changed).
Then I prefer to link to what Branden Robinson and Theo de Raadt say. Theo (from this and other posts) and other members of the openbsd team seen to be concerned about wording, future legal problems and making openbsd less free.
I don't know very well since it (what's covered or not) changes all the time, the major problem is with linking.
With the new version you can't make link to GPL programs using Xfree86 As most of the programs (even on *BSD projects) are GPL you can't not run them (I think an exception is when you compile yourself). I'm not sure that problem was resolved.
The other problem is with code reutilization. A lot of people don't want to contribute to a project where code won't be possible to be used in other projects that use GPL (don't know about BSD) because they're incompatible licenses.
Ok, you usually hold copyright for your own code, but, in a project, code often mix so much with other people code. And you don't just code: you debug, test and improve existing code.
Those people aren't interested in making that effort to a code that will be just used by projects (compatible) with that license.
I've seen an University which the system image they made, and use to install in all computers, was infected with a spyware (from a file archiver I think).
So, the whole labs (120 computers) were running spyware in the background. Nice.
It definitly won't choke any computer, but using 7% of my computer time, just because there's an ad playing (and I won't even look at it because it's in background), is not what I want when compiling some heavy program that will take hours.
Do you want some proves, here they are: (measures made while idle, just watching top, specially mozilla-bin)
Mozilla with the Sun flash banner opened: - active (i'm seeing the banner) 17-19% of processor use - background (i'm not even seeing mozilla): 3-5% processor use (ok, that specifically isn't a heavy banner)
Mozilla with no flash: - active (mozilla opened): 0.0% - background: 0.0%
It may not be a lot for some, but for people which computer is always doing other stuff in background (aswell as their browser is always opened where you last stopped) or just waiting a java applet on the other window, it is.
These are facts, I'm not trolling. I agree now that I shouldn't have used "sucks" (might be a strong word for some) but that's what I feel about it most of the time, and don't think my comment should be hidden for most of people ( tagged flamebait) just because of that.
Something that endless consume your processor speed (like a little movie) while you're reading a text or with a lot of tabs/windows open, it's definitly not the way I want to expend my processor time.
Kill Flash function on mozilla kill some of them, but misteriously don't work with most ads.
I don't see too many people saying that Microsoft's EULA is unenforceable, because it clearly is.
I don't know how often you've been reading slashdot but I see a lot of people complaining if EULA is enforceable because it's at least a strange contract: you pay for a product, take it to your home or whatever, and after that you agree with a contract.
Their argument is: when you buy a copy and take it out of the store, our relation with the owner is over. He agreed to sell you that copy and you got the product. No contracts signed, no contracts to be reclaimed, it's now your copy and you can do whatever you want with it (under the general law of course).
I don't care about BSD but as the title says OSS in general: Just threat it like a regular copyright violation case: 1 - mail them 2 - if it don't work publicize, mail FSF (if that's the case) 3 - hire a lawyer in that country or an international lawyer company
If your code is under GPL, FSF may provide you some legal help, but if it's BSD or an unkown licence you're probably sol.
I've seen BSD violations myself, then I looked around for the BSD community in my country to tell them about it, but no signal of such community.
As I didn't care very much about the violator (it was non-profit) or the original author (not a friendly guy in the first place), I let that untouched.
Come on, you (BSD developers) want your name publicized (no matter what else is done with the code). How much community motivation (outside of the BSD developers field) has that cause?
And if everything fails... when your boss show you your new indian collegues to you train them your job, just say goodbye and your boss will be the one with problems. With no one to teach how to do the job. And if he take you to court for that just say: "if they're all that high trained (the official reason they don't hire a local) why did they need training in the first place?"
Yes, they can, but not that that simple. You can forbid them for copying the binaries, just the source is free to copy, and there's some work in properly compiling it in one pack (CD)
"same reason why people press the elevator button more than once.
And the same reason people press the reload or submit button more than once... When things don't show any evidence that they're doing what they're supposed to do.
Linux still lacks support for opengl2, it doesn't have support for functions like, pbuffer as a texture, render to texture and pbuffers mapping on a quad.
And as someone said before, on another article, most of the games supported by winex are opengl, the number of supported directx games is very low. But I won't repeat what he said, read yourself.
And the source is already released, you can get it using winex-cvs, but it's not gpl.
I've a nice information webpage, it's in fact a free (as in speech) online book.
It's very informative, but how it's about a relative popular subjective it doesn't show up on google's top 10, and depending of the searching terms not even on top 50.
On the other side I see a lot of pages selling products (often the same product) in front of mine, a lot of them use: - marketing terms: advertise a product that isn't exactly what it says, but it's what people search for (the magical solution). Example: "remove all your virus!" - SEO: you know what's that, I won't teach people how because I don't like the way it's usually used.
As nowadays about 90% of the referes to a webpage is a SE if I don't fit my page for them I'll have a very small number of viewers and the information I spent time wroting will be useless.
I don't like that idea, I prefer my page human friendly not SE friendly, but I'll need to make my page look like a "scamming page". That doesn't mean I'll use dirt tricks or being unethical, but it definitly won't look the way I liked it.
C'mom, the article have just two useful/informative links, one in the name of the poster (to codecon) and another about the audio stream. The others are for google, anonymizer and a broken link I didn't bother to fix.
There's no video stream as the title say, it's audio. And the audio stream (Alluvium) doesn't work (I see errors and exceptions repeating all over the screen).
There's only one person on the oftc irc channel.
This article sounds like a bad written blog, for those that are interesested about those speeches that's a better link
I agree with your argument, but if you want to refer to the Microsoft Windows OS (and don't agree that regular words that existed before the product they reffer to are trademarks) don't use the (tm) symbol to refer to that product. Just use its full name: "MS Windows", when you reffer to it, or Woe32 for short.
I want to register that name, but I want to make sure it doesn't any software company. Is it familiar to you? If yes I may chose others like MicroSCOft,...
"predicts (...) systems which harbour Earth-sized planets"
I don't think that's not the only way of finding life or an enviroment friendly to humans. Earth-sized moons of big planets can have a more friendly enviroment than earth-sized planets.
I've just checked out if I could receive any money but just have independent labels from that period of time (1995-2000), no RIAA albums. So I think I won't receive any money, but wait, I didn't gave them anything in the first place:-)
Slashdot Mirror
Not to me, maybe for some. ... or maybe they're spending with the wrong people.
But definitly is not how much they spend to make
All right, I said before I wasn't sure. That's why I didn't give myself karma. But since other people tagged me informative/interesting or they knew very little about the subject (I'm not so far) or there's some real stuff in my comment.
Probably the license on the libs didn't changed, but the news about it did (there was a lot of confusion when the license changed).
Then I prefer to link to what Branden Robinson and Theo de Raadt say.
Theo (from this and other posts) and other members of the openbsd team seen to be concerned about wording, future legal problems and making openbsd less free.
I don't know very well since it (what's covered or not) changes all the time, the major problem is with linking.
With the new version you can't make link to GPL programs using Xfree86 As most of the programs (even on *BSD projects) are GPL you can't not run them (I think an exception is when you compile yourself). I'm not sure that problem was resolved.
The other problem is with code reutilization. A lot of people don't want to contribute to a project where code won't be possible to be used in other projects that use GPL (don't know about BSD) because they're incompatible licenses.
Ok, you usually hold copyright for your own code, but, in a project, code often mix so much with other people code. And you don't just code: you debug, test and improve existing code.
Those people aren't interested in making that effort to a code that will be just used by projects (compatible) with that license.
And the rest of us will use XOrg
I've seen an University which the system image they made, and use to install in all computers, was infected with a spyware (from a file archiver I think).
So, the whole labs (120 computers) were running spyware in the background. Nice.
It definitly won't choke any computer, but using 7% of my computer time, just because there's an ad playing (and I won't even look at it because it's in background), is not what I want when compiling some heavy program that will take hours.
Do you want some proves, here they are:
(measures made while idle, just watching top, specially mozilla-bin)
Mozilla with the Sun flash banner opened:
- active (i'm seeing the banner) 17-19% of processor use
- background (i'm not even seeing mozilla): 3-5% processor use (ok, that specifically isn't a heavy banner)
Mozilla with no flash:
- active (mozilla opened): 0.0%
- background: 0.0%
It may not be a lot for some, but for people which computer is always doing other stuff in background (aswell as their browser is always opened where you last stopped) or just waiting a java applet on the other window, it is.
These are facts, I'm not trolling.
I agree now that I shouldn't have used "sucks" (might be a strong word for some) but that's what I feel about it most of the time, and don't think my comment should be hidden for most of people ( tagged flamebait) just because of that.
Thanks for that, I wasn't awared of it. But for those like me that don't like "just click to install" stuff, here is page with more information.
Something that endless consume your processor speed (like a little movie) while you're reading a text or with a lot of tabs/windows open, it's definitly not the way I want to expend my processor time.
Kill Flash function on mozilla kill some of them, but misteriously don't work with most ads.
Site already slashdotted, some other news about the same subject:
Here and here
PS: The second link is heavier and probably will go down soon.
I don't see too many people saying that Microsoft's EULA is unenforceable, because it clearly is.
I don't know how often you've been reading slashdot but I see a lot of people complaining if EULA is enforceable because it's at least a strange contract: you pay for a product, take it to your home or whatever, and after that you agree with a contract.
Their argument is: when you buy a copy and take it out of the store, our relation with the owner is over.
He agreed to sell you that copy and you got the product. No contracts signed, no contracts to be reclaimed, it's now your copy and you can do whatever you want with it (under the general law of course).
I don't care about BSD but as the title says OSS in general:
Just threat it like a regular copyright violation case:
1 - mail them
2 - if it don't work publicize, mail FSF (if that's the case)
3 - hire a lawyer in that country or an international lawyer company
If your code is under GPL, FSF may provide you some legal help, but if it's BSD or an unkown licence you're probably sol.
I've seen BSD violations myself, then I looked around for the BSD community in my country to tell them about it, but no signal of such community.
As I didn't care very much about the violator (it was non-profit) or the original author (not a friendly guy in the first place), I let that untouched.
Come on, you (BSD developers) want your name publicized (no matter what else is done with the code). How much community motivation (outside of the BSD developers field) has that cause?
And if everything fails ... when your boss show you your new indian collegues to you train them your job, just say goodbye and your boss will be the one with problems.
With no one to teach how to do the job.
And if he take you to court for that just say: "if they're all that high trained (the official reason they don't hire a local) why did they need training in the first place?"
"people can sell that same CD too"
Yes, they can, but not that that simple. You can forbid them for copying the binaries, just the source is free to copy, and there's some work in properly compiling it in one pack (CD)
4.4rc2 is still old license
There's also Xfree86 4.4rc2 it's still old license and a good start to a fork.
"same reason why people press the elevator button more than once.
And the same reason people press the reload or submit button more than once... When things don't show any evidence that they're doing what they're supposed to do.
Linux still lacks support for opengl2, it doesn't have support for functions like, pbuffer as a texture, render to texture and pbuffers mapping on a quad.
And as someone said before, on another article, most of the games supported by winex are opengl, the number of supported directx games is very low. But I won't repeat what he said, read yourself.
And the source is already released, you can get it using winex-cvs, but it's not gpl.
We've just talked about google today. In fact I was reading that article right now.
I like to read all the interesting articles, but that way it isn't possible. I bet people will post similar comments in both articles.
Couldn't that article wait until tomorrow?
And maybe some other articles about google are submitted until there and you can merge them in one.
I've a nice information webpage, it's in fact a free (as in speech) online book.
It's very informative, but how it's about a relative popular subjective it doesn't show up on google's top 10, and depending of the searching terms not even on top 50.
On the other side I see a lot of pages selling products (often the same product) in front of mine, a lot of them use:
- marketing terms: advertise a product that isn't exactly what it says, but it's what people search for (the magical solution). Example: "remove all your virus!"
- SEO: you know what's that, I won't teach people how because I don't like the way it's usually used.
As nowadays about 90% of the referes to a webpage is a SE if I don't fit my page for them I'll have a very small number of viewers and the information I spent time wroting will be useless.
I don't like that idea, I prefer my page human friendly not SE friendly, but I'll need to make my page look like a "scamming page". That doesn't mean I'll use dirt tricks or being unethical, but it definitly won't look the way I liked it.
Welcome to SE dictatorship!
Yahoo tracks your clicks, I don't like that redirect thing, it's much more intrusive than google and the others that make direct links.
And I'm pretty sure Yahoo is using Google engine again (I get the same results).
C'mom, the article have just two useful/informative links, one in the name of the poster (to codecon) and another about the audio stream. The others are for google, anonymizer and a broken link I didn't bother to fix.
There's no video stream as the title say, it's audio. And the audio stream (Alluvium) doesn't work (I see errors and exceptions repeating all over the screen).
There's only one person on the oftc irc channel.
This article sounds like a bad written blog, for those that are interesested about those speeches that's a better link
I agree with your argument, but if you want to refer to the Microsoft Windows OS (and don't agree that regular words that existed before the product they reffer to are trademarks) don't use the (tm) symbol to refer to that product. Just use its full name: "MS Windows", when you reffer to it, or Woe32 for short.
I want to register that name, but I want to make sure it doesn't any software company. Is it familiar to you? ...
If yes I may chose others like MicroSCOft,
"predicts (...) systems which harbour Earth-sized planets"
I don't think that's not the only way of finding life or an enviroment friendly to humans. Earth-sized moons of big planets can have a more friendly enviroment than earth-sized planets.
I've just checked out if I could receive any money but just have independent labels from that period of time (1995-2000), no RIAA albums. :-)
So I think I won't receive any money, but wait, I didn't gave them anything in the first place