What the web can now allocate memory and talk to my hardware?
Never used a webcam, have you? You don't know what you're missing!;)
The web can invoke SQL commands to interact with a database, which explains why client-server computing has been superceded by web-based apps.
Even if you're not a kernel programmer, the web has sucked and still sucks for application development. It will continue to suck for years, due to Internet Explorer.
Probably, but it's a lot easier to distribute an application if it just appears in a web browser instead of having to be installed on a desktop PC from a CD.
It's misleading to claim AJAX will solve all these problems because it won't.
How do you know? AJAX seems to be doing just fine in making the user experience better. Flash was once considered a front-runner in the race to bring better usability to web apps, but AJAX seems to be coming on in leaps and bounds, prolly because it doesn't rely on a small team of engineers at Macromedia/Adobe to make it happen.
In short, I think the web is taking over what naturally comes to that medium. It is wrong to say its displaced C.
I disagree. I can't remember the last time I had to install the client-side of a client-server application.
became a bludgeoning bureaucratic monstrosity with failures like the new Airbus
The A300, the first Airbus, was a huge success in the earlier days of the widebody market. The A310, A320, A330, A340 were all pretty successful too AFAIK. It wasn't until the A380 that we started to see major problems. Anyway, didn't Boeing have problems and delays with sagging engine cowlings on the 747 before it was first delivered?
(*) Technical innovation in a developing country ( ) Product shipped to a developing market ( ) General discussion about IT in the developing world
The location is:
( ) Africa (*) India ( ) Bangladesh ( ) China ( ) Somewhere else in Asia ( ) South America ( ) Central America ( ) Other ______________
You're objecting to it on the basis that:
(*) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in that country yet ( ) American jobs will be lost
Your argument is bogus because:
(*) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in the developed world either, that doesn't mean we should halt all technological research (*) This will not adversely affect any efforts to alleviate poverty (*) This will help to alleviate poverty ( ) Poverty in that country isn't as widespread as you say it is ( ) The US does not have a divine right to keep all the cool jobs
There were quite a few nazis tried for various war crimes and crimes against humanity. If Hitler hadn't punched his own ticket straight to hell, you can bet that the Nuremberg Trials would have done it for him.
True, but the human race lost a hell of a lot of people by the time that happened.
If the actions of someone hurt your feelings, gross you out, strike you as immoral, or irrationally frighten you: get over it, ignore them, and mind your own business.
You say that, but, I don't think that 'hate speech' refers to somehting that 'hurts your feelings, grosses you out, strikes you as immoral, or irrationally frightens you." They're probably thinking of things that are likely to lead to violence against vulnerable groups. Someone farther up the page says that this is an example of Europe not learning the lessons of the Nazis. It is quite the opposite, the Europeans are very familiar with the power of words for good or ill and are probably just trying to make sure that they aren't used for ill.
How often have you heard about a case where someone caused actual harm to anyone, that went unprosecuted, that would have been a violation of your vision of a hate speech law?
I'm thinking of some short Austrian guy with a funny moustache back in the 1930s...
Imus' freedom of speech was never at issue. He can say whatever he wants, and his employers can fire his ass if he's not bringing in the money anymore because people get sick of him.
He wasn't fired because he wasn't bringing money in. On the contrary, the case actually boosted the amount of coverage he was getting. I'd never even heard of the fella until that all blew up. He was fired because he exercised his 'freedom of speech' and society determined that doing so in the way he did was unacceptable. Maybe not illegal, but definitely unacceptable. It now sets a precedent where no radio DJ dare refer to 'nappy-headed hoes' not because of any statutory provisions but because of a redefinition of what is socially acceptable. Is it a good thing or a bad thing that this particular freedom of expression has been curtailed?
Prohibition doesn't work for:
Alcohol
Drugs
Guns
Bad speech/thoughts
All attempts to enforce prohibition result in oppressive government, reduced civil liberties for all, and greater dissemination of the originally prohibited contraband.
What say we add to your list:
Theft
Murder
Rape
All attempts to outlaw these things have failed to erradicate them. Shall we just give up and legalise them in the interests of freedom?
I would rather there were a thousand Hitler-wannabe's speaking openly, than one doing so clandestinely.
A million dead jews might disagree, and I think that's where the Europeans are coming from. Let's not forget that free speech unchecked led the continent to ruin in the 1930s/40s. Never understimate the power of the spoken word. One man in front of a microphone can be a very powerful thing for good or ill.
The aristocracy gets all the profits, the middle class disappears, and you end up with neo-serfdom. Of course if you actually educated yourself in economics instead of reading propaganda you'd know that.
You talk about how the developing world is ending up in serfdom and you talk about 'propaganda?'
We didn't pull this crap of draining the wealth of other nations to build our own. We invented and exported the majority of what makes today's world modern.
Oh please! Pass the sick bag. Do you recite the pledge of allegiance every morning? Looks like you've been reading revisionist American textbooks that claim everything was invented in America. Some history:
Jet Engine - Invented by Frank Whittle, and Englishman
Automobile - brought to you by Benz & Daimler, Germans
Freeways/Motorways/Autobahns - German invention
Electronic Computer - Invented in Manchester, England
Television - Invented by John Loggie Baird, a Scot
First TV station - The BBC
When your "competition" lives below minimum compassionate standards that's not competition, that's extortion.
Your 'competition' is improving his quality of life. He may not live in a big suburban McMansion like you do but it's an improvement on what he had before. Look it up. Globalisation leads to upward pressure on local wages in the developing country. It makes life better for your friends with funny accents that you love to make racist remarks about.
Which are you? Are you the 15-17 year old son/daughter of rich parents who will never have to worry about getting a job at daddy's firm, or a canadian/european who has a pro labor government and "hates americans" because of an idiot a zealous minority here elected?
I'm a 32 year old European son of manual labourers. I ran up debts to get an education, and I got my degree in Manufacturing Engineering after four years. By the time I graduated, most of the UK's manufacturing industry had been shipped out to Asia and it was no longer worthwhile becoming a production engineer, so I taught myself how to build web pages, became a developer, and I now work in Silicon Valley as such where I make 80k/year. If this line of work ever dries up then I'll train myself up to do whatever else is lucrative. I won't come on to/. posting whiny racist comments about the people who 'stole' my job.
there's a difference between irrational unfounded discrimination and rightful enmity toward a group of people who contribute to your dispossession.
Racism is racism. Racists are the lowest of the low. You, sir, are a racist. A disgusting, disgraceful racist. Want fries with that?
Wait until I start contradicting myself and I'll think about it. "Troll" indeed!
youre either for the communist ideal of wealth redistribution or youre not. if youre for it you cant use "communist" as a derogatory term, and if youre not you have no right to assert the rights of other nations to steal american's jobs.
"Steal?" That would be an illegal thing. Here is the news. Open markets and free trade are LEGAL! Outsourcing is LEGAL. "Theft" has shit all to do with it. Communism is all about putting artificial constraints on the market. Free trade is the opposite, leading to a better distribution of wealth. Better distribution of wealth isn't an ideal exclusive to communists, free marketeers would like to see it too. But feel free to redefine free trade as 'communism' for the purposes of your argument if you want.
if india wants the freaking jobs, they should start their own companies and create their own job market rather than destroying the american job market.
Oh here we go! So you're another protectionist "keep the jobs in the hands of good, white, god-fearing christian folks y'hear" merchant? What makes your country so special that you're entitled to hang on to all the world's cool jobs when there's a bunch of people elsewhere who can do the same work for less, hmm? Anything to do with skin colour? Or is it a nationality thing? Something to do with your 'manifest destiny' or something?
Here is the news. There's a big bad world out there and it's got COMPETITION for you. If you don't compete, you get eliminated. So you either do it right (i.e. do a better job than the Indians) or get out of the heat of the kitchen and do something else. It's very simple.
And in the meantime, you might also want to think about fixing that little racism problem.
if by competitive you mean undercutting first world by living in "developing" conditions, settling for income which wouldn't qualify to pay for a refrigerator box in the middle of highway 1 let alone raise a family, then yeah.. it's competitive.
Damn straight it's competitive. It's less than what you earn, more than what he would earn without outsourcing and therefore makes life better for him. If you can't compete, get another job. Innovate. Start a business. Get off your ass and do something. Don't just sit there expecting some communist-style subsidy or GW Bush-style protectionist tarriffs to keep your standard of living inflated to such dizzy heights while half the world squats in poverty. I know you'd just love to keep all that wealth to yourself but there are about 6 billion other people in this world too you know. If they can raise their income at the expense of a certain gas-guzzling nation that burns up 25% of the world's resources but only has 5% of the world's population, then fair fucks to them.
youre really sensitive to racism but youre perfectly ok with the dispossession of the middle class of an entire nation for the sake of another which should be building its own middle class without draining the wealth of another... im confused as to what political affiliation youre supposed to have.
Your justification of racism is noted. And I'm a bit confused as to why you think the USA is entitled to keep all the world's wealth to itself. Is that part of your 'manifest destiny' or something?
SpaceCo: Thank you for calling SpaceCo technical support, my name is David (pronounced Dahveed) how may I help you?
Oh, look everybody! See what he did? He made fun of the way Indians talk! Isn't that just hillarious? Let's see what else he can make fun of, like their food, cinema, or maybe the colour of their skin.
Fucking racist prick. It's time you motherfuckers were modded 'troll.' (For the record, I'm not from India, but that doesn't mean I can' tbe offended by racism.)
First, if something gets modded funny by more people than mod it overrated, than it is funny./.'s mod system is as good as anything else at defining humor, and better than a lot of TV network panels, if you ask me. They're certainly not perfect, but funny is not something individuals can pick so well. Can something be funny and insulting? Sure, but if you're going to get offended by something in that vein, I'm not sure/. (or many public message boards) are for you.
Oh, so not only is racism funny, but/. is now a racists-only zone? Thanks for clearing that up.
Second, the Indian customer service phenomenon, which is the majority of cultural humor on this topic, is a big deal in India; has made a huge impact on life there--and they have their own sitcom about it!* Do the jokes get cliched and watered down after a while? Certainly. And some are much better than others. But I for one am glad that they are there.
Well bully for you. Personally I think that racist jokes are as inappropriate as they are cliché and irrelevant to the topics that provoke them. How would you like it if every story submitted about the US space program was met with a deluge of wisecracks about redneck moonshine-distillers, John Wayne, a gun-toting population, and your half-educated president? You'd start to wonder if it were possible to have a sensible discussion on anything, wouldn't you?
I've all but stopped reading/. threads on Indian technical developments. The predictable torrent of snide little stereotypical racist comments that seem to get modded 'funny' is a bit off-putting, and they usually outnumber any vaguely interesting or informative comments by about 7 to 1. The/. crew needs to grow the hell up.
Move along. Most of the people here who get modded up seem to be more interested in poking fun at the Indians because of their food, the way they talk, a fictitious character in The Simpsons, or some done-to-death jokes about outsourcing. But I'm sure they'll stop laughing when they realise that the unipolar world centered on Washington hasn't materialised, and finally gotten the concept of people with dark skin doing something clever.
those 'Read more' links on/. that don't work when you click on them in Firefox? Or better still, the 'automated' phone menu systems that force you to 'press 1' or 'press 2' a squillion times before giving up and hitting a random number to get speaking to some human being somewhere.
Michael Moore's 'Bowling for Columbine' documentary looked into this and didn't actually blame the ready availability of guns in the US for the high level of gun crime. He showed examples of other countries where lots of people carry guns, such as Canada and Switzerland, countries that don't have such a culture of violence. He claims that a culture of fear is what drives Americans to arm themselves to the teeth in such big numbers, and you end up with the ludicrous situation where you can go into a shop on just about any high street and buy an automatic assault weapon, something that is not needed for self defence or hunting or any of the other uses that gun advocates frequently come up with.
There seems to be a cultivation of fear, where violent crime seems to get a disproportionate amount of coverage on the news that's way beyond the actual importance of it. So there was an armed robbery at the gas station earlier this morning. Do we really need a live outside broadcast from the scene of the crime at 7pm where all the activity has long finished?
On the radio this morning someone made a very good point about people in their neighbourhood driving their children the short distance to school for fear of abduction, even though the number of abductions in that area in the last ten years is zero. TV shows talk about an 'epidemic' of road rage, an epidemic being five reported incidents in the country in the last year. Remember the SARS outbreak? About five people in Asia died from it and it was reported as a 'worldwide pandemic.'
I don't know if gun control is the complete solution to the problem, it runs much deeper than that, but it has to be part of it. There's no way any random person should be able to walk in off the street and buy an AK47.
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The web can invoke SQL commands to interact with a database, which explains why client-server computing has been superceded by web-based apps.
Probably, but it's a lot easier to distribute an application if it just appears in a web browser instead of having to be installed on a desktop PC from a CD. How do you know? AJAX seems to be doing just fine in making the user experience better. Flash was once considered a front-runner in the race to bring better usability to web apps, but AJAX seems to be coming on in leaps and bounds, prolly because it doesn't rely on a small team of engineers at Macromedia/Adobe to make it happen.I disagree. I can't remember the last time I had to install the client-side of a client-server application.You're responding to a post about a:
(*) Technical innovation in a developing country
( ) Product shipped to a developing market
( ) General discussion about IT in the developing world
The location is:
( ) Africa
(*) India
( ) Bangladesh
( ) China
( ) Somewhere else in Asia
( ) South America
( ) Central America
( ) Other ______________
You're objecting to it on the basis that:
(*) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in that country yet
( ) American jobs will be lost
Your argument is bogus because:
(*) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in the developed world either, that doesn't mean we should halt all technological research
(*) This will not adversely affect any efforts to alleviate poverty
(*) This will help to alleviate poverty
( ) Poverty in that country isn't as widespread as you say it is
( ) The US does not have a divine right to keep all the cool jobs
Racist.
- Theft
- Murder
- Rape
All attempts to outlaw these things have failed to erradicate them. Shall we just give up and legalise them in the interests of freedom?- Jet Engine - Invented by Frank Whittle, and Englishman
- Automobile - brought to you by Benz & Daimler, Germans
- Freeways/Motorways/Autobahns - German invention
- Electronic Computer - Invented in Manchester, England
- Television - Invented by John Loggie Baird, a Scot
- First TV station - The BBC
Your 'competition' is improving his quality of life. He may not live in a big suburban McMansion like you do but it's an improvement on what he had before. Look it up. Globalisation leads to upward pressure on local wages in the developing country. It makes life better for your friends with funny accents that you love to make racist remarks about.I'm a 32 year old European son of manual labourers. I ran up debts to get an education, and I got my degree in Manufacturing Engineering after four years. By the time I graduated, most of the UK's manufacturing industry had been shipped out to Asia and it was no longer worthwhile becoming a production engineer, so I taught myself how to build web pages, became a developer, and I now work in Silicon Valley as such where I make 80k/year. If this line of work ever dries up then I'll train myself up to do whatever else is lucrative. I won't come on toHere is the news. There's a big bad world out there and it's got COMPETITION for you. If you don't compete, you get eliminated. So you either do it right (i.e. do a better job than the Indians) or get out of the heat of the kitchen and do something else. It's very simple.
And in the meantime, you might also want to think about fixing that little racism problem.
Fucking racist prick. It's time you motherfuckers were modded 'troll.' (For the record, I'm not from India, but that doesn't mean I can' tbe offended by racism.)
I've all but stopped reading /. threads on Indian technical developments. The predictable torrent of snide little stereotypical racist comments that seem to get modded 'funny' is a bit off-putting, and they usually outnumber any vaguely interesting or informative comments by about 7 to 1. The /. crew needs to grow the hell up.
those 'Read more' links on /. that don't work when you click on them in Firefox? Or better still, the 'automated' phone menu systems that force you to 'press 1' or 'press 2' a squillion times before giving up and hitting a random number to get speaking to some human being somewhere.
Michael Moore's 'Bowling for Columbine' documentary looked into this and didn't actually blame the ready availability of guns in the US for the high level of gun crime. He showed examples of other countries where lots of people carry guns, such as Canada and Switzerland, countries that don't have such a culture of violence. He claims that a culture of fear is what drives Americans to arm themselves to the teeth in such big numbers, and you end up with the ludicrous situation where you can go into a shop on just about any high street and buy an automatic assault weapon, something that is not needed for self defence or hunting or any of the other uses that gun advocates frequently come up with.
There seems to be a cultivation of fear, where violent crime seems to get a disproportionate amount of coverage on the news that's way beyond the actual importance of it. So there was an armed robbery at the gas station earlier this morning. Do we really need a live outside broadcast from the scene of the crime at 7pm where all the activity has long finished?
On the radio this morning someone made a very good point about people in their neighbourhood driving their children the short distance to school for fear of abduction, even though the number of abductions in that area in the last ten years is zero. TV shows talk about an 'epidemic' of road rage, an epidemic being five reported incidents in the country in the last year. Remember the SARS outbreak? About five people in Asia died from it and it was reported as a 'worldwide pandemic.'
I don't know if gun control is the complete solution to the problem, it runs much deeper than that, but it has to be part of it. There's no way any random person should be able to walk in off the street and buy an AK47.