Avid Old School Bioware fan here. I have BG1, BG2, KOTOR, NWN(all expansions).
I stopped buying when they started with DLC to devalue used products, or try to force you to buy early, or get locked out of DLC. No coincidence this was after EA purchased Bioware.
I perceive this as attacking the customer. If you attack me, you are never getting another dime from me again.
I haven't purchased DLC/DRMd/Server locked game, and I never will.
I haven't bought a new game since 2005. I expect I won't again, except maybe $1 to $5 apps, since I consider that a free price for a rental.
But I will never pay $50-$60 to a locked down game. If the keys to play are elsewhere, that is a rental, that could be revoked at corporate whim.
While the media wing may not be what is losing money today, it is their Big Media stake that is ruining the electronics company.
From lost focus on developing the best HW for consumers and Spending time on things that electronics enthusiasts have come to hate them for (Rootkits, DRM, supporting MPAA/RIAA).
Being a part of the MPAA/RIAA, Sony electronics now thinks first about DRM and second about customers. So PS3 is the first device to get Cinavia, and yet it still won't play.MKV files. Making it somewhat crappy as a media player.
If Sony hadn't jumped into the media game it would have been better focused on building devices people want, there would have been no Rootkits, no membership in MPAA/RIAA. If that Sony hit hard times, we might actually be sad. But instead Sony Media/Electronics is an unfocussed anti-consumer juggernaut that we get joy seeing go down the tubes.
If rumors are true about PS4, Sony's war on consumers is going full force with zero backward compatibility and technology to block used games.
IMO they deserve to go down the drain.
Most reviews lob softballs, Not TheVerge.
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Nokia Lumia 900 Reviews
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· Score: 2, Interesting
It seems reviewers are anxious for a third ecosystem to emerge so the keep making light of the shortcomings. This is ~2010 era HW power, with an OS that was aimed at the original iOS and hasn't caught up to the competition. People need to stop making excuses for the Weak HW, and weak SW. Microsoft/Nokia, need to seriously revamp the OS and release a real flagship if they want to be anything but irrelevant.
Verge Excerpt(on the software itself): Let me just put this bluntly: I think it's time to stop giving Windows Phone a pass. I think it's time to stop talking about how beautifully designed it is, and what a departure it's been for Microsoft, and how hard the company is working to add features. I am very aware of the hard work and dedication Microsoft has put into this platform, but at the end of the day, Windows Phone is just not as competitive with iOS and Android as it should be right now.
The problems with Windows Phone are myriad, many small. But it's a death by a thousand cuts. And all those little problems were once again immediately apparent to me the moment I started using the Lumia 900.
The most glaring issues also happen to be some of the oldest issues — things you think at this point would have been dealt with. Scrolling in third party apps, for instance, is still completely erratic. I would blame this on developers, but given that this platform has been around for nearly two years, I think that's a cop out. In new Twitter apps like Carbon, lists of messages will sometimes disappear or skip weirdly when scrolling. I first complained about this in version 1 of Windows Phone, and I thought it had been squashed — it has not.
Elsewhere there are missteps. Though Microsoft has added some form of multitasking to the OS, there is nearly never a feeling that apps in the "background" are actually still waiting for you. In fact, many apps still deliver a splash screen to you when you reenter them — if this is a developer issue, then I guess most of the hardworking coders on this platform never got the memo. In short, it kind of sucks to use. Where iOS and Android at least feel responsive in packing and unpacking background apps, Windows Phone often comes across as broken and limp.....
Does this keep all your old settings and movie library intact if you install it? I have custom configuration to use MPC-HC to play the movies and I don't want to rescan my library.
Sounds like pretty clear case of a fragmentation issue. From TFA: 'I would have preferred spending that time on more content for you, but instead I was thanklessly modifying shaders and texture formats to work on different GPUs, or pushing out patches to support new devices without crashing, or walking someone through how to fix an installation that wouldn't go through,' one half of the husband and wife duo said. 'We spent thousands on various test hardware.
Fragmentation is a real issue. Less so when you developing a web type, text app with some 2d bitmaps, but when you are developing more complex games and you are trying squeeze performance from the platform, fragmentation has a significant negative effect.
Subtracting one waveform from another to look at the difference, doesn't prove there are audible difference in the case of AAC vs CD.
It just proves that one file is using perceptual encoding, which we already know.
Perceptual encoding changes the waveform, but that does not prove that the difference is audible when in the original file being masked by louder material. To prove that you would need Double blind listening tests.
So that point is a total failure.
Second problem.
"Mastered for iTunes" produces 24 bit files, this offers more dynamic range than CD. But in order to see a benefit, your source material also needs more than 16 bits of dynamic range. You are lucky if RHCP has 10 bits of dynamic range.
AMD + ATI seemed like the merger of underdogs to me.
I think if NVidia had instead merged with AMD the result might have been stronger, also thinking that it would have NVidia CEO in the drivers seat as he seems more driven and ruthless.
ATI would likely have been too weak to continue solo after that and might have been swallowed by Intel.
WTF does this nonense have to do with this topic?
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AMD: What Went Wrong?
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· Score: 1
And with those mod points, the people operating the bonch account spend them on modbombing corporate-unfriendly opinions and upmodding other shill accounts controlled by their public relations firm,
What has happened to Slashdot? When such nonsense conspiracy theories get +5 moderation and they don't even seem tangentially related to the topic at hand.
Why posted as Anon? Don't want people to recognize some bizarre pattern of rants?
This is the second time today I have seen trolling/conspiracy theories modded +5.
We may as well be Engadget with the quality of discussion/modding recently.
I was actually interested to see if some had insights into AMDs stumbles. Instead I get nonsense conspiracy crap.
Have actual ownership of my device that I paid for? Sounds crazy I know....
No, the only crazy thing is that you think you don't own the device if you paid for it. If you absolutely require ability to install malware/pirated apps, jailbreak it. Most people simply don't miss the piracy/malware.
If I want their hardware I must accept their terms, drink the Koolaid, enter the walled garden, and become one the Shiny Happy People.
That is simply trollish nonsense, and an insult to the hundreds of millions of people who own Apple products. Why is this trolling modded up?
I have never owned an Apple product in my life, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, or the people who do.
Though I do wonder about those who have massive nerd rage over something as simple as a walled garden ecosystem. If you don't like it, don't buy. There is zero need to insult those who do like it, or raise you BP.
the most interesting rumor is that the iPad 2 will continue to be sold at $200 to compete with the Kindle Fire. While the iPad is still the most dominant tablet, the Kindle Fire had a decent run over the holidays.
You should stop thinking rumor somehow equals reality. $200 is less than the iPad2 costs to build.
iPad 2 will drop $100, and continue until stocks run out, then it will be officially discontinued. Exactly the same thing that happened with iPad 1.
. What I meant was, to quote from your same link, "Windows on ARM will have the desktop as an option for Internet Explorer, the Office apps and various system functions, such as the control panel, file management and other built-in features of Windows," and that that familiar paradigm is a selling point for WOA devices.
It isn't an advantage, it's a hobbled Frankenstein.
It's only a limited vestigial desktop. It isn't like interacting with my desktop because I have dozens of little utilities, that won't be available, I third party customization that won't be available. I can't install anything. You don't even get browser plug ins.
The only reason the desktop exists on WOA, is because all the functionality isn't ready for Metro (mainly Office). Saying you can choose desktop mode implies you can run more than a office suite.
Before you start comparing WOA to Android/iOS, you first have to answer why anyone would chose WOA tablet over a Medfield Win8 tablet that has all the capability of WOA tablets, but none of the limitations.
Then it makes more sense to argue Win8x86 that isn't so limited against iOS/Android tablets.
WOA is something different, a competitor to iOS that has a Windows-esque look and feel.
There is nothing windows-esque about Metros look and feel. iOS looks more like desktop Windows than Metro does.
Where WOA claims to have an advantage over iOS is, first, that it will allow users interact with the device with a traditional desktop paradigm, if they choose.
No, All third party applications build for WOA are Metro apps. It has a couple of stopgap applications on a vestigial desktop because this functionality wasn't recoded for Metro. There is no traditional desktop paradigm for third party applicaitons and once MS re-writes Office for WinRT, there will likely be no desktop mode at all.
Sinofsky also said that the Windows-on-ARM machines will come with several Office apps — Word, PowerPoint, Excel and OneNote — that have been tuned to run in a very battery-efficient manner. But Sinofsky said that, although those applications will run in the traditional Windows desktop, they will be the only programs allowed to do so, other than components of Windows itself.
“There are no other compiled dekstop apps that are available,” Sinofsky told AllThingsD. All of the other apps for Windows on ARM will be the new-style “Metro” apps.
I am not a fan of Wing doors, but I love the dual motor AWD.
This gives you:
Total power control at both ends with no center differential issues (binding, too much slip, too slow reaction). 4 wheel regen. I read one study that showed a significant increase in regen capture moving to AWD.
Perhaps the same reason folks buy WP7 devices instead of Android or iOS ones.
I don't see any connection to this case. WP7 is a complete different OS to Android/iOS.
WOA gives you just a subset of what Win8Intel does.
WOA (Subset): Metro Apps Lower power draw
Win8 on Medfield (Superset): Same Metro Apps Same lower power draw. + full backward comparability with > 1million legacy apps. + full web use with plugins like flash.
I have yet to hear a single valid reason to chose the subset over the superset.
I have always avoided any game with an external dependency. You don't need the latest games, There are tons of older games that are DRM free and cheap (check out "good old games".
But that may come with age, I am perfectly happy only playing old games, but if you are young, and your friends have bought into glitzy add campaign, and are playing HotDRMGameX, you may also feel the need to play HotDRMGameX.
So, sadly, I think the younger generation will supply the game industry with the DRM captive audience they want, and there will be no real way to impact the DRM juggernaut taking control of future games.
Seriously boycott Apple for poor working conditions in China?
What next? boycotting Apple for using metals, because they were mined, causing pollution? While pretending this wasn't the same for every manufacturer on earth.
Prior to the 1990's there wasn't much of a race to the bottom. At least not at this rate.
Clinton signed massive amounts of free trade agreements and in the last 20-25 years our import tariffs are basically set at zero. Free trade has lifted a significant portion of China out of poverty, but it has basically been at the cost of US manufacturing jobs.
Clinton was a pretty smart guy, and I can only assume that he and others that promote free trade knew full well that free trade = draining US wealth and spreading it around the world.
I think you give them too much credit, and assume politicians were pulling the strings.
Getting rid of tariffs, was almost certainly a lobby by large corporation that could see the short term gain of reduced labor costs from outsourcing.
Corporations think short term (get the CEO the next bonus, for the next big quarter). China exploited this behavior to do the labor, but also take over much of the technology it builds.
Look what they did with high speed trains, had contracts that insisted on technology sharing, so short term thinking corporations, took the deal and now China has used the technology to steal their business on future contracts around the world.
Rolling this back would be near impossible now, without near worldwide agreements to have something like fair labor tarrifs, that would ensure decent working conditions, and of course tariffs to ballance unfair subsidies.
But it isn't going to happen. The USA is too dependent on China's manufacturing. China holds over a $Trillion in US debt and China keeps dangling the carrot of access to their market and the suckers keep taking the bait.
So essentially, there will be a movement toward equalization, which means we will sink and they will rise, until we meet closer to the middle someday. But that is going to take a long time as they have hundreds of millions of people left to exploit.
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Who cares about DVD support in the OS. Lots of free programs will play/rip you DVDs.
But what is a good free alternative for using your box as PVR/DVR.
Media Center gives you free DVR software to use with a tuner, and includes free(and reliable) program guide updates.
I use it every day.
Though I already think Win8 is a joke anyway, so Win7 forever....
Avid Old School Bioware fan here. I have BG1, BG2, KOTOR, NWN(all expansions).
I stopped buying when they started with DLC to devalue used products, or try to force you to buy early, or get locked out of DLC. No coincidence this was after EA purchased Bioware.
I perceive this as attacking the customer. If you attack me, you are never getting another dime from me again.
I haven't purchased DLC/DRMd/Server locked game, and I never will.
I haven't bought a new game since 2005. I expect I won't again, except maybe $1 to $5 apps, since I consider that a free price for a rental.
But I will never pay $50-$60 to a locked down game. If the keys to play are elsewhere, that is a rental, that could be revoked at corporate whim.
While the media wing may not be what is losing money today, it is their Big Media stake that is ruining the electronics company.
From lost focus on developing the best HW for consumers and Spending time on things that electronics enthusiasts have come to hate them for (Rootkits, DRM, supporting MPAA/RIAA).
Being a part of the MPAA/RIAA, Sony electronics now thinks first about DRM and second about customers. So PS3 is the first device to get Cinavia, and yet it still won't play .MKV files. Making it somewhat crappy as a media player.
If Sony hadn't jumped into the media game it would have been better focused on building devices people want, there would have been no Rootkits, no membership in MPAA/RIAA. If that Sony hit hard times, we might actually be sad. But instead Sony Media/Electronics is an unfocussed anti-consumer juggernaut that we get joy seeing go down the tubes.
If rumors are true about PS4, Sony's war on consumers is going full force with zero backward compatibility and technology to block used games.
IMO they deserve to go down the drain.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/3/2921472/lumia-900-review
It seems reviewers are anxious for a third ecosystem to emerge so the keep making light of the shortcomings. This is ~2010 era HW power, with an OS that was aimed at the original iOS and hasn't caught up to the competition. People need to stop making excuses for the Weak HW, and weak SW. Microsoft/Nokia, need to seriously revamp the OS and release a real flagship if they want to be anything but irrelevant.
Verge Excerpt(on the software itself):
Let me just put this bluntly: I think it's time to stop giving Windows Phone a pass. I think it's time to stop talking about how beautifully designed it is, and what a departure it's been for Microsoft, and how hard the company is working to add features. I am very aware of the hard work and dedication Microsoft has put into this platform, but at the end of the day, Windows Phone is just not as competitive with iOS and Android as it should be right now.
The problems with Windows Phone are myriad, many small. But it's a death by a thousand cuts. And all those little problems were once again immediately apparent to me the moment I started using the Lumia 900.
The most glaring issues also happen to be some of the oldest issues — things you think at this point would have been dealt with. Scrolling in third party apps, for instance, is still completely erratic. I would blame this on developers, but given that this platform has been around for nearly two years, I think that's a cop out. In new Twitter apps like Carbon, lists of messages will sometimes disappear or skip weirdly when scrolling. I first complained about this in version 1 of Windows Phone, and I thought it had been squashed — it has not.
Elsewhere there are missteps. Though Microsoft has added some form of multitasking to the OS, there is nearly never a feeling that apps in the "background" are actually still waiting for you. In fact, many apps still deliver a splash screen to you when you reenter them — if this is a developer issue, then I guess most of the hardworking coders on this platform never got the memo. In short, it kind of sucks to use. Where iOS and Android at least feel responsive in packing and unpacking background apps, Windows Phone often comes across as broken and limp. ....
Does this keep all your old settings and movie library intact if you install it? I have custom configuration to use MPC-HC to play the movies and I don't want to rescan my library.
Sounds like pretty clear case of a fragmentation issue.
From TFA:
'I would have preferred spending that time on more content for you, but instead I was thanklessly modifying shaders and texture formats to work on different GPUs, or pushing out patches to support new devices without crashing, or walking someone through how to fix an installation that wouldn't go through,' one half of the husband and wife duo said. 'We spent thousands on various test hardware.
It isn't a case of poorly skilled devs either; this is backed up by other Game developers like Epic and id that are avoiding the platform as well:
Carmack(id):
http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/15/john-carmack-ios-still-better-than-android-for-mobile-game-development/
"Android is far too fragmented to develop for, both from a hardware and software point of view. "
Sweeny(Epic):
http://actionatadistance.net/post/4386288135/sweeney-android-fragmentation
Says Sweeney, "When a consumer gets the phone and they wanna play a game that uses our technology, it's got to be a consistent experience, and we can't guarantee that [on Android]. That's what held us off of Android."
Fragmentation is a real issue. Less so when you developing a web type, text app with some 2d bitmaps, but when you are developing more complex games and you are trying squeeze performance from the platform, fragmentation has a significant negative effect.
The link doesn't say anything about them making more money with Android.
It says on Android they go with Ad based model, because the pay model doesn't work as well on Android.
There is no comparison with iOS.
I figured there might be enough in the 3 pointless terrible movies, to make one ok, slightly less pointless movie.
In Sequence it should go after ESB. Luke has found out Vader is his father, next movie is the back-story on Vader.
Then finish up in Jedi, now if he could do something about the damn ewoks....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k/11
It was faster than low end cheapo cards. Which is mainly the point.
If you are putting in $200 cards, they are a long ways off, but they essentially obsolete the need for a low end card, which is a good thing.
And since all most people need is a low end card, this is sufficient for most people.
For desktop, internet, video, web games, older games and even new games at modest settings this is fine.
First problem:
Subtracting one waveform from another to look at the difference, doesn't prove there are audible difference in the case of AAC vs CD.
It just proves that one file is using perceptual encoding, which we already know.
Perceptual encoding changes the waveform, but that does not prove that the difference is audible when in the original file being masked by louder material. To prove that you would need Double blind listening tests.
So that point is a total failure.
Second problem.
"Mastered for iTunes" produces 24 bit files, this offers more dynamic range than CD. But in order to see a benefit, your source material also needs more than 16 bits of dynamic range. You are lucky if RHCP has 10 bits of dynamic range.
So again, nothing proved.
I was thinking more like NVidia would have bought AMD, leaving Jen-Hsun Huang in charge.
AMD + ATI seemed like the merger of underdogs to me.
I think if NVidia had instead merged with AMD the result might have been stronger, also thinking that it would have NVidia CEO in the drivers seat as he seems more driven and ruthless.
ATI would likely have been too weak to continue solo after that and might have been swallowed by Intel.
And with those mod points, the people operating the bonch account spend them on modbombing corporate-unfriendly opinions and upmodding other shill accounts controlled by their public relations firm,
What has happened to Slashdot? When such nonsense conspiracy theories get +5 moderation and they don't even seem tangentially related to the topic at hand.
Why posted as Anon? Don't want people to recognize some bizarre pattern of rants?
This is the second time today I have seen trolling/conspiracy theories modded +5.
We may as well be Engadget with the quality of discussion/modding recently.
I was actually interested to see if some had insights into AMDs stumbles. Instead I get nonsense conspiracy crap.
Have actual ownership of my device that I paid for? Sounds crazy I know....
No, the only crazy thing is that you think you don't own the device if you paid for it. If you absolutely require ability to install malware/pirated apps, jailbreak it. Most people simply don't miss the piracy/malware.
If I want their hardware I must accept their terms, drink the Koolaid, enter the walled garden, and become one the Shiny Happy People.
That is simply trollish nonsense, and an insult to the hundreds of millions of people who own Apple products. Why is this trolling modded up?
I have never owned an Apple product in my life, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, or the people who do.
Though I do wonder about those who have massive nerd rage over something as simple as a walled garden ecosystem. If you don't like it, don't buy. There is zero need to insult those who do like it, or raise you BP.
the most interesting rumor is that the iPad 2 will continue to be sold at $200 to compete with the Kindle Fire. While the iPad is still the most dominant tablet, the Kindle Fire had a decent run over the holidays.
You should stop thinking rumor somehow equals reality. $200 is less than the iPad2 costs to build.
iPad 2 will drop $100, and continue until stocks run out, then it will be officially discontinued. Exactly the same thing that happened with iPad 1.
. What I meant was, to quote from your same link, "Windows on ARM will have the desktop as an option for Internet Explorer, the Office apps and various system functions, such as the control panel, file management and other built-in features of Windows," and that that familiar paradigm is a selling point for WOA devices.
It isn't an advantage, it's a hobbled Frankenstein.
It's only a limited vestigial desktop. It isn't like interacting with my desktop because I have dozens of little utilities, that won't be available, I third party customization that won't be available. I can't install anything. You don't even get browser plug ins.
The only reason the desktop exists on WOA, is because all the functionality isn't ready for Metro (mainly Office). Saying you can choose desktop mode implies you can run more than a office suite.
Before you start comparing WOA to Android/iOS, you first have to answer why anyone would chose WOA tablet over a Medfield Win8 tablet that has all the capability of WOA tablets, but none of the limitations.
Then it makes more sense to argue Win8x86 that isn't so limited against iOS/Android tablets.
WOA is something different, a competitor to iOS that has a Windows-esque look and feel.
There is nothing windows-esque about Metros look and feel. iOS looks more like desktop Windows than Metro does.
Where WOA claims to have an advantage over iOS is, first, that it will allow users interact with the device with a traditional desktop paradigm, if they choose.
No, All third party applications build for WOA are Metro apps. It has a couple of stopgap applications on a vestigial desktop because this functionality wasn't recoded for Metro. There is no traditional desktop paradigm for third party applicaitons and once MS re-writes Office for WinRT, there will likely be no desktop mode at all.
http://allthingsd.com/20120209/windows-on-arm-complete-with-next-version-of-office-to-arrive-with-rest-of-windows-8/
Sinofsky also said that the Windows-on-ARM machines will come with several Office apps — Word, PowerPoint, Excel and OneNote — that have been tuned to run in a very battery-efficient manner. But Sinofsky said that, although those applications will run in the traditional Windows desktop, they will be the only programs allowed to do so, other than components of Windows itself.
“There are no other compiled dekstop apps that are available,” Sinofsky told AllThingsD. All of the other apps for Windows on ARM will be the new-style “Metro” apps.
I am not a fan of Wing doors, but I love the dual motor AWD.
This gives you:
Total power control at both ends with no center differential issues (binding, too much slip, too slow reaction).
4 wheel regen. I read one study that showed a significant increase in regen capture moving to AWD.
Perhaps the same reason folks buy WP7 devices instead of Android or iOS ones.
I don't see any connection to this case. WP7 is a complete different OS to Android/iOS.
WOA gives you just a subset of what Win8Intel does.
WOA (Subset):
Metro Apps
Lower power draw
Win8 on Medfield (Superset):
Same Metro Apps
Same lower power draw.
+ full backward comparability with > 1million legacy apps.
+ full web use with plugins like flash.
I have yet to hear a single valid reason to chose the subset over the superset.
Because intel graphics suck.
Medfield uses PowerVR licensed graphic cores. The same as Apple and many other ARM SoCs.
I am failing to see why anyone would get an WOA tablet.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5365/intels-medfield-atom-z2460-arrive-for-smartphones
Summary Medfield is running in similar power envelope to an ARM SoC, but with faster benchmarks.
ARM might get you marginally more battery life, but Medfield gives you full backward compatibility.
I have always avoided any game with an external dependency. You don't need the latest games, There are tons of older games that are DRM free and cheap (check out "good old games".
But that may come with age, I am perfectly happy only playing old games, but if you are young, and your friends have bought into glitzy add campaign, and are playing HotDRMGameX, you may also feel the need to play HotDRMGameX.
So, sadly, I think the younger generation will supply the game industry with the DRM captive audience they want, and there will be no real way to impact the DRM juggernaut taking control of future games.
"And this isn't meant as flamebait."
Oh, I see now, that must make flamebait ok.
Seriously boycott Apple for poor working conditions in China?
What next? boycotting Apple for using metals, because they were mined, causing pollution? While pretending this wasn't the same for every manufacturer on earth.
Remember the Foxconn workers threatening mass suicide. They were Xbox 360 workers:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45969515/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/xbox-workers-china-threatened-mass-suicide/
Or how about the Android products made by Foxconn, like the new Amazon Tablet:
http://phandroid.com/2011/07/14/amazon-chooses-foxconn-to-manufacturer-their-10-1-inch-android-tablet/
Would any of those pushing an Apple boycott add Amazon/Android/Microsoft products to the list?
It isn't even just tech products, in fact the lower down the price/technology scale, the worse the conditions likely are.
Where were your jeans made? Go watch China Blue:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1488092077/
Prior to the 1990's there wasn't much of a race to the bottom. At least not at this rate.
Clinton signed massive amounts of free trade agreements and in the last 20-25 years our import tariffs are basically set at zero. Free trade has lifted a significant portion of China out of poverty, but it has basically been at the cost of US manufacturing jobs.
Clinton was a pretty smart guy, and I can only assume that he and others that promote free trade knew full well that free trade = draining US wealth and spreading it around the world.
I think you give them too much credit, and assume politicians were pulling the strings.
Getting rid of tariffs, was almost certainly a lobby by large corporation that could see the short term gain of reduced labor costs from outsourcing.
Corporations think short term (get the CEO the next bonus, for the next big quarter). China exploited this behavior to do the labor, but also take over much of the technology it builds.
Look what they did with high speed trains, had contracts that insisted on technology sharing, so short term thinking corporations, took the deal and now China has used the technology to steal their business on future contracts around the world.
Rolling this back would be near impossible now, without near worldwide agreements to have something like fair labor tarrifs, that would ensure decent working conditions, and of course tariffs to ballance unfair subsidies.
But it isn't going to happen. The USA is too dependent on China's manufacturing. China holds over a $Trillion in US debt and China keeps dangling the carrot of access to their market and the suckers keep taking the bait.
So essentially, there will be a movement toward equalization, which means we will sink and they will rise, until we meet closer to the middle someday. But that is going to take a long time as they have hundreds of millions of people left to exploit.