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iPad 3 Confirmed To Have 2048x1536 Screen Resolution
bonch writes "After months of reporting on photos of iPad 3 screen parts, MacRumors finally obtained one for themselves and examined it under a microscope, confirming that the new screens will have twice the linear resolution of the iPad 2, with a whopping 2048x1536 pixel density. Hints of the new display's resolution were found in iBooks 2, which contains hi-DPI versions of its artwork. The iPad 3 is rumored to be launching in early March."
I'm getting one!
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For reference, how does that compare to the DPI in iPhones?
I'm looking forward to desktop displays getting increased resolution and 4:3 aspect ratios back some day. It's mildly ridiculous that we'll have the mobile device market to thank for it.
Apple sure as hell didn't confirm anything. So basically we have someone who looked at a screen, that may or may not be for the iPad 3, under a microscope and "counted the pixels".
Again Slashdot titles are redefining words in the English language.
Before the flames rise and Slashdot begins to slash the dots, I'd like to thank Apple for helping break the "HD = 1950x1080" fixation the market has. Hopefully monitor tech will get some advances soon.
If they could get away with it, seems like 1920x1080 would be ideal. That's a lot longer/skinner (or shorter/wider) than 2048x1536, but still an incremental improvement over the iPad2 resolution.
They needed a microscope? Why not just take a screenshot?
2048x1536? My 21" monitor isn't even that high resolution and I can barely see the pixels. You're trying to tell me a 10" ipad is going to have higher resolution than my 21" monitor? Seems like a waste, especially on an iPad.
...what exactly does this mean for current Apps?
Considering pretty much every tablet/mobile app takes the full screen. I mean, videos will look nice, but there aren't any large collections of videos in that resolution (that I know of), so wouldn't the upscaling actually make it look worse?
Unfortunately users at my company will still find a way to run them at 800x600
I for one welcome our new high resolution overlords, I have yet to see a display with too much resolution. I have seen displays with too low of a refresh rate.
This is not surprising at all. Most iOS developers expected no change in screen resolution until 2x was possible. The repositioning of screen widgets and the scaling of bitmap images works better with whole number multiples. If 2x is the multiple then the iPad 3 could automatically recycle the 2x bitmap images found in iPhone 4 aware apps.
In all fairness, the Samsung GLX VR3 Pad Extreme Blitz will cost more.
And Apple will sue them for it.
So the most commonly used format for digital cinema is 2048x1080 (4K is not widely used, yet). Notice that it is just a little bit wider than 1080p (128 pixels). So either cinematographers have had to scale down the outputs from their digital cameras/post production workstations to use "standard" HD displays (and suffer scaling artifacts), throw away the pixels on the side, or use very expensive professional equipment.
Could the iPad 3 display be used instead? If the iPad 3 has thunderbolt (now THAT would be interesting), could it be used as a (very) portable display?
I am such an Apple Fanboi you wouldn't believe but if Samsung came out with a tablet that, at the flip of a switch, coud be used as a portable, digital cinema ready display, I would buy it so fast it would make Steve Jobs spin. (hope that wasn't too morbid or disrespectful).
Do yourself a favour, and play with a Transformer or Transformer Prime at your local electronics store, compare the price tags, and then tell me others are struggling to compete on price for something "tolerable". True, Motorola haven't put out a good device that's lasted more than six months since the original Razr, Toshiba really cheaped out on screen quality, and Samsung aren't doing enough to really be different in appearance or utility (not in that they're copying but that there's no reason to get a Galaxy Tab compared to any other tablet), but Asus are easily wiping the floor with Apple in the tablet market right now.
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
It will provoke technical problems as:
JCPM: not all is silvered bullet, the problems could exist, e.g. unexpected glitches due to their hw/sw bugs.
Yeah? Which manufacturer is building a 9.7 inch display at that resolution that looks ten times better next month?
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There have long been higher res displays. However there's some serious limits to their usefulness, which is why they aren't widespread.
One big one is that until recently OSes didn't have good resolution independence, and still to this day many apps don't. Windows Vista got top notch resolution scaling but if apps don't support it they can break badly, or just fail to scale.
Another is video memory. More pixels = more VRAM particularly when you talk 3D. Now this is not a big deal, we have lots, but wasn't long ago that 256MB was considered "high end" and 64MB was common for cheaper stuff.
Along those lines there is GPU power. If you are just fiddling with 2D stuff this isn't a big deal but if you are pushing 3D, more pixels means more strain. Double the rez in each direction you need 4 times the ROPs to get the same framerate at a given detail level.
Then there's interface bandwidth. Gets to be a bit of a trick to push lots of data through inexpensive connectors. Dual link DVI was the only way to go, and that capped out at not all that high of a rez. DP 1.2 and HDMI 1.4 solve this, but are quite new.
Of course then to all that there is the cost. Pixels mean transistors and more transistors mean more cost. You can't just increase pixel density and expect pricing to be the same.
So it is a situation that only now are all the pieces falling in to place. Only once you have an OS (and apps) that support it, a readily available interface that can push the data, a GPU that can produce the data and has the memory to hold it and costs are low enough to make it economically feasible does it make sense to start pushing it on a larger scale.
However for all that, if you want higher rez displays you can have them. There are 2.5k 27" and 30" displays that aren't too bad price wise. You can have 4k displays too, but they are extremely expensive.
"Wiping the floor" is a bit of a bold statement - while the Transformer (which is very nice) is $100 cheaper than an iPad, it's hardly wiping the floor - it's not even making a dent, and will now be playing catchup to the new one.
Asus certainly had the right idea - everyone else with their more expensive-than-iPad tablets were never going to get anywhere, but even with a $100 price difference, they're not setting the world on fire.
people, make 4K displays.
for me.
- "Hey, John. Stop playing around with your tablet and get out in the real world."
- "But moooom, this is the iPad 3!, it has BETTER resolution than the real world!"
"Asus are easily wiping the floor with Apple in the tablet market right now."
The iPad is so popular that it's outselling desktop PCs. Apple is #1 in the tablet market, with the only competitor even remotely in sight being the Kindle Fire due to price. Do people like you actually believe that Asus is beating Apple in the tablet market? For god's sake, the Transformer doesn't even run Android 4.0.
You're an Android shill. Plain and simple.
LOL. The only android tablet selling in any sort of quantity is the Kindle Fire. You know, the android tablet that Google refuses to acknowledge.
I'm not sure why your post was modded insightful either. If all ipad 1 were having problems and this was all over the net, then I could see how something like "apple cripples their old products, so screw them" would be a good argument against the evil company. A personal experience + a nonexistent widespread problem is not.
Yeah right. Ipads outsell the transformer 20 to 1.
Call me when more than a few sad wannabe fanbois that make up fake stats own them. Almost NOBODY knows about this supposed "ipad killer" that will be yet another no show.
I would LOVE for someone to make a high end android tablet, but for some reason these makers cant figure it out. and ASUS certianly will never be the maker that will release them .ASUS cant make anything high end. All ASUS makes is low end stuff for sad little poor people who cant afford a Alienware, Panasonic toughbook, or other high end device t hat has real performance.
Last time I checked Android phones were using qHD displays almost a year before the iphone 4(the first retina display device) got released.
And there are already phones with 720p HD resolution while the iphone is stuck on that "retina" resolution.
The same I can say about the use of dual core and, now, quad core processors, front cameras, NFC, 3d displays and cameras, etc.
When it comes to hardware, apple is hardly ever ahead. The iOS biggest strength is not hardware, but the software. Low IO latency in particular(GUI latency problems of android were finally fixed with ICS) and security thanks to the authoritarian hardware control proctices Apple is known for. Too bad those advantages come at the high price of having to deal with one of the most strict walled garden in the world.
That's ridiculous. Apple is selling so many iPads that they could buy Greece. Like it or not, they're the #1 tablet vendor by an enormous margin. Your post is just shilling for Asus for some reason.
Apple has a huge parts supply advantage here (many seem to forget what Tim Cook was responsible for before becoming CEO). It's why they seem to be able to come out with technology that others aren't selling yet and sell it at a lower price than what others can sell. Remember when everyone expected the iPad to be $1000? They sold at $500, and it took like a year before competitors offered any halfway decent tablets for less than $800.
but they have started a fire in my heart.
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Uh huh, Apple leads using parts outsourced to rival tablet makers. Apple got lucky in their timing and then have been using the profits trying to screw over rivals and consumers with frivolous lawsuits suppressing the competition rather than innovating. If somebody had said a couple of years ago that Apple would be seen as the scum of the computer industry even beneath Microsoft nobody would have believed it :-(. How low they have sunk.
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There are a number of 27" and 30" displays that are 2.5k. The NEC PA271W and PA301W, the HP ZR2740w and ZR30w, the Dell U2711 and U3011, the DoubleSight DS- 277W and DS- 307W and so on.
They are 2560x1440 for the 27s, 2560x1600 for the 30s.
It isn't hard to find for regular old computers. However I imagine anyone shooting in the digital cinema 2k format is probably not concerned about having to get pro gear because they already have it. You have to step up to some pretty expensive cameras before you start talking that. Everything even remotely prosumer is 1920x1080 max since that is what you are targeting for home, of course. If you have to get expensive cameras, an expensive display isn't likely to be a show stopper.
However as I said, plenty of computer displays that do 2k (and more) no problem.
Congratulations! You've been quoted in SomethingAwful's Android laugh factory thread mocking crazy Android fanboys found on the web!
try a search of this on google "ipad 1 crashes ios5"
Only on /. would someone who claims 'it crashes' with nothing to back it up, with a claim against a company with the best service record of any electronics industry, be marked 'insightful'. The emotional response from fans and general nerd rage/revenge here is getting a bit rediculous. I also use an iPad, on iOS5, and have never had an app crash. I would suggest if you have apps crashing, you should either stop jail breaking it, downloading cracked apps, or simply bitch at the people who wrote said bad app?
ANDROID FANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS.
Yes! It's horrible. Apple has done its best to contain it and they have done a fairly good job. People hardly even know about this. iPad 1 has been turned into a paperweight and is totally useless. Unless you are willing / know how to jailbreak it, your stuck. Apple further won't even let you downgrade to IOS 4.0.3 which works great. I had my iPad since release and never a single crash. Then ios5 and now it is a pile o junk. That google search returns page after page of forums with users saying mail crashes, safari crashes, etc... and the fanboys and Apple employees get on forums like this and their main job is simply suppress! SUPRESS! discredit! omg Im so sick of what this has turned into. Give an opinion and a paid shill will come on and discredit you.
"Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
I still wait for a reasonably prized desktop monitor with resolution beyond 1920x1080 (2560 x 1440 rwould be nice) et's hope that this changes now when tablets will have 50 percent more pixels than standard desktop monitors.
Why not downgrade to iOS4?
If some app doesn't support iOS4 then complain to the devs.
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
ok Im tired of it. Paste this into your browser mr anonymous Apple Employee: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=ipad1+crashes+ios+5&pbx=1&oq=ipad1+crashes+ios+5&aq=f&aqi=g-l1g-bl2&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1505l8253l0l8972l19l17l0l0l0l1l1078l7344l0.4.3.3.2.3.0.2l17l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4ece59c6c15d750a&biw=1920&bih=946 It's my fault for not thinking about what would happen should I post a simply FACT about an Apple product. Facts are meaningless when sheer enthusiasm for where you spent your money abounds.
"Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
Such a beautiful high resolution screen, covered with greasy finger prints and glare.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
If you are doing small screen monitoring, full rez isn't useful. You can't see all the detail, it is below what your eye can perceive, so scaling it down a bit doesn't hurt.
Remember that while for playback you are just worried about everything looking as clear an unpixellated as possible, for production you are worried about seeing all the detail that is there to make sure that it is clear and unproblematic.
Most pro cameras have displays far less than their native rez. No sense in trying to pack 1920x1080 or more in to a 4" LCD. I'd be a waste of money.
Aren't Asus tablets the ones that can't do WiFi or GPS because Asus forgot that metal blocks radio?
"Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll"
I do it the other way around.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
came out march 2011, and the one before that in 2010 about the same time give or take a month.
As a slashdotter whos never used a "tablet computer" I sincerely want to ask mac users, why do you keep buying these? if you select the average ipad its
six-hundred dollars and has a one-time battery that cannot be replaced (or not that apple is willing to inform on their website.)
you will have sunk by this march about $1800 into an appliance that is guaranteed manufactured-obsolete in one year.
You dont do this with cars, televisions, stereos, homes, desktops, laptops, clothes (presumably they last longer than a year)
or any other major consumer purchase, so why do it with tablet computers?
Good people go to bed earlier.
Not original AC, but daaaamn...point proven.
I have a Macbook Pro 17" with a 1900x1200 display.
Due to being a cheap bastard, I also have a pretty cheap external standard 1080p widescreen monitor...
Although I can use it, I really do not like the widescreen monitor for any real work. Yes you can fit more side by side but the screen is just too short and you end up scrolling a lot, regardless of what the work is - coding, photography, writing books, reading books, it's just too short. Think about it, that's only 1024 pixels - hardly higher than an iPad (well an old iPad)!
A widescreen monitor also cannot, as an aside fit a whole iPad simulator in it at a 1:1 scale do the aforementioned fact it's basically the same size as the screen..
I am mulling over the 4:3 monitors choices I can find and will replace it eventually...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Is Asus wiping the floor because it's collecting dusts?
No reason not to use a vector-based PDF for graphics in iOS if you wish.
But sometimes you know, it's just nice to get every pixel exactly right - especially when you are talking about the very smallest sizes of something complex.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I don't have to because if the iPad 1 to iOS5 was such a terrible experience, then the news would come to me. I wouldn't need to go looking for it. Apple is in everyone's crosshair, so any news would be all over. Haters would calling apple the worst company ever, fanboys would be defending it, and the rest of us would be laughing at both haters and fanboys.
I know that lately slashdot users have become fans of the ad hominem arguments. I expected the moment I slightly defende apple to be called a shill. Unfortunately for you, I neither work for apple nor care about apple as much as you want to imply. So, suck it.
In another post you did a google search and and used that as an argument towards your point which is "ipad 1 suck/crashes if you install ios5." I did something similar. I searched for "ipad 2 crash ios5." Here are the results. Following your logic, ipad 2 sucks with iOS5 too!! omg, someone called the press...
if you select the average ipad its
six-hundred dollars and has a one-time battery that cannot be replaced (or not that apple is willing to inform on their website.)
The basic models are $500. They are perfectly usable, it's only if you used them heavily you would really need more than the base storage (especially now that you could simply load some apps on demand and delete them when finished, and play most music off iCloud).
The battery can be replaced by Apple, I think a $99 fee. However the first iPad I bought has not needed a battery change yet.
Also the first iPad is perfectly usable, there is no "mandatory upgrade" when Apple releases a new iPad. The same is true of an iPad 2, those who bought them could continue using them happily for many years.
Part of what I think drives some of the upgrade is that people want to give away the older model to other family members so they will also have an iPad. Then, there are families who decide they would rather have an iPad each so they can better customize what is on the device.
But basically the biggest flaw is your assumption that most people upgrade year to year. They do not, Apple is mostly seeing new sales... and they are going to sell a LOT this year.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Being a brand whore is your problem, not the device's.
Such a beautiful high resolution screen, covered with greasy finger prints and glare.
The thing is, even as bright as the iPads are already you do not see any of that when on - and the new ones are brighter still, cutting through glare rather handily.
Now when off you will see all that but only someone obsessed by looks over function cares about that.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Confirmed? Really? AWESOME!! Uh, just because I want to see, could someone post a link to Apple's announcement confirming it?
Yeah.
Confirmed. I think you're using that word without knowing what it means...
My daughter's iPad 1 is on iOS5, and she doesn't seem to be experiencing any stability issues either.
So there you go - we win, 2 to 1.
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We'll have to wait 'til the real device is out to see how all the hardware manages this large number of pixels, but on point six - I think it could have an impact as that's more resolution than the e-Ink devices offer and judging from how it is to read on the iPhone 4, will make for a VERY nice reading experience.
Imagine this also for graphic art novels, very nice.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
iPad 1 user, running iOS 5 since day 1, no problem. None on my 3GS either. Not all Apple fanboys have the desire to continuously upgrade their gear. Hell it's not just Apple fanboys, you see all sorts of Android folk buying a phone per year too. Wasteful lunacy.
Ex iphone owner (had 3 of them, never again)
I even think the screen on the iphone 4 is over rated (not to say it isn't brilliant) it's just that the iphone 3 / 3gs was so terrible. If you pull out an 800x480 4.3" Android from Samsung, HTC / Whomever, it still looks a damn sight better than an iphone 3 and only marginally worse than the iphone 4.
I also own a HP Touchpad (1024x768) I believe and 24 and 30" monitors and I've got to say, I do think what they are doing is fantastic for the industry. I'm not sure we needed 4x the pixels (but for their sake, it's simply logical based on software scaling) I will say it'll be good to see higher resolutions across the industry in general though
I'm fairly content with the resolution of the 24" monitor I'm typing this on and the 30" next to it. Honestly if they went up no more than 30% I don't think I'd be able to see a difference beyond that, it's simply a case of diminishing returns (regardless, this move by apple will promote higher resolutions industry wide)
I'm also fairly content with my 800x480 display on my phone - again, 30% more is about all I think I need to be honest, more diminishing returns beyond that. My HP Touchpad could DEFINITELY do with a higher res though, I'd like to see at least 50% more pixels on the thing. Probably the lowest DPI item I own.
Finally, the loungeroom : my television, I hear people clamouring about higher than 1080p resolutions. Personally, I simply don't think it's needed at all. We all sit at least 6' from TV's generally. I'm sitting 6' from a 50" and it's only 720p. I'm more than content with the display. I can only speculate if I owned a true 1080p display I wouldn't desire any more resolution.
What this is going to do for us all though is ensure that in the next 5 to 10 years, resolution of displays will no longer be a problem. The standard will be exceptionally fine by then. Then what we need is better blacks, better movement, 3D without glasses (if possible) higher refresh rates, better colours. It will be nice to finally see resolution simply not be something to worry about.
So, reluctantly - thank you Apple. Now stop suing people and being cocks otherwise...
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We have THREE display connection standards that basically stuck us to a 2560 x 1600 max resolution and the big differences between them is DRM hardware that adds to their costs and totally different cables and a market of adapters and cables.
My "old" DVI drives my 30" at the max resolution. HDMI was not progress, the DRM stuff is a backwards step. Then we have Display Port which didn't give us much but more BS the only redeeming thing seems to be the ThunderBolt external PCI built onto it.
I'd like 2560x2560 @100ppi with minimal borders please. These wide things suck to put next to each other, its so bad that one thinks of stacking vertical than going side by side. Subpixel anti-aliasing doesn't work rotated 90 degrees or I'd start lining up 30" displays.
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The way you do it is you sell the old one after you buy the new one. Also conflating "iPad user" with "Mac user" is incorrect. A whole lot of people are buying these, and I doubt most of them are Mac users.
Here's the costing:
iPad 1: $629 (3g/16gb)
iPad 2: $729 (3g + 32gb)
Sell iPad 1: $400
iPad 1 cost: $229/year
Theoretical:
Buy iPad 3: $629 (3g/16gb)
Sell iPad 2: $525
iPad 2 cost: $100/year
The iPad 2s should be worth more than the iPad 1s over the same time frame. If I had waited until the flood of iPad 1s abated I could have sold the iPad 1 for at least $75 more. I'll do that when I sell my iPad 2.
Note that this is why you keep the original box - because you probably will resell your iPad...and you get more if it comes in the original box (that's true of almost all Apple products).
The iPad isn't obsolete, far from it. iPad 1s are still great - for most people the iPad 1 would have been fine; they run everything except Facetime. Pretty much every game/app I have that runs on the iPad 2 runs just fine on the iPad 1, including Mame. It's just things look better on the iPad 2.
I might believe you if you didn't write like a complete cretin.
My wife is a radiology resident, and the monitors they use have unreal resolution. They cost a fortune, and I'm sure they aren't as concerned about lag times and other performance measures for things like gaming or home entertainment.
Here's a supplier offering 8MP color and 10MP black and white monitors: http://www.eizo.com/global/products/radiforce/
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crappy tablets get a higher resolution lcd screen and all capped at 1080p..
The iPad will finally be better than Nook Color and Kindle Fire. It's really hard to go back to the mediocre iPad screen after using a Nook Color or Kindle Fire for any length of time.
Kriston
what mod upped this? are you out of your mind? absolutly fanboy.. jesus.. see farther down the thread for proof.
"Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
Must mean I didn't have a "retina display" a year before the iPhone 4 was released... My HTC Touch Pro2 never existed...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
You are, of course, free to whatever you want to your iDevice after you've bought it.
I want to sync it to my Linux workstation. How do I do that?
Or, give it a month: during the next month, Apple's supposed new resolution will be shit-talked by fandroids claiming "who the fuck needs that resolution? It's stupid." And then as soon as an Android device offers it, or offers a slight improvement, the fandroids will jizz their pants and fall all over themselves telling the world how important it is to keep pushing higher resolution screens into mobile devices.
Because when Apple offers a spec upgrade, it's "ha ha apple making you Jobs-loving faggots upgrade your device - AGAIN."
When Samsung does it it's "Samsung is the friend of the tech world, and you can see that they really care about making better devices that perform on the cutting edge of superior performance for the discerning android user."
Apple terminates software upgrades for the iPhone 3G after 3 years, it's "Apple forcing people onto the upgrade treadmill." Samsung terminates software upgrades for one of their models 3 minutes after it's released and it's "YOU CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO KEEP UP WITH EVERY DEVICE THEY RELEASE, IT'S THE CARRIER THAT NEEDS TO DO THAT SHIT."
Double standards - you has them.
Must mean I didn't have a "retina display" a year before the iPhone 4 was released... My HTC Touch Pro2 never existed...
The HTC Touch Pro2 does not have a retina display.
Netcraft, obviously.
260 DPI is pretty darn near the limits of human visual acuity. Apple's made up "Retina Display" notwithstanding.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
If you root you iDevice, you void the warranty .
Why buy something I have to root, and void my warranty instead of something that does what I want it to?
You sound like some who is trying to make excuse for locking themselves in a cage.
The poster was simply answering a question. He din't come out and say that. It was a response. Civilized peopel have 'conversations' to exchange ideas and concept.
I have no idea why you bring the tasty, tasty Big Mac into this conversation.
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I just sold my ipad2 because I found I couldn't read a book on a sunny day and that connector seemed weak to be plugging in and out with a daily battery life.
I'd prefer lower res. I understand the marketability of high res but it takes a lot of hardware and battery to drive that, no?
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Now Apple will sue anyone who else that makes a tablet with a 2048x1536 screen..
If you root you iDevice, you void the warranty .
Why buy something I have to root, and void my warranty instead of something that does what I want it to?
There are plenty of articles claiming that Apple has said that jail breaking voids warranties. Can you show me a single source in which Apple has in any official way said this? No, you can't? I'm not surprised, as nothing of sort has ever been done. All they've said is that jail breaking can cause issues and may lead to service being denied. That's a far stretch from blanket voiding of warranties.
You say it's an undocumented or unofficial policy? Can you tell me how common it is for people with jailbroken phones to be refused service? Hmm, odd that there's so little noise about this. Seems to me that there are far more people claiming that jail breaking voids warranties than there are actual cases in which people have been denied service.
Final question - do you know the legal reason why your assertion has little basis in reality? Well, read a warranty. Note that warranties are there to cover defects, not faults that occur as a result of misuse. A manufacture could point to this if a product has been modified, but they'd need to be able to reasonably demonstrate that the modifications were a causative factor in the failure. Ever upgraded RAM? Well, contrary to what some people say, hardware upgrades do not void a consumer warranty. The issues begin if hardware failures can be attributed to the RAM or the process of installation. It's the same with all hardware. Apple has a pretty good argument for denying service if the iPhone has been used for hammering in nails, and less of an argument for software modifications that cannot reasonably be linked to the hardware failure.
Warranties are there, at a minimum, to satisfy legal obligations. These legal obligations cannot be readily side-stepped by any company not wanting to end-up falling foul of consumer law or being on the receiving end of class actions.
I really suggest you look around. Ios 5 on ipad 1 problems are happening across that board. Google ios 5 buggy to see the 10 s of thousands of comments on this.
A patch was due last nov, it was delayed to fix the problems with this release. I can see over 100 crashes submitted back to apple in the last 7 days, And that is just me, this is just two weeks after doing a full reset.
I just got a Transformer Prime. It took me over a week to find a webstore that had one in stock for the retail price; Amazon had them for $200 over retail from third parties. And I once I ordered the tablet, it took several more days to find the keyboard dock for sale anywhere.
I don't think they're really collecting dust.
Why?
Yep, I can understand the concept of HD and having huge resolutions on large displays to avoid pixellation of an image.
But what benefit does this bring to a tiny 7" or 10" screen. I own two Android Phones, an Asus Transformer tablet and the missus owns an iPhone and a HP Tablet. I can't personally say that the displays are anything but excellent on any of those devices... yep, the screens on smartphones may be a bit "small" for reading ebooks and other such stuff but unless I plan on wearing super-magnifying glasses with 2" thick lenses made from the bottoms of glass bottles, how does a higher resolution on a smaller display benefit? Or carry a microscope round with me, of course!
I think this is one of those "marketing features" designed to allow Apple fanbois to elevate themselves one step higher than the rest of us so that can peer down their long pointy noses at the rest of we great unwashed from even loftier heights.
Windows 10 is great - I used it to download Linux.
iPad 3 16GB - $800
iMicroscope Visual Display Appreciation Unit - $400
Box of iTissues to clean ejaculate from from of Fanboi's knickers - $100
If you root you iDevice, you void the warranty .
Why buy something I have to root, and void my warranty instead of something that does what I want it to?
Exactly. In general I don't understand how folks here are ready to buy a brand new device that immediately after purchase needs some kind of heavy modification. Why would I have to finish the product, it's the manufacturer's job. I'm paying for the software too, so I'm justified to select a product that does the things I need, out of box.
Apple have locked all their iDevices down in order to block firmware version downgrades, because they're scared of someone jailbreaking them that way.
No one's whining. The post above this and your last were about why someone bought an Android device. They did take the "buy whatever product" approach. Then explained they why. And you've posted... this in reply?
2048x1536 pixel density
That's not what density means, idiot.
Why the fuck they can manufacture this cheaply, and we don't have cheap 2048x1536 desktop LCDs?!?
Curious, this is the exact same reason I will never buy an iPad...
Learn to spell, you fucking moron.
Widescreen is good for watch movies and playing games. 4:3 is for people who need to do work on their PC.
This means retailers don't see the point in stocking something that doesn't sell.
1/3 of an arc MINUTE, sorry... not second. cripes, 1/3 of an arc second is completely impossible, since the sizes involved are smaller than the rod and cone cells in the actual retina itself. I meant to say 1/3 of an arc minute (which is 20 arc-seconds).
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yeah a real step up for display technology, take it into the real world and its still FAIL as soon as daylight gets near it, use it (or try to) on a sunny day or in a car and i cant even see if its switched on never mind actually use it
My experience is that the primes are pretty much sold out everywhere. I went to a Best Buy to go look at tablets in general and got lucky that they actually had a display model I could play around with. The sales person said they keep selling out as they come in.
Have actual ownership of my device that I paid for? Sounds crazy I know....
No, the only crazy thing is that you think you don't own the device if you paid for it. If you absolutely require ability to install malware/pirated apps, jailbreak it. Most people simply don't miss the piracy/malware.
If I want their hardware I must accept their terms, drink the Koolaid, enter the walled garden, and become one the Shiny Happy People.
That is simply trollish nonsense, and an insult to the hundreds of millions of people who own Apple products. Why is this trolling modded up?
I have never owned an Apple product in my life, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, or the people who do.
Though I do wonder about those who have massive nerd rage over something as simple as a walled garden ecosystem. If you don't like it, don't buy. There is zero need to insult those who do like it, or raise you BP.
In my experience, jailbreaking an ios device is a much, much lighter modification than rooting an Android device. It's one click on the computer (plus on tap on the device) to jailbreak, while rooting required an evening of research, the ADK, uploading a recovery bootloader, and all sorts of mucking about.
First I'm making stupid typo's... then I apparently hit "post" instead of "reply". Can I please restart this day?
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Our reality: Apple doubles tablet resolution; Slashdot rolls eyes and talks about how unnecessary it is and how it confirms Apple is all about style over substance and is just a distraction from the evil / closed nature of the company and platform.
Somewhere, in an alternate reality: Samsung ships a 250DPI 10" tablet; Slashdot explodes in triumph with talks about how it's the most amazing breakthrough ever, will revolutionize tablet use, and confirms Android's role as an innovation leader and the general superiority of the completely open platform.
If I wanted a sig I would have filled in that stupid box.
I just don't give a damn! Why is there a /. story about screen resolution??? OFFS! a slow news category so that I can filter it out.
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PPI race is gearing up to fail like the megapixel race for digital cameras or the MHz race for CPU's. True black and not grey, contrast ratio and vibrant colors are much more pleasant than high PPI.
If it's so shitty, tell me how much you want for me to take it off your hands.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
You can get a widescreen one that does 2560x1440, which is plenty to scroll and fit pretty much anything you like.
Yes, that would be fine. It really is more about minimum number of vertical pixels than anything else. for me.
Personally, I find that even 1080 pixels vertically is plenty for me on a 27" screen
That's what I have. It is generally too small. It's not of course unusable, I do use it, but when I have a 1900x1200 display right next to it (my laptop) it gets frustrating quickly to have more vertical space on my laptop screen than the supposedly "larger" monitor!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Nobody with a smartphone is using it from the distance you'd view a 9.7-inch tablet.
I was not aware people's arms changed length depending on the device they are holding.
I am very much looking forward to the higher DPI iPad for reading, but also if you think about it for another strength - drawing!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
A *healthy* human eye can resolve details approximately 1/3 of an arc minute across. At about 8" of distance, that works out to about 20 microns in size. The iPad3 has pixels that are about 80 microns in size.
[citation needed]
From all I've learned -- and I'm away from my primary sources at the moment, but here's a Wikipedia page that summarizes the issue -- a *perfect* human eye under *optimal* conditions can resolve details a maximum of 0.4 arcmin across. That corresponds to approximately 20/8 vision. The standard "normal vision" for a "healthy eye" is 20/20, corresponding to the traditional 1-arcmin resolution. And, again, that's under optimal conditions of distance and lighting -- if you're in normal indoor lighting, or in a twilight or night setting, you'll have trouble doing even that well.
Now, there are other issues, like vernier acuity, that mean resolution beyond these limits can matter. But in that realm, you can use antialiasing and other perception-informed techniques to get around the issue.
In practice, 80 microns at 12 inches is a perfect match for normal visual perception. If your vision is much sharper than this, congratulations; enjoy it while you can. (Presbyopia strikes even the sharpest-eyed of us in the end.)
If you paid for an iPad then looks over function is what you care about.
Obviously not since non-iPad devices are less functional. People buying Android tablets currently do so on the brand name more than how they can make use of it.
I don't mind if you're shallow, you can stop trying to pretend otherwise.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Hi: What are the actual HxV lineal resolutions of the devices we're talking about here? Most CRT displays uses for Windows run around 100 lineal dpi. The iPad 3 mentioned here may have a lineal resolution of around 250 dpi. Are the pixels square? I've read the posting and many of the comments here, but can't seem to get a clear picture of the physicals. -- Roy Zider
FTFY. If your jailbreak causes hardware problems on your iDevice, on what planet should Apple be responsible for that, anymore than installing an aftermarket part in your engine (that blows up) should be warrantied by Ford?
Apple haterz need to find one person who has had warranty coverage denied because of a software jailbreak that caused no physical damage to the phone before this argument holds any water.
Why does this argument apply to Apple and only Apple in the real of consumer electronics? You don't see the WATB brigade marching on Microsoft for not making the XBox an open platform, or HTC for having to root your Android phone to delete applications you don't want.
I'm someone who's tired of smug pedants who either make false or selective arguments. And since you skipped it the first time:
And Jobs would have been the first one to tell you to right ahead and buy whatever product it is that you want, same as if you wanted a computer with a built-in floppy drive in 1998. Whoop de freakin do - no one is holding a gun to your head here to buy something.
Because the parent was just talking about the Golden Arches, that's why.
And I understand that attitude just fine - as long as it applies to any piece of consumer electronics you might buy, and not just one particular company.
....to notice that I said "to" and not "with".
By writing your own drivers to do whatever it is you want to do. Any more questions?