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Nokia Lumia 900 Reviews

MrSeb, zachareye, and others wrote in with several reviews of the Nokia Lumia 900. Starting things off, Extreme Tech asks if the Lumia redefines the smartphone; BGR chimes in declaring the phone "terrific". Ars Technica, on the other hand, isn't quite so enthusiastic, especially about the camera optics. Anandtech joins Ars in not being particularly enthused. It looks like most reviewers are happy with the UI, but not so enthused about the hardware (low display resolution for one). Signs point to an OK handset, but nothing spectacular.

195 comments

  1. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So they come up with a device that doesn't meet the hype they're pushing it with which will drive down Nokia's share price making them easier for Microsoft to one day acquire. It's gonna happen, they'll sell off all the parts except the patent portfolio and the Brand.

    1. Re:Duh by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You expected any other reason for ex-Microsoftie Stephen Elop to suddenly show up as CEO of Nokia?

      Not sure what Microsoft would do with it beyond the patent portfolio, though. the brand is a perishable item, and by the time the company well and truly dies, it may well have about the same reputation as the AOL or Tandy brand. :/

      As for the patents, I'm not really sure what they expect to get from those, other than income off the Android OEMs.

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    2. Re:Duh by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look. They're late to the game, they're trying to mimic the apple hype and simultaneously deliver while not putting enough effort into making a competitive device to actually deliver. They're praying that being able to be around long enough off android revenue (before B&N/antitrust cut that to zero) will be enough for people to consider it a competitive device.

      Microsoft is just following standard protocol with Nokia. What makes you think the business model has *ever* changed? Why? Well look no further than:

      Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. where are we at with Nokia again? What always comes first?

    3. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for the patents, I'm not really sure what they expect to get from those, other than income off the Android OEMs.

      Sue every major company involved with Android/ChromeOS/Google in the mobile space and offer safe harbor on Windows Phone?

    4. Re:Duh by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually if you look, the summary is wrong, it's only the ars review of the ones listed that doesn't have a generally very positive set of things to say about the phone, and the ars review is comparing it to a galaxy nexus and iphone 4s (which are 200 dollars more expensive, but much better hardware phones).

      They're building up hype because they've made a pretty good mid range product, whether or not it gets any traction with consumers or AT&T retail monkeys (who then convince consumers to buy it ) who knows. They're not aiming for the 600 dollar phone market, stupidly, there should be a flagship device positioned there. But for what it is price wise, it's pretty good overall.

    5. Re:Duh by larry+bagina · · Score: 2

      The ITC rejected B&N's antitrust complainst against Microsoft.

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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    6. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      OMG larry bagina replied to my thread. I feel so accomplished and it's only 12:30!

    7. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What seems funny is that when Intel came up with a cellphone prototype with better performance, everyone came asking for battery life. Now Nokia came with product that apparently has a great battery life, and nobody seems to care.

      So I ask, where are the battery life comparison/benchmarks from these sites that don't seem to be "enthusiastic" about the phone's performance?

    8. Re:Duh by robthebloke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not sure what Microsoft would do with it beyond the patent portfolio

      Give us all a good laugh when they release the Zunegage?

    9. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, calm down. It is just a phone and a pretty nice looking one at that.

      I am not sure how you made a logical leap from a simple product release to "OMG Microsoft is purposely driving down Nokia's share price". Whatever happens, happens. If Microsoft does acquire Nokia, so what? It's a part of doing business. If you can't handle that, perhaps you should crawl back into your parent's basement and let us adults run the world.

    10. Re:Duh by tripleevenfall · · Score: 0

      More like, make another attempt at imitating Apple by building their own phones to go with the mobile OS

    11. Re:Duh by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nokia's problem with all their Windows phones (and MSFT's problem with Windows Phone in general) is that they can't get retailers to push the phones.

      Nobody comes into a store wanting to look at a Windows phone, so immediately the hurdle is that you've got to change their minds about what they want. Some articles posted here have even said that salespeople are not willing to push it because the return rate on Windows Phones had been high, and they lose their time for zero commission, when they could be across the room selling someone an iPhone and being safe with their commission.

    12. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a social networking oriented model to complement the media-centric Zunegage - Kingage.

    13. Re:Duh by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

      Now Nokia came with product that apparently has a great battery life, and nobody seems to care.

      I see a phone with a just above average battery life. Why should I care?

    14. Re:Duh by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Tandy still has a good core brand. Their leather and leatherworking tools are fine. All their other divisions tanked, but the original Tandy products are just as good as they've always been.

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    15. Re:Duh by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Right, which is why they have the retail arrangement with AT&T, all the floor staff were given windows 7 phones, in the hopes that would encourage their enthusiasm.

    16. Re:Duh by miknix · · Score: 2

      The n-gage was actually a very good phone! I mean, a very good console! I mean .. oh wait..

      Ignoring the strange "calling position" http://stiffopposition.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/ngage.jpg, the n-gage was actually very well built for the time. It survived a bunch of drops and it was also very comfortable to type in. Also, I never understood why but everytime I had it inside my pocket girls always asked me if I was that happy to see them.

    17. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and the ars review is comparing it to a galaxy nexus and iphone 4s (which are 200 dollars more expensive, but much better hardware phones).

      They also compare it to the iPhone 4, which is several years old, has the same price point, and still wins on numerous points including javascript performance.

    18. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Sir , you are wrong.
      Elop's plan is to use microsoft money to take control of nokia and install flash on all those fones.
      He is ex-macromedia after all, isn't he?

      Ones everyone and their mother has flash on their fone, soviet hackers will phack us and take over the world.
      Elop will be named vice-world-president before putin.

    19. Re:Duh by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is just following standard protocol with Nokia. What makes you think the business model has *ever* changed? Why? Well look no further than:

      Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. where are we at with Nokia again? What always comes first?

      You think they're trying to embrace, extend and extinguish Nokia? What would be the point of that?

    20. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look. They're late to the game, they're trying to mimic the apple hype

      mimic the apple hype? what substance does such a claim have? very little it seems.

      and simultaneously deliver while not putting enough effort into making a competitive device to actually deliver.

      what aren't they delivering on? feature-wise it appears pretty competitive with other devices in its price range.

      They're praying that being able to be around long enough off android revenue (before B&N/antitrust cut that to zero) will be enough for people to consider it a competitive device.

      they don't make devices, idiot. and the B&N case has already been shown to be rubbish anyway, so fail again.

      it seems you don't actually know enough about windows phone to do that so all you can do to get your trolling anti-MS post out is to spout this vague rhetoric. you could have tried to substantiate your claims but that would have defeated your claims anyway and thus you wouldn't have gotten modded-up for another anti-MS post, karma whore.

    21. Re:Duh by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      To break up the company and buy smartphone division (specifically hardware design one and logistics chain) for pennies on a dollar.

    22. Re:Duh by exomondo · · Score: 2

      That hardly seems logical, Microsoft's only successful foray into the device hardware business has been the XBox. I doubt they would do this for their phone business just like they wouldn't do it for the PC or Tablet business, they are primarily a software company, not a hardware one. It would also burn their device partners, many of which they are going to be relying on for windows 8.

    23. Re:Duh by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Microsoft very obviously lacks a proper distribution chain in phone market, like it has established with OEMs in PC market. Nokia Mobile Phones unit has the best distribution chain in the world when in comes to mobile phones, hands down.

      Add to that the world class logistics (for example, apple can't make ipad3 with different 4g unit for markets outside US, nokia can deliver customized versions of almost every phone in its already huge catalogue to each country or even region of a country) and you get the reason why microsoft, a company desperate for repeating its windows success on emerging smart phones and tablets market worldwide would be ready to do another xbox.

    24. Re:Duh by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I agree it would probably be a good move, develop their own hardware - like with the Zune and XBox - but that's a risk i don't see them taking, if they burn their partners and then this venture fails that puts them out completely. They are better off doing what they do with PCs and tablets, partner with OEMs and hardware manufacturers rather than breaking existing relationships in an attempt to go it alone.

    25. Re:Duh by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      That's the thing, Nokia is for all bits and purposes their "first phone OEM". But it will likely need to be propped financially and soon, and folks who own Nokia will likely want to kick the loss leader out and keep the profitable parts in. Their smart phone division is in utter tatters after loosing Meego team completely, shutting down Symbian and WP7 not selling nearly enough to compensate for symbian phase-out. At the same time the basic phones are still growing in sale numbers, post stable profits and actually improve the world (they do programs like remote medical care/obstetrics in remote villages of poor third world countries on their feature phones for example).

    26. Re:Duh by exomondo · · Score: 1

      That's the thing, Nokia is for all bits and purposes their "first phone OEM".

      Well not really, Nokia's first WP7 phone came along not that long ago, and well after other OEMs. OEMs who aren't going to like being abandoned and aren't going to take a chance on Microsoft platforms if that happens, yet MS needs them for products like Windows 8.

      At the same time the basic phones are still growing in sale numbers, post stable profits and actually improve the world (they do programs like remote medical care/obstetrics in remote villages of poor third world countries on their feature phones for example).

      Nokia aren't stupid enough to abandon smartphones and rely solely on the future of dumbphones. And in the end it still in no way fits the embrace, extend and extinguish, what's the thing they are embracing, extending and extinguishing?

    27. Re:Duh by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Umm, what lucky referenced is *exactly* what they have done numerous times.

      meet with a company, learn their stuff, either copy it and sell it as your own or bring down the company to acquire it for pennies. sound familiar?

    28. Re:Duh by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      Oh really now? Hi microsoft shill, let's call you on your lies.

      http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120209222500188

      Also new evidence to substantiate B&N's claims seem to be showing up every day:
      http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9225831/Why_tech_vendors_fund_patent_trolls_?taxonomyId=214 being *EXACTLY* what B&N have claimed.

      I love how you act like it's over just because rejected a single complaint. I guess you were so quick to troll and hide information you couldn't even get your spelling right.

    29. Re:Duh by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Hi Larry Bagina!

      I fail to see substance to your claims of competitiveness. There are cheaper phones that do more than microsoft phones can. If your idea of "competitive" is a display and a wireless connection than sure, anything can be competitive. If you're talking smartphones you're full of shit.

      You don't have to post the same thing twice.

      http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120209222500188 is a nice and succinct answer to why the B&N vs MS case is only beginning. To act like its' over is FUD.

    30. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nokia earns $15 on every iphone sold.

    31. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure a Lumia Pureview device won't be too far.

    32. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And probably any other phone will have particular features that may appeal to others. Should you care? I don't know. I do care for comparison and fairness.

      Since I do care... I ask... why should I care if YOU care?

  2. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Theophany · · Score: 0, Troll

    I think you were in cryogenic stasis since ~2007, which is ironically the last time Nokia made a phone worth owning. Everything since has been a slow and steady erosion of what was once an invaluable brand and that is now worthless beyond it's name.

  3. Nice phone, wrong OS by Jack+Malmostoso · · Score: 0

    If you like the shape of the phone, just get an N9 :)

    And yes, it runs Linux!

    1. Re:Nice phone, wrong OS by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you like the shape of the phone, just get an N9

      I might if I could try it before buying it.

    2. Re:Nice phone, wrong OS by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      With a little bit of luck, a Nokia researcher might forget one on a chair...

  4. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Tharsman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Goodbye iphone and android!

    What? You dual wield two phones at once? Go-go phone ninja!

    Curious: do you plan to dual wield 2 Win-Phones now?

  5. Re:Out of the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 7 != Window Phone 7. Get informed before opening your mouth.

  6. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

    Gawd, the astroturfers have become so obviously these times...

  7. Why Nokia hate android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Every OEM is using it expect Nokia and Apple

    1. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by rahlskog · · Score: 2

      I believe it was because they did not want to become just another Android maker having to compete with Samsung, LG, Huawei, ZTE and other brands with nothing but hardware to set them apart. So instead they chose WP7 and ended up competing with Samsung, LG, Huawei, ZTE and other brands...

    2. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by Relayman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every OEM is using it expect Nokia and Apple

      And the Android phones are having trouble standing out in a crowded market.

      There are a lot of people out there waiting for new Windows phones.

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    3. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      While I agree in this point, how is becoming a windows phone manufacturer any different?

    4. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because most android manufacturers are losing money.

    5. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      Everybody else seems to have it in their strategy to only put Windows Phone on half-assed, bland-looking models. In fact, their Android phones are hardly better, but somehow everybody puts up with that because Android is "free" or something.

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    6. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      It's because of google's slogan: "do no evil". How could you not truste a company that friendly?

    7. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is going to risk putting WPOs on a flagship phone if it's not going to sell, aside from Nokia?

    8. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get people like you. What's with this google paranoia? How can a company with a largely unknown track record be worse than Microsoft whose antics we, at least those of us who aren't in denial or just never moved out of mommys basement, are way too familiar with.

    9. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      With the risk comes the potential reward: being #1 on one of the three major smartphone platforms.
      Nokia seems to have already reached it with Lumia 800 in the markets where it is being sold.

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    10. Re:Why Nokia hate android? by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      You think in terms of black and white. The fact that MS has bad practices doesn't make google magically good. I avoid Google products whenever possible. That doesn't mean I even get close to MS. I don't. There are other alternatives.

  8. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think you were in cryogenic stasis since ~2007, which is ironically the last time Nokia made a phone worth owning.

    I am the proud owner of a Nokia N900 (which is very much worth owning) since end of 2010, which is well after 2007.

  9. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by wickedskaman · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Invaluable means valuable?! What a country!

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  10. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean trolls. Not astroturfers. It's a blatantly obvious troll. And unsurprisingly right now it has more replies than any other post in this thread.

  11. Hope MS does well with this phone by MoronGames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We need more competition in the mobile phone market. BlackBerry is pretty much dead, WebOS is dead, Symbian is dead. It would be really nice to see Microsoft grab a significant portion of the market away from Android, which will push Google into making their OS better.

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    1. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by Zouden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would think Google are trying their hardest to improve Android to compete with iOS. Another smartphone maker doesn't really change that does it?

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    2. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Wait, someone who wishes that Microsoft succeed against a Linux-based OS just got modded +5. Someone must have spoofed slashdot.org

    3. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that Microsoft seems to have no idea why people should use their phones. Apple claims better screen, face time, etc. Google claims open system, low cost app development and a wide range of hardware options. Microsoft claims you can get to the camera app real fast. Its just not a convincing argument.

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    4. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by Relayman · · Score: 1

      BlackBerry needs to drop hardware and develop an app that runs on any phone. Good luck getting that through their thick skulls!

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    5. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by cornjones · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Microsoft claims you can get to the camera app real fast.

      Its just not a convincing argument.

      The new crop of android phones are android phones are in a serious pissing match over this very stat. I will say that i will be weighing this in my decision. my phone is my primary camera and I have missed several camera worthy moment by phone lag of getting to the camera (yes I have set the camera to be able to launch from lock )

    6. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by cornjones · · Score: 1

      seconded... but part of their value prop is that they give strong security to corp IT. if this was just an app on another os, they may not be able to engender the same level of trust. (yes they could just encrypt the damn contents and offer short term keys over the network)

      the other problem bb has is that they had a long time to 'perfect' their phones. before the smart phone explosion, bb came out w/ a new phone every 9 mths or so that was a bit better than the last. with no competition they had time to slowly address usability issues and come out w/ a really good mobile email device. (my old bb bold is still far better than any smartphone for this). when the competition (iphone) came out, bb was not able to respond quickly. the 'quick' responses they did were crap. their only strength is as a work tool but we all want toys that can do work too. i don't see any hope for them at this point, really.

    7. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The new crop of android phones are android phones are in a serious pissing match over this very stat. I will say that i will be weighing this in my decision. my phone is my primary camera and I have missed several camera worthy moment by phone lag of getting to the camera (yes I have set the camera to be able to launch from lock )

      Hell, the iPhone is also in on it, back when Jobs was alive it was something he remarked upon in iOS - getting to the camera and snapping a photo was to be much quicker. (Leading to the joke of one particular Motorola handset taking a good long 5+ seconds to snap a photo and lagging in subsequent ones after that).

      Good to know that people are stepping up to the plate on the Android side as well

    8. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by ninjacut · · Score: 0

      Metro is the reason, very unique and well throught UI. The satisfaction rate of folks who actually use it is better than iOS or Android. I am using it for over a year now, and see no reason to even think of moving to iOS or Android.. perfect smartphone experience

    9. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by caywen · · Score: 2

      It was for me. The dedicated camera button is actually very useful. As I'm taking my phone out of my pocket, it's easy to hold the camera button down and have it ready to take pictures by the time it comes out. That's actually a fair bit faster than turning on and pressing a button on the lock screen. I've used both, and the camera button is simply better.

    10. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/04/03/rim-opens-network.html

    11. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by Artraze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I rather disagree.

      Apple phones pretty much define the high end, and so even if they're very shiny you have to pay for that. Also, they lock you into the Apple experience, which isn't necessarily the best one.

      Android is an open system, with low cost phones available, but at the same time it's plagued by bloatware and inconsistent user experience. Honestly, I don't know how people put up with it... Well, without installing Cyanogenmod like I did. I know someone with a Galaxy S II (IIRC) and the thing has ~30 apps on it that cannot be uninstalled (and are useless, of course). They'll always be there, with permissions you didn't approve, potentially running in the background wasting your resources and causing problems. (On that note, I know a different someone who's phone is actually rendered unstable due to a preinstalled app.) Sure, you can kind of hide them, but they'll be there when you look through the app drawer or add a shortcut or do a general action (e.g. "Share photo" via Picasa, Facebook, Twitter, arg where's MMS?)

      If Microsoft can actually deliver a streamlined no-nonsense interface and solidly hit the midrange price point I think they'll find buyers. It's true that people don't care _that_ much, but at the same time I think there's a lot of frustration building up over Apple's walled garden and Android's bloatware/platform issues. They may not be all 'wow I can shave 100ms of my time-to-pic', but when they go to buy their next phone they'll remember Microsoft advertising a snappy simple interface and their problems with their old phone and be willing to give it a try.

    12. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Nokia N900 has a hardware camera-cover; sliding it open pops up the camera app.
      How much quicker can /anything/ be than that? And it protects the lens from scratching.

      Alternately, a hardware camera/shutter button would work just as well. If the camera app isn't open, it opens it. If it is, it takes pictures/starts-stops video.

      -Robbiethe1st

    13. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft can actually deliver a streamlined no-nonsense interface and solidly hit the midrange price point I think they'll find buyers. It's true that people don't care _that_ much, but at the same time I think there's a lot of frustration building up over Apple's walled garden and Android's bloatware/platform issues. They may not be all 'wow I can shave 100ms of my time-to-pic', but when they go to buy their next phone they'll remember Microsoft advertising a snappy simple interface and their problems with their old phone and be willing to give it a try.

      This. It's pretty much a phone for grown-ups who don't go "ooh, it has four cores, imagine a Beowulf cluster of these", but who choose a device that is usable for their daily needs, and is perhaps good enough for their casual needs.

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    14. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think Google are trying their hardest to improve Android to compete with iOS. Another smartphone maker doesn't really change that does it?

      I actually disagree that Google is trying as hard as they could to improve Android. For starters, Google could at least put some effort into teaching their hardware partners how to create and calibrate quality touch drivers. Next time you walk by an AT&T store, go in. Try scrolling through any list or web page on any iPhone or Windows ahone -- both are really accurate, responsive, and smooth. Now try scrolling on Android -- even on similar hardware from the same manufacturer as some of the Windows phones, the experience is crap. Most Android owners don't notice how sloppy Android's experience is because they've got their head burried in the sand.

    15. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by keefus_a · · Score: 1

      This is where Palm missed their opportunity. Had they built a central command and control feature into WebOS I firmly believe they could have unseated RIM as the goto choice in the enterprise (given that they would have also had to release enterprise acceptable hardware). WebOS is still the best multitasking environment on a mobile platform. Add to that the ease with which enterprise web based apps can ported to and developed for the platform, and they'd have had a pretty strong argument.

    16. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by hairyfish · · Score: 2

      If Microsoft can actually deliver a streamlined no-nonsense interface and solidly hit the midrange price point I think they'll find buyers.

      And there is a good size of the market to be had in this space. I've had a iPhone and gave up on it, now have SGS2 and like it a lot, but still get a bit frustrated with unpolished nature of it (ie pretty much like Linux in general). I want a phone that has a solid user interface, but still a little bit of flexibility with hardware and what I'm allowed to do with it. It's just like the PC battle all over again. Apple are too locked in, Linux/Android too loose and fragmented, MS can come in with the closest balance of both and win.

    17. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Hell, the iPhone is also in on it

      In fact the iphone unlock to camera copied the way windows phone unlocks (slide the lock screen out of the way), they even copied the 'hint' about how to do it (hit the camera icon and the lockscreen 'bumps' up and down a bit to indicate that you need to slide it up).

    18. Re:Hope MS does well with this phone by kingturkey · · Score: 1

      Try reading in bed while lying down without giving yourself a neck injury. There's no way lock screen orientation! That alone is reason enough for me to never consider a WP7 phone, I hate automatic rotation. In Android I have it turned off ~98% of the time and when I do want it I quickly toggle it on from the notifications tray.

      I have a long list of other complaints about the OS, but it seems to me they mostly come into the same category: lack of choice, lack of options, lack of customization-ability.

  12. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by rahlskog · · Score: 3

    Yep, the N900 is still the best phone out of Nokia, I am afraid that it may one day break and I will be forced to look for an alternative.

  13. Good or Great is not enough by Wattos · · Score: 2

    From experience: "good"/"great" even "better than the competition" is not enough.

    It must be better by a huge margin (or have a "killer app") for the phone to be adopted at this late of a stage. Android had the edge of being "free", so it was "easy" to ship with. I am curious how successful the platform will be (and will be watching from the sidelines), but at this point I do not think it will change the mobile market.

    1. Re:Good or Great is not enough by ItsIllak · · Score: 2

      It's killer app is fully integrated contacts and social media. It's a hard one to understand though it's great when you've set it up and use it.

    2. Re:Good or Great is not enough by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

      The problem is every other phone already has a version of integrated contacts&media. Sometimes many versions to choose from.

      Maybe it really is a killer app, it's not WP7s killer app and I don't believe for a moment WP7s version is enough better to make it a sales driver. Having tried at least 6 different approaches on Android, for me its a counter productive idea that buries the gold in the cruft. Having contacts directly launch into all the possible channels does work for me, but I don't need WP7 for that.

    3. Re:Good or Great is not enough by keefus_a · · Score: 1

      I would add a Zune Pass to the list of killer features. I know that anything with "Zune" attached to the name is mostly assumed to be a joke with its own punchline, but for the price I don't think you can beat the deal. I hear that Spotify has a pretty good argument against that but I wouldn't know because I don't have a Facebook account, which is required to sign up.

  14. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

    I think you were in cryogenic stasis since ~2007, which is ironically the last time Nokia made a phone worth owning. Everything since has been a slow and steady erosion of what was once an invaluable brand and that is now worthless beyond it's name.

    I'm the proud owner of a Nokia C1. So are a lot of people I know. We're not all into smartphones you know.

  15. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's sort of the point of the reviews. For the price (and that does count a lot) the Lumia 900 is a decent phone. It struggles to compete with dual core phones which are much more expensive, which is a problem for the windows brand, since the Galaxy Nexus and iPhone 4s are powerful flagship devices, but as a Nokia Phone that isn't going to just be sold to rich people who can afford 500+ dollar phones it's pretty good overall (where I am the Galaxy Nexus and iPhone 4s run 575 and 650 dollars respectively, where the Lumia 900 is about 450).

    Now, overall, given the circumstances I don't think that makes it a great launch. Nokia, or one of the WP7.5 launch partners should have a quad core phone out the door nowish (but then I figured the playstation vita should be a phone as well), and the lumia 900 could be a mid range device. There's a big gap in the user experience between iphone and android in terms of software updates, and it's an area on the PC that MS does surprisingly well at in terms of how updates are delivered and what works/doesn't on them. But MS doesn't seem to have delivered very well, and that's not good for anyone, least of all nokia employees and shareholders.

  16. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by MadKeithV · · Score: 5, Funny

    Curious: do you plan to dual wield 2 Win-Phones now?

    That's obviously a win-win situation.

  17. Takeaway from the Ars review... by theurge14 · · Score: 1, Informative

    The brand new Lumia 900 comes out somewhat comparable to the two year old iPhone 4.

    Pass.

    1. Re:Takeaway from the Ars review... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      ...well, when you consider that it's about the same price as the two year old iPhone 4 ($99 w/a 2 year contract), it's not so bad.

  18. WP7's two biggest problems... by ItsIllak · · Score: 5, Informative

    First.

    The iPhone revolutionised the mobile phone market, essentially turning smartphones that had limited use and poor experience into things that are quick and reliable. Now we're tweaking and improving, it's hard for anyone to carve a niche. WP7's niche is that it totally integrates your contacts. If you know the same person in twitter, linkedin, your email db, facebook and more, WP7 seamlessly integrates them into the one person they are. That's it's killer app. The problem is that it takes more than a one-day test to really see this benefit so reviews are never going to "get it".

    Second.

    MS are keen not to make the mistake Android is making (or that they made in the PCmarket). They want to standardise the platform. This is easy for Apple/iPhone, they're the only ones making one. Not so easy keeping HTC, Samsung, Nokia and others to stick to one design. There's nothing for them to distinguish themselves in the market.

    Roll on Windows 8 and tablets - then iPhone will be under serious threat. For most consumers, the tablet - if properly conceived and integrated - is a far better computer experience than the PC/Laptop.

    (disclosure: I'm a devoted Lumia 800 and previously Samsung Omnia 7 owner)

    1. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by Nursie · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you know the same person in twitter, linkedin, your email db, facebook and more, WP7 seamlessly integrates them into the one person they are.

      My N900 has been doing that for some time now, as well as integrating skype messages and calls into the normal call and SMS systems.

      You mean other phones can't/don't do this?

    2. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      WP7's niche is that it totally integrates your contacts. If you know the same person in twitter, linkedin, your email db, facebook and more, WP7 seamlessly integrates them into the one person they are. That's it's killer app. The problem is that it takes more than a one-day test to really see this benefit so reviews are never going to "get it"."

      I'm trying to figure out what the advantage of this is. I already have a tool that integrates multiple modes of communication into one one view of a person, it's called my brain. I know that the joe375@hotmail that i email with is the same WittyNickname that i have on my twitter feed and the same as the OlderNickname that i have in my LJ friends. How does Microsoft "seamlessly integrating" them make things better?

      Although perhaps the fact that i have two distinct twitter accounts and two LJ accounts and three G+ accounts, all of which get variously used depending on how public i want to be and who i'm trying to communicate with, and know several other people who handle things the same way means that i'm not really the target audience.

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    3. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

      The integration has a dual edge to it. It handles some things well like replying to a FB message in tiles but to create a new FB message you need the FB app. Newer updates have promised to incorporate more functionality though. This is going to be a tricky balance as these apps add functionality, will MS be able to integrate that functionality in updates?

      Standardization is important but HTC, LG, or Samsung all make WP7 phones as far as I know so I'm not sure the advantage Nokia has when it comes to standardization.

      As for Windows 8, I think the biggest mistake that MS is making is not differentiating the different versions enough for consumers. Their insistence that everything must be "Windows" is only likely to cause bad PR. There is a reason Apple separates iOS from OS X and Google separates Android from Linux.

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    4. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS are keen not to make the mistake Android is making (or that they made in the PCmarket). They want to standardise the platform. This is easy for Apple/iPhone, they're the only ones making one. Not so easy keeping HTC, Samsung, Nokia and others to stick to one design. There's nothing for them to distinguish themselves in the market.

      Wait, what? Windows running on a wide variety of hardware not bound to a single distributer is a major reason they utterly dominated personal computing for a decade and a half. Apple's control-freak-like nature, on the other hand, is pretty directly why they nearly died as a company back in the 90s. And that was Microsoft's mistake? Sort of like how Android, despite the fanboys chanting "fragmentation" every day as if it meant something to the common user, is running equal-or-better in sales to the iPhone, depending on who you ask? Is that Google's "mistake", too?

    5. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

      If Android can do that, why the hell can't we do that on a desktop?!?

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    6. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      N900 aint' Android. It's Maemo.

    7. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The iPhone revolutionised the mobile phone market, essentially turning smartphones that had limited use and poor experience into things that are quick and reliable. Now we're tweaking and improving, it's hard for anyone to carve a niche. WP7's niche is that it totally integrates your contacts. If you know the same person in twitter, linkedin, your email db, facebook and more, WP7 seamlessly integrates them into the one person they are. That's it's killer app. The problem is that it takes more than a one-day test to really see this benefit so reviews are never going to "get it".

      The Nokia N9 and the Nokia N900 had this integration feature for years. It's nice to have, but it was not and will never be a killer app. Otherwise you'd see the Maemo/Meego being the third ecosystem as MS likes to brand itself.

      There are no killer apps anymore. Apple has amazing, yet closed hardware that is closely tied into their App Store with millions of apps and into iTunes with millions of songs and movies. So they appeal to fashionistas and people who just want something that works even if overpriced.

      Google has shitty or amazing, but open hardware that is tied into their Google Play with hundreds of thousands of apps, and is an open development platform where anyone can cook a ROM, tweak it, etc. So they appeal to poor people, regular people, geeks and everybody else. At the same time Google Play seems to be making a run for iTunes.

      What does MS bring to the table? They have sub par, closed hardware (sorry, but the beautiful design of the Lumia 900 does not compensate for the crappy specs), and they have few apps. Given the fiascos that were every single MS foray into digital media distribution, an iTunes style store is pretty much dead in the water.

      Maybe future revisions of Windows Mobile will address some of the issues. But do you think Apple, Google and even RIM are sitting around twiddling thumbs? How long did it take MS to implement copypasta? Nokia learned this lesson the hard way. Maemo 5 on the N900 was MILES ahead of Android or iOS. But they sat on it for a couple of years, and by the time Maemo 6 came out, it was outdated. I should know this, because I have both Maemo 6 and ICS in front of me.

      MS are keen not to make the mistake Android is making (or that they made in the PCmarket). They want to standardise the platform. This is easy for Apple/iPhone, they're the only ones making one. Not so easy keeping HTC, Samsung, Nokia and others to stick to one design. There's nothing for them to distinguish themselves in the market.

      This approach only ever worked for Apple, since they are a vertically integrated company. They differentiate based on hardware specs, design and OS all at once. But if you take away the OS and hardware specs as you propose with a standard Windows platform, that means design is the only thing left. Samsung, Nokia, HTC, LG, etc will become little more than custom case designers.

      Nokia took the bait, but it will be a cold day in hell before Samsung drops even their struggling Bada platform in favour of Windows.

      Really, tell me how will the hardware manufacturers differentiate themselves when they ALL have to have the exact same OS and hardware specs, and they ALL have access to the same apps, etc.

      Roll on Windows 8 and tablets - then iPhone will be under serious threat. For most consumers, the tablet - if properly conceived and integrated - is a far better computer experience than the PC/Laptop.

      Define properly conceived and integrated. That's such a platitude, I have a feeling you threw it in there because you were itching to click Submit. Tablets DEFINITELY have a place, but it's a niche. I tried iOS, Android and Windows 7 slate PCs. Yes, the most useful by far was the Samsung Series 7. But you know what? Even though it was a full fledged PC, with decent touch input, it was still limited. No keyboard meant I had to bring an external one.

    8. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's not true. To FB chat/message, chose your contact that's got a linked FB account. Hit the left/right arrow icon at the bottom to switch to fb mode and send a message. Same for all messaging services it supports...

    9. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by randallman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ditto. Another N900 owner here. I'm amazed when new phones don't do this when my relatively old N900 has always had really good contact account integration. Also, Skype and SIP are well integrated into the phone app and all messaging including SMS is integrated. Without looking at an indicator icon, you may not know whether you're using SMS or an IM protocol. Or you may now know if you're receiving a cell call or a Skype call.

      It's funny that MS is advertising features from the platform they're trying to kill.

    10. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by horza · · Score: 1

      There is a lot of rewriting history here. There were plenty of quick and reliable phones before the iPhone, which is no quicker or more reliable than any of its predecessors. The way it revolutionised the mobile phone market was to turn something as mundane as a phone into an expensive must-have fashion icon. The only original feature was the "Visual Voicemail". The contact integration (email/fb/phone/etc) is not some new killer app of WP7, Blackberry has been doing it for years.

      MS is similar to Android in that it has to work with all the handset manufacturers. This does not stop them from differentiating themselves. No.1 is by hardware, a nicer camera or bigger screen. No.2 is by initial touch/feel, which is where Android scores over MS with the ability to customise as much as needed. No.3 is exclusive content coming bundled. I can see no reason why any manufacturer would want to offer Microsoft Windows instead of Android though.

      Phillip.

    11. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If he's rewriting history, you're completely forgetting it. The killer app of the iPhone (before it had 3rd-party apps) was it was the FREAKING INTERNET IN YOUR POCKET. (OK, the WWW, technically, plus email.) Did you ever use a WAP browser on an early PDA, or even a more modern browser on an Axim or iPaq? They SUCKED. Horribly. And they depended on WiFi or, if you had a smartphone, on exorbitant data plans. The iPhone came with a really great web browser that showed real pages--just shrunken, but easily panned and zoomed--at a reasonable cost. PLUS it had a built-in iPod AND a great video player, Maps like had never been seen before on a mobile device, and plenty of other good things.

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    12. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      And you are rewriting history as well.
      Opera Mobile was a decent browser on Windows Mobile. It worked well on my XDA2 and even better on my Universal. There were much better navigation application than iPhone had for a long time (in fact, most big brand navigation software started on Windows CE/Mobile). And iPhone had a low resolution screen and wasn't able to run third party applications for a long while. It was a fashion toy compared to Windows Mobile back then, admittedly got better later.

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    13. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by ItsIllak · · Score: 1

      The killer app of the iPhone was capacitive touchscreen. You know, one that actually responded when you touched it, and for that matter, didn't when you didn't...?

      To go with it, an OS that prioritised user input. That was novel.

      iPhone is not, and has never been about all about being a "fashion icon". Sure, it's pretty, but that's just one of it's features.

    14. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think anyone who used pocket PCs in early 2000th would agree that "make it smaller, lighter and a phone" was more than obvious development.

    15. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by mcmaddog · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, like my Pre with WebOS did a couple years ago... not the best hardware, but loved the OS.

    16. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by ItsIllak · · Score: 1

      The Nokia N9 and the Nokia N900 had this integration feature for years. It's nice to have, but it was not and will never be a killer app.

      There are no killer apps anymore

      I know next to nothing about the N900 but killer apps need an ecosystem in which to exist. You can't just have one thing right and miss out on the other important stuff. Metro is an innovative UI that works really well. The marketplace has 50,000 apps. Who cares how many cores it has, the UI is responsive, properly written apps are fast to load and use.

      Really, tell me how will the hardware manufacturers differentiate themselves when they ALL have to have the exact same OS and hardware specs, and they ALL have access to the same apps, etc.

      This was pretty much my point. It's a problem MS have to get over. There's plenty they can do to achieve it. Manufacturers can use higher res, lower res screens (e.g. smaller, bigger). They can add keyboards. They can have better speakers, worse speakers, stereo speakers. They can have cool multi-colour polycarbonate shells. Or, they could do what Nokia is doing and write a few genuinely useful apps and parcel them with the device. I am of the opinion, as a developer, that if they can succeed with this, they've gone one over on Android (which is a royal pain to work with) and could easily get more market penetration than Apple.

      Define properly conceived and integrated.

      Yes, that was a rider to my main point so I didn't delve. I consider my WP7 device to be well conceived and properly integrated. It's a communications device and it covers most of the big communication services available to it and present them to me as one. I've not used the N900 but iPhone and Android certainly don't have it nailed as well as MS do.

      Most consumers don't do "any amount of serious work". They read reddit, and update their status. They play games and compare scores. I'm not saying the tablet is right for everyone. I think some people will want a netbook (preferably with capactive touch screen, everything should have a capacitive touchscreen) and a cellphone. Some people might have a smartphone and a laptop, some might have every conceivable format of device (me for instance, that's likely me).

    17. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by ItsIllak · · Score: 1

      Opera on WM 6.5 was truly legendary. Though generally Safari on iOS equalled it, but on far far better hardware.

    18. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by knarf · · Score: 1

      Well, no, I guess you really like your iPhone but that does not mean it was 'the phone to put the FREAKING INTERNET IN YOUR POCKET' (why shout, btw?). There were many phones which did this before Apple got into the game of selling phones. Many operating systems, as well, with many applications. Some were mediocre (Windows Mobile, I'm looking at you), some were good (Maemo comes to mind). Given the hardware they ran on, some of them actually performed quite well as mobile web platforms. Even the aging HTC Prophet - with its blazing 200 MHz OMAP - which I used until january 2012 allowed me to browse the web quite comfortably using one of several browsers (Opera Mobile, Opera Mini and Netfront being the ones I used most), watch video using Coreplayer and Mplayer, read mail using a host of programs and more. Apart from the relatively modest hardware, Windows Mobile was what held back this phone the most. Still, it did have its virtues in that it was a relatively open system, if not by intent then at least in practice. And it *did* put the internet (freaking or not) in my pocket, either through GPRS/EDGE or through its Wifi connections. And it fit nicely in my pocket, with its smooth rounded corners and screen-dominated front.

      In 2006 LG announced the 'Prada' with its capacitive touchscreen. Suddenly this was the thing to have, no more pesky pens to lose, no more scratched resistive touch screens. Apple must have thought the same thing when they launched the iPhone with the same type of screen less than a year later. They also seem to have liked the LG Prada's minimalistic design, given that the iPhone looked (and looks) just like it (minus two buttons).

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    19. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by hairyfish · · Score: 2

      For most consumers, the tablet - if properly conceived and integrated - is a far better computer experience than the PC/Laptop.

      Disagree 100% Not sure what you mean by "properly conceived and integrated", but the simple fact that you have to hold the tablet with at least one hand, and control it using broad movements with your other hand make it mostly impractical for long term use.

    20. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to figure out what the advantage of this is. I already have a tool that integrates multiple modes of communication into one one view of a person, it's called my brain.

      Why even bother with a phonebook? Just use your brain to remember the phone number and associate a name with it.

    21. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      The integration has a dual edge to it. It handles some things well like replying to a FB message in tiles but to create a new FB message you need the FB app.

      Pretty sure you just select 'Send Facebook Message' (or somesuch) in the contact card.

    22. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Seriously? You're either a troll or some kind of mental freak. I'm someone who's very bad with names. I often have to get introduced to someone three or four times before their name starts to stick. But even so i have learned probably well over a thousand names for well over a hundred different people. First names, last names, occasionally middle names, nicknames, email names, LJ names, twitter names, etc. I currently have exactly two phone numbers memorized. My current phone number, and the phone number of my parents, and i only have the second one memorized because it's the same one i grew up with.

      There are hundreds of millions of people who need some kind of phonebook to keep track of phone numbers because the human brain, at least as it's used by the average person, is not used to remembering long strings of numbers that way. Very few of those people need to make lists to keep track of the names of their friends and immediate family. Your response makes absolutely no sense.

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    23. Re:WP7's two biggest problems... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Seriously?

      No, obviously (well i suppose not obvious enough to you) not.

      But even so i have learned probably well over a thousand names for well over a hundred different people. First names, last names, occasionally middle names, nicknames, email names, LJ names, twitter names, etc.

      And it's far far easier to just remember their name and have every other contact method associated with that - heard of a rolodex? - hence the reason just about every phone does this and has done for many many years.

  19. New Class? BS! by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thatâ(TM)s the key point here: The Lumia 900 isnâ(TM)t targeting iPhone or Galaxy users; itâ(TM)s targeting the 41% of the US public who still own a feature phone. If youâ(TM)re already firmly set on getting an iPhone, the Lumia wonâ(TM)t stop you â" but for walk-in customers, the $200 price difference is really quite significant.

    A quick glance on Amazon shows new android phones at less than $300 without a contract. T-Mobile has lots of Android phones available at $0 + plus a contract. Those current feature phone owners will find that more attractive than $450 for the Lumia 900, or about the same as $0 to $99 with a contract. It's not a new class.

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    1. Re:New Class? BS! by ItsIllak · · Score: 1

      Nokia have also released the Lumia 710 which is in (or close to) that price range I believe.

    2. Re:New Class? BS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much is your phone after you pay for a voice and data plan? The AVERAGE customer pays $80-$100/month. So your "free" phones end up costing you up to $2400 (or more, especially on AT&T!) over the 2 year period that most customers will be locked into. Most US customers simply dont buy unlocked phones off contract.

      What we have here is Nokia and Microsoft wanting to have it both ways. Yes, its their "Flagship" device...but it's also a cheap, inexpensive phone for the entry level customer! Which is it? Well, the specs and reviews pretty much show that for a "flagship", it's underwhelming...so PLAN B! Sell them for free! Or for $100! Surely SOMEONE will want it at that price, right?

      The fact that this phone is being GIVEN AWAY shows you how much desperation they are feeling right now. If it were TRULY a "Flagship" device, and could go toe to toe with the iPhone 4s and the latest Android phones, you would not see them giving them away!

    3. Re:New Class? BS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though a quick glance around Amazon will also show the top rated phones are mostly windows phones and not those low end Android phones, so maybe this is a new level of value for customers.

    4. Re:New Class? BS! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      How many new Android phones for $300 come with a non-PenTile AMOLED screen?

    5. Re:New Class? BS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how those "top rated" don't show up amongst best selling.

  20. Re:Out of the way by caywen · · Score: 1

    Source please.

  21. Can I hear you now? by pjpII · · Score: 1

    So, are any of these reviews going to give us any idea, at all, of call or sound quality on these phones? Or have we just completely given up on the "phone" part of the functionality?

    1. Re:Can I hear you now? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      So, are any of these reviews going to give us any idea, at all, of call or sound quality on these phones? Or have we just completely given up on the "phone" part of the functionality?

      From what I can tell about reading non proffesional online reviews/comments, all many techincal people care about are the number of cores on the device. Doesn't matter if they're turned on or off, or are even fast. They apparently only buy phones for the cores in them.

    2. Re:Can I hear you now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone-spectrum audio has been 'solved' for a number of years. Unless you read a review complaining about substandard quality, it can play evertything that gets sent over the phone call, and can record everything that can be sent to the other end. If you want to know the capabilities of the microphone and speaker, look for a portion about music/movie playback. I only skimmed a few of the links, but I didn't notice a section on the speaker quality, so I do not know if anyone asked.

      And since the summary mentioned one of the reviews being unimpressed with the camera, I had read about this a few weeks ago. The initial run of Nokia 900s is only going through ATT, but in a few months a version with an upgraded camera will hit the market, and at least a few other carriers. I only remember that Verizon is expected to have the 900b (for lack of an exact product name) in mid-summer, but some other names were mentioned as well.

    3. Re:Can I hear you now? by pijokela · · Score: 1

      This isn't completely true. You can use a Nokia phone as a pretty good conference phone with the speaker mode. It grabs voice from people speaking meters away from the device. I used to think all phones did this, but then I learned that Samsung Galaxy S II and I are pathetic as speakerphones. Great for surfing the web though.

      So, yeah, I'd like to have something about talking in the reviews.

    4. Re:Can I hear you now? by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, when was the last time you tried a phone and found it to have poor sound quality for just talking? You sound like someone who shops for a new car and asks if it's hard to change the points or adjust the carburetor.

  22. Autonomy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even ONE DAY of autonomy ... When will we able to buy PHONES ?

    1. Re:Autonomy by higuita · · Score: 1

      why is this modded as -1 ?
      some people do want phones that work also as... phones!!

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  23. Nokia N9 Linux Swipe FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nokia's Linux N9 has a front facing camera and an option for 64 (not 16) gigabytes. Plus the swipe keyboard is the bomb. Check out the video, 2nd thumbnail from the left, on the bottom of this page:

    http://swipe.nokia.com/

    It is a breeze for me to SSH to it, when I need a real keyboard, like to enter serious passwords, (hopefully rarely).

    Those are the main advantages the Linux N9 has over the Lumia 900, its WP7 polycarbonite twin.

    1. Re:Nokia N9 Linux Swipe FTW! by pijokela · · Score: 2

      I bought a 16GB N9 a week ago for 299€ (no strings attached). I just love the thing. I've been learning to build small apps for it and the Qt development environment is just awesome to anything I've seen before. And despite it being the only Meego model and only sold in some markets, the Ovi store pretty much has all the apps I care for... ok, I'd take some more games, but that's not critical.

      It's just sad that something technically so excellent is abandoned completely for strategic business reasons. :-( But then, I can use it for years regardless of "company support."

  24. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 2

    I still don't trust Microsoft in the mobile world. They've shown too many times that they're willing to shut down projects (Kin anybody?). Like Apple in the datacenter, I question how much effort they're willing to expend to stay in an already saturated market.

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  25. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    'Invaluable means valuable?! What a country!'

    invaluable/invalyoobl/
    Adjective:
    Extremely useful; indispensable: "an invaluable source of information".

  26. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because it is. I wuv my N900!

  27. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Billions? They've been at this a while. Kin was dead out the door, they knew it, you knew it, I knew it. Everyone knew it. But contracts must be honoured.

    That doesn't mean they'll ever make any money however, it could be billions invested for nothing. The windows 8 strategy of unifying all the device OS's is actually a good idea. A decent phone these days is basically a half speed laptop (with a dual core 1.x GHz processor and a gig or so of ram that's like half a laptop), which means you really can run the same OS on everything. If you try out the windows 8 preview it seems more like it's for phones than desktops, so this might be shooting themselves in the foot with a rocket launcher overall, but we'll see. They certainly seem to be all in on this plan.

  28. Re:Out of the way by Relayman · · Score: 2

    It runs Windows Phone 7.5 (Mango). A step up from 7.

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  29. I read the Anantech review by anss123 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Quick summary:

    It looks okay. Wifi and 3g battery life is poor, but 4g is good. Java script performance is unimpressive. Camera is good, but white balance is poor and a faster CPU would help post processing. There wasn't nothing to complain about on the display. No 5Ghz wifi, but bandwidth and such is good. Speaker quality is good. And that's about it.

    Their biggest complaint seems to be that the phone lacks a dual core CPU. They are apparently coming and will let the phone record video at 1024p, over 720p, and perhaps take better photos.

    Other than that, it's a normal Windows 7.5 phone.

  30. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you die an utterly painful death for that HORRENDOUS pun. I had a little vomit in my mouth after reading that one.

  31. Nice phone, but Nokia needed more for Microsoft by caywen · · Score: 1

    First off, I like Windows Phone 7.5. I have an HTC Titan, and it works quite well. I would definitely say it's almost competitive in most aspects, and does exceed in a few important areas. That said, Microsoft's really not doing Nokia many favors. Lumia 900 really needed an updated WP OS. This was a perfect opportunity for Microsoft to release, say, WP7.6, with support for a higher resolution screen, and maybe some much needed UI tweaks and facelifts. Instead, consumers may well walk into AT&T and realize that phones like the Focus Flash run exactly the same OS and are free. Fine for MS, but not so good for Nokia.

    Microsoft really needs to have Apollo ready, like, yesterday. There is already a good amount of mystique about it, but that mystique will dissipate quickly once iOS 6 and Android 5.0 hits the market.

  32. Flip phone + Galaxy Player by tepples · · Score: 2

    Yes, it's a pity that Microsoft killed the Pocket PC in the Windows Mobile 6 era. So if you want more battery life for the phone, you'll probably have to do without Windows Phone. Buy and carry both a cheap flip phone and an Android-powered PDA such as a Samsung Galaxy Player. The PDA gets service wherever there's Wi-Fi, and in this car culture, if you don't have Wi-Fi, you're probably already busy driving a vehicle.

  33. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, for fuck's sake, Theophany. Look, you've been here before, you KNOW the consequences of making a statement like that. Now look what you've done. You've summoned another member of the N900 Denial Squad into this thread. See? NOW do you see why we don't make statements like that? Now he'll NEVER leave! That's ANOTHER moron we'll have infesting any other Slashdot story that has to do with any sort of cell phone!

  34. I can't see if going anywhere by maroberts · · Score: 1

    Most phones in UKia are sold on contract and if people are told they can have this or an iPhone4s if they agree a few more months on their contract I know which way they're gonna go.

    The main reason to buy a Nokia seems to be if you want a camera which just happens to have a phone on it, such as an N-900 or even their forthcoming Nokia-808 PureView when it comes out

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  35. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I had the N900, used it for several months, I don't consider it worth owning at all - and I can't understand why people are so enthusiastic about it.

    Terrible interface, terrible screen, terrible keyboard, hardware wasnt at all resilient (the wifes one died physically after 6 months of usage).

  36. Missing Features by Amtrak · · Score: 1

    The phone looks nice, but I have always felt that Microsoft has made a calculated mistake in trying to be "Me too" Apple. They will never have the blind, "This device is hot!" following that apple has. M$ should get back to there roots, business. WP is a good piece of software, and has the opportunity to make itself secure and business friendly, but by crippling the platform with single core processors and no removable memory it will never interest power users. But if they go business centric they may have a chance to catch Apple where they are weak, and with RIM imploding they actually have a chance.

    1. Re:Missing Features by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The original strategy of business centric was back in the day when most smart phones were for businesses as they were the only ones to put with the hassles of a smart phone. Most manufacturers released consumer versions that were just slightly modified versions of the business class as some enterprise users wanted the same functionality in a personal phone. The business segment was vastly larger than the consumer side. Apple and Google focused on phones that were designed for consumers and the consumer market has exploded eclipsing the business segment.

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    2. Re:Missing Features by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This has been Microsoft's failing for a long time; they desperately want to have the cachet and blind following that Apple has, but they have no idea how to do it (heck, even Apple probably doesn't really know how they did it; if it was that simple, everyone would do it). Instead, Microsoft just copies Apple but very poorly, with ridiculously bad ad campaigns--remember the MSN butterfly campaign years ago, where people dressed in ridiculous blue butterfly suits were running around Manhattan trying to "generate buzz"? They're sorta the hopelessly nerdy kid that tries to be cool, but just doesn't understand how, and refuses to give up and play to his own strengths.

    3. Re:Missing Features by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      WP is a good piece of software, and has the opportunity to make itself secure and business friendly, but by crippling the platform with single core processors

      Here it comes again. Please explain what kind of extra awesomeness WP could attain if it ran on multiple cores. The OS and all applications I use are pretty snappy, so it's not about UI lagging. Are people too mentally conditioned by the sluggishness of Android? Or is it that iPhone has multiple cores, so it's an unquestionable rule of the day that all comparable smartphones must have the same amount or more?

      and no removable memory it will never interest power users.

      For the past five years or so, I never felt myself wanting to use removable memory on my phone. I guess there are people who need gazillion gigabytes of swappable storage, but I guess their numbers are much smaller than the number of people who tend to get a life and just need a convenient phone.

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    4. Re:Missing Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your butthurt is so funny, dude.

      Check it - "just a convenient phone" has a smashing success with percent or two worldwide adoption after two years in the market, while alleged "people who need gazillion gigabytes of swappable storage and don't have a life" and whose numbers are "much smaller" buy Android devices like hot cake.

      Oh, and your "#1 in one of three major mobile platforms" somewhere up the thread? Hate to break it to you, but being 99% of WinPhone's 2% means lose to those who have just 5% of Android's 50% market.

      MS copying Apple's (past) "It's for true connoiseurs, that's why it doesn't sell much" line, who'da thought?

    5. Re:Missing Features by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      Check it - "just a convenient phone" has a smashing success with percent or two worldwide adoption after two years in the market, while alleged "people who need gazillion gigabytes of swappable storage and don't have a life" and whose numbers are "much smaller" buy Android devices like hot cake.

      Where did I say that only geeks buy Android phones?

      Oh, and your "#1 in one of three major mobile platforms" somewhere up the thread? Hate to break it to you, but being 99% of WinPhone's 2% means lose to those who have just 5% of Android's 50% market.

      MS copying Apple's (past) "It's for true connoiseurs, that's why it doesn't sell much" line, who'da thought?

      Let's get back to this conversation (if I can call so getting comments from an AC), say, six months from now. Being an Android fanboi, you may have reasons to be as insecure as you seem to.

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    6. Re:Missing Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make a post in your journal and we'll see in half a year.

      WinPhone will be irrelevant by then, anyways, what with imminent Win8 launch and all. Why buy a phone that is guaranteed to be obsoleted soon?

      See, for example, Android 2.2 devices are not obsoleted by undelivered Android 4.0 update - there are still new applications written compatible back to Android 2.0 and even 1.x, and those run on ICS as well.

      Same for iOS - there are new apps targeting iPad 3, but there are new apps that work on older iOS devices as well.

      WinPhone 7, on the other hand, has a completely different development stack vs Win8 Metro. WinPhone 7 development will be left behind and Win8 app ecosystem will have to start anew.

      All in all, outlook not good for Nokia. MS might not mind WP7 flop, but Nokia - not so much.

    7. Re:Missing Features by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      WinPhone will be irrelevant by then, anyways, what with imminent Win8 launch and all. Why buy a phone that is guaranteed to be obsoleted soon?

      Obsoleted, or upgraded to Windows Phone 8?

      WinPhone 7, on the other hand, has a completely different development stack vs Win8 Metro.

      Really? As far as I could see, it's the same C#/WPF/Silverlight stuff, which I expect Windows 8 will support for years to come. Where do you get your FUD from?

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  37. Better than N9? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all I want to know.

    1. Re:Better than N9? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already know the answer to that one...

  38. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Inconceivable! My n900 has bounced off of numerous surfaces for the past 3 years including linoleum, concrete, steel and in once instance actually damaged the asphalt at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. No Otterbox either, because that's how I roll. It has some little scratches and a worn spot on the screen from it's gorilla-glassness rubbing up against my keys but other than that it works fine.

    I'm willing to bet that she had to find another n900 to damage her own n900 with. Nothing can truly damage or destroy a Nokia except another Nokia.

    Maybe your wife just broke her n900 because she'd rather have an iPhone. There is no other reasonable conclusion.

  39. Physical keyboard? by alexo · · Score: 2

    Are there any good phones with a real physical 5-row QWERTY slider keyboard anymore?

    1. Re:Physical keyboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dual core 3g
      milestone 3.
      droid 3

      dual core 4g
      droid 4

      No current options for sprint or tmo, though, unless you can deal with the milestone 3 on edge only.
      If you can deal with 4-row, the optimus q/slider is pretty tits too, for a crapgadget class phone.

    2. Re:Physical keyboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can find it, and want WP7, I'd suggest the Dell Venue Pro.
      It is a REALLY good phone, it just sucks that Dell dropped the ball so badly on it.

    3. Re:Physical keyboard? by alexo · · Score: 1

      Thanks but I'd prefer Android.

    4. Re:Physical keyboard? by chenjeru · · Score: 1

      The only current-generation one I'm aware of is the Motorola Droid 4, which isn't GSM. Or the Droid 3 which is about 8 months old. I wish the list of options were longer since I prefer physical buttons too.

      http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_3-4036.php
      http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_4_xt894-4418.php

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  40. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by gox · · Score: 2

    I bought three N900 phones until now (one for wife, one for a friend), two of them were second hand, none of them broke. And they've been constantly abused by my two toddlers, fell down from tables and into puddles god knows how many times. Recently I tried to smash mine against a wall (was having a rage episode), threw it directly at the wall two times with all my might. It's still working, apart from the camera function, and I'm still using it. I also constantly overclock it from 600 to 1150 MHz.

    I'm not such a gadget enthusiast, but I've read some criticism against N900, which focused on screen/keyboard, but never heard about resiliency. My wife also recently bought an Asus Transformer Prime. Screen? I can read from N900 in broad daylight but it's impossible with the transformer. Keyboard? Mechanical keyboards are still better than on-screen ones as a matter of fact.

    What else? I love being able to run the same programs on my desktop PC and my mobile tablet. I love being able to carry one in my back pocket. If you have a better solution for this than the N900, I'd probably be inclined to buy one.

  41. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2

    They certainly seem to be all in on this plan

    Indeed they do. Too soon to know whether it works or not. But it's all upside for Microsoft. They don't need for people to like it on the desktop. As we've seen with Vista - people get (and pay for) it whether they like it or not. And if they put up a big enough stink, they can pay extra not to get it. In the meantime, Microsoft gets a fully funded project to develop a tablet OS that might possibly be able to leverage MSOffice compatibility into a winning formula. Nice what a monopoly or two can do...

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  42. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by hobarrera · · Score: 1

    Buy a spare N900 while you still can! That's what I'm about to do!

  43. Cell Phone Luddite Input by eepok · · Score: 1

    I'm still a cell phone Luddite. I don't like most "smart" functions because of the drain battery power while giving me a ton of stuff I don't want.

    Things I don't want:
    "Seamless integration of phone and social networking contacts" -- I have different spheres of life for a reason. I don't want any corporation being able to draw a perfect picture of my habits, hobbies, peers, or family.

    "Blazing fast web access" -- I don't want to shell out more than I'm paying right now ($50/month) for a cell phone. That means I don't want a "data plan". The lack of web access decreases time/money/effort spent on phone development and prevents unexpected accidental charges.

    "Touch screen keyboard" -- Buttons work better. They just do.

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm as super nerd as anyone else, but I also have a very real preference to not be "leashed" by technology. I refuse to become "tech dependent" which most people admit to becoming after getting a smart phone. ("I never thought I would need it, but now I can't live without it.")

    I just want the following functions to work *flawlessly* on a feature phone:
    *Great speakerphone, sound, and mic
    *Hardware QWERTY for text messaging
    *Customizable UI color schemes
    *MicroSD card Slot
    *Good quality snapshot camera (no flash necessary)
    *Great MP3/OGG/etc. player and interface
    *3.5mm headphone jack
    *All other weight saved should go to increased battery size/life and reduced weight

    1. Re:Cell Phone Luddite Input by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      "Seamless integration of phone and social networking contacts" -- I have different spheres of life for a reason. I don't want any corporation being able to draw a perfect picture of my habits, hobbies, peers, or family.

      You misunderstand what "integration" means in this case. Simply put, if you add a Facebook account, your friends from there will appear in your contact list ("People hub"). Which I personally find rather inconvenient, but it doesn't mean that Facebook gets to see your regular phone contact list. And, of course, if you don't add Facebook account at all, it's a non-issue.

      "Blazing fast web access" -- I don't want to shell out more than I'm paying right now ($50/month) for a cell phone. That means I don't want a "data plan". The lack of web access decreases time/money/effort spent on phone development and prevents unexpected accidental charges.

      "Touch screen keyboard" -- Buttons work better. They just do.

      Sounds like you don't want a smartphone, then.

    2. Re:Cell Phone Luddite Input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wifi.

    3. Re:Cell Phone Luddite Input by eepok · · Score: 1

      You are correct. I *don't* want a smartphone, but that's the only kind of cell phone receiving genuine development. No one's trying to perfect the simple functions of the feature phone (sound quality, mic quality, media player, camera, keyboard, battery life).

      Instead, the smartphone is receiving 99% of development focus because it can be used to bring in additional revenue beyond normal subscription.

      It's too much of a focus on "more" and not enough on "better".

    4. Re:Cell Phone Luddite Input by zevans · · Score: 1

      You need a BlackBerry Curve then; at least in the UK you can get one for half your $50 a month.

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  44. Most reviews lob softballs, Not TheVerge. by guidryp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/3/2921472/lumia-900-review

    It seems reviewers are anxious for a third ecosystem to emerge so the keep making light of the shortcomings. This is ~2010 era HW power, with an OS that was aimed at the original iOS and hasn't caught up to the competition. People need to stop making excuses for the Weak HW, and weak SW. Microsoft/Nokia, need to seriously revamp the OS and release a real flagship if they want to be anything but irrelevant.

    Verge Excerpt(on the software itself):
    Let me just put this bluntly: I think it's time to stop giving Windows Phone a pass. I think it's time to stop talking about how beautifully designed it is, and what a departure it's been for Microsoft, and how hard the company is working to add features. I am very aware of the hard work and dedication Microsoft has put into this platform, but at the end of the day, Windows Phone is just not as competitive with iOS and Android as it should be right now.

    The problems with Windows Phone are myriad, many small. But it's a death by a thousand cuts. And all those little problems were once again immediately apparent to me the moment I started using the Lumia 900.

    The most glaring issues also happen to be some of the oldest issues — things you think at this point would have been dealt with. Scrolling in third party apps, for instance, is still completely erratic. I would blame this on developers, but given that this platform has been around for nearly two years, I think that's a cop out. In new Twitter apps like Carbon, lists of messages will sometimes disappear or skip weirdly when scrolling. I first complained about this in version 1 of Windows Phone, and I thought it had been squashed — it has not.

    Elsewhere there are missteps. Though Microsoft has added some form of multitasking to the OS, there is nearly never a feeling that apps in the "background" are actually still waiting for you. In fact, many apps still deliver a splash screen to you when you reenter them — if this is a developer issue, then I guess most of the hardworking coders on this platform never got the memo. In short, it kind of sucks to use. Where iOS and Android at least feel responsive in packing and unpacking background apps, Windows Phone often comes across as broken and limp. ....

    1. Re:Most reviews lob softballs, Not TheVerge. by ruemere · · Score: 2

      This.
      I've been using Nokia Lumia 800 for some time now, and while some aspects of the product are very polished, my overall opinion is negative.

      Sample problems:
      - some tiles are animated, some not - pretty distracting experience.
      - while the interface is responsive, you still need to do several taps and slides to get a result you can set a single tap under an Android or iPhone.
      - 50k apps in the market if neither can do stuff I need.
      - no Google apps I need - sorry, Nokia, your phone needs to be able to join existing ecosystem.
      - battery - ye gods, hopefully those of you who purchase Nokia Lumia 900 do not experience the issues we have in EU with Nokia Lumia 800. In short, it's buggy, unpredictable, goes haywire in areas with worse coverage and generally tends to suddenly expire on you quickly. A show stopper.
      - no easy way to access file system.
      - display which simply fails in sunlight.
      - limited customization.

      Apart from battery issues, it's a fine phone, but compared to my HTC Desire with MildWild... it just does not come close. Yes, my HTC Desire may not perform as quick in 'Smoked' tests, but it does what I need, including playing Angry Birds for free.

      Regards,
      Ruemere

    2. Re:Most reviews lob softballs, Not TheVerge. by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      - some tiles are animated, some not - pretty distracting experience.

      I don't get this complaint. You want all tiles to be animated, or none at all?
      Live tiles are very useful. They could do without some gratuitous animation, I agree. I guess they wanted some attention grabbers for the first few minutes in the store.

      - while the interface is responsive, you still need to do several taps and slides to get a result you can set a single tap under an Android or iPhone.

      Any specific examples?

      - battery - ye gods, hopefully those of you who purchase Nokia Lumia 900 do not experience the issues we have in EU with Nokia Lumia 800. In short, it's buggy, unpredictable, goes haywire in areas with worse coverage and generally tends to suddenly expire on you quickly. A show stopper.

      A recent update has fixed it for my Lumia 800. It didn't feel buggy to me to begin with, it just drained too soon. I would very much welcome a warning chime when the battery charge gets low; I understand some people may hate it, but this helped me to avoid running out of battery with other phones.

      Also, you can prevent most applications from running in the background unnecessarily, and there is a battery saving mode to shut down non-essential background activities when the battery is running low.

      - no easy way to access file system.

      This is a geek requirement. Even the matter of having a file system bears little relevance to what most people use their phones for. This one does not have removable storage, neither does it pose as a USB mass storage device (and it's a good time we'd moved on from that antiquated interface), so what would you need the file system access for?

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    3. Re:Most reviews lob softballs, Not TheVerge. by ruemere · · Score: 1

      - some tiles are animated, some not - pretty distracting experience.

      I don't get this complaint. You want all tiles to be animated, or none at all?
      Live tiles are very useful. They could do without some gratuitous animation, I agree. I guess they wanted some attention grabbers for the first few minutes in the store.

      Human sense of sight is attuned to following motion. When you look at the calm, immobile surface of an interface, you are free to proceed at leisure, but when something moves, you usually skip immediately to moving part. And so, when I look at Metro interface, and I see animations in People tile, I have this urge to check it out instead... whereas the animations are just there to prettify the effect. And the truly important content, like missed calls are reported by static number.

      This inconsistency made me move People tile outside of visible area, even though it is second most used tile in the phone.

      - while the interface is responsive, you still need to do several taps and slides to get a result you can set a single tap under an Android or iPhone.

      Any specific examples?

      Sure. On my Android phone I have a small group of toggle buttons - WiFi, AutoSync, Mobile Data (called Cellular Data on my Nokia), Flight Profile, Silent. The best I can achieve for the Nokia is to get a shortcut tile to an actual interface. So instead of "touch, wait for effect" I need to "touch, slide to ON position, wait for effect". That's just for WiFi toggle. It gets worse for the Nokia - there are simply no equivalents to achieve one-touch change into Flight or specific profile. To up the ante consider starting the service in bright sunlight - I can do it on my HTC Desire by tapping certain part of my screen (to increase brightness or to turn on the services), while on the Nokia I need to slide and slide.

      - battery - ye gods, hopefully those of you who purchase Nokia Lumia 900 do not experience the issues we have in EU with Nokia Lumia 800. In short, it's buggy, unpredictable, goes haywire in areas with worse coverage and generally tends to suddenly expire on you quickly. A show stopper.

      A recent update has fixed it for my Lumia 800. It didn't feel buggy to me to begin with, it just drained too soon. I would very much welcome a warning chime when the battery charge gets low; I understand some people may hate it, but this helped me to avoid running out of battery with other phones.

      Also, you can prevent most applications from running in the background unnecessarily, and there is a battery saving mode to shut down non-essential background activities when the battery is running low.

      Apparently, there hasn't been an update distributed for my area (Poland). The phone quit on me suddenly with 3/4 battery left - it happened just once, but still it hurt. Through trial and error, me and my colleagues, found out that charging through USB connection leads to erratic behaviors. Also: traveling by train or using data services, like maps. I have the battery saver on, but the most irksome part is the sheer unpredictability of the experience. Unused, the phone survives 4-5 days (guess why it was left in unused state).

      - no easy way to access file system.

      This is a geek requirement. Even the matter of having a file system bears little relevance to what most people use their phones for. This one does not have removable storage, neither does it pose as a USB mass storage device (and it's a good time we'd moved on from that antiquated interface), so what would you need the file system access for?

      Come on, this is 12 GB of wasted space waiting to be used for DVD images, install files, running live distributions. This is a personal computer one can use to actually do stuff. Limiting it to syncing with social networks and playing media is akin to castration. Why would I use a smartphone for braindead activities only?

      Regards,
      Ruemere

  45. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trouble with the hype was that it gave me the impression that the Lumina 900 was a high-end device. So telling me it was, and then on launch saying it is a good medium-end (oxymoron!) device seems a little odd. Perhaps I had a misunderstanding.

  46. Man... by flameproof · · Score: 1

    ...the amount of astroturf about this today makes me feel like the internet just turned into Edward Jones Dome.

    In other news: (plugs NL900 into Windows computer, presses 'synch', BSOD on both devices). Dammit... Got me again...

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  47. iPhone is not a $500 phone in the US by Pausanias · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting how Apple cannot shake its image as a pricy, too-expensive-for-the-hardware manufacturer, even when that's not always true.

    In the US, you can get an ATT iPhone 4, which everyone agrees basically is not that much worse than their flagship 4S, for $99. For that price you get 960x640 resolution at high pixel density and a motherlode of apps, plus a device that when jailbroken is an absolute joy to use. This is for the same exact price as the N900, yet N900 comes off as a cheapo phone that's a bargain and the iPhone gets off as some kind of luxury item.

    Same for the 8-core Mac Pro. My supposedly economical cluster blade vendor is sending me quotes for 8-core Nehalem blades that are the same price as the 8-core Mac Pro... WTF? Oh yeah, an 8+ core Mac Pro is actually very competitively priced compared to anything other than build your own.

    So yeah, apple will rob you blind if you're trying to buy a charger, but just remember, there are some prices that aren't ripoffs, OK?

    1. Re:iPhone is not a $500 phone in the US by pijokela · · Score: 3, Interesting

      $99 up front and how much each month? For how long?

      From this side of the pond, the U.S. phone market looks really weird. I just bought an N9 for 299€ without any plan. My phone bill is below 20€ / month and obviously, I can change any time. For me the cheapest iPhone would be 519€ - again without a plan... I do have the choice of buying the phone and paying in installments for two years, but why would I want to?

  48. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by 21mhz · · Score: 1

    For the price (and that does count a lot) the Lumia 900 is a decent phone. It struggles to compete with dual core phones

    It only "struggles" in the imagination of people who believe that more cores = better, before they have actually tried to do anything with the thing.

    Nokia, or one of the WP7.5 launch partners should have a quad core phone out the door nowish

    Why the hell? Lumia 900 is fast enough for anyone whose perception is not affected by reading spec sheets.

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  49. Marvellous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a marvellous product, considering WIndows Phone was dead, Nokia was dead and just about everything except Apple is dying,

    It is the beginning of new products which can go head to head with Apple. Android is playing a loosing game. People have no idea what they are choosing when buying an Android phone. No common brand, nothing special. You pick it up like that 0.99 watch at the cash register at WalMart.

    Lumia has changed that. It is a good phone with more hype and can stand it own ground. The very first real Apple competitor. I have worked and used Apple products since 1984, my primary contact nets consist of 2 Apple 4S, 2 iPads and running Apple networks at home. Apple all the way.

    Android can't compete with that. It's a WalMart anonymous brand. It may sell more phones but it will not have the status like Apple. Or... The Lumia. Which is the first very real competition for Apple. Forget the Nexus, One or whatever. They were technical experiments with a very narrow target audience. Lumia on the other hand is something like Apple. Nurture this brand and Apple do have a real competitor.

  50. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is what you said doesn't ring true with most N900 users. So, maybe your wife's N900 genuinely did break without being abused, however it is very solidly built, aside from the micro-usb port issue, and you could at least have said how it broke. The screen, for a phone released late 2009, is very good with a transreflective display that can be used in direct sunlight, of course there are much better displays on many high-end phones today. The keyboard, that is a matter of personal preference, but for something that has to fit in that form-factor, well I like using it, but yes, the paint can wear off the keys, it has on my first N900. And the interface, again a matter of preference, but I think it is better than any other interface I have tried (but I haven't tried Android 3.0+ or WebOS the N9s Meego or Windows Phone, which to be fair is quite a few, but excepting WebOS they weren't around when the N900 was new), although it could have done with more polish.

  51. "200 hundred dollars more" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying the other phones are "200 hundred dollars more" is like someone who says they bought a house for $200k, when after loan interest over 25 years they wound up paying $600k for their house. The required two year plan sticking you with AT&T has to be taken into account in addition to the other factors (single core, older technology, OS without many apps etc.)

    1. Re:"200 hundred dollars more" by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Very true. I'm not in the US so I'm not sure how the market plays out there to individual users. Do they care more about upfront cost, where a 'free on a new plan' is a lot more appealing than a 200 iPhone 4S new plan or the longer term quality of the phone? I'm not even sure what happens to the monthly rate.

      And again, the lumia 900 is positioned as a mid range phone, it is, on price competing with an iPhone 3Gs or an iPhone 4. Which is a really stupid place to try and position yourself in the market, but that's another discussion entirely.

  52. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by danbob999 · · Score: 1

    The only thing they will unify is the name.
    But it will still be two different OS. Windows 8 PC will still need, just like Windows 7, a 10-15GB hard drive partition only for the OS as well as 1 or 2GB RAM. Windows 8 phone will only run on ARM processors, and will be much thinner. It won't run desktop applications (compiled for x86).
    Some application will look similar, but that's it. Don't expect Office to be the same for phone and PCs either.

  53. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can post photos later on of the second N900 she used, with most of the keyboards plastic covering rubbed off through normal usage.

    Dude, buy your poor lady a dildo!

    She does use it a lot tho.

    Maybe you should spare some time for her in bed...

    I can't see what others see in it.

    They see a phone which is at the same time a pocket Linux computer. For other purposes, there are sausages, cucumbers and bananas.

  54. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > should have a quad core phone ...

    Windows Phone 7.x OS is incapable of running on anything other than a single core, it simply does not have the code required to make that happen. Same with resolution, it only works with 800x320 or 320x240. Higher res is not possible.

    It has been indicated that Windows 8 based WOA, and thus allegedly WP8, will _require_ dual core. This will make any WP7.x phone, including the 900, obsolete by the end of the year, or early next year (or the year after).

  55. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by gox · · Score: 1

    The preference between a physical and onscreen keyboard is just that, a preference, most certainly not "matter of fact" one way or the other. I don't prefer one over the other.

    Yeah, nothing can be "better" "as a matter of fact" without an agreed upon metric. I was thinking about the talk about how the new types of touchscreens make it easier to type, etc. Let's say there are potential advantages and disadvantages of a separate mechanical keyboard and leave it at that.

  56. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

    But people didn't buy vista. MS biggest competitor is themselves. Windows 8 will have to compete with windows 7, and I have a feeling a lot of people will be waiting to upgrade to windows 9, and by then they may move to a mac and an iphone. If only we could know the future...

    And ya, windows phones *should* provide a great user experience. OS updates when they're actually released, compatibility with windows apps, full document/calendar/e-mail syncing, all automatically, that sort of thing. Whether they deliver on that I don't know, but I don't think they have the 'vision' yet.

  57. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

    Not quite true. There is a windows 8 for ARM that will be tablets and phones, and Windows x86 (or actually IA64 but whatever), that will be for Intel/AMD chips. Those could be phone, tablet, or desktop.

    They're also streamlining the application development so you hopefully don't have to completely rewrite your application for ARM, it's just setting multiple build targets and off you go.

    How similar that makes office is hard to say. If it really is just setting a new build target everything will just kind of be there, even if it performs differently (which, given how little office does with fancy CPU extensions might not be an issue).

    The space thing presents a real artificially generated problem. It's not hard to get 120GB SSD's these days, or even 60-90GB ones, which, if you put that in a phone sort of negates the problems of space. They could also pull out the old DLL store that has all the old versions of various things, that would certainly shrink things down but who knows. I'd think any sort of Windows 8 device will need 64 gigs of storage, which isn't that bad, but it's hard to say how that would sell in the marketplace.

  58. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    I don't get the "should have a quad core phone" thing. Sure more power is great, but honestly the WP7.5 phones don't suffer the same sluggishness that necessitates the quad core phones for android and to a less extent the iphone. Especially when more powerful seems to come hand in hand with less battery life. Personally I would sacrifise a lot of the power in my smart phone for it to work well but with far better battery life.

  59. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

    But people didn't buy Vista

    That's my point. Vista was a big success, and everybody hated it. It still 'sold' with most new PC's. Nobody actually buys Windows upgrades any more - XP is 'good enough' for most Windows users, and newer OS's have needed beefier machines. So Microsoft's business model is no longer dependent on selling OS upgrades. They make all the Windows revenue they need from the OEM pre-load monopoly. Except for those pesky netbooks, for which they couldn't charge enough while still keeping Linux out of the market. So netbooks are 'no longer popular'. I wonder why...

    All that said, Windows 8 might be a nice tablet system. But Win8 ARM tablets are just gonna be iPads + Office. If they're cheap enough, they may sell. Office may be the tie-breaker for some. The real killer tablet feature, though, will be true multi-user support. Apple and Google better get on the ball with that one, or Win8 really will take over.

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    Posted from my Android phone. Oh, I can change this? There, that's better...
  60. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow, poor butthurt n900 fanboy.

  61. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

    I hope you die an utterly painful death for that HORRENDOUS pun. I had a little vomit in my mouth after reading that one.

    You're welcome :)

  62. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by Jagen · · Score: 1

    Really? The N900 has a squishy resistive touchscreen that is very easily scratched.

  63. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by danbob999 · · Score: 1

    64GB isn't a problem on PCs. But phones still ship with only 16GB. And people expect most of that space to be available for music, movies, etc. Not all reserved by the OS.

    As I said, Windows 8 ARM will be a completely different product that Windows 8 x86.

  64. Re:Goodbye iphone and android! by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    That's sort of the point of the reviews. For the price (and that does count a lot) the Lumia 900 is a decent phone. It struggles to compete with dual core phones which are much more expensive, which is a problem for the windows brand, since the Galaxy Nexus and iPhone 4s are powerful flagship devices, but as a Nokia Phone that isn't going to just be sold to rich people who can afford 500+ dollar phones it's pretty good overall (where I am the Galaxy Nexus and iPhone 4s run 575 and 650 dollars respectively, where the Lumia 900 is about 450).

    Now, overall, given the circumstances I don't think that makes it a great launch. Nokia, or one of the WP7.5 launch partners should have a quad core phone out the door nowish (but then I figured the playstation vita should be a phone as well), and the lumia 900 could be a mid range device. There's a big gap in the user experience between iphone and android in terms of software updates, and it's an area on the PC that MS does surprisingly well at in terms of how updates are delivered and what works/doesn't on them. But MS doesn't seem to have delivered very well, and that's not good for anyone, least of all nokia employees and shareholders.

    My view is that for every $600.00 phone, there are 50 phones of $200 or less being sold. I know around my city, the most popular is the Samsung at between $60 - $80. Not everyone wants a phone to do much more than to have long long battery life, be reliable, last 2-3 years before replacing it or the battery.

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    Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  65. new review : by mininab · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine got a test ride : http://berlinique.jimdo.com/2012/04/06/lumia-900-a-walk-on-the-wild-side/ It does take good photos.

  66. You know because... by moronikos · · Score: 1

    You know because you make LARP costumes in your mother's basement and you use Tandy tools to do it? Hey, I'm not judging....;)

    1. Re:You know because... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      No, I make saddlery, whips (Snake, cow, stock, and bull, no S&M), horse tack, belts, and other braided leather goods.

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      Not a sentence!
  67. Love my new Lumia 900 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a long time iphone user, and I really love my new Nokia Lumia 900 phone. It was easy to use the nokia contact transfer app using blue tooth in a matter of minutes. Also, the speed of 4G LTE is just great. Make note of the noika drive app which is a nice free gps app. I have only had the phone 3 days and I already don't miss the iphone at all. Don't worry about apple they have plenty of sheep, as it is a fad device and will continue to be popular. It is good to have competition, it will push both sides and us the consumer will benefit.