There are other uses for this sort of thing.
The shoesting budget on which it was created ($62M 40M pounds, for those of you across the pond) could have been better spent if the launch was cheaper.
Perhaps holding out hope would have better chances of paying off if they had another million that didn't go into fuel.
I feel that this sort of technology should be given lots of support. Projects like beagle2 define my favorite human drive, the drive to explore and learn. Just beacuse this could kill someone is no reason to dis it.
Steam is not contaminaton.
The "Steam" you see coming out of the top of a nuklear power plant's cooling tower is only a few degrees warmer that the air around it, and a lot more moist. That "Steam" is a man-made CLOUD. Not a cloud full of acid rain either. Its some of the cleanest air and water you can find in the US.
The cloud probobly reflects more heat energy than it gives to the environment. Since nuke plants cant dump heat into water (like coal plants can) by law, the heat would go into the sky. But not much, just enought to take steam and make it water again so that the process can re-boil the water.
Any plant that burns something releases more heat per KWH than a nuke plant of similar size. No contest.
One user mentioned a bandwidth concern, I would like a adress it.
I was working on a project like this, and am now looking into contributing to GNUNet, a similar project. My framework had peers moving data in a similar way as these ants. The way I looked at it was that most of the time I select some files, let them download, and come back later. I'm sure the downloading takes only ten or twentey minues, but I'm at work or busy otherwise. Once I'm done downlaoding my computer just sits there folding. The bandwidth is going un-used!
There is plenty of bandwith sitting idle out there, so long as the ants are clever enough to avoid busy relays noone will really notice the drop in their performance. I think that they would have a similar approach (it seems it would work this way as a concequene of their ant design).
I sincerely hope that one of these true P2P private networks takes off in a big way, till then I will support them in every way I can.
There is a chink in their armor, the forced windows useage and new generations of file shargin under development.
Newer file sharing protocols will be fully encrypted (making traffic mnitoring illegal at best),
Be de-centralized to the point of being pure p2(No big intorduction server to take out, or central company to go after),
Use dynamic ports and protocols that disguise their packets,
Use spoofing, so that noone knows who is getting what file exept the sender and the reciver, and the reciever dosn't know where its coming from, and vice versa,
Spoofing is in a round fassion, with multiple hops, and multiple agents seting up different hops, so the packet round trip is HARD to follow (I know, bandwith is precious, but if you distribute the send across multiple agent chains, this ain't so bad),
And Searching won't reveal who has the file (more spoofing) keeping share-ers annonymous.
This is the basis for something that I'm planing right now, long way off, but these are the keys to the next gen P2P network. Once in the wild, there is no way to take it down. =)
I donate to a webcomic i read and love, and, given the cash, I would donate to more things that I use and love. Giving me more ways to donate may lead to more donations.
I for one welcome our new donation overlords, seriously though 5% aint bad, but it shouldn't be on top of the paypal fees. =/
S'pose I just want to have my executable and the source code too.
It seems the satelites transmit time correction sgnals, not new postion data. The GPS recivers have that data on file.
I think your reading it wrong, positioning data would be a LOT of info to transmit like that. The time correction signals work the same way, just with less data.
Then again, I could be totally wrong. I think its this that your reffering to.
I know for a fact, however, that the satelites do not transmit their full position data to the handsets, there would be no need for the onboard almanac if that were the case.
I did, however, see something on a system that could transmit a more powerfull, focused GPS signal that could defeat jamming, and allow for a better siganl in a small area. Say the size of Iraq, and even better signals in a really small spot, like Bagdahd. I wonder if this is the system being referred to?
with this. The latest and greatest cisco switches and routers have an internal speed switching fabric that runs at 222GB/s. Fast, yes, but this is bare switching. There was another article here a day or so ago (must comment and run, no time to find link) that was talking about using field programable gate arrays to process packets in parallel. It had a top speed of a couple of Gigabits per second. As net traffic increaces this sort of system will be nessary, but untill it can compete with 222GB/s there is no way to implement this, exept on the 'last mile'. For any corporation that deploys a lot of computers, they have HUGE switching stations every so many thousands of computers to get a decent speed. A high latency would mean they would need more of these, and they are expensive to start with. That is not even the word for it. 5" pipes going out in 8 directions full of cat 5. Oh yeah, this tech needs to be cheap enough or fast enough to be deployed on the last mile, or a a higher level. Till then this is a bit to slow and expensive.
PS forgive any horrible errors in spelling or grammer, must go now.
2 stories ago someone said that people should release hacks into the wild so as to avoid being CnD'd based on the DMCA, well how quickly things move here at slashdot.
Keep up the good work underground mafia lords, keep up the good work. Soon DMCA will give way to online security analysts and my future will be stable in the patching business. =)
Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2003-11-10 15:17 EST Host 24.247.212.249.bay.mi.chartermi.net (24.247.212.249) appears to be up... good. Initiating Connect() Scan against 24.247.212.249.bay.mi.chartermi.net (24.247.212.249) at 15:17 Adding open port 5000/tcp (owner: [LL]36851) Adding open port 1025/tcp The Connect() Scan took 14 seconds to scan 1657 ports. For OSScan assuming that port 1025 is open and port 1 is closed and neither are firewalled Interesting ports on 24.247.212.249.bay.mi.chartermi.net (24.247.212.249): (The 1638 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE OWNER 21/tcp filtered ftp 25/tcp filtered smtp 80/tcp filtered http 110/tcp filtered pop-3 119/tcp filtered nntp 135/tcp filtered msrpc 136/tcp filtered profile 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds 593/tcp filtered http-rpc-epmap 1025/tcp open NFS-or-IIS 1080/tcp filtered socks 1434/tcp filtered ms-sql-m 5000/tcp open UPnP [LL]36851 6667/tcp filtered irc 12345/tcp filtered NetBus 12346/tcp filtered NetBus Device type: general purpose Running: Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME|NT/2K/XP OS details: Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me), Windows 2000 Professional or Advanced Server, or Windows XP OS Fingerprint: TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=1D2C%IPID=I%T S=0) T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=FAF0%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=M NWNNT) T2(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S%Flags=AR%Ops=) T3(Resp =Y%DF=Y%W=FAF0%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MNWNNT) T4(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T5(Resp= Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S++%Flags=AR%Ops=) T6(Resp=Y%DF=N% W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T7(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S+ +%Flags=AR%Ops=) PU(Resp=Y%DF=N%TOS=0%IPLEN=38%RI PTL=148%RID=E%RIPC K=F%UCK=F%ULEN=134%DAT=E)
I just wanna know, how do we all pan on migrating the dsktop to linux? We hear someone say the time for linux is now, but what do they mean? Are we going to break into people's houses, install linux, wax the companies that don't make linux drivers, and burn Redmound to the ground? What is the first step on getting linux on the desktop? What is the second? Should we get more hardeware to run? should we get a more user friendly interface?
What is the process, how is to be implented, and by who?
When these questions are answered in a reasonable way, and the first few are out of the way, then linux will begin to take the desktop market. Untill the Redmound has a firm grip on the market. If we want this to happen, we have to make it, not let it.
I suspect that the meatal they are going to be using will be doped with something else, or impure or part of an oughtright compund. Just like "Sodium" in your diet just happens to be bonded to some chlorine. I have no idea how they get away with this sort of thing.
...snif...I hate you, but I can't refute you...
Then again they have ads everywhere, not just here, so I think that/. would be OK w/o M$.
They prob pay a premium for the ad space, s'ok w/ my I just:
echo "127.0.0.1 ads.osdn.com ads.osdn.com" >>/etc/hosts
soI don't gotta see the M$ BS
This is the most posts i'v seen in a while, that aside I wanna throw in my $0.02
So long as I can still Download Red Hat, use the bluecurve gui, and all of the other things that I have gotten used to, I will be A-Okay.
I'm not worried about linux on the desktop any time soon, it will get there. Red Hat will adopt any ideas that lead in that direction if there is profit to be had.
Look at the computer market of old, computers were sold to big companies only, because only the techies could handle the beasts. They were tamed, but at the expence of power. Now Linux is a more powerfull and wild in form, too much for the average user. There needs to be developed a large set of bouncy, stylish, user friendly interfaces for the desktop to happen. These things prob won't be written all at once, but developed one at a time, just like everything else in linux.
Eventually it will happen, in the mean time so long as I can use Red Hat the same way that I allways have, Red Hat can keep makin' money and developing linux farther, and the dream will live on in the rest of the community. I won't give up. Neither should you.
this just creeps me out. A lot of what they had in that article about being tracked, being required to be tracked! That really scares me. I have nothing to hide, but I do have privacy. That is important to me. I have no idea why it is not fair to tax the gas, but it would be fair to tax actual useage! A small, light car that does not damage the road has an automatic advantage over the gas guzling Stupid Utility Vehicles, why bother to make this more complex? It's hard to get around a gas tax, but getting around an electronic tax like this could be trivial, as soon as someone figures a blocking signal {poof} no more tracking.
I'm not sure about you guys, but I'm going to be spending a lot more on tinfoil the way things are going.
I wonder how far away those buggers can be read from? not more than a few meters, I think, so if there is a person 'tracking' you with them, they can probobly see you. Also if there is a way to turn these thing off (or destroy them for items like clothes or furniture) or a way to block the readers if there is a network of readers to fear the geek community will find it.
I once got a forwarded e-mail that was laiden with e-mails. I collected, sorted, and formated the list. I wrote an anti-forward e-mail and used an e-mail server to send out 3000 e-mails in about 30 minutes. No cost to me, except for bandwidth. I cannot believe that the cost of spam is high, so if even a few hundred have bought spam items (shame on them), they have more than re-capped/their money's worth.
I remember when a particle colider that generated 10MB of data was a beast, and a usefull particle colider could be built to fit and run on a tabletop. Now this beast is online, discovering new particles and whole new laws of physics, but my microwave still takes 30 sec to heat up my leftovers on High! Where is my particle accelerator, bacteria killing, INSTANT (300ms) Nuke-ro-wave! Is that to much to ask?
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There are other uses for this sort of thing.
The shoesting budget on which it was created ($62M 40M pounds, for those of you across the pond) could have been better spent if the launch was cheaper.
Perhaps holding out hope would have better chances of paying off if they had another million that didn't go into fuel.
I feel that this sort of technology should be given lots of support. Projects like beagle2 define my favorite human drive, the drive to explore and learn. Just beacuse this could kill someone is no reason to dis it.
I like the sig. I LIKE the sig. Right up there w/ "RUPERT". =). Need one like that of my own.
Steam is not contaminaton.
The "Steam" you see coming out of the top of a nuklear power plant's cooling tower is only a few degrees warmer that the air around it, and a lot more moist. That "Steam" is a man-made CLOUD. Not a cloud full of acid rain either. Its some of the cleanest air and water you can find in the US.
The cloud probobly reflects more heat energy than it gives to the environment. Since nuke plants cant dump heat into water (like coal plants can) by law, the heat would go into the sky. But not much, just enought to take steam and make it water again so that the process can re-boil the water.
Any plant that burns something releases more heat per KWH than a nuke plant of similar size. No contest.
One user mentioned a bandwidth concern, I would like a adress it.
I was working on a project like this, and am now looking into contributing to GNUNet, a similar project. My framework had peers moving data in a similar way as these ants. The way I looked at it was that most of the time I select some files, let them download, and come back later. I'm sure the downloading takes only ten or twentey minues, but I'm at work or busy otherwise. Once I'm done downlaoding my computer just sits there folding. The bandwidth is going un-used!
There is plenty of bandwith sitting idle out there, so long as the ants are clever enough to avoid busy relays noone will really notice the drop in their performance. I think that they would have a similar approach (it seems it would work this way as a concequene of their ant design).
I sincerely hope that one of these true P2P private networks takes off in a big way, till then I will support them in every way I can.
Thanks for the link, I'll see what I can do to help their project.
There is a chink in their armor, the forced windows useage and new generations of file shargin under development.
Newer file sharing protocols will be fully encrypted (making traffic mnitoring illegal at best),
Be de-centralized to the point of being pure p2(No big intorduction server to take out, or central company to go after),
Use dynamic ports and protocols that disguise their packets,
Use spoofing, so that noone knows who is getting what file exept the sender and the reciver, and the reciever dosn't know where its coming from, and vice versa,
Spoofing is in a round fassion, with multiple hops, and multiple agents seting up different hops, so the packet round trip is HARD to follow (I know, bandwith is precious, but if you distribute the send across multiple agent chains, this ain't so bad),
And Searching won't reveal who has the file (more spoofing) keeping share-ers annonymous.
This is the basis for something that I'm planing right now, long way off, but these are the keys to the next gen P2P network. Once in the wild, there is no way to take it down. =)
I hope such a system sees the light of day.
I donate to a webcomic i read and love, and, given the cash, I would donate to more things that I use and love. Giving me more ways to donate may lead to more donations.
I for one welcome our new donation overlords, seriously though 5% aint bad, but it shouldn't be on top of the paypal fees. =/
S'pose I just want to have my executable and the source code too.
It seems the satelites transmit time correction sgnals, not new postion data. The GPS recivers have that data on file.
I think your reading it wrong, positioning data would be a LOT of info to transmit like that. The time correction signals work the same way, just with less data.
Then again, I could be totally wrong. I think its this that your reffering to.
I know for a fact, however, that the satelites do not transmit their full position data to the handsets, there would be no need for the onboard almanac if that were the case.
I did, however, see something on a system that could transmit a more powerfull, focused GPS signal that could defeat jamming, and allow for a better siganl in a small area. Say the size of Iraq, and even better signals in a really small spot, like Bagdahd. I wonder if this is the system being referred to?
How?
GPS works because the handsets know exactly where the satelites are, and exactly what time it is, and the precise timing of the signals.
They even have to take into account general relativity due to time dialation.
So how could the satelites be moved without them being useless?
dignified?!?!?!?!!!!
Everyone knows D.N.A. was about 6'6" and a bit over 110Kg and had a bit of a bad heart. Why is this guy special!?
Where is the D.N.A. bobble head!?
with this. The latest and greatest cisco switches and routers have an internal speed switching fabric that runs at 222GB/s. Fast, yes, but this is bare switching. There was another article here a day or so ago (must comment and run, no time to find link) that was talking about using field programable gate arrays to process packets in parallel. It had a top speed of a couple of Gigabits per second. As net traffic increaces this sort of system will be nessary, but untill it can compete with 222GB/s there is no way to implement this, exept on the 'last mile'. For any corporation that deploys a lot of computers, they have HUGE switching stations every so many thousands of computers to get a decent speed. A high latency would mean they would need more of these, and they are expensive to start with. That is not even the word for it. 5" pipes going out in 8 directions full of cat 5. Oh yeah, this tech needs to be cheap enough or fast enough to be deployed on the last mile, or a a higher level. Till then this is a bit to slow and expensive. PS forgive any horrible errors in spelling or grammer, must go now.
Who, exactly, are they preaching to?
Does anyone but a geek or a girlfriend of a geek know what, exactly, free, opensource software is?
I'm really serious, who is listening to this besides us? Who is taking it seriously(shudder)?
2 stories ago someone said that people should release hacks into the wild so as to avoid being CnD'd based on the DMCA, well how quickly things move here at slashdot.
Keep up the good work underground mafia lords, keep up the good work. Soon DMCA will give way to online security analysts and my future will be stable in the patching business.
=)
Marvin
Welcome our new virus overlords!
... good.T S=0)M NWNNT) p =Y%DF=Y%W=FAF0%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MNWNNT) = Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S++%Flags=AR%Ops=)% W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=)+ +%Flags=AR%Ops=)I PTL=148%RID=E%RIPC K=F%UCK=F%ULEN=134%DAT=E)
nmap -sT -v -v -I -O 24.247.212.249
Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2003-11-10 15:17 EST
Host 24.247.212.249.bay.mi.chartermi.net (24.247.212.249) appears to be up
Initiating Connect() Scan against 24.247.212.249.bay.mi.chartermi.net (24.247.212.249) at 15:17
Adding open port 5000/tcp (owner: [LL]36851)
Adding open port 1025/tcp
The Connect() Scan took 14 seconds to scan 1657 ports.
For OSScan assuming that port 1025 is open and port 1 is closed and neither are
firewalled
Interesting ports on 24.247.212.249.bay.mi.chartermi.net (24.247.212.249):
(The 1638 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
PORT STATE SERVICE OWNER
21/tcp filtered ftp
25/tcp filtered smtp
80/tcp filtered http
110/tcp filtered pop-3
119/tcp filtered nntp
135/tcp filtered msrpc
136/tcp filtered profile
137/tcp filtered netbios-ns
138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm
139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn
445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds
593/tcp filtered http-rpc-epmap
1025/tcp open NFS-or-IIS
1080/tcp filtered socks
1434/tcp filtered ms-sql-m
5000/tcp open UPnP [LL]36851
6667/tcp filtered irc
12345/tcp filtered NetBus
12346/tcp filtered NetBus
Device type: general purpose
Running: Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME|NT/2K/XP
OS details: Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me), Windows 2000 Professional or Advanced Server, or Windows XP
OS Fingerprint:
TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=1D2C%IPID=I%
T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=FAF0%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=
T2(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S%Flags=AR%Ops=)
T3(Res
T4(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=)
T5(Resp
T6(Resp=Y%DF=N
T7(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S
PU(Resp=Y%DF=N%TOS=0%IPLEN=38%R
TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments
Difficulty=7468 (Worthy challenge)
TCP ISN Seq. Numbers: A30AF98A A30C5B20 A30DB6FF A30F4B7B A310E563 A3123C5D
IPID Sequence Generation: Incremental
Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 16.341 seconds
I just wanna know, how do we all pan on migrating the dsktop to linux? We hear someone say the time for linux is now, but what do they mean? Are we going to break into people's houses, install linux, wax the companies that don't make linux drivers, and burn Redmound to the ground?
What is the first step on getting linux on the desktop? What is the second?
Should we get more hardeware to run?
should we get a more user friendly interface?
What is the process, how is to be implented, and by who?
When these questions are answered in a reasonable way, and the first few are out of the way, then linux will begin to take the desktop market. Untill the Redmound has a firm grip on the market. If we want this to happen, we have to make it, not let it.
I suspect that the meatal they are going to be using will be doped with something else, or impure or part of an oughtright compund. Just like "Sodium" in your diet just happens to be bonded to some chlorine. I have no idea how they get away with this sort of thing.
you sir have earned your mod points.
I feel like a better person having read that, bravo.
...snif...I hate you, but I can't refute you... Then again they have ads everywhere, not just here, so I think that /. would be OK w/o M$.
They prob pay a premium for the ad space, s'ok w/ my I just:
echo "127.0.0.1 ads.osdn.com ads.osdn.com" >> /etc/hosts
soI don't gotta see the M$ BS
This is the most posts i'v seen in a while, that aside I wanna throw in my $0.02
So long as I can still Download Red Hat, use the bluecurve gui, and all of the other things that I have gotten used to, I will be A-Okay.
I'm not worried about linux on the desktop any time soon, it will get there. Red Hat will adopt any ideas that lead in that direction if there is profit to be had.
Look at the computer market of old, computers were sold to big companies only, because only the techies could handle the beasts. They were tamed, but at the expence of power. Now Linux is a more powerfull and wild in form, too much for the average user. There needs to be developed a large set of bouncy, stylish, user friendly interfaces for the desktop to happen. These things prob won't be written all at once, but developed one at a time, just like everything else in linux.
Eventually it will happen, in the mean time so long as I can use Red Hat the same way that I allways have, Red Hat can keep makin' money and developing linux farther, and the dream will live on in the rest of the community. I won't give up. Neither should you.
PS:
WTF RH, uR n07 3l33t, fu&&1n n00bs, h4t3 U!
this just creeps me out. A lot of what they had in that article about being tracked, being required to be tracked! That really scares me. I have nothing to hide, but I do have privacy. That is important to me. I have no idea why it is not fair to tax the gas, but it would be fair to tax actual useage! A small, light car that does not damage the road has an automatic advantage over the gas guzling Stupid Utility Vehicles, why bother to make this more complex? It's hard to get around a gas tax, but getting around an electronic tax like this could be trivial, as soon as someone figures a blocking signal {poof} no more tracking. I'm not sure about you guys, but I'm going to be spending a lot more on tinfoil the way things are going.
I wonder how far away those buggers can be read from? not more than a few meters, I think, so if there is a person 'tracking' you with them, they can probobly see you. Also if there is a way to turn these thing off (or destroy them for items like clothes or furniture) or a way to block the readers if there is a network of readers to fear the geek community will find it.
am I the only one who read pre1 as perl spelled rather poorly?
I once got a forwarded e-mail that was laiden with e-mails. I collected, sorted, and formated the list. I wrote an anti-forward e-mail and used an e-mail server to send out 3000 e-mails in about 30 minutes. No cost to me, except for bandwidth. I cannot believe that the cost of spam is high, so if even a few hundred have bought spam items (shame on them), they have more than re-capped /their money's worth.
I remember when a particle colider that generated 10MB of data was a beast, and a usefull particle colider could be built to fit and run on a tabletop. Now this beast is online, discovering new particles and whole new laws of physics, but my microwave still takes 30 sec to heat up my leftovers on High! Where is my particle accelerator, bacteria killing, INSTANT (300ms) Nuke-ro-wave! Is that to much to ask?