Ah, I should maybe be a little clearer. I am in NC. Specifically, I am in RTP where Nextel did their high speed wireless roll out. So, you can get faster speeds with their wireless card than cable modem... especially if you are in (apparently) the middle of the lake on a boat.:)
a) it would be better to go with Nextel for a wireless data service.
b) it would be better to go with AT&T/Cingular for a Bluetooth feature enabled phone selection.
Verizon gets Moto to give them phones but there is no guarantee who is responsible for the software running on the phone. I get the full impact of this approach when I use my phone today. When I can actually -use- the phone that is.
Sadly, the current phone I use (Moto T720C) just reboots and has general software issues because I actually try to use the features of the phone. It all started when I did my first iSync. After that, it is very common to just have the phone reboot after reading a text message and the battery life is horrible. That said, if I just used the unit as a phone it is reliable.
Verizon has swapped out hardware numerous times since it was considered to be a case of bad hardware. Right. Sure. Then when the 5p software load is on the new hardware it still chokes the phone. I would say it is just silly but I actually use my phone for work.
Finally, I got a rep to admit that Verizon let Moto outsource the software for the T720c and if you try to get one now most reps won't even let you get the T720c if you beg for it. Too many problems.
I was looking at going to the V710 but now I am leaning towards other options like the LG phones since the Bluetooth on the V710 is not fully baked and may never be.
I guess Verizon is the choice if -all- you want to do is make phone calls.
Exactly where is this list of "known large email servers"? If someone can explain where or how such a list is generated I would be delighted to see it.
IronPort already had every right to use SpamCop's blacklist BEFORE they bought them. The investment by IronPort keeps the lights on at SpamCop. SpamCop is a valuable service for all involved.
You also need to check your facts on what they actually make. Delivery is only part of their business. They make gateway appliances as well. It's not like they just crank out spam boxes.
Also, why would someone buy a spam box when you could likely build tons for much much less?
Tell ya what... you should link (for everyone here) to the pile of these evil IronPort devices from a spammer raid done by some Att. General.
We'll be waiting for the shots of the WMUCE (weapons of mass UCE).
these statistics aren't terribly optimistic ?
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It's probably not obvious (see also: article on/.) but those stats are voluntary ones based on people that -might- have read the mailing list that -might- have put something into a web form.
Yes. Still, it is possible to run inside VMware instances (very much not ideal) if you need to encapsulate or stagger testing servers across a small subnet to ensure portability of a test scenario across different source IP access for the virtual user block.
Disclaimer: The company I work for is a very happy WebPerformance Inc. customer.
I've used Mercury products for unit testing, full out scaling tests, monitoring, and defect tracking for over three years. The problem was the total cost of a Mercury load test bed. It gets expensive rather quickly unless you have planned in advance or do a lot of Mercury work. If you don't it makes more sense to hire a consultant that has an open license arrangement. That way you only pay for when you use it. YMMV.
So, I looked into some other alternatives and ended up going to unit test applications from the Apache group and home grown benchmarks to approximate load scenarios.
Eventually, I ended up looking into OpenSTA OpenSTA and was fortunate enough to work with some real experts that did a lot of load testing work with OpenSTA. There are some limitations to the OpenSTA *cough* Windows only *cough* but overall it is an excellent tool for driving load for a complex web application. Much like Mercury or any load testing tool the test is only as good as the planning and analysis you perform to isolate performance issues.
My most recent job called for load testing but in that time Mercury changed their license program again and we really wanted to use something that would run on Linux. So, OpenSTA was not really in the running. Also, we needed to simulate multiple IP addresses not just hundreds of virtual users from a single source address. (fine for simulations of a access from a corporate firewall). So, I had to find something that would work and that wouldn't blow our budget.
I checked back with a company called WebPerformance Inc. Now, I looked into a few years ago to see if they supported IP spoofing for virtual users and SSL. They had done SSL but the IP spoofing wasn't done.
As it turns out, they put this feature into their 2.6 release. We use it to run our large tests for burn in and acceptance for revisions to our network hardware that provides web interface. Like Mercury, you can really ramp up serious traffic. Couple this with basic network load generation and you can create a sound simulation of network throughput and application access from multiple network addresses with mulitple users and multiple business cases. Oh, and the fact that you can get a price list that is straight forward is very nice.
So, I'd say each is right for a certain type of test and a certain type of shop. For our shop, Mercury is cost prohibitive, OpenSTA lacks a key feature (IP Spoofing), and WebPerformance, Inc -- while commercial -- satifies our feature requirements near perfectly.
If you look here you will see that others are starting to realize what was not mentioned or covered by CIO magazine. Everyone that is a CIO reader should comment and add to the thread.
Features: web interface, users/groups, upload, drag and drop, email notifications, revisions, workspaces, delegation, etc....
I put up BSCW at a past job with a team about the same size as yours. It was okay but making sure people could get to it was the main issue. i.e. this was back when getting folks to use a web browser was a chore;)
You can tweek it a great deal and there are drag and drop "goodies" utilities for the form upload challenged.
If you want to play with code that is already open you might try Livejournal. LJ has already passed the 100,000 account mark.
The creator of Livejournal and his team opened up the source a short while ago. So, if you don't want to use Blogger that's fine but if you want to use something or install it yourself or help a project built on perl... check out LJ.
I have been using LJ for over a year now. I have tried Blogger as well. I just didn't like the flow of Blogger and I really missed having comments. Comments and a security model are half the fun of Livejournal.
Livejournal let's you see things like stats pages showing how much the site has grown over time. I wonder why/. never had one of these listed? Or did they?
/. folks would probably like some of the information you get from the lj_dev group. It isn't just LJ specific information but it talks about scaling the site and how to improve on the servers that run it currently.
Eh? Why would a PHB be worried about Linus? For that matter why would a PHB be concerned with the future beyond the next 30/60/90 plan?
I guess I don't understand how a PHB would be able to develop concern over a "kernel" or even comprehend the concept of a "kernel" developer comment.
I think it more likely that a PHB would be sold on a distribution (and for lack of a better example) like RH4.2 Then he was sold on 5.2... then 6.2... and maybe just maybe on 7.0
Just tell him that you will be running 7.2 "soon" and not to worry about the 2.4 since it easier to keep up with the distribution numbers.
I expect that all vendors will move to the Sun-esque single rev numbers like 7, 8, 9, 10 etc... which is perfect for PHB's. You can hold up fingers to show what you are running. They like that.
So, the only thing "fluffy" is, perhaps, you calling someone concerned with kernel development comments (from a leader of kernel development) a PHB.
... now I will have to shave and actually wear clothes before I am on a call. It isn't enough to accept my skills as being good enough for remote support without a face.
No.
Now I have to look like I am in the office and clean up around me. Gone are the conference calls from the bathroom. Facial expressions will prevent you from rolling your eyes when you want to say something but can't say it. This raises the poker stakes even higher for making calls. Then again you could make really interesting gestures over the phone or do gang lang signing for others on the conference call. Let's see... you could even show your lack of ethusiasm by pointing the phone at a wall... or have little post it notes with different smiley faces tacked to a peg board that you could swivel between during conversation.
Just thinking out loud... but I don't think this is something that will be as pervasive as we think.
When I got to NCSU in 1990... our department had a bunch of Mac's and a Vax. Why? Well, the materials engineering department and the uni had never seen eye to eye and the computing resources never really caught on with the older prof's in the dept. Slowly there was a movement to what the uni offered the individual departments in engineering... this was EOS.
EOS? It was Dec 2100's runing Ultrix... then there were some PAMs (math school) machines that were RS6000's and the Sun IPX's... then there were the HP's... oh.. then the Dec 5000's that showed up with color... oh... then the first EOS Sun's showed up... oh then the NT showed up... all of this stuff was connected via AFS and the file servers were Dec 3100's or better boxes... oh and then there was the smattering of Alphas around campus. Dialup was always interesting... eventually you could even ssh into campus vs. telnet...
But now there will be Red Hat. Hmm. RH was already connected via resnet. Also, when the PC price drops happened you could have more firepower in your room connected than by going to the uni computer rooms.
I still think that uni's will always have a hard time maintaining a bleeding edge on the hardware side of things. *shrug*
Eventually having a computer when you come to school will be like having a phone was when I went there. The uni will provide a phone jack and a data jack (or maybe the same thing). However, I remember how much trouble it was just to bring cable tv into dorms let alone data access.
Red Hat, Solaris, HPUX, AIX, MacOS, NT... whatever...
Now, if there is something that gives back perks to the university like being able to have grad students working at Red Hat and on projects that have real world value that would be even better. Let's see if that happens.
Oh, and if RH can spring for some rug cleaner to get the smell out of lez100 that would be really cool too.
Well, if they are anything like me then they set their filters on high. So, your post would never be seen. My guess is that it's quite doubtful.
If/. is some vehicle for opening light to anyone then there are more serious issues.
Also, isn't this kind of tired from a newsworthy standpoint? I would also find it interesting if the chap in bama was to disclose how many domains he has registered.
The material girl just got her domain name secured. I think she has a right to it even if she wasn't first. It was held by an individual squatter. He had porn up on it for a while according to the articles I read.
This whole internet i was here first attitude just makes me want to puke. Also, if you are filling out a form on any web page and their is profit involved you can be sure someone is looking at the data and collecting/sorting/priortizing it for sale somewhere else.
I wonder if places like domainsurfer.com and such offer a service so that you can buy lists of the top 1000 searched terms. There would be someone out there that would want this just to aid in speculation I am sure.
Also, the dot com people aren't exactly known for their attention to detail so the conspriracy theorists aren't convincing me of an evil plot just yet.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I am in RTP, NC. We are the trial area for Nextel high speed wireless. It's faster than cable modem speeds.
Ah, I should maybe be a little clearer. I am in NC. Specifically, I am in RTP where Nextel did their high speed wireless roll out. So, you can get faster speeds with their wireless card than cable modem... especially if you are in (apparently) the middle of the lake on a boat. :)
Ahh... but does the LG have the option of letting you open the phone and -not- have it answer the call?
That's good to know! That's the exact model I had my eyes on actually. :)
I find that
a) it would be better to go with Nextel for a wireless data service.
b) it would be better to go with AT&T/Cingular for a Bluetooth feature enabled phone selection.
Verizon gets Moto to give them phones but there is no guarantee who is responsible for the software running on the phone. I get the full impact of this approach when I use my phone today. When I can actually -use- the phone that is.
Sadly, the current phone I use (Moto T720C) just reboots and has general software issues because I actually try to use the features of the phone. It all started when I did my first iSync. After that, it is very common to just have the phone reboot after reading a text message and the battery life is horrible. That said, if I just used the unit as a phone it is reliable.
Verizon has swapped out hardware numerous times since it was considered to be a case of bad hardware. Right. Sure. Then when the 5p software load is on the new hardware it still chokes the phone. I would say it is just silly but I actually use my phone for work.
Finally, I got a rep to admit that Verizon let Moto outsource the software for the T720c and if you try to get one now most reps won't even let you get the T720c if you beg for it. Too many problems.
I was looking at going to the V710 but now I am leaning towards other options like the LG phones since the Bluetooth on the V710 is not fully baked and may never be.
I guess Verizon is the choice if -all- you want to do is make phone calls.
Hah! Thanks.
Yes, I should have been more specific. I was expecting they had a massive listing of known "legitimate" servers worldwide.
Whitelisting known large email servers would seem like a rather daunting task.
Exactly where is this list of "known large email servers"? If someone can explain where or how such a list is generated I would be delighted to see it.
> Show me a Unix system that doesn't use /etc/aliases!
/etc/aliases?
/etc/aliases is so pervasive as to require an atypical example.
What exactly is your point here? Are you assuming that all Unix systems have an installed a) MTA that relies on b)
I don't see how a) or b) are a requirement for servers.
Also, if you did have a system with a) and b) in action why would it require that any message leave a fixed domain or internal routing list?
This isn't meant to bang on your statement as much as to learn why you feel that
*bzzzzzt*
No. Take off your tin hat.
IronPort already had every right to use SpamCop's blacklist BEFORE they bought them. The investment by IronPort keeps the lights on at SpamCop. SpamCop is a valuable service for all involved.
You also need to check your facts on what they actually make. Delivery is only part of their business. They make gateway appliances as well. It's not like they just crank out spam boxes.
Also, why would someone buy a spam box when you could likely build tons for much much less?
Tell ya what... you should link (for everyone here) to the pile of these evil IronPort devices from a spammer raid done by some Att. General.
We'll be waiting for the shots of the WMUCE (weapons of mass UCE).
It's probably not obvious (see also: article on /.) but those stats are voluntary ones based on people that -might- have read the mailing list that -might- have put something into a web form.
It is certainly not exhaustive.
errr... looks like that article moved
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Uhm...
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This came up before on
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=99/12/25/1428
Has anything really changed since then?
Yes. Still, it is possible to run inside VMware instances (very much not ideal) if you need to encapsulate or stagger testing servers across a small subnet to ensure portability of a test scenario across different source IP access for the virtual user block.
:)
It's not impossible just slightly cumbersome.
OpenSTA is great (and free!) software. The fact that it is on SourceForge is an added bonus.
I've used Mercury products for unit testing, full out scaling tests, monitoring, and defect tracking for over three years. The problem was the total cost of a Mercury load test bed. It gets expensive rather quickly unless you have planned in advance or do a lot of Mercury work. If you don't it makes more sense to hire a consultant that has an open license arrangement. That way you only pay for when you use it. YMMV.
So, I looked into some other alternatives and ended up going to unit test applications from the Apache group and home grown benchmarks to approximate load scenarios.
Eventually, I ended up looking into OpenSTA OpenSTA and was fortunate enough to work with some real experts that did a lot of load testing work with OpenSTA. There are some limitations to the OpenSTA *cough* Windows only *cough* but overall it is an excellent tool for driving load for a complex web application. Much like Mercury or any load testing tool the test is only as good as the planning and analysis you perform to isolate performance issues.
My most recent job called for load testing but in that time Mercury changed their license program again and we really wanted to use something that would run on Linux. So, OpenSTA was not really in the running. Also, we needed to simulate multiple IP addresses not just hundreds of virtual users from a single source address. (fine for simulations of a access from a corporate firewall). So, I had to find something that would work and that wouldn't blow our budget.
I checked back with a company called WebPerformance Inc. Now, I looked into a few years ago to see if they supported IP spoofing for virtual users and SSL. They had done SSL but the IP spoofing wasn't done.
As it turns out, they put this feature into their 2.6 release. We use it to run our large tests for burn in and acceptance for revisions to our network hardware that provides web interface. Like Mercury, you can really ramp up serious traffic. Couple this with basic network load generation and you can create a sound simulation of network throughput and application access from multiple network addresses with mulitple users and multiple business cases. Oh, and the fact that you can get a price list that is straight forward is very nice.
So, I'd say each is right for a certain type of test and a certain type of shop. For our shop, Mercury is cost prohibitive, OpenSTA lacks a key feature (IP Spoofing), and WebPerformance, Inc -- while commercial -- satifies our feature requirements near perfectly.
If you look here you will see that others are starting to realize what was not mentioned or covered by CIO magazine. Everyone that is a CIO reader should comment and add to the thread.
I would suggest you take a look at BSCW.
Features: web interface, users/groups, upload, drag and drop, email notifications, revisions, workspaces, delegation, etc....
I put up BSCW at a past job with a team about the same size as yours. It was okay but making sure people could get to it was the main issue. i.e. this was back when getting folks to use a web browser was a chore ;)
You can tweek it a great deal and there are drag and drop "goodies" utilities for the form upload challenged.
-Jay
Just make sure you have lots of Old Bay, a hammer, and lots of paper towels on hand and you will be fine.
What is a Livejournal troller? Is that like a trollop?
Oh, you mean those things I leave off in my preferences? ;)
The creator of Livejournal and his team opened up the source a short while ago. So, if you don't want to use Blogger that's fine but if you want to use something or install it yourself or help a project built on perl... check out LJ.
I have been using LJ for over a year now. I have tried Blogger as well. I just didn't like the flow of Blogger and I really missed having comments. Comments and a security model are half the fun of Livejournal.
Livejournal let's you see things like stats pages showing how much the site has grown over time. I wonder why /. never had one of these listed? Or did they?
-Jay
Eh? Why would a PHB be worried about Linus? For that matter why would a PHB be concerned with the future beyond the next 30/60/90 plan?
I guess I don't understand how a PHB would be able to develop concern over a "kernel" or even comprehend the concept of a "kernel" developer comment.
I think it more likely that a PHB would be sold on a distribution (and for lack of a better example) like RH4.2 Then he was sold on 5.2... then 6.2... and maybe just maybe on 7.0
Just tell him that you will be running 7.2 "soon" and not to worry about the 2.4 since it easier to keep up with the distribution numbers.
I expect that all vendors will move to the Sun-esque single rev numbers like 7, 8, 9, 10 etc... which is perfect for PHB's. You can hold up fingers to show what you are running. They like that.
So, the only thing "fluffy" is, perhaps, you calling someone concerned with kernel development comments (from a leader of kernel development) a PHB.
:)
No.
Now I have to look like I am in the office and clean up around me. Gone are the conference calls from the bathroom. Facial expressions will prevent you from rolling your eyes when you want to say something but can't say it. This raises the poker stakes even higher for making calls. Then again you could make really interesting gestures over the phone or do gang lang signing for others on the conference call. Let's see... you could even show your lack of ethusiasm by pointing the phone at a wall... or have little post it notes with different smiley faces tacked to a peg board that you could swivel between during conversation.
Just thinking out loud... but I don't think this is something that will be as pervasive as we think.
EOS? It was Dec 2100's runing Ultrix... then there were some PAMs (math school) machines that were RS6000's and the Sun IPX's... then there were the HP's... oh.. then the Dec 5000's that showed up with color... oh... then the first EOS Sun's showed up... oh then the NT showed up... all of this stuff was connected via AFS and the file servers were Dec 3100's or better boxes... oh and then there was the smattering of Alphas around campus. Dialup was always interesting... eventually you could even ssh into campus vs. telnet...
But now there will be Red Hat. Hmm. RH was already connected via resnet. Also, when the PC price drops happened you could have more firepower in your room connected than by going to the uni computer rooms.
I still think that uni's will always have a hard time maintaining a bleeding edge on the hardware side of things. *shrug*
Eventually having a computer when you come to school will be like having a phone was when I went there. The uni will provide a phone jack and a data jack (or maybe the same thing). However, I remember how much trouble it was just to bring cable tv into dorms let alone data access.
Red Hat, Solaris, HPUX, AIX, MacOS, NT... whatever...
Now, if there is something that gives back perks to the university like being able to have grad students working at Red Hat and on projects that have real world value that would be even better. Let's see if that happens.
Oh, and if RH can spring for some rug cleaner to get the smell out of lez100 that would be really cool too.
If /. is some vehicle for opening light to anyone then there are more serious issues.
Also, isn't this kind of tired from a newsworthy standpoint? I would also find it interesting if the chap in bama was to disclose how many domains he has registered.
The material girl just got her domain name secured. I think she has a right to it even if she wasn't first. It was held by an individual squatter. He had porn up on it for a while according to the articles I read.
This whole internet i was here first attitude just makes me want to puke. Also, if you are filling out a form on any web page and their is profit involved you can be sure someone is looking at the data and collecting/sorting/priortizing it for sale somewhere else.
I wonder if places like domainsurfer.com and such offer a service so that you can buy lists of the top 1000 searched terms. There would be someone out there that would want this just to aid in speculation I am sure.
Also, the dot com people aren't exactly known for their attention to detail so the conspriracy theorists aren't convincing me of an evil plot just yet.