Yes, Mexico's economy has been growing much faster than the rest of North America. But, no, I do not listen to Mitt Romney, though I have heard he is really an illegal Mexican immigrant.
> Please don't take it personally, but if you can never meet a top talent foreign worker at your job, doesn't that just mean you're on the same level with them?
I assume you're missing a "not" in this sentence. But actually I am a CS PhD myself...
> I'm earning more than 300K annually now.
Where? I'd like to apply!
> To say I stole job from local workers?
I didn't say that.
> As for the "fake" job ads, I would say the PERM ads are indeed intentionally worded in the way that only the specific person can qualify.
But that's the point -- the H1B program was intended to supply talented people for which there are none in the US--not to first find a foreign national you want to hire and then justify it under H1B.
> That's the market equilibrium resulted from unfair government regulations. It doesn't mean that foreign workers are happy to do the same job at a lower salary. We are not that dumb okay?
Yes, the H1B program functions like indentured servitude and is in this and many other ways unfair to the H1B holder/applicant. Nobody said you were dumb.
> Everytime I see an article like this, I always think don't you have any shame? Foreign workers are already much harder to find a job than citizens. Just like what I say, we need to do the labor certificate crap to get a work visa and do the PERM if we want a green card, and the company needs to pay thousands in fees. Not to mention that we also have to pay for social security tax that we simply can't get any benefit from.
I'm sorry but it's not the US' responsibility to provide employment for foreign nationals. And yes, under H1B you can very easily become a permanent resident/citizen and retire here receiving full social security benefits. Don't count on it however, none of us citizens are...
> Now you're saying that we stole jobs from you? Just tell me how incompetent you are?
Did I say this? Whatever happened to "Please don't take it personally"...?
> Oh and by the way. Most of what I earn I end up spending in the US for menial things, like foot, lodging, etc.
So you admit to trafficking in human body parts...
> I also pay taxes, all of them, because I'm afraid I'll be kicked out of the country if I don't.
Which ones are optional?
>For the same reason I try to abide by all laws and regulations. I don't even speed.
And you admit to clogging up our freeways!
> Now, what I don't understand is why so few Americans work in the IT sector. It only takes a master to be offered a 100k+/year position. I understand I come from a poorer country, but is that kind of money really so laughable?
You don't need a Masters degree to make over $100k. Not at all...
People make life choices based upon things other than money. I could probably triple my salary if I got an MBA and took advantage of the opportunities that enables. I turned down and opportunity to make 2.5 times my current salary because it would've meant moving to NYC and never seeing my family. This is not how I want to spend my life.
> I was never paid less than my American co-workers.
How did you know? Did you compare paychecks?
> It cost my employer(s) plenty to handle my legal immigration expenses.
It usually costs about $5,000.00 for lawyers to come up with enough faked information to get an H1B approved. (Not suggesting your situation is fraudulent.) However at a $10k *yearly* savings in salary (or $15k in real dollar costs), over the five years of servitude before getting a green card, that's a pretty good investment.
> H1-Bs can port their work visa to other employers
Yes, this was a big improvement. Before this the employers held virtual lock on H1B holders and yes, I've seen employers abuse that. Even threaten H1B holders... I've never held anything against H1B holders personally, individually or even as a group--they are doing what's best for themselves (I have even worked overseas myself). There are many pitfalls to being H1B, beyond the aforementioned indentured servitude...
> I am an employer myself, having a nanny to help care for my (American) son.
Be careful, you don't want the xenophobic type bringing out the insulting term "anchor baby".
Even if I really believed you, you weren't an Anonymous Coward, I still wouldn't have met you, you don't even claim to possess a unique skill not available in any US citizen, and my anecdotal personal experiences were not intended as proof of anything. I'm sure there are at least several H1Bs who actually fit the concept intended, but the vast majority are not here on those grounds. I think the only ones fooled by this program are sitting in Congress...
Does Canada plan on running up huge deficits they plan to pay for while a currency devaluation? If so, who's the one with the monopoly money? Otherwise your Greece/Germany scenario doesn't make much sense, and even if it did, it would still apply to Manitoba vs. Canada as a whole...
I would support joining our friends to the north in an free/open labor market à la the European Union. Hell, even a common currency. We have similar economies, education, labor markets, etc. There wouldn't be any flood of canucks southward, or yanks northward. I would even support this with our friends to the south, once their economy is on par with US/Canada.
I have worked in the software industry since 1984. Not once did I meet an H1-B who was MS, PhD, or other top talent. Every single one of them has been ordinary software engineering jobs. I have witnessed how companies make fake jobs ads that cater to the specific person, and HR admitting they automatically pay H1Bs $10k less because they can...
Outside of the fact that.wma is audio only, and thus filming (and chicken suits) don't play any role, maybe by using.wmv the courts would ensure no one will bother to pay any attention...
The EU is concentrating on the wrong end of the charging cable. If they really cared for the environment they would mandate that phone come only with a charging cable, and that having a simple USB A plug. The real problem is the unnecessary transformers on the wall side...
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> Look at a map. Does not the Mississippi River enter the Gulf of Mexico in Louisiana? How would that work out for you?
So, you're saying we could charge them rednecks for our water?
Facts don't match my ideology so FACTS MUST BE WRONG!!!
> What part of "for the software industry leaders" did you not understand? We're talking about jobs at Google, Apple, MS, and so forth.
What makes you think I haven't worked at a "software industry leader"?
> I suppose you've heard about the financial woes that are bestowed upon poor grad students and post-docs...
I don't really know first-hand. I didn't get my degree at a US university. I completed my degrees with no debt...
> Especially now that you're complaining that somebody else "stole" your jobs
I'm sorry but I don't believe I wrote this. Please cite where I claim someone "stole my job"...
> they were willing to make that sacrifice (across seas and oceans, not just across states within the same country) in the first place.
Hmm, being that I DID THE VERY SAME THING, it rather nullifies your point.
> Besides, if you're as unpleasant in person as on slashdot
Seems like you have a lot of displaced anger. I hope I never have to meet you in person...
>> I turned down and opportunity to make 2.5 times my current salary
> I can sort of see why those 300k jobs aren't coming your way.
You also have a reading comprehension problem...
I guess this is the kind of impressive talent that the H1B program has been attracting...
> Anecdote != Evidence.
And I never claimed otherwise. In fact I even already wrote in this thread that my experience was anecdotal...
Promoted bureaucrats get each other laid.
[genuflecting to the man with the 4-digit UID]
Yes, Mexico's economy has been growing much faster than the rest of North America. But, no, I do not listen to Mitt Romney, though I have heard he is really an illegal Mexican immigrant.
> Please don't take it personally, but if you can never meet a top talent foreign worker at your job, doesn't that just mean you're on the same level with them?
I assume you're missing a "not" in this sentence. But actually I am a CS PhD myself...
> I'm earning more than 300K annually now.
Where? I'd like to apply!
> To say I stole job from local workers?
I didn't say that.
> As for the "fake" job ads, I would say the PERM ads are indeed intentionally worded in the way that only the specific person can qualify.
But that's the point -- the H1B program was intended to supply talented people for which there are none in the US--not to first find a foreign national you want to hire and then justify it under H1B.
> That's the market equilibrium resulted from unfair government regulations. It doesn't mean that foreign workers are happy to do the same job at a lower salary. We are not that dumb okay?
Yes, the H1B program functions like indentured servitude and is in this and many other ways unfair to the H1B holder/applicant. Nobody said you were dumb.
> Everytime I see an article like this, I always think don't you have any shame? Foreign workers are already much harder to find a job than citizens. Just like what I say, we need to do the labor certificate crap to get a work visa and do the PERM if we want a green card, and the company needs to pay thousands in fees. Not to mention that we also have to pay for social security tax that we simply can't get any benefit from.
I'm sorry but it's not the US' responsibility to provide employment for foreign nationals. And yes, under H1B you can very easily become a permanent resident/citizen and retire here receiving full social security benefits. Don't count on it however, none of us citizens are...
> Now you're saying that we stole jobs from you? Just tell me how incompetent you are?
Did I say this? Whatever happened to "Please don't take it personally"...?
Yes, very sorry about that.
Yes, I can *feel* the sincerity in your keystrokes.
I would prefer the inverse apology sometimes, like "I'm sorry you were mean to me."
> Oh and by the way. Most of what I earn I end up spending in the US for menial things, like foot, lodging, etc.
So you admit to trafficking in human body parts...
> I also pay taxes, all of them, because I'm afraid I'll be kicked out of the country if I don't.
Which ones are optional?
>For the same reason I try to abide by all laws and regulations. I don't even speed.
And you admit to clogging up our freeways!
> Now, what I don't understand is why so few Americans work in the IT sector. It only takes a master to be offered a 100k+/year position. I understand I come from a poorer country, but is that kind of money really so laughable?
You don't need a Masters degree to make over $100k. Not at all...
People make life choices based upon things other than money. I could probably triple my salary if I got an MBA and took advantage of the opportunities that enables. I turned down and opportunity to make 2.5 times my current salary because it would've meant moving to NYC and never seeing my family. This is not how I want to spend my life.
> I was never paid less than my American co-workers.
How did you know? Did you compare paychecks?
> It cost my employer(s) plenty to handle my legal immigration expenses.
It usually costs about $5,000.00 for lawyers to come up with enough faked information to get an H1B approved. (Not suggesting your situation is fraudulent.) However at a $10k *yearly* savings in salary (or $15k in real dollar costs), over the five years of servitude before getting a green card, that's a pretty good investment.
> H1-Bs can port their work visa to other employers
Yes, this was a big improvement. Before this the employers held virtual lock on H1B holders and yes, I've seen employers abuse that. Even threaten H1B holders... I've never held anything against H1B holders personally, individually or even as a group--they are doing what's best for themselves (I have even worked overseas myself). There are many pitfalls to being H1B, beyond the aforementioned indentured servitude...
> I am an employer myself, having a nanny to help care for my (American) son.
Be careful, you don't want the xenophobic type bringing out the insulting term "anchor baby".
Even if I really believed you, you weren't an Anonymous Coward, I still wouldn't have met you, you don't even claim to possess a unique skill not available in any US citizen, and my anecdotal personal experiences were not intended as proof of anything. I'm sure there are at least several H1Bs who actually fit the concept intended, but the vast majority are not here on those grounds. I think the only ones fooled by this program are sitting in Congress...
Does Canada plan on running up huge deficits they plan to pay for while a currency devaluation? If so, who's the one with the monopoly money? Otherwise your Greece/Germany scenario doesn't make much sense, and even if it did, it would still apply to Manitoba vs. Canada as a whole...
I agree on principle, but not in terms of practicality. At the current time this would result in great social upheaval.
I would support joining our friends to the north in an free/open labor market à la the European Union. Hell, even a common currency. We have similar economies, education, labor markets, etc. There wouldn't be any flood of canucks southward, or yanks northward. I would even support this with our friends to the south, once their economy is on par with US/Canada.
I have worked in the software industry since 1984. Not once did I meet an H1-B who was MS, PhD, or other top talent. Every single one of them has been ordinary software engineering jobs. I have witnessed how companies make fake jobs ads that cater to the specific person, and HR admitting they automatically pay H1Bs $10k less because they can...
By being forced to write a public apology, it is not an apology. That's kind of the point.
I was taught that one can only apologize for something one is truly sorry for having done. A forced apology is rather meaningless.
Outside of the fact that .wma is audio only, and thus filming (and chicken suits) don't play any role, maybe by using .wmv the courts would ensure no one will bother to pay any attention...
I was guessing "chrysanthemonium"...
Arrows, eh? So you actually use bows and arrows for hunting?
Seems that sometimes when the computing thing is running it's computations, my normal mouse pointer changes from an arrow to an hourglass!
As I have never shot an arrow or kept time with an hourglass, HOW DARE THEY USE THESE ARCANE ANCIENT SKEWY METAPHORS!!!
The EU is concentrating on the wrong end of the charging cable. If they really cared for the environment they would mandate that phone come only with a charging cable, and that having a simple USB A plug. The real problem is the unnecessary transformers on the wall side...