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Apple Posts Non-Apology To Samsung
We recently discussed news of a UK court ruling in which the judge decided Apple must publicly acknowledge that Samsung's Galaxy Tab did not infringe upon the iPad's design, both on the Apple website and in several publications. The acknowledgement has now been posted, and it's anything but apologetic. It states the court's ruling, helpfully referring to "Apple's registered design No. 000018607-0001," and quotes the judges words as an advertisement. The judge wrote, "The informed user's overall impression of each of the Samsung Galaxy Tablets is the following. From the front they belong to the family which includes the Apple design; but the Samsung products are very thin, almost insubstantial members of that family with unusual details on the back. They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design. They are not as cool." They go on to mention German and U.S. cases which found in Apple's favor. Apple's statement concludes, "So while the U.K. court did not find Samsung guilty of infringement, other courts have recognized that in the course of creating its Galaxy tablet, Samsung willfully copied Apple's far more popular iPad."
..they required an acknowledgement of design differences. The danger for Apple is that such a public acknowledgement could spill over into other jurisdictions and affect suits there. Therefore, they've made it as highly specifically technical and narrow to their lawyers' interpretation of the judge's order as possible. Whether or not the court will agree is another matter, and if the court disagrees, how the judge feels about it could mean anything from tweaking the wording to being found in contempt.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Heh. Not sure if Samsung prefers to have this up or down :)
...like what they'd do to NORMAL people when we spit in the face of the judge with our restitution... likely to happen? Nope. Sad, really. They really really deserve it.
To "Don't care" about Ahole vs Shitsung
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
..being Apple. This is just what they do best: spin everything for good PR, forgetting the technical part.
Apple, keeping it classy /s
I really hope the UK has the equivalent of 'contempt of court' and throws the book at those arrogant jerks at Apple.
I further hope the blowback from their attempted patent-armageddon against the rest of the smartphone industry costs them manyfold what they've attempted to extort from others. I only wish I'd never introduced my wife to Apple, and helped her climb the Linux learning curve instead. I hate the idea of giving those would-be monopolists a single penny.
Judges really hate this sort of thing. Hopefully we'll get to read a transcript of what happens when Apple, and their counsel, are required to re-appear before the court..
"Oops, I always forget the purpose of competition is to divide people into winners and losers." - Hobbes
Judges generally don't like it at all when people try to skirt around their rulings by barely acknowledging the letter while flagrantly disregarding the spirit.
Apple is just begging for a contempt citation here.
Apple will just throw more money at it.
Mr. America walk on by your schools that do not teach Mr. America walk on by the minds that won't be reached
Court ordered apologies are stupid. Good for Apple to show contempt for them. Doesn't make their patent good. Their patents are still stupid.
I was under the impression that the statement had to be on the front page of the web site? I don't even see a link to it on their UK home page.
I have the hiccups.
Well nice to know that Apple is still behaving like a spoiled child. It isn't enough to dominate the market, it is important to be unrepentant bully.
Apple using extremely selective quotes from the judge to spend the whole 'apology' badmouthing Samsung is questionable enough but the section at the bottom is basically saying "but ignore this judge, These two courts are more important and found them guilty". That's going to piss the judge off, judges never like their authority being undermined.
The judgment wasn't cast iron law, it doesn't matter if you follow it to the letter if the judge clearly believes you're not following the spirit of a judgement. The judge clearly would not have wanted Apple to give the impression that the judge endorsed Apple's products.
"I order you to apologize!"
"I'm really sorry." /sarcasm
"He didn't sound sincere, your honor."
Kind of like Android fans when Google/Samsung does something that is obviously wrong...your point is?
It was three Appeal judges. This sort of thing really is a mistake where they are concerned, and I imagine they will be contacting one another about it on their Blackberries. If Apple now goes to the UK Supreme Court, they will not be very popular.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
If this is meant to be apology, sue Apple for the insult it is! UK have notorious insult laws: http://reformsection5.org.uk/
The UK can use the resulting trickle-down money from our legal system. English commercial courts are increasingly used as international courts because it's recognised that English judges are pretty corruption-proof; no-one has ever made that claim about courts in California or Texas, say. Well, perhaps they have, but then did anyone take it very seriously?
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
About a week ago.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3194259&cid=41692165
Apple will definitely go down this road.
The judge gave clear language on how to display the apology, but not on what the apology should entail.
Something like:
"We apologize for implying that any Samsung product was as sleek or as easy to use as the (link to ipad page)Apple iPad.(\link)"
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Apple.. you just wait until my patent on coolness gets approved
It reads like a child saying sorry :) this has got to reach the news along with the follow case.
I think Microsoft would have written a 10,000 word apology which read like a EULA. Every bit unread after the first title.
Hey This post is just like every Apple product ever made. Not even close to first, but billed as such by the company and all the fanboners.
Disregard both of my posts here, I am an M$ addict that likes to suck Sweaty B's and Bill Gates' cocks. Perfect payment for astroturfing for M$ here on $lashdot.
Joe Wilcox
My rough take on this, and one Apple should probably absorb globally, is that legal cases are what they are. If you are going to cry publicly that others are not following the 'law' - you don't really gain much from then being a jackass in cases where its been found you are wrong. Why now should Samsung behave in result of a ruling? If all make mockey of the process, then where does it lead.
No, Apple need to be pulled back in court and to be hammered. Double hammered. And then hammered some more. Seems a deliberate and stupid attempt to deviate from the nature and spirit of the ruling laid down on them. This isn't marketing. This is a legal case. Trying to unleash the marketing idiots on it is a mistake, and is erroneous.
Jobs in his younger days - pretty much stated that he stole everything, every idea, every good design and so on - as far as he could. Thats why he went to Xerox Parc and was so taken with a GUI - the same as Paul Allen - 'one day every computer will use that' - Its sad that in the end - he failed to understand that anyone imitating their work is in a way paying a form of homage to them - and their early spirit. And later it seems legalese and not innovation has become the guiding light. Somewhere - someone got lost.
Where would Apple be if Xerox (parc) had walked up to early Apple and crushed them in a court case. Where would the innovation be. Its too simplistic really - but you get the point.
We`re all equal
The judges ruling clearly states:
As a result of his second judgment, Judge Birss ordered that:
Within seven days of the date of this Order [18th July 2012] [Apple] shall at its own expense (a) post in a font size no smaller than Arial 11pt the notice specified in Schedule 1 to this order on the homepage of its UK website ... as specified in Schedule 1 to this Order, together with a hyperlink to the Judgment of HHJ Birss QC dated 9th July 2012, said notice and hyperlink to remain displayed on [Apple's] websites for a period of six months from the date of this order or until further order of the Court (b) publish in a font size no smaller than Arial 14pt the notice specified in Schedule 1 to this Order on a page earlier than page 6 in the Financial Times, the Daily Mail, The Guardian, Mobile Magazine and T3 magazine.
And
The material part of the notice specified in Schedule 1 reads:
On 9th July 2012 the High Court of Justice of England and Wales ruled that Samsung Electronic (UK) Limited's Galaxy Tablet Computer, namely the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9 and Tab 7.7 do not infringe Apple's registered design No. 0000181607-0001. A copy of the full judgment of the High court is available on the following link [link given]
The judge specifically spelled out what Apple was suppose to post. Apple didn't follow these instruction by attaching all the other cruft to the ad therefore they haven't fulfilled the court order.
Try fucking with the judge and you and your solicitor are in DEEP SHIT.
No, he was proactively copied in look and feel of his first post by TWX. TWX then just made is post less cool, so that it would be differentiated. Look at all those extra words.. is that an adverb?! It's a mockery of the simplicity of AC's post.
And this, Apple fanboys, is how Apple will treat you if you ever (consciously or unconsciously) cross Apple's road. Or if Apple decides to cross your road.
With contempt.
Draw rounded rectangle on your iPad? Forbidden. Make a successful iOS app? Apple will copy it, and reject your app from the app store.
It doesn't matter how many iDevices you own, Apple will bite you in the end. And it will make everybody believe that you were the bad guy.
So please, for your own sake and for ours, get off the bandwagon while you still can.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
In the Tracy Kidder book, "The Soul of a New Machine", he documents a year or so with the engineering team designing a new computer. Time pressure... long hours... high tension... and finally one of the engineers called one of the others an asshole.
The project manager called the fellow into the office & explained that we all need to be able to work with each other... yadda yadda.... and you must apologize to him.
The fellow left the office, approached the other engineer and said, "I'm sorry you're an asshole".
Me neither. sick of their antics and their BS patent trolling and whatnot. Overpriced crap. CRAPPLE!
Sure, this looks like mockery to us unrobed and unwigged. But look at it from the Judges PoV: they know that one or both litigants will hate them. Part of the job. What judges dislike is being overturned on appeal -- especially if they've "gone too far" (rather than missing facts).
Apple has just seriously impaired any appeal: They've spent alot of money to voluntarily quote the ruling -- they must agree with it, or at least that [foundational] part. Apple can plead compliance with the order, but not with respect to the material chosen. That was entirely their own choosing.
The law grinds fine, and it is not unusual to have things work out completely the opposite of knee-jerk first appearances. Life, too. I expect the UK justices will close ranks and not reward bad behaviour.
So, who should the judge jail, Apple's CEO?
I went on their site to see where they posted it... took a good 5 minutes to find the tiny link in the footer. (Next to the privacy policy and use of cookies links that nobody ever cares about.)
And then they don't even THEME the page with their excuse! Like they don't want it to have their logos or css endorsing that it's even still their site.
I think the judge was just looking for 4 words along the lines of "Samsung did not infringe." rather than 6 paragraphs of a technical explanation on what that judge said and where he was wrong. It's like asking your dad if you can have something you know your mother would never let you have, and claiming she already said it was okay.
The court clearly wanted Apple to point out the decision, so it would influence other courts around the world and prevent Apple from 'Jurisdiction shopping'. So for example many companies file claims in Texas because the courts there almost always find in favor of the US company regardless of the bogus nature of the patents claims, or the troll nature of the claimant.
So Judge just wants to make it clear that courts have examined these in details and found the claim to be baseless.
Apple on the other hand want to pretend they invented the rounder rectangular tablet form factor, and not just the first to successfully sell it, and many Judges do not know that Apple copied multi-touch, weren't the first to use a camera icon for a camera, even their whole iMac computer was a Parc copy.
So yeh, Apple are being dicks, trying to keep the patent trolling going, even after losing a decision. But the Texas $1 billion has to be overturned soon, the jurist gave the game away. Tim Cook really doesn't seem to be up to the role. Apple continues on incremental upgrades, but there's no visionary there, just a dick.
...but something about the "fuck you, everyone" wording of that message made me never want to buy another Apple product, ever.
Union flag, unless Apple's web server is hosted in a floating datacentre somewhere in the Atlantic.
Post a link on the front page, People click it and read this "non-apology". If Apple gets called to court to change it, they do, but they don't change the link on the front page, so people who frequent their page see the link and assume its the same link, never see the real apology. If a judge was smart he would make the entirety of this was posted on the front page to make sure people saw it.
Disagreeing with you does not make me a troll.
And, just like an Apple product, you can't edit it!
Good thing for all the case wasn't tried in an Italian court, they would have found Apple guilty of voodoo and causing a small gnome dancing on Samsung's spleen to put Samsung's bodily humours out of balance.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
"So while the U.K. court did not find Samsung guilty of infringement, other courts have..."
...been far more open to bribery, we mean persuasion, yes persuasion. And we don't really need the UK market, it's too small and their populace gets upset about corporations evading, I mean avoiding, legally avoiding, tax.
That I don't know for certain that the Appeal judges use Blackberries. It was just a throwaway observation - BB is still popular in the UK, though iPhones are also common in the legal profession. If this makes anyone to mod the parent overrated, please feel free.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
My family is slightly infested with lawyers, and my observation can easily be verified. If you have evidence of judicial corruption it is your duty to lay it before the CPS - there are rare cases of judicial corruption and they get prosecuted.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Apple was told to acknowledge the court's decision.
Rather than acknowledge *WHAT* the court decided, however, all Apple really did was acknowledge *THAT* the court had decided it, and then specifically spelled out what it was that the court decided. I'm not entirely sure that a mere recitation of what all the court had decided, since this is spelled out in the court decision that is linked to anyways, could reasonably be interpreted as an actual acknowledgement of it.
I guess it remains to be seen if that sort of thing will satisfy a UK judge. Also, I'm pretty sure that's not 14 pt text (14 pixels, yes, but not 14pt).
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
This really is an Apple style acknowledgement of fault - I'm reminded on when some iPods were found to be carrying a Windows malware, which then infected some PCs...
http://www.apple.com/support/windowsvirus/
Key quote (emphasis mine): "We recently discovered that a small number - less than 1% - of the Video iPods available for purchase after September 12, 2006, left our contract manufacturer carrying the Windows RavMonE.exe virus. This known virus affects only Windows computers, and up to date anti-virus software which is included with most Windows computers should detect and remove it. So far we have seen less than 25 reports concerning this problem. The iPod nano, iPod shuffle and Mac OS X are not affected, and all Video iPods now shipping are virus free. As you might imagine, we are upset at Windows for not being more hardy against such viruses, and even more upset with ourselves for not catching it."
They do have chutzpah.
I've read the apology and I want a Samsung. That's all that it makes want to do. Basically they are saying one place said Apple products are cooler and another said they are just as cool because they stole the look. And in my mind I see regular people thinking: " Hum it's the same thing but cheaper and as usual its cheaper from Japan."
I know, I know forgive me on the stereotypes.
We have prior art in the form of fictional TV shows definitely showing this stuff to us in the eighties (IE, Star Trek:TNG's "PADD")
I find it hilarious that someone feels that a fictional depiction should be used as evidence that the actual manufacturer of a device should not be given credit.
But by your logic, if I developed faster-than-light travel or instantaneous matter teleportation tomorrow, I would not be entitled to profit from it. It would be perfectly fair for someone to take my design, make it in China for the cost of materials and slave labor, and sell it. For the benefit of humanity, of course; and fuck me for trying to withhold such an advance in human progress for my selfish purposes.
Samsung should thank Apple for assuming Apple's customers are so retarded as to mistake an Android phone or tablet for an iPhone or iPad.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
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Not exactly prominently displayed on their website. You can find it, but only if you're looking for it.
What the judge said was:
Within seven days of the date of this Order [18th July 2012] [Apple] shall at its own expense (a) post in a font size no smaller than Arial 11pt the notice specified in Schedule 1 to this order on the homepage of its UK website ... as specified in Schedule 1 to this Order, together with a hyperlink to the Judgment of HHJ Birss QC dated 9th July 2012, said notice and hyperlink to remain displayed on [Apple's] websites for a period of six months from the date of this order or until further order of the Court (b) publish in a font size no smaller than Arial 14pt the notice specified in Schedule 1 to this Order on a page earlier than page 6 in the Financial Times, the Daily Mail, The Guardian, Mobile Magazine and T3 magazine.
On 9th July 2012 the High Court of Justice of England and Wales ruled that Samsung Electronic (UK) Limited's Galaxy Tablet Computer, namely the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9 and Tab 7.7 do not infringe Apple's registered design No. 0000181607-0001. A copy of the full judgment of the High court is available on the following link [link given]
"But the apology WAS on display ..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find it."
"That's the apology department."
"With a torch."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the apology didn't you?"
"Yes," said Samsung, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Mountain Lion'.
What did you expect from Apple, an admission of wrongdoing? This is the company that said for decades that their computers are immune to viruses, even while they had half a million infected computers. This is the company that released a phone with the antennas that jam each other, and their response was: you're not supposed to hold it. This is the company that said PC's are Profusely Complicated and released a product called PowerPC.
A lot of people still don't see it... in their eyes Apple can do no wrong. Give me a break, if you still don't see it ... go away.
I don't see how this note remotely complies with the judge's order.
He did not order them to post an announcement and justification, and to toot their own horn. He ordered them to post a an acknowledgement of their own wrongdoing, i.e. that they Sumsung devices are not copies.
There is nothing here presenting that follows the order.
Oh no! I am going to get sued since I used a "qualifier" of their products! That's must be patent infringement right Apple? Well don't worry to much Micro$oft sucks even more!
at least there was an infinitesimal quantity of quasy apology discernible in that one ...
This one sounds like a kid trying to "but...but...but..." his way out cheaply.
The phrase 'not as cool' should be made objective to the consumer. Some people just have different preferences to what 'cool' is.
This is what you get when you expect corporations to behave as people.
dreaded scurrilous bit-twiddler from Oklahoma
Which is not, one might note, actually on the homepage of their UK website (which is one of its EU websites), which homepage contains neither the notice required by the order to be placed "on the home pages of its EU websites", nor the link to the judgement required to be placed as part of that notice, but does contain a link which says it is to a "Samsung/Apple UK Judgement" which links instead to the page linked in TFS, which contains the notice text, link to the judgement, and then a bunch of other Apple commentary. It seems to me that the bigger deal than them adding the additional language after the notice text is the fact that they haven't done what the order required, which is placing the notice on the homepage of their EU websites. And since the order specifically references the use of hyperlinks within the notice, it seems that the order is quite clear in distinguishing where content is placed vs. where hyperlinks to content are placed, so placing a hyperlink to a page containing the notice where they are required by the order to place the notice itself is nonresponsive.
It doesn't, but not for the reason you are arguing. The content is compliant, since the order specifies the exact text that is required to be placed, and doesn't restrict placing other text with it, and that text is there, and is the first non-heading text on the page.
The placement of the notice fails to comply with the order, however; it required that the notice be placed on the homepages of all of Apple's EU sites, in a specified typeface and size. What has actually been placed on the homepages of their EU sites is the much smaller text in the footer of the page reading "Apple/Samsung UK Legal Judgement", which is a hyperlink to the page containing the required notice and other text.
Ergo, a fictional depiction is evidence that an actual manufacturer OF THAT DESIGN existed at the time of that depiction in fiction.
Well, remember that Apple is primarily a religion. You wouldn't want the Catholic church to have to apologize for a thousand years of child rape, would you?
Oh, wait... never mind, then.
That much is correct.
No, the judge told them to place a specific notice (with the exact wording specified in the order, and a hyperlink to the judgement specified in a particular place), with specific text font and size. Which is the first non-title text actually on the page, and appears to use the correct font and size. So the content of the notice page is probably compliant -- nothing in the order directs them not to have other content on the page the notice is placed on. The "acknowledge that Samsung didn't infringe" is the kind of things news sites characterizing the order described it as, not what the actual order requires.
However, the order also specifies which pages the notice has to be placed on: and the specified pages are the hompages of Apple's EU sites. On their UK site, at least -- and I suspect the same is true elsewhere -- the only thing related to the notice on the homepage of the site is smaller text reading "Apple/Samsung UK Legal Judgement" in the page footer, which is a hyperlink to the page linked from TFS. The text required by the order to be placed on the homepage of Apple's EU sites is not present, either in the required font and size or otherwise.
Apple is what M$ was 10 years ago for /. current demographics - Evil Satan that can do no right.
As someone who has been on /. longer than that (and around technology of any kind even longer) - all I can say is "this too shall pass".
In the meantime, I think Apple did the right thing. Take it on the personal level. Let's say you feel someone wronged you. You go to court, try to correct the wrong, and court decides against you and (in your opinion, adding insult to injury) requires you to apologize to the party that offended you. How do you feel? Can you offer an honest apology? Why would you? Regardless of whether you agree or don't agree Samsung copied Apple. For the record, while I am not a big fan of Apple policies, I *do* feel that most manufacturers, including Samsung, are copying them. In these things the devil is in the details, and *imho* these details are what make Apple products convenient and others (Samsung) are convenient mostly as far as they follow these same details. Feel free to disagree.
And of course no discussion of British legal system and apologies is complete without this, which I find extremely pertinent: :) Linking here because youtube is misbehaving at the moment)
http://movieclips.com/CDHXP-a-fish-called-wanda-movie-upside-down-apology/
(Now you can tell how old I am
That's assuming they still have the source.
If they'd even allow distribution of the binary under a suitable license, dedicated modders would disassemble the binary. Someone created source code for Super Mario Bros. for instance.
The decision was probably made with a statement like "Who in there right mind would want to play this when we have [latest rehash blockbuster]."
You're right that long copyright terms promote taking works out of print so as not to cannibalize sales of copies of new works.
I can agree with that entirely. While I do take issue with criticisms aimed at the content of the message, I fully agree that it appears Apple did not comply with the ruling by placing the content on their homepage.
Did they commission Mel Gibson to write the apology?
...still exists in the arrogance and disdain they have for normal business practices toward both customers and competitors. Seems like you read this kind of thing everyday about Apple.
Be interesting if the judge forces a "do over".
But even ignoring that, you are now saying "They didn't obey the statement, but you shouldn't complain because they did something else".
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This is not my sig.
HEMA is a dutch retailer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEMA_(store)
They like other retailers have had reasons to publish recall notices for products which turn out to be faulty, this is a legal recuirement. They usually are black and white with no pictures and tiny logos if the logo is even present. The ones for HEMA are in color, with clear logo and product image also in full color. They don't need to, but they do because... well, they care for their customers? That at least is the image this gives people. The company has an EXCELLENT reputation with most Dutch people. They sell a LOT of their own branded stuff and while it isn't premium quality it is cheap and reliable and if you have a problem just return it and get a full refund with no hassle.
They respect their customers and deal with laws as adults, obeying not just the letter (print recall notice) but the spirit (try your best to notify the customers they might have a faulty product).
Compared to Apples reputation... lying about European warranties (2 years vs 1 year that apple gives), false advertising and now this kind of childish stunt. It means any adult sees Apple as just plain pathetic. Childish. Petty. Immature.
Grow up Apple. All you have done by this is given ammo to apple haters to ridicule your fanboys with.
Had they produced a mature ad, only the fanboys would have wimpered and everyone else would have said "oh well at least they aren't sore losers".
Now they are the laughing stock of the world for throwing a temper tantrum. Only yuppies respect this kind of stuff and the like of Romney who likes to fire people. The rest of us want to live in a mature world were people and companies act with a bit of dignity.
Bad Apple now go to bed, no desert for you.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Not to play the UID game but it looks like I've probably been here a tad bit longer than you. I remember the glory days of MS bashing and the reasons for bashing were very different. People hated Windows because it crashed 200 times a day and any 8 year old with a DOS prompt could essentially "root" your box. MS also practiced extremely agressive anti-trust behavior.
Apple does none of the above. They just sue the piss out of competitors and act like arrogant jerks every chance they get. I'm not going to pass moral judgement on which of the two is worse but the reasons for the bashing are different and far more people here like Apple than they did MS in days long past.
I myself use Apple computers almost exclusively, even though I hate the company.
Was should have done, place ads on the facing page, showing/displaying:
Show the iPad and the Samsung table before and after iPad. See how they changed it to be like an iPad. Show the iPhone and the Samsung phones before and after. See how they changed them to be like an iPhone. Show the product packaging for the tables and phones. See how they changed them to be just like the Apple packaging. Show how the Samsung Chromebox looks like a Mac Mini with a black top. Show how the Samsung Ultrabooks look like a Apple Mac Book Air.
I don't own a Mac, an iPhone, S3 or Galaxy, etc.. Even I can tell that whatever design Apple had success with, Samsung copied. ----- Just do an image search asking if Samsung copied Apple and see the results.
Procrastination; I'll think of a sig tomorrow.
A very thin tablet!
Just petty really, like a small child who knows it was in the wrong but still tries to get away with it. And in the adult world such a child is seconds away from getting a deserved belt around the ear.
You can see it with other scandals, people really even don't care that much but come on Armstrong, give it up already, just admit it and we can just acknowledge you all did it and you were the best doped up rider. But continue denying it this way and you loose all respect.
Steve Jobs obituary increasingly starts to read like "thank god he is dead, the rotten swine". Is there ANYONE out there who shed a genuine tear? Anyone who showed up at his funeral to pay respects and not just to make sure he was really gone?
The guys life seems to have been no fun at all, always worried someone was out to get him, trying to get revenge for the slightest perceived slight. Who would have thought ten years ago that Steve Jobs would start to make Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer as not the very epicenter of darkness in the tech world?
Part of the issue is that we respect a bit of dirty fighting when someone is an up and comer but once you made it, stamping on the fingers on those below you is considered unsportsmanlike. And Apple has done an AMAZING job is making a gigantic Korean tiger made powerful by a near dictatorship government with interests in anything from chips to ships to combat robots seem the lovable underdog. That took some doing and Apple did it.
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/85171/galaxy-s-iii-stuwt-samsung-naar-recordkwartaal.html reports that the S3 doubled Samsungs profits, more then 50% of mobile phone sales in Holland belong to Samsung. Yet they are the underdog... NICE marketing Apple!
It is as bad as Steve Ballmers laughing at the iPhone. In moments like this, be an adult. Else you just look pathetic.
This Apple ad will go down in history as how NOT to do marketing. It don't matter what the judges reaction to it will be, this will be fodder for apple bashers for years to come. I don't know how Samsung is going to react, they don't really have a figurehead to speak for them but they might not even need to. All they need to do is keep their mouth shut and let the internet do the talking, be the mature adult ignoring the childs temper tantrum and let the crowd tut-tut the child.
Bad move Apple. This will get you nothing but ridicule and contempt from anyone who is not a fanboy.
A downmod and two MacFags spreading propaganda just goes to prove the OP's point.
Did anyone happen to notice the class name for the div that contains the "Samsung/Apple UK judgment" link?
It is sosumi. Wow. I wonder if the web editor will be held accountable for that.
If you don't see it "so sue me".
Quick note: you may want to see some of the other discussion in this thread, since it sounds like I quoted the wrong portion of the document. I apparently quoted Samsung's request for what Apple should be required to do. The judge's actual ruling was further down the document and didn't specify that it needed to be on the homepage. Mea culpa.
I just waved my foot around vigorously.
Seriously, Apple are acting like five year olds.
The judge will just have to fine the fuckers for loss of reputation while Samsung gets to post adverts like
Apple: Too dumb to live.
Apple products: bought by the blind.
Apple: the product of the dumb leading the blind. Over a cliff.
Just remember a man wearing a powdered wig says Samsung isn't a cool as Apple.
Annnd, it turns out I was wrong, since if you read further down in the ruling to point 57, it turns out that the judge didn't actually specify that it had to be on the home page. The part everyone is quoting is Samsung's requested terms as quoted by the judge, rather than the judge's actual ruling itself, which comes later in the document.
In the "Babylon 5" tv show, Captain John Sheridan is ordered to apologize for firing on a ship that had attacked Babylon 5. You have to watch the series to understand the politics of what was going on. If you haven't seen it, it is not a typical apology.
Here is a clip of Sheridan practicing the apology he plans to give:
Sheridans_apology
Apple's apology reminds me of this one even if it is different.
Who here honestly thought that Apple would actually apologize to Samsung? Judging from the posts I've read so far, a lot more than I would have expected. Just goes to show you that iDevice and Mac owners aren't the only deluded people in the world.
You guys are awfully serious about this. The judge has a strong yet sophisticated sense of humor, and the ruling can be interpreted in multiple ways. I think a judgement that rules your product "cool" in writing is preferable over actually winning a petty case like this. Does anyone think the judge was unaware of the consequences of his wording, and how Apple can use it to its own benefit? And let's face it, Samsung et al do copy the success that they saw with Apple products like there's no tomorrow. If anything, the Apple posting is just and hilarious in many ways.
I can't think of a better way to diminish the popularity of Apple products, especially among their youthful followers, than by posting a quote from a middle-aged bureaucrat stating that they think Apple products are "cool". To paraphrase an old saying, "when all of the adults are getting in, it's time for the kids to get out"
This is typical Apple (Jobs) behaviour, and for me is a reason to stay as far from Apple crap as possible.. They claim others rip them even though they rip much MUCH more and seem to get away with it...
Seriously, troll mod for the parent comment? I'd be interested to know exactly what in that comment merited such a moderation, bearing in mind that "I disagree" is not a valid reason.
I enjoy watching AAPL plunge. I will enjoy it more if they plunge to $20 and go out of business. In such a case their headquarters should be demolished, razed, and then the earth salted where it once stood.
The hatred the average Slashdot neckbeard has for Microsoft is approximately 1/10th the hatred I have of Apple.
and apple was willing to license patents to Samsung, but *not* look and feel.
Which is not, one might note, actually on the homepage of their UK website (which is one of its EU websites), which homepage contains neither the notice required by the order to be placed "on the home pages of its EU websites", nor the link to the judgement required to be placed as part of that notice, but does contain a link which says it is to a "Samsung/Apple UK Judgement" which links instead to the page linked in TFS, which contains the notice text, link to the judgement, and then a bunch of other Apple commentary. It seems to me that the bigger deal than them adding the additional language after the notice text is the fact that they haven't done what the order required, which is placing the notice on the homepage of their EU websites. And since the order specifically references the use of hyperlinks within the notice, it seems that the order is quite clear in distinguishing where content is placed vs. where hyperlinks to content are placed, so placing a hyperlink to a page containing the notice where they are required by the order to place the notice itself is nonresponsive.
You would be right, going by the original decision, but the UK appeals court modified it to say that Apple could put a link on their home page, acknowledging that requiring the statement itself on their home page would adversely affect the design of the page.
The judge specifically spelled out what Apple was suppose to post.
And Apple posted exactly that.
Apple didn't follow these instruction by attaching all the other cruft to the ad therefore they haven't fulfilled the court order.
On the contrary, nothing in the order said "Apple, you have to post this and only this," or "Apple, you may not post anything other than this." You may argue that they haven't followed the spirit of the instructions, but they certainly complied with the explicit instructions.
So the choice is either (1) run the publicity "as indicated" or (2) "as may be agreed or settled" between the parties. I do not imagine that Samsung had agreed to, or settled with the notice Apple put up on their site at the moment. The only possible notice compliant with the court order would, therefore, be "as indicated" by Sir Robin Jacob. He indicated in the preceding paragraph 87: "... Subject to anything that may be submitted by either side I would propose the following:
Apple should have put up a notice with this text (which is "as indicated" by the court). If you freely add or subtract paragraphs from the text ordered by the court, you are not complying with the court order. I do not suppose Judge Birss intended his "not as cool" passages to be quoted and used in the manner Apple did.