almost certainly your hard drive. Press and hold the option key before you see the white screen with the apple on it -- that will bring up a boot menu, try to boot from the install CD and checking the hard drive.
Sure, if Microsoft is accused of violating patents, but the patents in question aren't listed, then yeah, I consider it FUD too - what's wrong with that?
Until an actual list of allegedly violated patents and software is released, it is a fair to make the following assumptions:
1) Most if not all patents on the list cannot be enforced (e.g. sudo, xml, smilies, content syndication, rss, jpeg, tabbed-browsing, etc, etc, etc.)
2) Microsoft probably picked opensource packages that aren't distributed in US distributions like Mplayer, which violatse potentiallt hundreds of patents (some of which microsoft owns). Again, no major or corporate US based distributions provides such software packages.
If comparing these to 2.5" drives instead of 1.8" drives the advantages aren't as drastic.
* 2.5" drives consume between 0.8W to 2.5W (ok, seeking eats a lot, but during sequential read or write, they consume similar amounts), almost no power consumption when they spin down. * 2.5" drives give 53MB/sec read and write. * 2.5" drives are very cheap and have triple the capacity.
The solid state drives are still at an advantage, but it's not quite as large as compared to 1.8" drives.
Oh, I misunderstood what you meant on broadcast scanning - you could do the same with wireshark with a wireless set to monitor mode or by connecting your standard ethernet to a spanning port on a switch or to any port on a hub and sniff sniff:)
Wireshark is a packet analyser, tcpdump and ngrep are packet captures, ngrep (no relation to tcpdump) is just a hell of a lot easier to use. Tcpdump truncates everything to 68bytes by default and has all sorts of other silly defaults and just not trivial to use.
Wireshark supports all protocols listed by Ferret and more, there are plugins for password sniffing but dsniff or cain are just a lot lighter and more efficient when analyzing large amounts of live data like at an ISP. I had to analyze around 400GB of ISP captured data to find a network problem and I tell you, wireshark is VERY slow with this much data;)
As for iTunes DAAP and I think NetBIOS you would need to broadcast requests to get a response at which point you're no longer capturing data but acting as a client or a service sniffer like nmap.
After reading their presentation and other material, here's how it's different to wireshark -- the packet analyzer part is just one of it's features:
1) It can respond to various requests like DHCP requests (so it's like a lightweight collection of servers?) 2) It has a port scanner to show running services (like nmap) 3) It has kismet/netscambler functionality to break into wireless access points 4) They go on and on about it not looking at data leakage but intential data like startup programs querying servers, etc -- After 6-7 pages of explaining this I still don't see the difference...
At the end of the day, this looks like wireshark+nmap+kismet tied together made for the intent of tracking desired actions like buying new hardware in a firm
So looks like move along, nothing to see her to me but I get the steroid bit now
Whoever will settle the highest settlement without going to court is the one at fault - seriously though, I know at least 1 university that takes blame for student bittorrent use but then issues a strict warning to the student responsible, I guess in this case it is them that violated the DMCA.
Oh, sorry, didn't comment on the last bit:
"..having the option of better performance over lower latency is a GOOD thing."
Not in a desktop operating system. Would you like to explain to the class why? I'm running Linux on an AMD3000+ set to higher performance over lower latency so it can play 720P media - the 10-15% overhead for lower latency is enough to make a difference between lagging in high motion scenes and not lagging in high motion scenes.
That's a bit of a unique case, but what about gaming, graphics design, 3d modeling - pretty much anything that isn't sound engineering and running many CPU intensive applications while listening to music and not wanting the music to lag?
Also, when you say low latency, how low is low? - If you need to record sound, you may want to look into a realtime (just in time) kernel even though the performance hit can be up to 30%.
"Google desktop, beagle, spotlight, etc, etc, etc" are nothing like live filesystem queries and in-filesystem indexes. Why would you use live filesystem queries when inotify in the kernel notifies of changes to the filesystem in realtime? - As for in-filesystem indexes, that can be accomplished with say a reiser4 plugin but there is a performance hit accessing the filesystem with additional attributes on files - It isn't like special attributes like ACL or what SELinux provides, it's just information
"nautilus [and] just about any file manager" do not provide file identification features in the same vein as BeOS, and mimetype-based file identifcation is certainly not integrated fully into Linux. File identification includes id3v2 tags, being able to understand media files and showing the bitrate, length, etc and all this is done by storing the information in the file itself and directory cache file for the directory, so OpenBeOS would potentially duplicate all that in filesystem meta-data? - What advantages does that have? -- Any additional meta-data would surely be a performance hit on the filesystem.
"dbus..bonobo/cobra, kparts, etc" are nowhere near as flexible as proper object serialisation, nor are they anywhere near as integrated as in BeOS. If Bonobo or KParts where any good they wouldn't be being replaced with dbus. They also do not pre-date BeOS. They were replaced by dbus because it was found to be better that bonobo and kparts - what I'm saying is a message bus should be a part of any operating system and mentioning that it's there doesn't really inspire awe. As for dbus, it seems like a solid message bus, where does it lack in terms of flexibility compared to what OpenBeOS uses?
Just because you don't understand extensible meta-data you can't simply dismiss the concept out of hand as "stupid". These are equivilent to POSIX xatrr() attributes but are more flexible and more integrated I.e. the meta-data can be fully indexed and queried (See point 1) I'm not saying extensible meta-data is stupid, I'm saying using it to manage your jazz collection is, would you really use extensible meta-data to manage your music collection? really?
I'll look into everything you've mentioned more closely, but I still don't see what OpenBeos offers that is in anyway better than Linux or any operating system and I wasn't trying to illustrate it's not Linux, but that what does it have that is unique and that makes it stand out and I still can't see what - I'll keep looking.
As for being a fan boy, I'm currently running Leopard (OSX), FreeBSD on my weaker laptop, have Ubuntu (Linux) on my HTPC, have Windows at work, run Solaris on a couple servers, and use various other smaller OSes found in switches, load balancers, etc -- I know Linux better than the rest so that's what I'm comparing OpenBeOS to.
Please list any of those that are a) Nowhere near comparable b) Not integrated c) Crap -- Obviously you are not yet another armchair developer and have insight on this, we'd all love to hear it.
* Focused on desktop, don't want to be a wristwatch ** So they believe in the future of desktops and not having a system that's built up of components but having a system designed for the desktop. Apple have their desktop OS running on a phone, Linux has been ported to just about anything under the sun, Microsoft have a stripped down version of their OS for phones and PDA but Haiku think they are better by focusing on desktop only -- mistake! * Compatible with Beos R5 ** As he said in the presentation, why focus so much on being compatible with a 6 year old OS? - Maybe an emulator for the sake of it, but this is a priority? * Kernel designed for responsiveness ** Low latency means lower performance and that dig at Linux he made in the presentation is inaccurate - firstly, responsiveness depends on options chosen in the kernel, having the option of better performance over lower latency is a GOOD thing. * Unified, cohensive interface integrated, simplicity is the key, best defaults, feature complete, 7 million lines of code, Hide inner workings of the OS ** blah, blah, blah * MIT Licensed ** or X11 license, means you take the software, close source and sell it;) * Small footprint, fast boot ** 60MB uncompressed is not small, Linux even with X can be as small as 6MB uncompressed if that * Less Debug - no need to test with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Multiple Linux kernels, Windows ** Absolute bullshit, he seems to encourage software to be made for their OS only, making it compatible with Linux, FreeBSD or Windows is a sin! * Discourages forks and alternatives ** Err, discourages choice and how are they going to stop a fork if someone disagrees with their direction and say wants more choice. * Human Interface Design ** err, hello? - freedesktop.org? - And what software and operating system doesn't focus on HID sooner or later? * One common look makes documentation, support and QA easier ** 1 common look? communism anyone? * C++ is the best for writing OS, best balance, faster dev ** I'm not even going to tackle this one * Built for large files ** Err? code for the filesystem can't handle small files? * Database like queries to find stuff ** Google desktop, beagle, spotlight, etc, etc, etc * File mimetypes, no extensions needed ** Great, nautilus does this, just about any file manager can implement this easily if there's demand * Kits, API centered around concept ** Errrr, gnome, kde, cocoa are all APIs with libraries centered around concept * In response to how do we package management, we just drop executables ** This guy's on crack, either everything is statically compiled (BAD IDEA) or they must be able to handle their libraries somehow * Includes all libraries by default ** Err, what happened to the small footprint? - and what about bug fixes? -- You fix a bus in a library and all software that uses it stops working - or you don't fix the library and end up with what windows is today staying backward compatible to bugs found 15 years ago. * Serialized instances of Haiku applications ** err, dbus? -- And similar has been available for way over a decade: bonobo/cobra, kparts, etc * Contacts/Emails stored in standard formats ** errr, mbox/maildir/ics(ical), old news * New filetype with file Attributes ** No details and given example of using these to create a jazz album is stupid, you'd use compatible id3 tags. * Add-Ons ** No details * Applications scriptable ** Well, like windows 2000 scripting or like shell scripting? - Depends on what the author implements in the application either way... * Virtual Memory Subsystem, File System Interface ** Sounds standard/archaic
To anyone who can't be bothered reading the 4 paragraphs, here's a summary: opensource is useless for the working professional right now in the visual field.
My friend doubt one of the nokia cellular cameras and it runs off the mains with a rechargable battery. You can text it to send you a picture of your home at any time, it will also send you a picture when the power is disconnected and when there is motion. Cool little thingy.
In the tests I've seen, it seems AAC is better than most at 128kbps, WMA is better at 64kbps (although at this birtate, the quality isn't really usable anyway), OGG is better around 160kbps (sweet spot for portable audio?), MP3 still smokes all at 320kbps. So if you take AAC and encode at 320kbps, you won't get the quality of mp3 at equivalent bitrate, so really, just stick with high bitrate mp3 or lossless for optimal quality - wma is impressive for what it is but I wouldn't use it for much other than putting a ringtone on my phone.
Has anyone noticed the processor is not yet available for sale and won't be available for a while? - I was very impressed by the benchmarks until I tried to find it for sale and saw that expected street prices will be far higher than those listed in the review sites and in fact will rival AMD prices.
Back then they made a whole fuss about not switching to optical because a wheel mouse was more responsive and had a better feel - now they are making a fuss not switching to laser because optical is more responsive and has a better feel. I owned one of their mouses and all I can see is never again, it was an absolutely horrible experience:
1) The cable was stiff and sticky and was constantly dragging the mouse not letting me play. 2) The mouse wheel was very still and loud, and clicking it was a real mission. 3) The mouse was extremely flat and huge so was hard to move yet extremely uncomfortable and felt like I'm just resting my hand on the table it was so flat. 4) The rubber buttons didn't help with grip and just felt strange, the buttons were also far too sensitive - since you can't pick up the mouse because of it's flatness, you constantly press the buttons by mistake.
And that was for a $50 mouse - I bought a cheap microsoft optical and my FPS accuracy improved instantly. Just say no!
> The bottom line is this: copyright infringement DOES cause serious problems. It causes money not to go to > shows/movies/etc. It causes creative ventures to be cancelled. It causes people to lose jobs (not just the stars > who have money -- people like the crew that have little).
Copyright law causes an equal amount of problems and people are waking up - when the MPAA finally sees their business model is failing, they'll just have to come up with another. ISPs are coming up with a new business model because they aren't making money, restaurants are finding ways to combat fast food, and for the love of god please think of those making typewriters and coding assembly for the intel 8080 - those poor souls.
> Yes, some people pirate to "try before they buy". Some use it to test software before buying it for a production > environment. I'd venture to say the vast don't, however. Ask the average teenager/college student/etc. if he/she's > REALLY going to buy that 3rd season of Family Guy/CD from Radiohead/V for Vendetta flick. Chances are they aren't.
That's right - I don't want 14 CDs costing an extortionate amount to have The DaVinci Code audiobook and there's no way for me to download it legally without paying an equal amount while knowing the running/material costs are a tiny fraction that of selling CDs.
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almost certainly your hard drive. Press and hold the option key before you see the white screen with the apple on it -- that will bring up a boot menu, try to boot from the install CD and checking the hard drive.
Sure, if Microsoft is accused of violating patents, but the patents in question aren't listed, then yeah, I consider it FUD too - what's wrong with that?
Until an actual list of allegedly violated patents and software is released, it is a fair to make the following assumptions:
1) Most if not all patents on the list cannot be enforced (e.g. sudo, xml, smilies, content syndication, rss, jpeg, tabbed-browsing, etc, etc, etc.)
2) Microsoft probably picked opensource packages that aren't distributed in US distributions like Mplayer, which violatse potentiallt hundreds of patents (some of which microsoft owns). Again, no major or corporate US based distributions provides such software packages.
If comparing these to 2.5" drives instead of 1.8" drives the advantages aren't as drastic.
* 2.5" drives consume between 0.8W to 2.5W (ok, seeking eats a lot, but during sequential read or write, they consume similar amounts), almost no power consumption when they spin down.
* 2.5" drives give 53MB/sec read and write.
* 2.5" drives are very cheap and have triple the capacity.
The solid state drives are still at an advantage, but it's not quite as large as compared to 1.8" drives.
Oh, I misunderstood what you meant on broadcast scanning - you could do the same with wireshark with a wireless set to monitor mode or by connecting your standard ethernet to a spanning port on a switch or to any port on a hub and sniff sniff :)
Wireshark is a packet analyser, tcpdump and ngrep are packet captures, ngrep (no relation to tcpdump) is just a hell of a lot easier to use. Tcpdump truncates everything to 68bytes by default and has all sorts of other silly defaults and just not trivial to use.
;)
Wireshark supports all protocols listed by Ferret and more, there are plugins for password sniffing but dsniff or cain are just a lot lighter and more efficient when analyzing large amounts of live data like at an ISP. I had to analyze around 400GB of ISP captured data to find a network problem and I tell you, wireshark is VERY slow with this much data
As for iTunes DAAP and I think NetBIOS you would need to broadcast requests to get a response at which point you're no longer capturing data but acting as a client or a service sniffer like nmap.
After reading their presentation and other material, here's how it's different to wireshark -- the packet analyzer part is just one of it's features:
1) It can respond to various requests like DHCP requests (so it's like a lightweight collection of servers?)
2) It has a port scanner to show running services (like nmap)
3) It has kismet/netscambler functionality to break into wireless access points
4) They go on and on about it not looking at data leakage but intential data like startup programs querying servers, etc -- After 6-7 pages of explaining this I still don't see the difference...
At the end of the day, this looks like wireshark+nmap+kismet tied together made for the intent of tracking desired actions like buying new hardware in a firm
So looks like move along, nothing to see her to me but I get the steroid bit now
How is this different to say wireshark or any other traffic analyzer?
Whoever will settle the highest settlement without going to court is the one at fault - seriously though, I know at least 1 university that takes blame for student bittorrent use but then issues a strict warning to the student responsible, I guess in this case it is them that violated the DMCA.
Watch life of brian - watching it now, what a laugh riot
Not in a desktop operating system. Would you like to explain to the class why? I'm running Linux on an AMD3000+ set to higher performance over lower latency so it can play 720P media - the 10-15% overhead for lower latency is enough to make a difference between lagging in high motion scenes and not lagging in high motion scenes.
That's a bit of a unique case, but what about gaming, graphics design, 3d modeling - pretty much anything that isn't sound engineering and running many CPU intensive applications while listening to music and not wanting the music to lag?
Also, when you say low latency, how low is low? - If you need to record sound, you may want to look into a realtime (just in time) kernel even though the performance hit can be up to 30%.
- "Google desktop, beagle, spotlight, etc, etc, etc" are nothing like live filesystem queries and in-filesystem indexes.
- "nautilus [and] just about any file manager" do not provide file identification features in the same vein as BeOS, and mimetype-based file identifcation is certainly not integrated fully into Linux.
- "dbus..bonobo/cobra, kparts, etc" are nowhere near as flexible as proper object serialisation, nor are they anywhere near as integrated as in BeOS. If Bonobo or KParts where any good they wouldn't be being replaced with dbus. They also do not pre-date BeOS.
- Just because you don't understand extensible meta-data you can't simply dismiss the concept out of hand as "stupid". These are equivilent to POSIX xatrr() attributes but are more flexible and more integrated I.e. the meta-data can be fully indexed and queried (See point 1)
I'll look into everything you've mentioned more closely, but I still don't see what OpenBeos offers that is in anyway better than Linux or any operating system and I wasn't trying to illustrate it's not Linux, but that what does it have that is unique and that makes it stand out and I still can't see what - I'll keep looking.Why would you use live filesystem queries when inotify in the kernel notifies of changes to the filesystem in realtime? - As for in-filesystem indexes, that can be accomplished with say a reiser4 plugin but there is a performance hit accessing the filesystem with additional attributes on files - It isn't like special attributes like ACL or what SELinux provides, it's just information
File identification includes id3v2 tags, being able to understand media files and showing the bitrate, length, etc and all this is done by storing the information in the file itself and directory cache file for the directory, so OpenBeOS would potentially duplicate all that in filesystem meta-data? - What advantages does that have? -- Any additional meta-data would surely be a performance hit on the filesystem.
They were replaced by dbus because it was found to be better that bonobo and kparts - what I'm saying is a message bus should be a part of any operating system and mentioning that it's there doesn't really inspire awe. As for dbus, it seems like a solid message bus, where does it lack in terms of flexibility compared to what OpenBeOS uses?
I'm not saying extensible meta-data is stupid, I'm saying using it to manage your jazz collection is, would you really use extensible meta-data to manage your music collection? really?
As for being a fan boy, I'm currently running Leopard (OSX), FreeBSD on my weaker laptop, have Ubuntu (Linux) on my HTPC, have Windows at work, run Solaris on a couple servers, and use various other smaller OSes found in switches, load balancers, etc -- I know Linux better than the rest so that's what I'm comparing OpenBeOS to.
Please list any of those that are a) Nowhere near comparable b) Not integrated c) Crap -- Obviously you are not yet another armchair developer and have insight on this, we'd all love to hear it.
* Focused on desktop, don't want to be a wristwatch ;)
** So they believe in the future of desktops and not having a system that's built up of components but having a system designed for the desktop. Apple have their desktop OS running on a phone, Linux has been ported to just about anything under the sun, Microsoft have a stripped down version of their OS for phones and PDA but Haiku think they are better by focusing on desktop only -- mistake!
* Compatible with Beos R5
** As he said in the presentation, why focus so much on being compatible with a 6 year old OS? - Maybe an emulator for the sake of it, but this is a priority?
* Kernel designed for responsiveness
** Low latency means lower performance and that dig at Linux he made in the presentation is inaccurate - firstly, responsiveness depends on options chosen in the kernel, having the option of better performance over lower latency is a GOOD thing.
* Unified, cohensive interface integrated, simplicity is the key, best defaults, feature complete, 7 million lines of code, Hide inner workings of the OS
** blah, blah, blah
* MIT Licensed
** or X11 license, means you take the software, close source and sell it
* Small footprint, fast boot
** 60MB uncompressed is not small, Linux even with X can be as small as 6MB uncompressed if that
* Less Debug - no need to test with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Multiple Linux kernels, Windows
** Absolute bullshit, he seems to encourage software to be made for their OS only, making it compatible with Linux, FreeBSD or Windows is a sin!
* Discourages forks and alternatives
** Err, discourages choice and how are they going to stop a fork if someone disagrees with their direction and say wants more choice.
* Human Interface Design
** err, hello? - freedesktop.org? - And what software and operating system doesn't focus on HID sooner or later?
* One common look makes documentation, support and QA easier
** 1 common look? communism anyone?
* C++ is the best for writing OS, best balance, faster dev
** I'm not even going to tackle this one
* Built for large files
** Err? code for the filesystem can't handle small files?
* Database like queries to find stuff
** Google desktop, beagle, spotlight, etc, etc, etc
* File mimetypes, no extensions needed
** Great, nautilus does this, just about any file manager can implement this easily if there's demand
* Kits, API centered around concept
** Errrr, gnome, kde, cocoa are all APIs with libraries centered around concept
* In response to how do we package management, we just drop executables
** This guy's on crack, either everything is statically compiled (BAD IDEA) or they must be able to handle their libraries somehow
* Includes all libraries by default
** Err, what happened to the small footprint? - and what about bug fixes? -- You fix a bus in a library and all software that uses it stops working - or you don't fix the library and end up with what windows is today staying backward compatible to bugs found 15 years ago.
* Serialized instances of Haiku applications
** err, dbus? -- And similar has been available for way over a decade: bonobo/cobra, kparts, etc
* Contacts/Emails stored in standard formats
** errr, mbox/maildir/ics(ical), old news
* New filetype with file Attributes
** No details and given example of using these to create a jazz album is stupid, you'd use compatible id3 tags.
* Add-Ons
** No details
* Applications scriptable
** Well, like windows 2000 scripting or like shell scripting? - Depends on what the author implements in the application either way...
* Virtual Memory Subsystem, File System Interface
** Sounds standard/archaic
why is this modded as flamebait??
Wish I had mod points, most informative post I've seen in a while.
To anyone who can't be bothered reading the 4 paragraphs, here's a summary: opensource is useless for the working professional right now in the visual field.
Why? -- Doesn't say.
No, not hacked - I think it's this one: http://3nw.com/pda/wireless/wwan/wwan_cam.htm -- I'll double check with him
Oh, also you can phone it to listen what is happening in your home.
My friend doubt one of the nokia cellular cameras and it runs off the mains with a rechargable battery. You can text it to send you a picture of your home at any time, it will also send you a picture when the power is disconnected and when there is motion. Cool little thingy.
In the tests I've seen, it seems AAC is better than most at 128kbps, WMA is better at 64kbps (although at this birtate, the quality isn't really usable anyway), OGG is better around 160kbps (sweet spot for portable audio?), MP3 still smokes all at 320kbps. So if you take AAC and encode at 320kbps, you won't get the quality of mp3 at equivalent bitrate, so really, just stick with high bitrate mp3 or lossless for optimal quality - wma is impressive for what it is but I wouldn't use it for much other than putting a ringtone on my phone.
Has anyone noticed the processor is not yet available for sale and won't be available for a while? - I was very impressed by the benchmarks until I tried to find it for sale and saw that expected street prices will be far higher than those listed in the review sites and in fact will rival AMD prices.
Back then they made a whole fuss about not switching to optical because a wheel mouse was more responsive and had a better feel - now they are making a fuss not switching to laser because optical is more responsive and has a better feel. I owned one of their mouses and all I can see is never again, it was an absolutely horrible experience:
1) The cable was stiff and sticky and was constantly dragging the mouse not letting me play.
2) The mouse wheel was very still and loud, and clicking it was a real mission.
3) The mouse was extremely flat and huge so was hard to move yet extremely uncomfortable and felt like I'm just resting my hand on the table it was so flat.
4) The rubber buttons didn't help with grip and just felt strange, the buttons were also far too sensitive - since you can't pick up the mouse because of it's flatness, you constantly press the buttons by mistake.
And that was for a $50 mouse - I bought a cheap microsoft optical and my FPS accuracy improved instantly. Just say no!
> The bottom line is this: copyright infringement DOES cause serious problems. It causes money not to go to
> shows/movies/etc. It causes creative ventures to be cancelled. It causes people to lose jobs (not just the stars
> who have money -- people like the crew that have little).
Copyright law causes an equal amount of problems and people are waking up - when the MPAA finally sees their business model is failing, they'll just have to come up with another. ISPs are coming up with a new business model because they aren't making money, restaurants are finding ways to combat fast food, and for the love of god please think of those making typewriters and coding assembly for the intel 8080 - those poor souls.
> Yes, some people pirate to "try before they buy". Some use it to test software before buying it for a production
> environment. I'd venture to say the vast don't, however. Ask the average teenager/college student/etc. if he/she's
> REALLY going to buy that 3rd season of Family Guy/CD from Radiohead/V for Vendetta flick. Chances are they aren't.
That's right - I don't want 14 CDs costing an extortionate amount to have The DaVinci Code audiobook and there's no way for me to download it legally without paying an equal amount while knowing the running/material costs are a tiny fraction that of selling CDs.
I think in this scenario it is the lesser of 2 evils, I pick thepiratebay and glad to see them victorious over the MPAA.