I think this whole topic is hilarious. Why? Because all the Linux fanboys keep telling me that FreeBSD is antiquated, dying, and doesn't support any hardware. But I can stick any USB Mass Storage device on my system and it just works. Out Of The Box(tm). This includes every thumb drive I've tried, my Olympus digital camera, and that cheesy Iomega USB CDRW at work (it won't burn to CD though).
Of course, FreeBSD by default has a bare bones configuration, so I do a trivial amount of work to allow user mounting of filesystems. But with a KDE icon on my desktop right next to the Floppy and DVD icons, I never even notice how difficult and unfriendly it is.
Frankly, I can't understand why Linux has problems with USB Mass Storage. Is UMass, like SATA, just something that no one in the Linux community paid any attention to until now?
It's small as well as having the Control and Caps Lock keys in the correct place.
That's what I don't understand, and I hope someone can explain it. Who decides what the correct spot for the Ctrl key is? Shouldn't it be down in the corner with the other major metakey, namely Alt? And what happened to the Caps Lock? You mention it, but the picture of the happy hacker doesn't even show one.
Was there a major line of PC keyboards a few years back that had the keys different? Or did everyone get trained on Sun keyboards? What?
Back when I had a 400MHz Pentium, a 200MHz made a big deal. It was worth upgrading if the price was right. But now I have a 2.8GHz Pentium. Adding 200MHz to that is nothing. I wouldn't be able to notice the speed difference without a stopwatch.
I think some of the speed fan need to get a life. I bought my 2.8GHz P4 one month ago for $298. A 3.2GHz (non-extreme) P4 from the same retailer was $698. The decision was trivial.
Right and wrong. I love the hierachical filesystem, but we still need good metadata attached to the files. Unfortunately, all the proposed solutions are to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I want my old HPFS file system back, preferably with the WPS!
So the kid is smart. Big fat hairy deal. His fusion reactor still doesn't generate more energy than its input. Thus, it works no better than the one I built last night with beer bottles and styrofoam cups.
Wake me up when someone builds a real working fusion reactor.
You read way too much in my use of "free beer" versus "free as in beer".
Freeware is software that has no monetary cost. g77 has no monetary cost. Thus g77 is freeware. That may not be the preferred term, but it is accurate in it's way. Side effect of the GPL or not, it's still freeware. The original poster should not have been castigated for using the term.
As an aside, though English has only the one word "free", while many other languages have two, it doesn't make much of a difference, since there much more than two definitions for the word. Depending on your dictionary, there could be between twelve and eighteen. Now that I know the correct word is "libre", which of the eleven to seventeen definitions is the correct one?
The common BSD definition of free is "unencumbered by legal restriction".
Yeah dammit! We want either a monopoly or a net.czar, just like all the other countries have. Why should I have to go to my friend down the street running an excellent broadband service with no downtime in five years, when all we need is for the Feds to declare Comcast the law...
If it's free beer then it's freeware. Software that is gratis (free+ware). Since no one has to pay to get g77, it's freeware. I wish the FSF would stop trying to redefine the English language.
Right on. These are the guys who promoted violent music as mainstream. They made billions selling songs about killing policemen, raping girlfriends, and calling their mothers whores. Then they have the temerity to call us thieves for downloading a song sample.
There's nothing more disgusting than an immoral person complaining about someone else's morality.
Then Redhat can't make up their minds, because this page says, "Subscribe to Red Hat Network (subscriptions start as low as $60 USD/year). As a paid subscriber, you'll be able to download the latest Red Hat Linux ISOs" and "Subscribe to Red Hat Network, get instant access to Red Hat Linux 9."
They're sure making it sounds like you have to subscribe.
I'm confused. Unless I'm missing something really obvious, the alumni association is so far out of line it's not even funny.
If the website is hosted on school property, then the school itself would have a say in the matter. But the alumni association is not the school, no matter how much influence they might have with it. If you're not disregarding any school rules with the website, then I would say ignore the alumnis, politely present your side to the school, then wait for a school administrator to make a decision.
If it's not hosted on school property, then the alumni association can go take a long walk off a short pier. At least be thankful that you learning today what alumni associations are all about, instead of ten years down the road after you've already given them some of your hard earned money.
You can't really blame them though. It's just a reaction to all the Linux fanboys describing Linux as superior, possessing some intangible quality of superiority that FreeBSD would never reach.
If we can negotiate the scary political waters, I'd like to see the various X projects, freedesktop.org, and the desktop environments and applications work together on a single base desktop platform project.
Gee, talk about scary waters indeed! Since Havoc is a Redhat guy, I'm wondering if he means that Redhat should be the standard desktop platform. What does that do to SuSE and Mandrake? Heck, what does it do to non-Linux platforms?
Right now Gnome and KDE run on Solaris, AIX, *BSD, IRIX, etc. Not just Linux. Not just Redhat. Gnome and KDE run an systems that Havoc has absolutely no control over, and never ever will.
I think the momentum linux has over Unix is a matter of its GPL license, which makes it widely and freely available
Well, you might have a point if there were a whole bunch of proprietary BSD derived systems out there. But that's not true. Thinking about, I can't think of one. Both SunOS and BSD/OS started with AT&T encumbered CSRG code. On the other hand, you have Darwin which is based on free BSD code, and which has been declared Open Source and Free Software by the guys who matter.
The momentum behind Linux has very much to do with the USL lawsuit (the SCO of its day) and extremely little to do with the licensing.
FreeBSD is not superior to Linux. On the other hand, Linux is not superior to FreeBSD. They both have different priorities and goals, and to claim one is better than the other is complete nonsense.
FreeBSD ignored SMP for a long time because frankly there was no one demanding it. When less than 1% of the user base even has a need for it, why bother? They also kept SMP in -CURRENT for a long time instead of throwing it out to the world before it was ready. Linux on the otherhand is obsessed with supporting every piece of hardware out there yesterday, and had SMP about two years before FreeBSD did. But it took a while before it was stable. Both approaches are valid. One focuses on the core stability and the other focuses on the bleeding edge.
One has to be pretty short sighted to expect Solaris to thrive in the future - already it is considered a "legacy" OS...
"Legacy" is a meaningless word today. My new system has a BIOS that refers "Legacy USB". What they heck is legacy USB? It took me a while, but I finally figured out it meant USB 1.0 devices. So in other words, my brand new mouse and keyboard are "legacy" devices. Go figure.
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Most new, non-game applications these days are written for the Web.
Which goes a long ways to explain why the software industry is so fscked up nowadays. Crossplatform is great. Server/client is great. But making everything a webapp is brain dead, because not everything needs to be crossplatform and not everything needs to be server/client. Heck, I'll commit a major heresy and declare that not everything needs to have an RDBMS backend!
Maybe the user doesn't want to set up a freaking server. Maybe they don't want all of their information being broadcast all over the web. Maybe they want to be able to use the application when the network is down. Maybe they don't want to buy a subscription to some stupid service, but want to actually use the product they bought without having to get someone's permission first.
BFD! You still didn't answer the question. Do you really think someone who sits in front of a full screen VT102 terminall all day is going to go home and say "hey, I need a full screen VT102 terminal here too!"
UPS used OS/2 for the longest time. Heck, they still might be using it. But I never met any UPS worker that used OS/2 at home. They never said to themselves, "hey, I can wave my little brown pad by that terminal and it automatically uploads my route, I need this at home!"
I'm still using C++. But I have been told by my boss that in 2005 I will have to start writing my hard real time embedded code using C# and.NET. Sigh. I'm dreading the day Microsoft announces DSP.NET...
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If you do approach the company, make it clear that you are willing to sell them a license to distribute it.
Unless you place your code under any Free or Open Source license. Then you ALREADY have given them a license to distribute it.
I think this whole topic is hilarious. Why? Because all the Linux fanboys keep telling me that FreeBSD is antiquated, dying, and doesn't support any hardware. But I can stick any USB Mass Storage device on my system and it just works. Out Of The Box(tm). This includes every thumb drive I've tried, my Olympus digital camera, and that cheesy Iomega USB CDRW at work (it won't burn to CD though).
Of course, FreeBSD by default has a bare bones configuration, so I do a trivial amount of work to allow user mounting of filesystems. But with a KDE icon on my desktop right next to the Floppy and DVD icons, I never even notice how difficult and unfriendly it is.
Frankly, I can't understand why Linux has problems with USB Mass Storage. Is UMass, like SATA, just something that no one in the Linux community paid any attention to until now?
It's small as well as having the Control and Caps Lock keys in the correct place.
That's what I don't understand, and I hope someone can explain it. Who decides what the correct spot for the Ctrl key is? Shouldn't it be down in the corner with the other major metakey, namely Alt? And what happened to the Caps Lock? You mention it, but the picture of the happy hacker doesn't even show one.
Was there a major line of PC keyboards a few years back that had the keys different? Or did everyone get trained on Sun keyboards? What?
Does anyone remember a programming language that was specifically for creating, training and using neural networks?
Hey, have you read the posts here yet? If it ain't Java no one will use it. All hail the mighty Java!
At my job, my boss tells people that "he's usually in between 8 an 8:30". I try to be in by 8
I've got flex time. My boss comes in at 8:00. I come in at 10:00. No problem. My boss leaves at 5:00, I leave at 5:01. No problem...
You're both wrong. Xenon is a noble gas. Xeon is a 32 bit processor.
I remember buying a 8086 with a turbo button. I could run at 11MHz instead of 4.77! Whoo hoo!
Back when I had a 400MHz Pentium, a 200MHz made a big deal. It was worth upgrading if the price was right. But now I have a 2.8GHz Pentium. Adding 200MHz to that is nothing. I wouldn't be able to notice the speed difference without a stopwatch.
I think some of the speed fan need to get a life. I bought my 2.8GHz P4 one month ago for $298. A 3.2GHz (non-extreme) P4 from the same retailer was $698. The decision was trivial.
Right and wrong. I love the hierachical filesystem, but we still need good metadata attached to the files. Unfortunately, all the proposed solutions are to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I want my old HPFS file system back, preferably with the WPS!
So the kid is smart. Big fat hairy deal. His fusion reactor still doesn't generate more energy than its input. Thus, it works no better than the one I built last night with beer bottles and styrofoam cups.
Wake me up when someone builds a real working fusion reactor.
You read way too much in my use of "free beer" versus "free as in beer".
Freeware is software that has no monetary cost. g77 has no monetary cost. Thus g77 is freeware. That may not be the preferred term, but it is accurate in it's way. Side effect of the GPL or not, it's still freeware. The original poster should not have been castigated for using the term.
As an aside, though English has only the one word "free", while many other languages have two, it doesn't make much of a difference, since there much more than two definitions for the word. Depending on your dictionary, there could be between twelve and eighteen. Now that I know the correct word is "libre", which of the eleven to seventeen definitions is the correct one?
The common BSD definition of free is "unencumbered by legal restriction".
too many small players
Yeah dammit! We want either a monopoly or a net.czar, just like all the other countries have. Why should I have to go to my friend down the street running an excellent broadband service with no downtime in five years, when all we need is for the Feds to declare Comcast the law...
If it's free beer then it's freeware. Software that is gratis (free+ware). Since no one has to pay to get g77, it's freeware. I wish the FSF would stop trying to redefine the English language.
Right on. These are the guys who promoted violent music as mainstream. They made billions selling songs about killing policemen, raping girlfriends, and calling their mothers whores. Then they have the temerity to call us thieves for downloading a song sample.
There's nothing more disgusting than an immoral person complaining about someone else's morality.
Then Redhat can't make up their minds, because this page says, "Subscribe to Red Hat Network (subscriptions start as low as $60 USD/year). As a paid subscriber, you'll be able to download the latest Red Hat Linux ISOs" and "Subscribe to Red Hat Network, get instant access to Red Hat Linux 9."
They're sure making it sounds like you have to subscribe.
Huh? I can't download Redhat software from the Redhat site without subscribing at $60 a year.
Cruise the BSD section of Slashot at -1 threshold for a while. Many stories there will have more Linux-fanboy posts than ontopic posts.
I'm confused. Unless I'm missing something really obvious, the alumni association is so far out of line it's not even funny.
If the website is hosted on school property, then the school itself would have a say in the matter. But the alumni association is not the school, no matter how much influence they might have with it. If you're not disregarding any school rules with the website, then I would say ignore the alumnis, politely present your side to the school, then wait for a school administrator to make a decision.
If it's not hosted on school property, then the alumni association can go take a long walk off a short pier. At least be thankful that you learning today what alumni associations are all about, instead of ten years down the road after you've already given them some of your hard earned money.
You can't really blame them though. It's just a reaction to all the Linux fanboys describing Linux as superior, possessing some intangible quality of superiority that FreeBSD would never reach.
If we can negotiate the scary political waters, I'd like to see the various X projects, freedesktop.org, and the desktop environments and applications work together on a single base desktop platform project.
Gee, talk about scary waters indeed! Since Havoc is a Redhat guy, I'm wondering if he means that Redhat should be the standard desktop platform. What does that do to SuSE and Mandrake? Heck, what does it do to non-Linux platforms?
Right now Gnome and KDE run on Solaris, AIX, *BSD, IRIX, etc. Not just Linux. Not just Redhat. Gnome and KDE run an systems that Havoc has absolutely no control over, and never ever will.
I think the momentum linux has over Unix is a matter of its GPL license, which makes it widely and freely available
Well, you might have a point if there were a whole bunch of proprietary BSD derived systems out there. But that's not true. Thinking about, I can't think of one. Both SunOS and BSD/OS started with AT&T encumbered CSRG code. On the other hand, you have Darwin which is based on free BSD code, and which has been declared Open Source and Free Software by the guys who matter.
The momentum behind Linux has very much to do with the USL lawsuit (the SCO of its day) and extremely little to do with the licensing.
FreeBSD is not superior to Linux. On the other hand, Linux is not superior to FreeBSD. They both have different priorities and goals, and to claim one is better than the other is complete nonsense.
FreeBSD ignored SMP for a long time because frankly there was no one demanding it. When less than 1% of the user base even has a need for it, why bother? They also kept SMP in -CURRENT for a long time instead of throwing it out to the world before it was ready. Linux on the otherhand is obsessed with supporting every piece of hardware out there yesterday, and had SMP about two years before FreeBSD did. But it took a while before it was stable. Both approaches are valid. One focuses on the core stability and the other focuses on the bleeding edge.
One has to be pretty short sighted to expect Solaris to thrive in the future - already it is considered a "legacy" OS...
"Legacy" is a meaningless word today. My new system has a BIOS that refers "Legacy USB". What they heck is legacy USB? It took me a while, but I finally figured out it meant USB 1.0 devices. So in other words, my brand new mouse and keyboard are "legacy" devices. Go figure.
Most new, non-game applications these days are written for the Web.
Which goes a long ways to explain why the software industry is so fscked up nowadays. Crossplatform is great. Server/client is great. But making everything a webapp is brain dead, because not everything needs to be crossplatform and not everything needs to be server/client. Heck, I'll commit a major heresy and declare that not everything needs to have an RDBMS backend!
Maybe the user doesn't want to set up a freaking server. Maybe they don't want all of their information being broadcast all over the web. Maybe they want to be able to use the application when the network is down. Maybe they don't want to buy a subscription to some stupid service, but want to actually use the product they bought without having to get someone's permission first.
BFD! You still didn't answer the question. Do you really think someone who sits in front of a full screen VT102 terminall all day is going to go home and say "hey, I need a full screen VT102 terminal here too!"
UPS used OS/2 for the longest time. Heck, they still might be using it. But I never met any UPS worker that used OS/2 at home. They never said to themselves, "hey, I can wave my little brown pad by that terminal and it automatically uploads my route, I need this at home!"
I'm still using C++. But I have been told by my boss that in 2005 I will have to start writing my hard real time embedded code using C# and .NET. Sigh. I'm dreading the day Microsoft announces DSP.NET...