I love that the link goes to a 404 page... the fact is that MS is discontinuing support for a 10 year old version of an OS. No one else to my knowledge supports an OS as old as XP at the level Microsoft has since Vista and 7 were released. Don't get me wrong, I'll use RHEL or Ubuntu any day over XP or 7 for that matter... but credit is due when credit is due.
Missing trailing slash in the link, my mistake, this should work unless something is actively stripping them.
In relation to Microsoft, I wasn't making any comment about them at all - indeed they do deserve credit for the length of support of XP, I didn't say they weren't - the sole point of the reply to the OP was to respond to the directive "Find me a Linux distro that supports 10 year old versions" - which I attempted to do, however poorly.
If the link does not work again - here is a snippet which may be relevant.
"Every major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux is maintained and supported independently during the 10 year Life Cycle."
> and they suck compared to what the iPhone offers by most peoples version of the story.
I've no axe to grind for any of them - I love the iPhone UI (and much of OS X for that matter), a real pleasure and have been a Mac user for on and off for years - but asserting they 'suck' in comparison is probably stretching it a bit... i've heard positive comments both ways from iPhone and Android users about each others interface, and my preference is for the iPhone one (and i'm more used to it as well) personally - but that sort of reasonable assessment is probably not what you'd want to hear - is it ?
> You know, those OSS phones are just taking over the world aren't they.
Taking over the world - nope, not at the moment, perhaps never - didn't say they were and I don't really care if they do or not. Selling rather well - yes, i'd say so. Why are _you_ so bitter about it ?
"the open source and free software movements haven't produced anything remotely as useful as... the iPhone"
I'm not sure whether this is due to the difficulty getting make and gcc to construct things out of plastic, metal and semi-conductors - or a lack of configure options...
If *only* there were a freely available OS to us on phones that wasn't from Apple - hmmm
I take issue with a number of things here...
A) Is this 1/5th immobile? Can they not hop a commuter train to the suburbs or something?
Um - no... well at least not in the UK. We don't appear to have lots of these 'commuter trains' of which you speak - neither are we automatically supplied with driving licenses and automobiles when we turn 11 (or something similar - must be true, i've seen it on the TV). We mostly have, here, something called 'buses', which works like any regular form of transport except for giving you the ability to move from where you are, to where you want to be, in any reasonable time period. These generally operate in and around the cities, which won't really get you to anywhere without light pollution anyway... this is because of all the lights in the cities here. The lights are on to stop all the people who live in the cities bumping into each other at night, and there are a LOT of people in them. They probably moved to the cities as there are an awful lot of buildings in them which were probably easier to fill up than constructing their own somewhere 'out in the sticks'.
This can make it quite difficult for some folk to get out of the cities - and hence to somewhere where they can see things in the sky at night
I'd really like to know. I know that when I go out to see Dad in Wyoming the difference is absolutely noticeable, but I've always assumed that the same could be gained by finding some road-side location out in 'the sticks'.
We do have some road-side locations, a few of which are "out in 'the sticks'" - but not always the ability to get there at all easily. Perhaps we need to be more like Wyoming, or something. That's the problem with most of the world you see - it's often infuriatingly different from where you live.
i have seen way to many people wonder if moblin is for mobile phones whenever moblin have shown up in relation to some topic or other.
..which it may well do as the gap between smart-phone and MID narrow, which is happening very quickly at the moment. I don't have any problem people wondering, as long as they at least try and do the most cursory of checks - something the parent obviously hadn't bothered doing
in the end, one start to wonder if a lot of the confusion would stop if they renamed it to something without mob(ile) in the name.
I personally don't have a problem with it as the first thing I thought when I heard the name, when first released, was 'mobile ? OK - what mobile things does it run on ?' rather than 'Mobile linux == phones'.... but others obviously have their own point-of-view. Part of my annoyance was the apparent (see below) lack of checking done before asserting 'The Name Is Bad', but mainly I took umbridge about the assertion that the name is bad because people would actually have to check what something was before making comments about it.
and im not sure who of us is shooting from the hip based on assumptions...
The parent poster seemed to think it would/might run on phones - true. But they didn't criticise the name based on their assumption - as you did... nor do you have to blindly follow their lead. Learn to take responsibility or, better still, perhaps read up on the subject before making comments ?
Just a thought
Hmmm 'Mob(ile) Lin(ux)' - for mobile internet devices running Linux.. seems well named. The only flaw seems to be you assuming that it's named after mobile phones.
From the website http://moblin.org/,
Moblin is an open source project focused on building a Linux-based platform optimized for the next generation of mobile devices including Netbooks, Mobile Internet Devices, and In-vehicle infotainment systems.
Agreed that MobPhLin would be a bad name for it however.
..and maybe the big differentiation is that Phorm intercept the data stream, hence much of the outcry in Europe, to find keywords of interest - whereas this is really only a monitor of users behaviour (sites and pages visited). Whether you like any monitoring at all is up to you, but they are radically different beasts.
If you want to roll your own, the motherboard/CPU + gOS bundle is still available from http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4842001
for $60 incl. free ground shipping (and, I guess, whatever tax thing gets applied.. as a Brit that still sometimes confuses)
Stick of RAM, flash drive, pico PSU & power brick - and you'd have quite a nice, and silent box..
I bet a clone of Ubuntu, but what are the key differences,
Wow - great guess, wonder how you managed that ? If you got that far then perhaps you could have looked a little closer and actually read something for yourself. If Google is a little beyond you here is a helper http://www.thinkgos.com/index.html
and why such a horrible name?
*shrug* One mans wart..
The starting 'g' may be a hint and if you look at, hmmmm let me think - almost any of the news about gOS that may be a bigger help.
Sorry to come across rude mate - but if you want to know a bit why don't you just get off your arse and have at least a cursory look ?
"Of course, going the other direction would be nice, too."
That's already there for Unix clients -> Windows servers running terminal services, via rdesktop (http://www.rdesktop.org and the project site at Sourceforge). Admittedly that terminal services caveat may be a gating issue for a home network, but for many networks it's not a problem. Rdesktop is quick, light and works a charm in my experience.
Using the stack/back-tracing abilities in eg. Python and Java, do avoid many of the times you'd have to fire up a debugger in say, C or C++ - in fact this works fine until the bug is actually in ummm Python for instance, where many of us have spent plenty of time..
Who debugs the debuggers ?
..having quickly nipped into the future and seen it, i'm quite impressed.. it looks lovely from the outside and is very easy to use. The bulding used most of the resources in PA and the rest of the continental US ran slow until it finally come up. One of the things I like is the ability to right click on the walls and change the decor from the standard green rolling hill and sky (which, frankly, is a bit confusing when you're first trying to find the place!).
One of the confusing bits is the rooms.. or lack of them.. by default you're only shown the rooms that you've recently used or use most often - this makes the place look tiny for the first couple of hours but if you jump up and down on the double arrows on the floor or squint/real hard/ the rest of the rooms suddenly appear - man that place is *big*.. which is where the auto-completion of walking can be a huge help - start to stroll in a direction you've been before and it'll try and whoooooosh you to where it thinks you want to go....bloody unpractical but great fun none the less:o)..shame that 2 days after I saw it, the whole place crashed and wiped out the last 7 generations of students who hadn't backed themselves up... ah well..
Slashdot Mirror
..maybe write a test or two, if there was time.
I was going to suggest using it to replace Unity.. so I could have Webian on Debian.
Luckily I thought better of it before posting.
Find me a Linux distro that supports 10 year old versions, on the desktop.
These cowboys might I guess....
I love that the link goes to a 404 page... the fact is that MS is discontinuing support for a 10 year old version of an OS. No one else to my knowledge supports an OS as old as XP at the level Microsoft has since Vista and 7 were released. Don't get me wrong, I'll use RHEL or Ubuntu any day over XP or 7 for that matter... but credit is due when credit is due.
Missing trailing slash in the link, my mistake, this should work unless something is actively stripping them.
In relation to Microsoft, I wasn't making any comment about them at all - indeed they do deserve credit for the length of support of XP, I didn't say they weren't - the sole point of the reply to the OP was to respond to the directive "Find me a Linux distro that supports 10 year old versions" - which I attempted to do, however poorly.
If the link does not work again - here is a snippet which may be relevant.
"Every major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux is maintained and supported independently during the 10 year Life Cycle."
Find me a Linux distro that supports 10 year old versions, on the desktop.
These cowboys might I guess....
"Just because you people screwed up your calendar so you do not have Pi day, is not our fault."
Ah but we do, it's just not today, it's the 22nd of July
> There are multiple, yes, we know,
The OP didn't appear to - now did he ?
> and they suck compared to what the iPhone offers by most peoples version of the story.
I've no axe to grind for any of them - I love the iPhone UI (and much of OS X for that matter), a real pleasure and have been a Mac user for on and off for years - but asserting they 'suck' in comparison is probably stretching it a bit... i've heard positive comments both ways from iPhone and Android users about each others interface, and my preference is for the iPhone one (and i'm more used to it as well) personally - but that sort of reasonable assessment is probably not what you'd want to hear - is it ?
> You know, those OSS phones are just taking over the world aren't they.
Taking over the world - nope, not at the moment, perhaps never - didn't say they were and I don't really care if they do or not. Selling rather well - yes, i'd say so. Why are _you_ so bitter about it ?
I forgot to add the closing fake irony tag in my post obviously....
"the open source and free software movements haven't produced anything remotely as useful as ... the iPhone"
I'm not sure whether this is due to the difficulty getting make and gcc to construct things out of plastic, metal and semi-conductors - or a lack of configure options...
If *only* there were a freely available OS to us on phones that wasn't from Apple - hmmm
Um - no... well at least not in the UK. We don't appear to have lots of these 'commuter trains' of which you speak - neither are we automatically supplied with driving licenses and automobiles when we turn 11 (or something similar - must be true, i've seen it on the TV). We mostly have, here, something called 'buses', which works like any regular form of transport except for giving you the ability to move from where you are, to where you want to be, in any reasonable time period. These generally operate in and around the cities, which won't really get you to anywhere without light pollution anyway... this is because of all the lights in the cities here. The lights are on to stop all the people who live in the cities bumping into each other at night, and there are a LOT of people in them. They probably moved to the cities as there are an awful lot of buildings in them which were probably easier to fill up than constructing their own somewhere 'out in the sticks'.
This can make it quite difficult for some folk to get out of the cities - and hence to somewhere where they can see things in the sky at night
We do have some road-side locations, a few of which are "out in 'the sticks'" - but not always the ability to get there at all easily. Perhaps we need to be more like Wyoming, or something. That's the problem with most of the world you see - it's often infuriatingly different from where you live.
I personally don't have a problem with it as the first thing I thought when I heard the name, when first released, was 'mobile ? OK - what mobile things does it run on ?' rather than 'Mobile linux == phones'.... but others obviously have their own point-of-view. Part of my annoyance was the apparent (see below) lack of checking done before asserting 'The Name Is Bad', but mainly I took umbridge about the assertion that the name is bad because people would actually have to check what something was before making comments about it.
Fair point
The parent poster seemed to think it would/might run on phones - true. But they didn't criticise the name based on their assumption - as you did... nor do you have to blindly follow their lead. Learn to take responsibility or, better still, perhaps read up on the subject before making comments ? Just a thought
Hmmm 'Mob(ile) Lin(ux)' - for mobile internet devices running Linux.. seems well named. The only flaw seems to be you assuming that it's named after mobile phones. From the website http://moblin.org/,
Agreed that MobPhLin would be a bad name for it however.
..and maybe the big differentiation is that Phorm intercept the data stream, hence much of the outcry in Europe, to find keywords of interest - whereas this is really only a monitor of users behaviour (sites and pages visited). Whether you like any monitoring at all is up to you, but they are radically different beasts.
damn..i'll just quietly mod myself down for not seeing the Pogoplug link in the linuxdevices article
Obligatory EE Times link with a slightly different emphasis..
http://eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=214502566
which has a link to another implementation (for remote USB access) available for pre-order at $ 79
http://pogoplug.com/
If you want to roll your own, the motherboard/CPU + gOS bundle is still available from http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4842001 for $60 incl. free ground shipping (and, I guess, whatever tax thing gets applied.. as a Brit that still sometimes confuses)
Stick of RAM, flash drive, pico PSU & power brick - and you'd have quite a nice, and silent box..
http://www.thinkgos.com/index.html
*shrug* One mans wart..
The starting 'g' may be a hint and if you look at, hmmmm let me think - almost any of the news about gOS that may be a bigger help.
Sorry to come across rude mate - but if you want to know a bit why don't you just get off your arse and have at least a cursory look ?
No. There, that was easy !
It's like the packet of crisps that says "Is there a 20 pound note in here !!?" - the answer should always be 'No'.
Except maybe for one person.
sed -e 's/crisps/potato chips/' -e 's/pound/dollar/'
Cheers - that would indeed be what I intended.. think my brain was still on the 'commercial' earlier in the paragraph.
"Of course, going the other direction would be nice, too."
That's already there for Unix clients -> Windows servers running terminal services, via rdesktop (http://www.rdesktop.org and the project site at Sourceforge). Admittedly that terminal services caveat may be a gating issue for a home network, but for many networks it's not a problem. Rdesktop is quick, light and works a charm in my experience.
Using the stack/back-tracing abilities in eg. Python and Java, do avoid many of the times you'd have to fire up a debugger in say, C or C++ - in fact this works fine until the bug is actually in ummm Python for instance, where many of us have spent plenty of time.. Who debugs the debuggers ?
..having quickly nipped into the future and seen it, i'm quite impressed.. it looks lovely from the outside and is very easy to use. The bulding used most of the resources in PA and the rest of the continental US ran slow until it finally come up. One of the things I like is the ability to right click on the walls and change the decor from the standard green rolling hill and sky (which, frankly, is a bit confusing when you're first trying to find the place!). One of the confusing bits is the rooms.. or lack of them.. by default you're only shown the rooms that you've recently used or use most often - this makes the place look tiny for the first couple of hours but if you jump up and down on the double arrows on the floor or squint /real hard/ the rest of the rooms suddenly appear - man that place is *big*.. which is where the auto-completion of walking can be a huge help - start to stroll in a direction you've been before and it'll try and whoooooosh you to where it thinks you want to go.. ..bloody unpractical but great fun none the less :o) ..shame that 2 days after I saw it, the whole place crashed and wiped out the last 7 generations of students who hadn't backed themselves up... ah well..