'We don't expect to make Ximian the default user interface, and for the medium term KDE will remain the default GUI on SuSE Linux.'
In other words, on the long term KDE will not remain the default GUI.
Correction: In the long term KDE may not remain the default GUI. This just isn't planned out yet and they'll see how the market and their products develop.
Would that include the free Solaris license you can get by downloading it from Sun, or just a license for SCO's own Unix?
Just SCO's own UNIX. I did mention this when Slashdot was talking about Google being sued (as if) but I'm only the chairman of Canopy, nobody listems to me.
The secretaries who used DOS may have no problem whatsoever using a new program or even a new OS.
I'm just glad the secretaries where I work survived the epidemic in the '90s that wiped out all the other secretaies that knew what they were doing.
Maybe we just pay for decent staff and get decent staff or something, but I think at least three quarters of our secretaries ARE ones that were using DOS.
I know I'm getting older but we're not talking ancient history here.
None of the secretaries I worked with had any trouble using DOS or earlier versions of Windows. They used the arcane key sequences in early word processors and later managed the transition to GUIs without a hitch. They were using computers before most of the workforce in many offices.
The idea that secretaries are typically technically incompetent is one of the strangest ideas that persist around tech web sites.
They're "pussyfooting around" and not "posting it on billboards" because they might not achieve the target. How many IT projects fail or overrun badly, even at IBM do you think?
So what becomes a tough internal target to meet can become a PR failure for a product they're trying to push.
"We're increasingly using Linux on our own desktops" is good.
"We're now using Linux on all our desktops" is great.
"Weren't you going to have Linux on all your systems by now? What happened to that?" is a disaster.
Wrong, sorry. Their stock value doesn't influence their cash flow directly, nor the amount of cash in bank.
As stated above, we're paying Boies Schiller and Flexner primarily in stock. That was $7.9 million in sotck just in relation to the RBC / Baystar deal. If we had to pay all that in cash we'd quickly run out of money all together.
How, exaclty, would this cause SCO to lose money and not be able to afford lawyers? I mean, I'm not stock genius, and admittedly know little of such things, but doesn't the stock price matter to their current finances only when they are going to be selling off some stock to raise money?
I can understand them not allowing him in, I just can't imagine what would possess him to do something so stupid. It seems likely that he'd be more likely to have actually got himself a new hireling if he'd handled it intelligently like phoning and suggesting a meeting. What would you think if a representative of a competitor decided to come round to your place of work to dicuss hiring you away? It's just an unbelievably stupid approach to the situation.
(humoursly enough bill was not allowed in the building and had to send the chaufer to talk to dave)
That doesn't sound very likely. Where wasn't he allowed and why did he send his chauffeur? Had his phone been disconnected or something?
If you mean he, as a prospective employer, tried to meet Dave Cutler at his current place of employment then I can understand his not being let in but why would his chauffeur have been allowed and why would he try something so stupid anyway?
after google, the next major companies would be hosting companies, akamai, and some of the big film studios. when will SCO learn though?
No, you're thinking along the wrong lines entirely.
The plan is to sue a lincensee of SCO UNIX that is also using Linux (not Google or anything like them). They will be sued for breach of their licensing conditions, probably something like using SCO licensed libraries in conjunction with Linux instalations in such a way that they exceed their licensed number of installations.
The suit will not directly relate to the fact that they are using Linux but in the press releases emphasis will be put on the fact that they're Linux users that are being sued.
That's right. If you choose to license your copy of QT under the GPL then you can use it with GPL'd programs but not with any other software. If you choose to license it under the QPL then you can use it with most free software, but not with GPL or proprietary products.
For a future release, Canopy are working on a way to let you install QT three times each under a different license giving you the maximum flexibility in the software you can install with it. Until then, we advise against using QT in a mixed license environment without first taking legal advice.
1) Impersonating an officer 2) Threats to detain 3) Theft by intimidation (in the UK it is a crime to go up and make someone 'agree' by threats of force)
Not convinced by any of that.
What they're doing is straight forward blackmail. "Give me a bunch of stuff of yours (CDs in this case, albeit ones allegedly containing pirated content) or I'll tell the police about your alleged crimes.
Blackmail, plain and simple and a much more serious offense than copyright infringement.
The average person expects Mars to be red, if they don't make it red people will not think its Mars. It's not really that they are 'lying' or anything, its just that the average person is too ignorant for them to want to deal with the hassle of everyone wanting to know why the pictures are not red.
I'm sure glad my taxes are being spent reinforcing people's incorrect beliefs instead of being wasted on education and elightenment.
the median is the least useful expression of an average and is rarely used except in certain situation because, say out of a 100 values you have 98 * 5, 1 * 3 and 1 * 1, this will leave you with a median of 3!... now that'd leave you with a distribution in which 98% of values are above average!!!
You could say the same thing about the mean. Far more than 98% of the population have an above average number of noses (where average=arithmetic mean). That doesn't mean that the mean isn't useful, and your example doesn't show that the median isn't useful, just that it's easy to find examples where neither is useful.
What's the diff? They both WILL screw us over at every opportunity!
Yes they will, because they've learned that everyone will let them get away with it.
If you want to change that then the first step is to take the approach of "I don't care what the other guy probably WOULD have done, this one was in power, this one did lie to me, this one is being kicked out".
Make no secret of the fact that you'll vote them out once they've proved themselves untrustworthy, and then do it.
Yeah, you can't guarantee everyone will do the same but you can at least make a start. Be a part of a new trend.
If enough people take this approach then eventually it will work.
The reason politicians are lying deceitful scum is because it WORKS. It gets them elected. Start changing that.
Learn something about research, share amounts and who controls a company.
Agreed. Company law is quite definite on this point, the company is controlled by its Board of Directors. How anyone could think that Canopy has any influence over Trolltech is beyond me.
I'd prefer to see something that made QT Apps look like GTK.
That's right. We've got a big group of people who use GTK and also the occasional QT program and another big group of people who use QT and also the occasional GTK program. And a bunch of other groups too.
So ideally it would be nice to have a system that let QT apps fit in GTK apps, as you say you'd like, and a system that lets GTK apps fit in with QT apps which is what was announced here. Well this means that we're part way there. Doesn't resolve every issue, but it's progress.
It doesn't replace GTK widgets with QT widgets, it just changes the drawing style so they look consistent.
This may not be useful to you but if you think that someday you might like an engine that lets QT programs fit in better with your GTK desktop then you can see that this is good for people who are in the opposite position.
It may not help everyone, but it helps some of them. That's still good, right?
No. Bluecurve is one widget style under QT and another under GTK, that have been designed to look the same as one another.
This system is quite different to that, it gets GTK to effectively draw widgets in the same style as the QT theme, regardless of which QT theme you're using.
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'We don't expect to make Ximian the default user interface, and for the medium term KDE will remain the default GUI on SuSE Linux.'
In other words, on the long term KDE will not remain the default GUI.
Correction: In the long term KDE may not remain the default GUI. This just isn't planned out yet and they'll see how the market and their products develop.
I doubt paypal will be an option :) but the fund will seek individual contributions as well as corporate ones. OSDL are still finalising the details.
Would that include the free Solaris license you can get by downloading it from Sun, or just a license for SCO's own Unix?
Just SCO's own UNIX. I did mention this when Slashdot was talking about Google being sued (as if) but I'm only the chairman of Canopy, nobody listems to me.
The secretaries who used DOS may have no problem whatsoever using a new program or even a new OS.
I'm just glad the secretaries where I work survived the epidemic in the '90s that wiped out all the other secretaies that knew what they were doing.
Maybe we just pay for decent staff and get decent staff or something, but I think at least three quarters of our secretaries ARE ones that were using DOS.
I know I'm getting older but we're not talking ancient history here.
None of the secretaries I worked with had any trouble using DOS or earlier versions of Windows. They used the arcane key sequences in early word processors and later managed the transition to GUIs without a hitch. They were using computers before most of the workforce in many offices.
The idea that secretaries are typically technically incompetent is one of the strangest ideas that persist around tech web sites.
They're "pussyfooting around" and not "posting it on billboards" because they might not achieve the target. How many IT projects fail or overrun badly, even at IBM do you think?
So what becomes a tough internal target to meet can become a PR failure for a product they're trying to push.
"We're increasingly using Linux on our own desktops" is good.
"We're now using Linux on all our desktops" is great.
"Weren't you going to have Linux on all your systems by now? What happened to that?" is a disaster.
Wrong, sorry. Their stock value doesn't influence their cash flow directly, nor the amount of cash in bank.
As stated above, we're paying Boies Schiller and Flexner primarily in stock. That was $7.9 million in sotck just in relation to the RBC / Baystar deal. If we had to pay all that in cash we'd quickly run out of money all together.
$1 million in stock plus $7.9 million in stock
I meant to say $1 million in CASH and $7.9 million in stock.
How, exaclty, would this cause SCO to lose money and not be able to afford lawyers? I mean, I'm not stock genius, and admittedly know little of such things, but doesn't the stock price matter to their current finances only when they are going to be selling off some stock to raise money?
We're paying our lawyers primarily in stock. $1 million in stock plus $7.9 million in stock to Boise, Schiller and Flexner following the RBC / Baystar deal.
I can understand them not allowing him in, I just can't imagine what would possess him to do something so stupid. It seems likely that he'd be more likely to have actually got himself a new hireling if he'd handled it intelligently like phoning and suggesting a meeting. What would you think if a representative of a competitor decided to come round to your place of work to dicuss hiring you away? It's just an unbelievably stupid approach to the situation.
(humoursly enough bill was not allowed in the building and had to send the chaufer to talk to dave)
That doesn't sound very likely. Where wasn't he allowed and why did he send his chauffeur? Had his phone been disconnected or something?
If you mean he, as a prospective employer, tried to meet Dave Cutler at his current place of employment then I can understand his not being let in but why would his chauffeur have been allowed and why would he try something so stupid anyway?
after google, the next major companies would be hosting companies, akamai, and some of the big film studios. when will SCO learn though?
No, you're thinking along the wrong lines entirely.
The plan is to sue a lincensee of SCO UNIX that is also using Linux (not Google or anything like them). They will be sued for breach of their licensing conditions, probably something like using SCO licensed libraries in conjunction with Linux instalations in such a way that they exceed their licensed number of installations.
The suit will not directly relate to the fact that they are using Linux but in the press releases emphasis will be put on the fact that they're Linux users that are being sued.
That depends on what license you pick for Qt.
That's right. If you choose to license your copy of QT under the GPL then you can use it with GPL'd programs but not with any other software. If you choose to license it under the QPL then you can use it with most free software, but not with GPL or proprietary products.
For a future release, Canopy are working on a way to let you install QT three times each under a different license giving you the maximum flexibility in the software you can install with it. Until then, we advise against using QT in a mixed license environment without first taking legal advice.
1) Impersonating an officer
2) Threats to detain
3) Theft by intimidation (in the UK it is a crime to go up and make someone 'agree' by threats of force)
Not convinced by any of that.
What they're doing is straight forward blackmail. "Give me a bunch of stuff of yours (CDs in this case, albeit ones allegedly containing pirated content) or I'll tell the police about your alleged crimes.
Blackmail, plain and simple and a much more serious offense than copyright infringement.
The average person expects Mars to be red, if they don't make it red people will not think its Mars. It's not really that they are 'lying' or anything, its just that the average person is too ignorant for them to want to deal with the hassle of everyone wanting to know why the pictures are not red.
I'm sure glad my taxes are being spent reinforcing people's incorrect beliefs instead of being wasted on education and elightenment.
the median is the least useful expression of an average and is rarely used except in certain situation because, say out of a 100 values you have 98 * 5, 1 * 3 and 1 * 1, this will leave you with a median of 3!... now that'd leave you with a distribution in which 98% of values are above average!!!
You could say the same thing about the mean. Far more than 98% of the population have an above average number of noses (where average=arithmetic mean). That doesn't mean that the mean isn't useful, and your example doesn't show that the median isn't useful, just that it's easy to find examples where neither is useful.
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Remember, these people are not on your side.
;)
Speak for yourself, Sheep
What's the diff? They both WILL screw us over at every opportunity!
Yes they will, because they've learned that everyone will let them get away with it.
If you want to change that then the first step is to take the approach of "I don't care what the other guy probably WOULD have done, this one was in power, this one did lie to me, this one is being kicked out".
Make no secret of the fact that you'll vote them out once they've proved themselves untrustworthy, and then do it.
Yeah, you can't guarantee everyone will do the same but you can at least make a start. Be a part of a new trend.
If enough people take this approach then eventually it will work.
The reason politicians are lying deceitful scum is because it WORKS. It gets them elected. Start changing that.
Thanks for the tip.
Canopy owns 4.1% of Trolltech. The vast majority (64.7%) is owned by the employees.
Yes, as one of those employees I can assure you that this idea of Canopy having some sort of influence over Trolltech is entirely absurd.
Learn something about research, share amounts and who controls a company.
Agreed. Company law is quite definite on this point, the company is controlled by its Board of Directors. How anyone could think that Canopy has any influence over Trolltech is beyond me.
I'd prefer to see something that made QT Apps look like GTK.
That's right. We've got a big group of people who use GTK and also the occasional QT program and another big group of people who use QT and also the occasional GTK program. And a bunch of other groups too.
So ideally it would be nice to have a system that let QT apps fit in GTK apps, as you say you'd like, and a system that lets GTK apps fit in with QT apps which is what was announced here. Well this means that we're part way there. Doesn't resolve every issue, but it's progress.
It doesn't replace GTK widgets with QT widgets, it just changes the drawing style so they look consistent.
This may not be useful to you but if you think that someday you might like an engine that lets QT programs fit in better with your GTK desktop then you can see that this is good for people who are in the opposite position.
It may not help everyone, but it helps some of them. That's still good, right?
Isn't this what Redhat's Bluecurve does?
No. Bluecurve is one widget style under QT and another under GTK, that have been designed to look the same as one another.
This system is quite different to that, it gets GTK to effectively draw widgets in the same style as the QT theme, regardless of which QT theme you're using.
I noticed that Vint Cerf was wearing a t-shirt that said "IP on everything".
Yes, we say just the same thing at Canopy and SCO.