Good point, but tell that to the idiots suing gun manufacturers. Or the grandmothers suing McDonald's over hot coffeee. Or people suing violent video game manufacturers. If only our court system were as clear-headed as you...:\
I've been reading ext2 partitions from Windows for years. The software is there (and free), all the vendors have to do is bundle it with their hardware and software. Problem solved, no licensing fees.
If the EU forces MS to take out WMP, then they should also remove Notepad, Calculator, MS Paint, Address Book, Hyperterminal... the list goes on.
How much is the annual market for cheap, no frills text editors, calculators, graphics programs, etc? I think you're talking apples and oranges. With digital music becoming more and more lucrative, MS wants a piece of the codec licensing pie. If they can grab more of that market by muscling out the competition by leveraging their monopoly, they'll do it as long as they can get away with it. The unbundling order is to prevent anotehr Netscape.
Now, as far as pulling those apps go, I that wouldn't bother me too much. I have to install those apps with KDE, so I'm used to that, as well as being used to picking the app I like best. <shrug/>
At any rate, I don't think you're argument makes much sense as far as you were trying to apply it...
It worked with the Gartner report. Linux, from a kernel perspective, is a much more agile "organization" than Microsoft is. Bill and Steve had better watch out. The OSS community will have any valid holes they point out plugged almost as fast as the FUD machine points them out...
Exactly. Just like the story submitter, people will ask, "Is this the beginning of the end for Macromedia?" and not do anything? Why use Flash when I can wait for an "alternative" (that I still have to learn how to use and port any legacy stuff to, yada yada yada) in Windows 2 years from now. Same thing with Linux 2.6. Why use that? I'll be able to query my filesystem with Longhorn. Microsoft promised me!
That's the problem with management by magazine. PHBs are going to read this and sit on their hands waiting for promises to be fulfilled in what is almost certain to be a disappointing, insecure manner. For some reason, that really irritates me.:)
Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but I never refer to them as "email viruses." I call them what they are: Outlook viruses. No other mail reader was affected, so it's hardly fair or accurate to blame email for Microsoft's foibles. Hopefully, by putting "Outlook" and "virus" so close in the same sentence, my friends, family and coworkers will quit using that stupid mail reader. (Candidly, though, there's no way my coworkers will quit using Outlook, because my company all but refuses, it seems, to buy software unless its Microsoft (for Wintel) or IBM (for the iSeries). They won't even consider Domino for some strange reason). At any rate, call a spade a spade! Put the blame where it belongs.:)
With PHP 4.3 (?), the module and CLI versions are both compiled and installed by default. For scripts, you can aslo set the executable bit and put #!/usr/bin/php on the first line, and run it like anything else. You can also create GUI apps with php-gtk. I use it for quite a bit, and find it pretty useful from the command-line.
If you look at Oracle's numbers (I'm assuming Oracle for the sake of argument), you will see that Oracle on Unix, has *always* outperformed Oracle on Windows. For a fair comparison between Sparc and Intel, you should probably run a Unix or Unix-like OS on both machines. Windows only handicaps the Intel platform.
There are plenty of hungry Americans that would be more than happy to do that, given there current status. When you take into account that children of illegal immigrants are immediately US citizens (dual nationals, IIRC), those children take jobs from "real" Americans. Granted, it's difficult to punish the children for the sins of fathers, but...
Not to be argumentative, but I believe.NET is a framework, which would put it more in the realm of J2EE (JBoss, WebLogic, etc.) than that of a language like Java. Sorry if I've misstated something here.
Yeah, you're right. I just wasn't as precise as I should have been. The idea I was trying to convey, though, regardless of nomenclature, is that it is not necessary that.Net or an equivalent be part of the OS, despite what MS might want us to think. It's probable that future versions of Windows will use the framework, but that doesn't mean it had to be integrated (or should?) <shrug>
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I think the reason this mindset exists is because Microsoft has blurred the definition of what an OS is. According to MS, the OS is a hardware abstraction layer, plus a 3D graphics library, a web browser, media player, etc. All of those things can and probably should be solved in user space. I think once we realize, as plover suggested, that the OS should be pretty minimalistic, we can get past the "go somewhere" mentality. We need a fast, stable, secure OS, that keeps up with current technology/hardware..Net, etc., which is really just a programming paradigm, can and has been solved in user space, a la Java.
At my company, we even had a UPS tech forget to configure the UPS correctly when he was changing out some fans on the machine. He flipped the switch, and there went our machine room. He took out a couple of SQL Servers, and handful of Linux boxes, some random Windows servers, and a huge iSeries 820 (AS/400). Nothing is 100%.
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Good point, but tell that to the idiots suing gun manufacturers. Or the grandmothers suing McDonald's over hot coffeee. Or people suing violent video game manufacturers. If only our court system were as clear-headed as you... :\
jason
This link (from download.com) works:
WinAmp 5.0 Full
I've been reading ext2 partitions from Windows for years. The software is there (and free), all the vendors have to do is bundle it with their hardware and software. Problem solved, no licensing fees.
Ext2 is free :)
If the EU forces MS to take out WMP, then they should also remove Notepad, Calculator, MS Paint, Address Book, Hyperterminal... the list goes on.
How much is the annual market for cheap, no frills text editors, calculators, graphics programs, etc? I think you're talking apples and oranges. With digital music becoming more and more lucrative, MS wants a piece of the codec licensing pie. If they can grab more of that market by muscling out the competition by leveraging their monopoly, they'll do it as long as they can get away with it. The unbundling order is to prevent anotehr Netscape.
Now, as far as pulling those apps go, I that wouldn't bother me too much. I have to install those apps with KDE, so I'm used to that, as well as being used to picking the app I like best. <shrug/>
At any rate, I don't think you're argument makes much sense as far as you were trying to apply it...
jason
It worked with the Gartner report. Linux, from a kernel perspective, is a much more agile "organization" than Microsoft is. Bill and Steve had better watch out. The OSS community will have any valid holes they point out plugged almost as fast as the FUD machine points them out...
jason
Exactly. Just like the story submitter, people will ask, "Is this the beginning of the end for Macromedia?" and not do anything? Why use Flash when I can wait for an "alternative" (that I still have to learn how to use and port any legacy stuff to, yada yada yada) in Windows 2 years from now. Same thing with Linux 2.6. Why use that? I'll be able to query my filesystem with Longhorn. Microsoft promised me!
:)
That's the problem with management by magazine. PHBs are going to read this and sit on their hands waiting for promises to be fulfilled in what is almost certain to be a disappointing, insecure manner. For some reason, that really irritates me.
jason
reduce the number of email viruses
:)
Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but I never refer to them as "email viruses." I call them what they are: Outlook viruses. No other mail reader was affected, so it's hardly fair or accurate to blame email for Microsoft's foibles. Hopefully, by putting "Outlook" and "virus" so close in the same sentence, my friends, family and coworkers will quit using that stupid mail reader. (Candidly, though, there's no way my coworkers will quit using Outlook, because my company all but refuses, it seems, to buy software unless its Microsoft (for Wintel) or IBM (for the iSeries). They won't even consider Domino for some strange reason). At any rate, call a spade a spade! Put the blame where it belongs.
jason
Since the Grammar Nazi (no pun intended, folks!) doesn't seem to be around anymore, I'll say it. I would expect more from an "editor":
Like the zealots he speaks of, he goes to far, but he does make legitimate points that the Open Source community has wrestled with in the past.
Should probably be, "Like the zealots of which he speaks, he goes too far..." but this is slashdot.
With PHP 4.3 (?), the module and CLI versions are both compiled and installed by default. For scripts, you can aslo set the executable bit and put #!/usr/bin/php on the first line, and run it like anything else. You can also create GUI apps with php-gtk. I use it for quite a bit, and find it pretty useful from the command-line.
jason
If you look at Oracle's numbers (I'm assuming Oracle for the sake of argument), you will see that Oracle on Unix, has *always* outperformed Oracle on Windows. For a fair comparison between Sparc and Intel, you should probably run a Unix or Unix-like OS on both machines. Windows only handicaps the Intel platform.
jason
I hope they call their next chip the Beeblebrox...
jason
I was thinking more like the opening scene of The Empire Strikes Back where those drones are all over Hoth. 8-)
jason
There are plenty of hungry Americans that would be more than happy to do that, given there current status. When you take into account that children of illegal immigrants are immediately US citizens (dual nationals, IIRC), those children take jobs from "real" Americans. Granted, it's difficult to punish the children for the sins of fathers, but...
jason
Except jobs.
jason
Because a well paid middle class is a political threat?
Ah! It's a vast rich-wing conspiracy! Silly me not to see the class warfare in all of this.
Good grief...
jason
You should read The Mythical Man Month, and then rethink your question.
jason
Until your cable company decides to try to stop you from doing that. It could happen. Or they could at least try... ;)
jason
Don't laugh. It worked for Cobra. ;)
jason
Mozilla 1.4 is out too. jason
Fyoder didn't just toss off a few words, but put some real time and energy into his answers.
/. interviews...
Obviously, Fyoder hasn't read the Captain Kirk book on
jason
Doesn't scale? I guess someone had better tell Yahoo.
jason
Not to be argumentative, but I believe .NET is a framework, which would put it more in the realm of J2EE (JBoss, WebLogic, etc.) than that of a language like Java. Sorry if I've misstated something here.
.Net or an equivalent be part of the OS, despite what MS might want us to think. It's probable that future versions of Windows will use the framework, but that doesn't mean it had to be integrated (or should?) <shrug>
Yeah, you're right. I just wasn't as precise as I should have been. The idea I was trying to convey, though, regardless of nomenclature, is that it is not necessary that
jason
I think the reason this mindset exists is because Microsoft has blurred the definition of what an OS is. According to MS, the OS is a hardware abstraction layer, plus a 3D graphics library, a web browser, media player, etc. All of those things can and probably should be solved in user space. I think once we realize, as plover suggested, that the OS should be pretty minimalistic, we can get past the "go somewhere" mentality. We need a fast, stable, secure OS, that keeps up with current technology/hardware. .Net, etc., which is really just a programming paradigm, can and has been solved in user space, a la Java.
jason
At my company, we even had a UPS tech forget to configure the UPS correctly when he was changing out some fans on the machine. He flipped the switch, and there went our machine room. He took out a couple of SQL Servers, and handful of Linux boxes, some random Windows servers, and a huge iSeries 820 (AS/400). Nothing is 100%.
jason