" LQ) With the recent compromises of both Debian, Gentoo and Savannah is there any concern inside Red Hat that you may also be targeted?
JH) We are above all that. We rule, we are invincible.
Ahem. Sorry."
as long as it remains only a joking affair I suppose it's ok for RedHat to say that:-/... I sometimes do fear that they're growing more toward the Microsoft side of computing- but that's why Open Source is so great. If they do become Billy's little brother, we all have the option of going for another distribution:-)
from the article:
"The software license adopted by the GPL is called "copy left " by its authors. This is because the GPL has the effect of requiring free and open access to Linux (and other) software code and prohibits any proprietary use thereof. As a result, the GPL is exactly opposite in its effect from the "copy right " laws adopted by the US Congress and the European Union."
This makes it seem as though software writers are being persecuted by having their code forcibly ripped from their hands and given away for free. What new (or revivalist?) idiocy is this? They left out the whole part where the creator chooses to release it under the GPL or not.
From Linuxtoday.com:
"The GPL is based on copyright law, unlike the 'shrink wrap' licences we are familiar with, which are based on contract law. Most countries worldwide have signed the Berne Copyright Convention, which protects software automatically upon creation. So the GPL has a more solid international grounding than if it were based on contract law, which can vary greatly from country to country..."
it makes me wonder how they thought they were going to win in the first place
I don't really think they had much of a chance to begin with, but because of economic downturns they decided they wouldn't be going down without a fight, or at least a gasping, death-throw-like struggle... like waving your arms and legs when you're falling off a cliff. It won't help you at all, but hey- why not? Unfortunatley, they decided to fight the bad fight.
Despite all this, I agree with your position of our survival wholeheartedly. Because of the diversity of contributors, Open Source is like sand- they can try to scoop it up all they want, but it'll just slip through their fingers.
It seems that the more people argue over intellectual property and now simple collections of facts, the more I find myself questioning property in a more general sense. What exactly is property? All these litigations are attempting to define it's edges, but to their own ends. There needs to be a distinction between what a person owns (house, car, dental floss, etc) and what a person has creditied to him/her (a book, music, anything reproducable really). From there, perhaps it will be easier to decide how the ownerships and credits of such things are to be handled... but not before.
"Using facts" seems a little vague to me... but what about bibliographies?
"These data were obtained from....."
This is already how we do it when getting facts from books; isn't that good enough?
What kind of person spends that much time trying to find exploits in operating system kernels? Likewise, why do I spend so much time on www.thinkgeek.com/fortune.shtml? We are a sad people.
Security will definitely be an issue, since with all the transmitting, anyone close enough will be able to pick up the frequencies (though probably not your average joe script kiddie).
Is this idea all that original? It seems to me like this is the kind of thing imagined for wireless communication from the start. We already have wireless communication. We already have programs to monitor things and send data. Is it that inventive just to combine the two?
Is it worth it to compromise what Linux stands for just to gain popularity? And what then? Is it necessary for Linux to become the number 1 operating system? That will only make it a larger target for viruses, and it's not as if Microsoft and the other giants are just going to go away if Linux surpasses them in popularity. They'll still be household names, and people will still buy their products, just as we still buy Linux products. Thus, as long as Linux remains a sizable majority, it will survive , and forgoing principle to acheive greater ends will be unnecessary but for greed (Microsoft, anyone?).
Wow, with all the anti-cellphone propaganda concerning driving and such, its amazing that the telemarketers would stoop so low... no it's not... telemarketing itself is an evil institution, I wouldn't put it past them to harass us during meetings and in our cars.
Now that we have omnipresent video monitoring, we should have omnipotent speakers installed everywhere in the world. That way, when someone sees something bad on the satellite video, they can yell at the person directly.
the riaa claims to have lost millions of dollars. The yearend reports can be found here in pdf format: http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/yearend.asp
note that the sale of cd's has dropped less than 10%, and that the sale of DVD video and DVD audio has risen far more. The riaa doesn't seem to talk about that much, does it?
I find that uniball makes pens that write very nicely, Bic makes very cheap pens if you're going for least cost, but overall, I'd have to recommend always having a word processor.
I don't think there is any limit to how far mankind can progress... Labor omnia vincit. Labor overcomes all. The computers and hardware in most of the shuttles, however, is very outdated. While space travel seems at this stage to be inherently dangerous, perhaps giving the shuttles some new computer components and software would help. [insert pro-Linux comment here].
It seems that SCO is just trying to piss off the Open Source community. Breaches that can't be remedied? How exactly is this possible? Programs can be written hundreds of different ways. I think SCO is making up its rules as it goes along, much like a race I participated in during 5th grade. I clearly won, but my opponent then seated himself and said, "er... you have to sit down too, so I win!" That's no good.
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" LQ) With the recent compromises of both Debian, Gentoo and Savannah is there any concern inside Red Hat that you may also be targeted?
:-/... I sometimes do fear that they're growing more toward the Microsoft side of computing- but that's why Open Source is so great. If they do become Billy's little brother, we all have the option of going for another distribution :-)
JH) We are above all that. We rule, we are invincible.
Ahem. Sorry."
as long as it remains only a joking affair I suppose it's ok for RedHat to say that
from the article:
"The software license adopted by the GPL is called "copy left " by its authors. This is because the GPL has the effect of requiring free and open access to Linux (and other) software code and prohibits any proprietary use thereof. As a result, the GPL is exactly opposite in its effect from the "copy right " laws adopted by the US Congress and the European Union."
This makes it seem as though software writers are being persecuted by having their code forcibly ripped from their hands and given away for free. What new (or revivalist?) idiocy is this? They left out the whole part where the creator chooses to release it under the GPL or not.
From Linuxtoday.com: "The GPL is based on copyright law, unlike the 'shrink wrap' licences we are familiar with, which are based on contract law. Most countries worldwide have signed the Berne Copyright Convention, which protects software automatically upon creation. So the GPL has a more solid international grounding than if it were based on contract law, which can vary greatly from country to country..."
So are we really going there this time? ;)
it makes me wonder how they thought they were going to win in the first place
I don't really think they had much of a chance to begin with, but because of economic downturns they decided they wouldn't be going down without a fight, or at least a gasping, death-throw-like struggle... like waving your arms and legs when you're falling off a cliff. It won't help you at all, but hey- why not? Unfortunatley, they decided to fight the bad fight.
Despite all this, I agree with your position of our survival wholeheartedly. Because of the diversity of contributors, Open Source is like sand- they can try to scoop it up all they want, but it'll just slip through their fingers.
As long as LOTR doesn't EVER become a crappy tv series (probably a cartoon or anime at that)...
I won't have to kill myself.
It seems that the more people argue over intellectual property and now simple collections of facts, the more I find myself questioning property in a more general sense. What exactly is property? All these litigations are attempting to define it's edges, but to their own ends. There needs to be a distinction between what a person owns (house, car, dental floss, etc) and what a person has creditied to him/her (a book, music, anything reproducable really). From there, perhaps it will be easier to decide how the ownerships and credits of such things are to be handled... but not before.
"Using facts" seems a little vague to me... but what about bibliographies? "These data were obtained from....." This is already how we do it when getting facts from books; isn't that good enough?
What kind of person spends that much time trying to find exploits in operating system kernels? Likewise, why do I spend so much time on www.thinkgeek.com/fortune.shtml? We are a sad people.
Security will definitely be an issue, since with all the transmitting, anyone close enough will be able to pick up the frequencies (though probably not your average joe script kiddie).
Is this idea all that original? It seems to me like this is the kind of thing imagined for wireless communication from the start. We already have wireless communication. We already have programs to monitor things and send data. Is it that inventive just to combine the two?
Is it worth it to compromise what Linux stands for just to gain popularity? And what then? Is it necessary for Linux to become the number 1 operating system? That will only make it a larger target for viruses, and it's not as if Microsoft and the other giants are just going to go away if Linux surpasses them in popularity. They'll still be household names, and people will still buy their products, just as we still buy Linux products. Thus, as long as Linux remains a sizable majority, it will survive , and forgoing principle to acheive greater ends will be unnecessary but for greed (Microsoft, anyone?).
I understand the technical reasons for this... but there is no practical reason, since it would probably be very hard to read a book this way.
So the strategy is to give away money to a dying comapny so that it can pursue its dream of vain lawsuits and dishonor?
Every hacker that has broken the law should be freed!
Wow, with all the anti-cellphone propaganda concerning driving and such, its amazing that the telemarketers would stoop so low... no it's not... telemarketing itself is an evil institution, I wouldn't put it past them to harass us during meetings and in our cars.
Now that we have omnipresent video monitoring, we should have omnipotent speakers installed everywhere in the world. That way, when someone sees something bad on the satellite video, they can yell at the person directly.
So I guess my shell-script "thinkgeek fortune grabber" wouldn't cut it.
the riaa claims to have lost millions of dollars. The yearend reports can be found here in pdf format:p
http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/yearend.as
note that the sale of cd's has dropped less than 10%, and that the sale of DVD video and DVD audio has risen far more. The riaa doesn't seem to talk about that much, does it?
come to the other side of computing... join us... don't be afraid!
I find that uniball makes pens that write very nicely, Bic makes very cheap pens if you're going for least cost, but overall, I'd have to recommend always having a word processor.
I don't think there is any limit to how far mankind can progress... Labor omnia vincit. Labor overcomes all. The computers and hardware in most of the shuttles, however, is very outdated. While space travel seems at this stage to be inherently dangerous, perhaps giving the shuttles some new computer components and software would help. [insert pro-Linux comment here].
well you have to ask yourself... which motivates them more: hatred or greed?
It seems that SCO is just trying to piss off the Open Source community. Breaches that can't be remedied? How exactly is this possible? Programs can be written hundreds of different ways. I think SCO is making up its rules as it goes along, much like a race I participated in during 5th grade. I clearly won, but my opponent then seated himself and said, "er... you have to sit down too, so I win!" That's no good.
No, you're probably right about that- it's just the same basic mentality.