This is my third repost, but thats the way I likes it baby...
It's the same idea as the Romans used in having members of their Senate (Their "conscript fathers" as they were sometimes called.) serve for life.
Yes, and that worked out well for them, didn't it?
Okay let me see if I got this straight here. You have a bunch of unelected rich kids who decide what becomes law or not in your country. And thats okay with you. To quote Michael Collins, how did you people ever get an empire? People with very little in common with the common man (and I know a couple of these space cadets personally, so trust me on this) who can't be sacked, whose vested interests are, well, incredibly vested, who leant a new respectability to the concept of inbreeding, these are the yahoos you want with a veto over your laws. Their qualifications? Right surname. Now, I'm not saying this proves English people like to take it up the arse or anything, but it does lend a significant mass to the theorem, taking us one step closer to critical...
I already posted this, but its worth reposting IMHO...
They can decide if a law is really good or bad, not just fashionable.
Okay let me see if I got this straight here. You have a bunch of unelected rich kids who decide what becomes law or not in your country. And thats okay with you. To quote Michael Collins, how did you people ever get an empire? People with very little in common with the common man (and I know a couple of these space cadets personally, so trust me on this) who can't be sacked, whose vested interests are, well, incredibly vested, who leant a new respectability to the concept of inbreeding, these are the yahoos you want with a veto over your laws. Their qualifications? Right surname. Now, I'm not saying this proves English people like to take it up the arse or anything, but it does lend a significant mass to the theorem, taking us one step closer to critical...
Gah I know I shouldn't get involved, I know I shouldn't say anything, I swore I wouldn't, but Jesus H Christ on a two wheel tandem!
credibility and veracity of Ancien Regieme Tories in this principled position.
Okay let me see if I got this straight here. You have a bunch of unelected rich kids who decide what becomes law or not in your country. And thats okay with you. To quote Michael Collins, how did you people ever get an empire? People with very little in common with the common man (and I know a couple of these space cadets personally, so trust me on this) who can't be sacked, whose vested interests are, well, incredibly vested, who leant a new respectability to the concept of inbreeding, these are the yahoos you want with a veto over your laws. Their qualifications? Right surname. Now, I'm not saying this proves English people like to take it up the arse or anything, but it does lend a significant mass to the theorem, taking us one step closer to critical...
Each piece of paper has a unique name, the "file name".
When you are editing the file, the piece of paper is copied into computer memory, which is like a blackboard.
See now you're sticking bits of paper to a blackboard. They'd be asking me did I use glue or a nail around about then. I eventually gave up on the real life analogies and just told them the most direct way I could, if you change the words on the screen you have to put them in the computer, or the screen will forget. Plus we all had a good chuckle at the lackwit monitor. We didn't really have tome to go too in depth into the basics, I was just trying to get them to understand how to make it work, then show them how to do useful work on it.
Lets get this straight; its not hugely popular, its hugely available. The platform wasn't marketed to the masses, it was marketed to the corporate heads of Dell and IBM.
It's just like websites and newspapers lately. Besides some advertizing (that we block in any way we can like using AdBlock), there just isn't much of a revenue stream.
Says you. People are just looking at it the wrong way. Let me put it to you like this. If crowds like combined insurance can sell their dire crap going house to house, a reasonably effective website can surely make money. It all depends on how you sell it. And in my opinion, google has chosen a drastically wrong route that will probably spell their downfall.
This could be the 2nd "dotcom" crash - money has to come from somewhere to fund all this.
Blah. The big problem is payments over the internet. It so happens I have an idea which can resolve that issue, I just haven't had the time to develop it yet. I'll just say that credit cards, banks, and secure socket layers are cutting the nuts off the internet. I'd tell you what I have in mind, but then I'd have to kill you (or lose all potential profit from it, heheh).
Its true I didn't say it wasn't true, but by not saying what was unsaid I was saying what would be the truth if I had said the truth, if indeed I didn't say the truth in the first place. Faith and begorrah.
What manner of shite is this? I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but nyeh.
I have yet to see a large mass of land that is in equilibrium - meaning not degrading fast.
This impending apocalypse you fear seems to have eluded the rest of the world's attention. In the first world at least, stable farming techniques are keeping the land perfectly fertile, and will continue to do so for as long as we want it to.
Underground water levels drop, species disappear, cats and dogs living together, people get fat because they have nowhere to go walking or running or bicycling
Yarr I suspected it was a rebuttal. Not very well put together however. Do you think your caps lock key helps much? I am aware you couldn't literally move the entire population to texas, but in an area the size of. So, now that the blindingly obvious has been pointed out to you...
FOOD TO COME FROM, WATER TO COME FROM, WASTE TO DISPOSE OF, CLOTHES
Blah, food already dealt with. We likewise have vast surpluses in all other areas. Even waste disposal ain't so hard. I'm not advocating the reloaction of everyone on earth to one big city. I'm just saying the earth isn't overpopulated. Still with me? Good man.
Yeah its amazing just how many basic concepts about computers and the internet we take for granted, and how flat-out impossible it is to explain these ideas to people for the first time. I was training young people in south east asia on computers and basic web design (there is a healthy market for that job over there), and some of the concepts are incredibly hard to explain. Okay, here is the computer, good. Now try to describe in simple terms what a file on a hard drive is, and what the ramifications of saving or not saving it are.
Not to say they lacked intelligence, they certainly didn't, they just lacked a context to compare what they were learning with. I eventually settled with explaining that the screen was not smart, and could not remember words typed on it, but you could hide the words in the computer with a save.
Other member states see how Ireland gets revenue from taxes not paid in countries where the actual business was done.
Erm wut? Thats a good trick. As far as I know, if you do business in a country, you pay that country's taxes. If that means a company will go to where tax rates are lowest, then thats where they go. No one is evading taxes. Don't like it, reduce your own tax rates. In a competitive market, it just so happens that Ireland's offer is the most attractive. No one owes Italy, France, or any other country jobs.
Yup, theres plenty of people who would live very happily in a 30 foot by 20 foot house, with a 10 foot by 30 foot garden. That also excludes the fact that not many infants and very old people actually need their own house, cohabiting couples, and so on. Per family unit its about 5 times as much, assuming 5 people in a family.
the earth can barely handle the 6 or so billion people here now
I keep seeing this rubbish pop up, and I keep knocking it down. Repeat after me, the earth is not overpopulated. You could quite comfortably fit the entire population of the planet in the state of texas with a house and a small garden each. Thats one per man woman and child. Move it to family units and you have a nice big house and a decent bit of land. There is a global food surplus, and its massive, I recall back in the 90s there was a lot of talk about the "bread mountains and wine lakes" of the EU. The problem has always been distribution, and the half cocked dictators and fucked up factions messing with it.
Wow. Did you seriously post that? 1973? The treaty was signed in the 1920s. So 50 years later there is a bollocks referendum. FTFA.
The vote resulted in an overwhelming majority for the Unionist side, due to the nationalist boycott, which meant the turnout was only 58.1%.
Sounds like their own free will alright. And the referendum on the good friday agreement was not to embrace union with the UK, it was to embrace a ceasefire, with compromises being made on both sides. I don't know where you learned your history, but I suspect it was in the UK. Remember, ignorance is strength!
So we're ripping out perfectly healthy flesh, slapping a few rivets and i-bars over the bones, and hooking the whole thing up to some sort of alcohol tank. Why not just eschew all the messy surgery and permanent infrastructure needed to keep you rolling, and just put these muscles in an exoskeleton? Mind you, I don't know how effective these are as opposed to pneumatics, in terms of weight you can lift. Modifying any part of the body to give it superhuman strength however will always require a near total body replacement. Hey, when I'm 75, I'll definetely sign up for one, at least until the cloning and brain transplant technology catches up...
Actually there was never a referendum held in the north, nor any of the committees created to discuss the re-integration of north and south, that were promised in the treaty that was signed after years of the British getting their arses kicked by the then IRA. I don't think there was a referendum held in the south either, just provisions made for a free state. Not that a referendum in the north would have meant much either, what with gerrymandering and all that goodness that lead to the current round of troubles.
So you've stopped being polite now? Well, allow me to retort. From the fat waffling its way slowly over your chin, I assume you still have not read the links. So until you have, the only BS around here is whats mingled with the fat. In fact, from the further burblings, I can see you did not even properly read my post, which really is the coup de grace here. Someone mod this troll into oblivion, please.
Yes, the only curvature would be at the very bottom, I reckon. The vast majority would be straight up. I would envision eight or ten loading bays arrayed in arms around the tower, leading into a singe central launch tube, so you could load and prep a good few ships while others are launching. Also the arms could serve a double function as structural support.
The volume of air at the bottom of the tube would need to increase the same amount regardless of the pressure at the top of the tube, so the amount of air rushing in would be the same if the tube were horizontal at sea level, or vertical (more or less... the higher parts of the tube would need less air in the vertical case).
Nono, you see that's the two door airlock system there. As far as air pressure is concerned, the tower starts at the lower door, since that is airtight.
'm not convinced that the energy savings from using an evacuated tube are worth the trouble, or that there would even be a savings.
Well the small bit of research I have done indicates otherwise, I think. And besides, a once off engineering challenge to gain long term advantages in cost and energy for every single launch? That by itself would justify evacuation.
Either way, they haven't figured out how to switch the magnets fast enough to propel things to the speeds needed. I'm not sure what the current top speed is (it's always increasing, and I'm sure they'll get it eventually), but there's still some technology to develop.
I'm not sure about that, as far as I know it would produce some unique engineering challenges, but nothing insurmountable.
Perhaps I missed it while skimming through the discussion, but I saw nothing nothing about bending in the tower.
I'd have to re-read it, but I think they covered that. Windspeed of an average 100mph were discussed and the ramifications covered.
With the number of members I suspect are being discussed here, that would almost absolutely have to be done by computer and it will take a lot of work to set up.
Yes, the scale of an operation like this cannot be undersetimated. Doesn't make it not doable or financially unfeasable, however.
Manufacturing methods - how do you assemble structures 11 kilometers up with 100 mph cross winds?
With great difficulty, I suspect. It would be possible to work from within the tower itself, I suppose, or possibly some sort of an enclosed construction area as you build. Remote robotics would also be an option here. I believe a man recently put together an automated house building device, not too dissimilar.
Joints - joints add weight and the type used affects the strength. Pin joints are ideal but heavier. Welded or bonded joints are lighter but subject to bending stress and more difficult to manufacture and repair, especially in composites.
That level of detail is a bit out of my depth at this point, I'm afraid. That would have to be covered by a feasability study as well.
Coil - The weight of the inductor will not be trivial. Also, I believe there are issues with scaling these things up that maglev train proponents have run up against.
There has already been a great deal of research into high speed maglev in an evacuated tunnel, in the form of a transatalantic undersea train. The cost is fantastical, its not really practical (whereas the tower would probably cost less than the big dig in Boston), but it is capable of reaching something like 1/8th escape velocity. And those designs don't call for a dedicated nuclear reactor or two. As to the weight, they are talking about towers much higher than that in the discussion. If they can build a twenty kilometer tall tower, they can build an 11km tall tower with a maglev rail in it, I reckon.
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This is my third repost, but thats the way I likes it baby...
It's the same idea as the Romans used in having members of their Senate (Their "conscript fathers" as they were sometimes called.) serve for life.
Yes, and that worked out well for them, didn't it? Okay let me see if I got this straight here. You have a bunch of unelected rich kids who decide what becomes law or not in your country. And thats okay with you. To quote Michael Collins, how did you people ever get an empire? People with very little in common with the common man (and I know a couple of these space cadets personally, so trust me on this) who can't be sacked, whose vested interests are, well, incredibly vested, who leant a new respectability to the concept of inbreeding, these are the yahoos you want with a veto over your laws. Their qualifications? Right surname. Now, I'm not saying this proves English people like to take it up the arse or anything, but it does lend a significant mass to the theorem, taking us one step closer to critical...
I already posted this, but its worth reposting IMHO...
They can decide if a law is really good or bad, not just fashionable.
Okay let me see if I got this straight here. You have a bunch of unelected rich kids who decide what becomes law or not in your country. And thats okay with you. To quote Michael Collins, how did you people ever get an empire? People with very little in common with the common man (and I know a couple of these space cadets personally, so trust me on this) who can't be sacked, whose vested interests are, well, incredibly vested, who leant a new respectability to the concept of inbreeding, these are the yahoos you want with a veto over your laws. Their qualifications? Right surname. Now, I'm not saying this proves English people like to take it up the arse or anything, but it does lend a significant mass to the theorem, taking us one step closer to critical...
Gah I know I shouldn't get involved, I know I shouldn't say anything, I swore I wouldn't, but Jesus H Christ on a two wheel tandem!
credibility and veracity of Ancien Regieme Tories in this principled position.
Okay let me see if I got this straight here. You have a bunch of unelected rich kids who decide what becomes law or not in your country. And thats okay with you. To quote Michael Collins, how did you people ever get an empire? People with very little in common with the common man (and I know a couple of these space cadets personally, so trust me on this) who can't be sacked, whose vested interests are, well, incredibly vested, who leant a new respectability to the concept of inbreeding, these are the yahoos you want with a veto over your laws. Their qualifications? Right surname. Now, I'm not saying this proves English people like to take it up the arse or anything, but it does lend a significant mass to the theorem, taking us one step closer to critical...
I'd still hit it.
Each piece of paper has a unique name, the "file name". When you are editing the file, the piece of paper is copied into computer memory, which is like a blackboard.
See now you're sticking bits of paper to a blackboard. They'd be asking me did I use glue or a nail around about then. I eventually gave up on the real life analogies and just told them the most direct way I could, if you change the words on the screen you have to put them in the computer, or the screen will forget. Plus we all had a good chuckle at the lackwit monitor. We didn't really have tome to go too in depth into the basics, I was just trying to get them to understand how to make it work, then show them how to do useful work on it.
You're a fagot.
Ever get that sneaking feeling that Bill Gates is trolling slashdot?
on the hugely popular closed platform
Lets get this straight; its not hugely popular, its hugely available. The platform wasn't marketed to the masses, it was marketed to the corporate heads of Dell and IBM.
It's just like websites and newspapers lately. Besides some advertizing (that we block in any way we can like using AdBlock), there just isn't much of a revenue stream.
Says you. People are just looking at it the wrong way. Let me put it to you like this. If crowds like combined insurance can sell their dire crap going house to house, a reasonably effective website can surely make money. It all depends on how you sell it. And in my opinion, google has chosen a drastically wrong route that will probably spell their downfall.
This could be the 2nd "dotcom" crash - money has to come from somewhere to fund all this.
Blah. The big problem is payments over the internet. It so happens I have an idea which can resolve that issue, I just haven't had the time to develop it yet. I'll just say that credit cards, banks, and secure socket layers are cutting the nuts off the internet. I'd tell you what I have in mind, but then I'd have to kill you (or lose all potential profit from it, heheh).
Its true I didn't say it wasn't true, but by not saying what was unsaid I was saying what would be the truth if I had said the truth, if indeed I didn't say the truth in the first place. Faith and begorrah.
Yes but half of those will claim Irish descent if their great great great great great grand pappy once had a guiness.
:p
Yup, you're English alright.
What manner of shite is this? I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but nyeh.
I have yet to see a large mass of land that is in equilibrium - meaning not degrading fast.
This impending apocalypse you fear seems to have eluded the rest of the world's attention. In the first world at least, stable farming techniques are keeping the land perfectly fertile, and will continue to do so for as long as we want it to.
Underground water levels drop, species disappear, cats and dogs living together, people get fat because they have nowhere to go walking or running or bicycling
Ahhh now I see. You're from California,
Yarr I suspected it was a rebuttal. Not very well put together however. Do you think your caps lock key helps much? I am aware you couldn't literally move the entire population to texas, but in an area the size of. So, now that the blindingly obvious has been pointed out to you...
FOOD TO COME FROM, WATER TO COME FROM, WASTE TO DISPOSE OF, CLOTHES
Blah, food already dealt with. We likewise have vast surpluses in all other areas. Even waste disposal ain't so hard. I'm not advocating the reloaction of everyone on earth to one big city. I'm just saying the earth isn't overpopulated. Still with me? Good man.
Yeah its amazing just how many basic concepts about computers and the internet we take for granted, and how flat-out impossible it is to explain these ideas to people for the first time. I was training young people in south east asia on computers and basic web design (there is a healthy market for that job over there), and some of the concepts are incredibly hard to explain. Okay, here is the computer, good. Now try to describe in simple terms what a file on a hard drive is, and what the ramifications of saving or not saving it are.
Not to say they lacked intelligence, they certainly didn't, they just lacked a context to compare what they were learning with. I eventually settled with explaining that the screen was not smart, and could not remember words typed on it, but you could hide the words in the computer with a save.
Other member states see how Ireland gets revenue from taxes not paid in countries where the actual business was done.
Erm wut? Thats a good trick. As far as I know, if you do business in a country, you pay that country's taxes. If that means a company will go to where tax rates are lowest, then thats where they go. No one is evading taxes. Don't like it, reduce your own tax rates. In a competitive market, it just so happens that Ireland's offer is the most attractive. No one owes Italy, France, or any other country jobs.
Yup, theres plenty of people who would live very happily in a 30 foot by 20 foot house, with a 10 foot by 30 foot garden. That also excludes the fact that not many infants and very old people actually need their own house, cohabiting couples, and so on. Per family unit its about 5 times as much, assuming 5 people in a family.
All that trouble to get independence from Britain ... and a few decades later they sell themselves to the US.
With god knows how many tens of millions of Irish Americans and Americans of Irish descent, one might say we are just looking after our own.
the earth can barely handle the 6 or so billion people here now
I keep seeing this rubbish pop up, and I keep knocking it down. Repeat after me, the earth is not overpopulated. You could quite comfortably fit the entire population of the planet in the state of texas with a house and a small garden each. Thats one per man woman and child. Move it to family units and you have a nice big house and a decent bit of land. There is a global food surplus, and its massive, I recall back in the 90s there was a lot of talk about the "bread mountains and wine lakes" of the EU. The problem has always been distribution, and the half cocked dictators and fucked up factions messing with it.
Truth of the matter is I am an advertisers worst nightmare
And yet you bought an ipod.
A bill such as this would essentially grant the government the power to regulate some things it has no business regulating.
I believe the importation of porn into the USA is illegal...
Wow. Did you seriously post that? 1973? The treaty was signed in the 1920s. So 50 years later there is a bollocks referendum. FTFA.
The vote resulted in an overwhelming majority for the Unionist side, due to the nationalist boycott, which meant the turnout was only 58.1%.
Sounds like their own free will alright. And the referendum on the good friday agreement was not to embrace union with the UK, it was to embrace a ceasefire, with compromises being made on both sides. I don't know where you learned your history, but I suspect it was in the UK. Remember, ignorance is strength!
So we're ripping out perfectly healthy flesh, slapping a few rivets and i-bars over the bones, and hooking the whole thing up to some sort of alcohol tank. Why not just eschew all the messy surgery and permanent infrastructure needed to keep you rolling, and just put these muscles in an exoskeleton? Mind you, I don't know how effective these are as opposed to pneumatics, in terms of weight you can lift. Modifying any part of the body to give it superhuman strength however will always require a near total body replacement. Hey, when I'm 75, I'll definetely sign up for one, at least until the cloning and brain transplant technology catches up...
Actually there was never a referendum held in the north, nor any of the committees created to discuss the re-integration of north and south, that were promised in the treaty that was signed after years of the British getting their arses kicked by the then IRA. I don't think there was a referendum held in the south either, just provisions made for a free state. Not that a referendum in the north would have meant much either, what with gerrymandering and all that goodness that lead to the current round of troubles.
Take the hint and get out already.
I am calling this BS, I was being polite before.
So you've stopped being polite now? Well, allow me to retort. From the fat waffling its way slowly over your chin, I assume you still have not read the links. So until you have, the only BS around here is whats mingled with the fat. In fact, from the further burblings, I can see you did not even properly read my post, which really is the coup de grace here. Someone mod this troll into oblivion, please.
Yes, the only curvature would be at the very bottom, I reckon. The vast majority would be straight up. I would envision eight or ten loading bays arrayed in arms around the tower, leading into a singe central launch tube, so you could load and prep a good few ships while others are launching. Also the arms could serve a double function as structural support.
The volume of air at the bottom of the tube would need to increase the same amount regardless of the pressure at the top of the tube, so the amount of air rushing in would be the same if the tube were horizontal at sea level, or vertical (more or less... the higher parts of the tube would need less air in the vertical case).
Nono, you see that's the two door airlock system there. As far as air pressure is concerned, the tower starts at the lower door, since that is airtight.
'm not convinced that the energy savings from using an evacuated tube are worth the trouble, or that there would even be a savings.
Well the small bit of research I have done indicates otherwise, I think. And besides, a once off engineering challenge to gain long term advantages in cost and energy for every single launch? That by itself would justify evacuation.
Either way, they haven't figured out how to switch the magnets fast enough to propel things to the speeds needed. I'm not sure what the current top speed is (it's always increasing, and I'm sure they'll get it eventually), but there's still some technology to develop.
I'm not sure about that, as far as I know it would produce some unique engineering challenges, but nothing insurmountable.
Perhaps I missed it while skimming through the discussion, but I saw nothing nothing about bending in the tower.
I'd have to re-read it, but I think they covered that. Windspeed of an average 100mph were discussed and the ramifications covered.
With the number of members I suspect are being discussed here, that would almost absolutely have to be done by computer and it will take a lot of work to set up.
Yes, the scale of an operation like this cannot be undersetimated. Doesn't make it not doable or financially unfeasable, however.
Manufacturing methods - how do you assemble structures 11 kilometers up with 100 mph cross winds?
With great difficulty, I suspect. It would be possible to work from within the tower itself, I suppose, or possibly some sort of an enclosed construction area as you build. Remote robotics would also be an option here. I believe a man recently put together an automated house building device, not too dissimilar.
Joints - joints add weight and the type used affects the strength. Pin joints are ideal but heavier. Welded or bonded joints are lighter but subject to bending stress and more difficult to manufacture and repair, especially in composites.
That level of detail is a bit out of my depth at this point, I'm afraid. That would have to be covered by a feasability study as well.
Coil - The weight of the inductor will not be trivial. Also, I believe there are issues with scaling these things up that maglev train proponents have run up against.
There has already been a great deal of research into high speed maglev in an evacuated tunnel, in the form of a transatalantic undersea train. The cost is fantastical, its not really practical (whereas the tower would probably cost less than the big dig in Boston), but it is capable of reaching something like 1/8th escape velocity. And those designs don't call for a dedicated nuclear reactor or two. As to the weight, they are talking about towers much higher than that in the discussion. If they can build a twenty kilometer tall tower, they can build an 11km tall tower with a maglev rail in it, I reckon.