Faith means believing in that which you cannot see, touch, smell, etc. or otherwise physically prove. Could it all be a great big myth? I suppose but in recent years there have been archealogical discoveries that seem to support events and places in the Bible. The "lifetime" you mention is one of those things you have to look closely at, did he mean the "lifetime" of the Jews (as a nation)? Did he mean the "lifetime" of his disciples? Did he mean the "lifetime" of humanity as a race? It's very unclear and I have read many different translations. Perhaps there was an error in the orginal documents of the Gospels by whoever did the transcription. I'm not sure but I think only maybe Luke (the physician) knew how to write. It really doesn't mean a whole lot, as he also tells us the only the Father knows the hour. If you want to pick nits, Jesus did come back for a while (Resurrection) and his Kingdom (i.e. the Church) was founded and has not passed away. If you want to see what others think there are lots of commentary sites online.I encourage you to check them out. But in the end, it's a matter of Faith.
"The amazing thing is we can see how to do all of this, at our current level of tech this would take a huge world wide effort, but it's not impossible and with the advancement of technology this could eventually be reduce to feasability equivilant to another moon landing."
C'mon...We have not invented Bussard Ram Jets, nor Light Sails, nor the Mirrors. We can't capture an asteroid nor start it spinning. The idea of heating the water inside is damn silly. You got to heat the OUTSIDE and transfer the heat to the INSIDE. Water boils at 212 way before the rock is "soft" enough to expand. It would be far easier to just drill tunnels in the damn thing, install a small nuke/fusion reactor and manufacture atmosphere. So now you have a asteroid colony, how the heck do you move it, and how do you sustain it for God only knows how many years? Put everyone in suspended animation/Cyrosleep? Have a sentient AI find a planet and send down colonists? All of this is FAR beyond 2005 technology, now maybe in 2105 we can do some of it. But it's far basic technology to go to the moon (chemical rockets & orbital mechanics "computers") we just didn't have the reason until the Cold War.
In each of the Gospels Christ warns of those who are false prophets of the end. He further states ONLY the Father knows the hour. If you read History closely, the "signs" of the end have occured many times in the past, and while it was the end for SOME it was not the coming of the "Second Kingdom". The "Left Behind" series is FICTION not fact, nor prophesy.
If the speakers are in the orginal box with nothing to indicate they are hot you are home free. Once again this stuff happens every day. The cops go after the SELLERS not the buyers. Unless the price is SO low you had to have known, then you can get in trouble. However, journalists are held to a different standard, they can report pretty much anything they hear as long as it is not slander or libel. You see other places like eWeek and IT rags reporting that IBM or someone else will be rolling out a modification to Product XYZ even before IBM announces it to anyone outside the company. I have never heard of those guys getting sued. If MacWeek had broken the story nothing would have happened. Apple is being a bully, they will lose in the court of public opinion, and (probably) the civil case will never go to court. In fact in most civil cases in a lot of states mediation and arbitration is required before the case is actually started. If that works then the case never goes to court. It's a long way from Apple's claims to the inside of the courtroom.
You are forgetting a critical point. The third party HAD to know it was stolen or if a "reasonable person" would have had doubts then there could be a case, otherwise it's just hearsay that ThinkSecret thought was cool. They could just as well have been wrong. Things like this get posted all the time about companies and products. No one gets sued, a company might tighten security and make NDAs stronger. There have been no laws broken here. If Apple wants to know the leak let them Polygraph the employees. Also, ThinkSecrets source may be 2 or 3 layers removed from the REAL leak, how would you track THAT down?
Spouses cannot be compelled to testify against one another in most states. That means your analogy won't work. If he had told his Brother, who was a newspaper editor, and his Brother did not KNOW he broke an NDA (how could he?) then he can publish the news all he wants. How did his Brother know that the info was protected unless he was told? Unless there is a criminal act involved, judges are very hesitant to make journalists of any ilk give up sources. Even in criminal cases, the DA is often tasked to see if they can gather the data any other way.
That's what the beige book is SUPPOSED to report. Foreign Economic policy isn't covered in those books. Much as I like GWB, I have not seen much in the way of Foreign Economic Policy initiatives to help US businesses. But there are still four more years to get around to that.
The dollar being cheaper is GREAT for American business, as our products cost LESS in export markets. And it makes imports cost more. Many economists have long thought the dollar was too high. Regardless of high or low it is still the world's benchmark currency.
...Why bother Googling? You want to know about NASA missions, http://www.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov] seems like a logical choice...
I used to work at NASA, you can't find what you need on the site. Way too much stuff, and not a great index/search. I'm not sure older missions (pre-WWW days) are even on-line.
TDRS (there are multiple TDRS's actually) has some drawbacks: It's NOT real-time, it is time sliced to handle only certain sattelites at one time (limit is five). The first generation TDRS was originally intended to support Manned Missions like STS, and a few sattelites but now they have lots of missions going thru it. It's very utilized. Many Sattelites store data in on-board data recorders, compress it and play it back when it is their turn on TDRS. Some of the TDRS's were upgraded in recent years, and NASA added another band (Ka) and while that helps, older missions that need high bandwidth still suffer as they can't use the higher bandwidth channels (attenna's are sized and shaped to a certain comm band type, and you can't just replace/reprogram them). "Modern" sats can often communicate in multiple bands (S-Band for commands and Ku/Ka Band for high rate data). So, pretty soon the new TDRS's with high rate channels may become saturated.
As far as TCP/IP in Space it's not really new, see http://www-ece.rice.edu/~duarte/images/elec524fina l.pdf
Which talks about TCP/IP over TDRS to ISS.:)
Even if the AF starts using this service, there are many devices up there that are not TCP/IP ready. Some systems could be patched but the old style comm systems will still be needed for a long time to come.
Cool- Another use for the Carbon Nanotubes they plan to use on the Space Elevator.:) But certainly not something you can buy for $10 at your local computer store.
So buy seeds from another company. Start a co-op and help spread costs. Develop a "aclimitized" variety from heirloom seeds and then sell it. That practice is gaining a lot of momentum in the USA to get around Monstanto's claims. Sure, the old varieties get disease and bugs and weeds grow but you don't have to foot the bill for new seed each year. You can probably plant more acres, lose some to bugs & disease and come out ahead in the long run. In other words bitching and moaning is NOT a solution.
Voyager 2 was NOT a mission to study Neptune, it happened as it went on by toward who knows where (I suppose it's still out there). Far as I know, there have been no SPECIFIC missions to Neptune, and as I said I'm going from memory based on 30+ yrs of following the space program, I didn't look it up. So I may be wrong on some detail. Google has a much better memory than I do!
Typical liberal nonsense. The dollar being low is actually GOOD, it has alwys been so strong that US goods were not competetive overseas. If you are so smart you should see that. Being able to sell more products overseas HELPS the economy as firms hire more folks pay more payroll taxes, income taxes (corporate and personal), etc.. It also helps the Balance of Trade.
Under GWB as president my earnings have gone up close to 25% due to the demand for my skills in the better economy. Interest rates are low which means my house can be refinanced and I have money left to save, invest or consume more. I think you would find the majority of Americans would say the same.
The deficit was there before GWB and will be there after GWB, if you read the news you'll find out the Gov't has taken in MORE money than ever before. It may be the president's idea but Congress votes spending bills up or down, so blame the Senators who pack the pork into each bill. Of course your state wants it's pork just like every other and you can't stand for your state to be behind. Go see Robert Byrd of WV, that guy is the "King of Pork", so many nonsense Gov't projects have been done in WV it'll make ever a liberal take notice.
Don't forget the War Against Terrorism takes money, and I'm not talking about just Iraq, but the increased security costs here in ths USA. I for one would rather see a lttle more spent on protecting what we have, versus handouts to those who are too lazy to work and claim thier share.
No person's sucess can be said to be totally thier own, they had parents, teachers, mentors, etc. who helped along the way.
You have obviously never been bass fishing, I don't care if the lake is wall-to-wall bass if they ain't biting they ain't biting. Those are the most finicky fish I have ever caught, if they were easy to catch you wouldn't see a several Billion dollar market in lures, rods, boats, etc.
60K isn't wealthy!!! And if you have a family 60K goes rather fast. Funny no one has mentioned that every tax CUT has actually INCREASED the amount of revenue taken in by the Government. It's just that they never seem to spend it wisely. Oh, and that silly notion about GWB never have financial sucess, just the other day the liberals were moaning that he make TOO MUCH money when he (and his partners) sold out the Texas Rangers baseball club to Tom Hicks. Situational ethics the liberal trademark.
Well said! The GPL is just as valid as any other software license. If it wasn't it would have been challenged in court and found invalid. To date neither of those has happened. Getting the GPL tossed out is one of SCOX's claims in the IBM (really Linux) lawsuit, yet the two faced bastards actually sell software under the GPL. (not that anyone is buying based on the financial reports)
Off-topic..thread was about the Wireless cards in laptops. Those are not CDPD modems. If 2 watts of signal is distoring your CRT screens you got a heck of a shielding problem somewhere or a lot more than 2 watts. Probably both.
Yep, Neptune is also supposedly a Gas Giant and also has quite a few (6?) moons. But since we haven't really done any missions there we can't be certain, but the data seem to point in that directon. IIRC, someone was trying to get NASA to send a mission there and it never got any interest.
(and no I didn't Google this info, it's my own recollection)
Yes, that data is outdated, things are changing rapidly. By about 2015-2020, Hispanics will be the majority in TX. I think that point will happen sooner than predicted.
I thought folks at/. were supposed to know at least a little science.
Microwaves send out waves with power on the order of several HUNDRED WATTS (or more). The wireless antenna in your laptop is about a hundred MILLIWATTS. Both signals are at 2.4GHz, the same as a domestic microwave oven. So right there we are talking 1000+ fold less intensity of signal.
Then there is the distance factor. Radiation declines as the square of the distance from the source - so if you move from 1 foot to 2 feet from the antenna the intensity falls to 25%. A microwave concentrates its power in a volume about 3-4 square feet in size, your head will be at the edge of something like a 25-30 square foot of volume from your laptop's antenna (assuming you don't place it on your head).
In short MOD PARENT DOWN, it's WRONG.
Not in Texas, the population here is about 50% white, 35% Hispanic, 10% Black, 5% all others. In the biggest cities of Houston and San Antonio Hispanics are more than 50%.
Plus, crime statistics in the USA have been known not to follow the population ethnic mix for a long time.
You obviously don't live in the USA. With someones name and SS# you can create a fake identity that appears to anyone and everyone to be the other person since they have all the right numbers. You could perhaps get a Drivers License, access Finacial Records, take out credit, etc. A lot of vendors have a 2nd level password if they use your SSN for Identity but there are still a lot that if you got the number they don't bother to verify anything else. It's also the number the IRS uses to track you for tax purposes, so give someone the other persons SS#, make money, pay no taxes and let the IRS hammer the person you stole the # from for non-payment.
"induce" normally means to pay $$, or give some other item of value to the person revealing the info, or in some cases just talking them into it. If the kid won't reveal (or really doesn't know) the source how the hell is Apple going to prove "inducement"? Apple has a damn shaky case unless they know who leaked the info, then they shouldn't even be after the kid bu after the leak. Secondhand info is NOT trade secrets it's hearsay, rumor or innuendo. I also suspect ThinkSecret is not the only place the info was published..Say someone else copied the info off ThinkSecret..by Apple's definition they should be prosecuted too!
From LegalDefinitions.com:
trade secret definition - a trade secret can be almost any piece of information/technical or otherwise, that is not a matter of common knowledge in the field or trade; has some recognizable value and is or can be used continuously to competitive advantage; has some degree of definiteness or concreteness; and reasonable steps have been taken to maintain its confidential or secret nature.
It was a matter of common knowledge Apple was working on a low-cost Mac. No one else makes Macs so there is not a competitive advantage to be had. How definite was the assertion? Was it fully detailed? If reasonable steps were taken to prevent the information from getting out, then how did it get out?
The whole problem is that Apple is pissed someone leaked something to someone who put it on the web. They really don't have a case. A good lawyer for the kid might actually turn it around on Apple and sue THEM for harrassment and interference with the web site. The kid goes to HARVARD so I bet he has some very smart classmates/professors who can advance all sorts of arguments against Apple. Plus I bet some have powerful family lawyers they keep around for just this sort of thing. Oh, and in the court of public opinion, Apple is going to lose BIG. They should have just kept quiet.
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Faith means believing in that which you cannot see, touch, smell, etc. or otherwise physically prove. Could it all be a great big myth? I suppose but in recent years there have been archealogical discoveries that seem to support events and places in the Bible. The "lifetime" you mention is one of those things you have to look closely at, did he mean the "lifetime" of the Jews (as a nation)? Did he mean the "lifetime" of his disciples? Did he mean the "lifetime" of humanity as a race? It's very unclear and I have read many different translations. Perhaps there was an error in the orginal documents of the Gospels by whoever did the transcription. I'm not sure but I think only maybe Luke (the physician) knew how to write. It really doesn't mean a whole lot, as he also tells us the only the Father knows the hour. If you want to pick nits, Jesus did come back for a while (Resurrection) and his Kingdom (i.e. the Church) was founded and has not passed away. If you want to see what others think there are lots of commentary sites online.I encourage you to check them out. But in the end, it's a matter of Faith.
"The amazing thing is we can see how to do all of this, at our current level of tech this would take a huge world wide effort, but it's not impossible and with the advancement of technology this could eventually be reduce to feasability equivilant to another moon landing." C'mon...We have not invented Bussard Ram Jets, nor Light Sails, nor the Mirrors. We can't capture an asteroid nor start it spinning. The idea of heating the water inside is damn silly. You got to heat the OUTSIDE and transfer the heat to the INSIDE. Water boils at 212 way before the rock is "soft" enough to expand. It would be far easier to just drill tunnels in the damn thing, install a small nuke/fusion reactor and manufacture atmosphere. So now you have a asteroid colony, how the heck do you move it, and how do you sustain it for God only knows how many years? Put everyone in suspended animation/Cyrosleep? Have a sentient AI find a planet and send down colonists? All of this is FAR beyond 2005 technology, now maybe in 2105 we can do some of it. But it's far basic technology to go to the moon (chemical rockets & orbital mechanics "computers") we just didn't have the reason until the Cold War.
In each of the Gospels Christ warns of those who are false prophets of the end. He further states ONLY the Father knows the hour. If you read History closely, the "signs" of the end have occured many times in the past, and while it was the end for SOME it was not the coming of the "Second Kingdom". The "Left Behind" series is FICTION not fact, nor prophesy.
If the speakers are in the orginal box with nothing to indicate they are hot you are home free. Once again this stuff happens every day. The cops go after the SELLERS not the buyers. Unless the price is SO low you had to have known, then you can get in trouble. However, journalists are held to a different standard, they can report pretty much anything they hear as long as it is not slander or libel. You see other places like eWeek and IT rags reporting that IBM or someone else will be rolling out a modification to Product XYZ even before IBM announces it to anyone outside the company. I have never heard of those guys getting sued. If MacWeek had broken the story nothing would have happened. Apple is being a bully, they will lose in the court of public opinion, and (probably) the civil case will never go to court. In fact in most civil cases in a lot of states mediation and arbitration is required before the case is actually started. If that works then the case never goes to court. It's a long way from Apple's claims to the inside of the courtroom.
You are forgetting a critical point. The third party HAD to know it was stolen or if a "reasonable person" would have had doubts then there could be a case, otherwise it's just hearsay that ThinkSecret thought was cool. They could just as well have been wrong. Things like this get posted all the time about companies and products. No one gets sued, a company might tighten security and make NDAs stronger. There have been no laws broken here. If Apple wants to know the leak let them Polygraph the employees. Also, ThinkSecrets source may be 2 or 3 layers removed from the REAL leak, how would you track THAT down?
Spouses cannot be compelled to testify against one another in most states. That means your analogy won't work. If he had told his Brother, who was a newspaper editor, and his Brother did not KNOW he broke an NDA (how could he?) then he can publish the news all he wants. How did his Brother know that the info was protected unless he was told?
Unless there is a criminal act involved, judges are very hesitant to make journalists of any ilk give up sources. Even in criminal cases, the DA is often tasked to see if they can gather the data any other way.
That's what the beige book is SUPPOSED to report. Foreign Economic policy isn't covered in those books. Much as I like GWB, I have not seen much in the way of Foreign Economic Policy initiatives to help US businesses. But there are still four more years to get around to that.
The dollar being cheaper is GREAT for American business, as our products cost LESS in export markets. And it makes imports cost more. Many economists have long thought the dollar was too high. Regardless of high or low it is still the world's benchmark currency.
...Why bother Googling? You want to know about NASA missions, http://www.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov] seems like a logical choice... I used to work at NASA, you can't find what you need on the site. Way too much stuff, and not a great index/search. I'm not sure older missions (pre-WWW days) are even on-line.
TDRS (there are multiple TDRS's actually) has some drawbacks: It's NOT real-time, it is time sliced to handle only certain sattelites at one time (limit is five). The first generation TDRS was originally intended to support Manned Missions like STS, and a few sattelites but now they have lots of missions going thru it. It's very utilized. Many Sattelites store data in on-board data recorders, compress it and play it back when it is their turn on TDRS. Some of the TDRS's were upgraded in recent years, and NASA added another band (Ka) and while that helps, older missions that need high bandwidth still suffer as they can't use the higher bandwidth channels (attenna's are sized and shaped to a certain comm band type, and you can't just replace/reprogram them). "Modern" sats can often communicate in multiple bands (S-Band for commands and Ku/Ka Band for high rate data). So, pretty soon the new TDRS's with high rate channels may become saturated. As far as TCP/IP in Space it's not really new, see http://www-ece.rice.edu/~duarte/images/elec524fina l.pdf
Which talks about TCP/IP over TDRS to ISS. :)
Even if the AF starts using this service, there are many devices up there that are not TCP/IP ready. Some systems could be patched but the old style comm systems will still be needed for a long time to come.
Cool- Another use for the Carbon Nanotubes they plan to use on the Space Elevator. :) But certainly not something you can buy for $10 at your local computer store.
So buy seeds from another company. Start a co-op and help spread costs. Develop a "aclimitized" variety from heirloom seeds and then sell it. That practice is gaining a lot of momentum in the USA to get around Monstanto's claims. Sure, the old varieties get disease and bugs and weeds grow but you don't have to foot the bill for new seed each year. You can probably plant more acres, lose some to bugs & disease and come out ahead in the long run. In other words bitching and moaning is NOT a solution.
Voyager 2 was NOT a mission to study Neptune, it happened as it went on by toward who knows where (I suppose it's still out there). Far as I know, there have been no SPECIFIC missions to Neptune, and as I said I'm going from memory based on 30+ yrs of following the space program, I didn't look it up. So I may be wrong on some detail. Google has a much better memory than I do!
Typical liberal nonsense. The dollar being low is actually GOOD, it has alwys been so strong that US goods were not competetive overseas. If you are so smart you should see that. Being able to sell more products overseas HELPS the economy as firms hire more folks pay more payroll taxes, income taxes (corporate and personal), etc.. It also helps the Balance of Trade. Under GWB as president my earnings have gone up close to 25% due to the demand for my skills in the better economy. Interest rates are low which means my house can be refinanced and I have money left to save, invest or consume more. I think you would find the majority of Americans would say the same. The deficit was there before GWB and will be there after GWB, if you read the news you'll find out the Gov't has taken in MORE money than ever before. It may be the president's idea but Congress votes spending bills up or down, so blame the Senators who pack the pork into each bill. Of course your state wants it's pork just like every other and you can't stand for your state to be behind. Go see Robert Byrd of WV, that guy is the "King of Pork", so many nonsense Gov't projects have been done in WV it'll make ever a liberal take notice. Don't forget the War Against Terrorism takes money, and I'm not talking about just Iraq, but the increased security costs here in ths USA. I for one would rather see a lttle more spent on protecting what we have, versus handouts to those who are too lazy to work and claim thier share. No person's sucess can be said to be totally thier own, they had parents, teachers, mentors, etc. who helped along the way. You have obviously never been bass fishing, I don't care if the lake is wall-to-wall bass if they ain't biting they ain't biting. Those are the most finicky fish I have ever caught, if they were easy to catch you wouldn't see a several Billion dollar market in lures, rods, boats, etc.
60K isn't wealthy!!! And if you have a family 60K goes rather fast. Funny no one has mentioned that every tax CUT has actually INCREASED the amount of revenue taken in by the Government. It's just that they never seem to spend it wisely. Oh, and that silly notion about GWB never have financial sucess, just the other day the liberals were moaning that he make TOO MUCH money when he (and his partners) sold out the Texas Rangers baseball club to Tom Hicks. Situational ethics the liberal trademark.
Well said! The GPL is just as valid as any other software license. If it wasn't it would have been challenged in court and found invalid. To date neither of those has happened. Getting the GPL tossed out is one of SCOX's claims in the IBM (really Linux) lawsuit, yet the two faced bastards actually sell software under the GPL. (not that anyone is buying based on the financial reports)
Off-topic..thread was about the Wireless cards in laptops. Those are not CDPD modems. If 2 watts of signal is distoring your CRT screens you got a heck of a shielding problem somewhere or a lot more than 2 watts. Probably both.
Yep, Neptune is also supposedly a Gas Giant and also has quite a few (6?) moons. But since we haven't really done any missions there we can't be certain, but the data seem to point in that directon. IIRC, someone was trying to get NASA to send a mission there and it never got any interest. (and no I didn't Google this info, it's my own recollection)
Real Geeks do a parity check or use an error correction algorithm to restore the missing bit ;)
Yes, that data is outdated, things are changing rapidly. By about 2015-2020, Hispanics will be the majority in TX. I think that point will happen sooner than predicted.
Wrong Planet. Europa is a moon of the OTHER Gas Giant, ya know the one with the Big Red Spot. I swear the educational system these days...
I thought folks at /. were supposed to know at least a little science.
Microwaves send out waves with power on the order of several HUNDRED WATTS (or more). The wireless antenna in your laptop is about a hundred MILLIWATTS. Both signals are at 2.4GHz, the same as a domestic microwave oven. So right there we are talking 1000+ fold less intensity of signal.
Then there is the distance factor. Radiation declines as the square of the distance from the source - so if you move from 1 foot to 2 feet from the antenna the intensity falls to 25%. A microwave concentrates its power in a volume about 3-4 square feet in size, your head will be at the edge of something like a 25-30 square foot of volume from your laptop's antenna (assuming you don't place it on your head).
In short MOD PARENT DOWN, it's WRONG.
Not in Texas, the population here is about 50% white, 35% Hispanic, 10% Black, 5% all others. In the biggest cities of Houston and San Antonio Hispanics are more than 50%.
Plus, crime statistics in the USA have been known not to follow the population ethnic mix for a long time.
You obviously don't live in the USA. With someones name and SS# you can create a fake identity that appears to anyone and everyone to be the other person since they have all the right numbers. You could perhaps get a Drivers License, access Finacial Records, take out credit, etc. A lot of vendors have a 2nd level password if they use your SSN for Identity but there are still a lot that if you got the number they don't bother to verify anything else. It's also the number the IRS uses to track you for tax purposes, so give someone the other persons SS#, make money, pay no taxes and let the IRS hammer the person you stole the # from for non-payment.
"induce" normally means to pay $$, or give some other item of value to the person revealing the info, or in some cases just talking them into it. If the kid won't reveal (or really doesn't know) the source how the hell is Apple going to prove "inducement"? Apple has a damn shaky case unless they know who leaked the info, then they shouldn't even be after the kid bu after the leak. Secondhand info is NOT trade secrets it's hearsay, rumor or innuendo. I also suspect ThinkSecret is not the only place the info was published..Say someone else copied the info off ThinkSecret..by Apple's definition they should be prosecuted too!
From LegalDefinitions.com: trade secret definition - a trade secret can be almost any piece of information/technical or otherwise, that is not a matter of common knowledge in the field or trade; has some recognizable value and is or can be used continuously to competitive advantage; has some degree of definiteness or concreteness; and reasonable steps have been taken to maintain its confidential or secret nature. It was a matter of common knowledge Apple was working on a low-cost Mac. No one else makes Macs so there is not a competitive advantage to be had. How definite was the assertion? Was it fully detailed? If reasonable steps were taken to prevent the information from getting out, then how did it get out? The whole problem is that Apple is pissed someone leaked something to someone who put it on the web. They really don't have a case. A good lawyer for the kid might actually turn it around on Apple and sue THEM for harrassment and interference with the web site. The kid goes to HARVARD so I bet he has some very smart classmates/professors who can advance all sorts of arguments against Apple. Plus I bet some have powerful family lawyers they keep around for just this sort of thing. Oh, and in the court of public opinion, Apple is going to lose BIG. They should have just kept quiet.