Neither looks to be "disagreeing" but have issued knee-jerk political responses. At least the OP's post had cites and the cites had specific names and actions. Not the generic "conservative orgs were treated worse, so we blame the Dems" statements.
And what if the illegal act was the result of a legal order?
They "recycle" thousands of drives a year. The manager knew this one was more "interesting", but the IT worker didn't and couldn't. It'd be like throwing a mail-man in jail because a letter he delivered contained a threat or orders for a terrorist cell.
Odd, how the complaint on replacing the heads is "oh, you'll need a new gasket" That's like saying "cancer sucks because you need to get a hairnet." Wouldn't the heads cost a few orders of magnitude more than the gaskets? And the gaskets are $0 labor at that point because you have to do all the labor just to change the heads.,
The cheap (and light) plastic connectors in cars are surprisingly reliable, though they don't stand up to the number of connection/disconnections that others are rated for, mainly because the "average" car probably has them disconnected and reconnected 5 times in their lives. I don't need 10,000 rep lifecycle.
Of course, when you do have a problem, you don't go in and replace the faulty item the first time, as that's expensive. So you take it out, play with it, and put it back, repeating until you've broken the connectors. Though the ones in cars are much easier to fit a new connector on that an Amphenol connector.
NADA mentions price competition, consumer safety, local economic benefits, and added value.
Yes, the "added value" of $500 for a $2 3M spray on the seats, and $1500 for an underbody treatment that often isn't even applied.
Yes, those dealers sure know how to extract value. I almost bought a Toyota once. But I couldn't get one that didn't have $5000 or more of unwanted markup for such scams. Gulf States Toyota Distributors should have been taken down for fraud and such. But NADA and others support such unethical and borderline illegal practices. And demonize Tesla.
Yeah, I'm sure you put 300,000,000 miles on a car too. When caught in dumb statements, you can make up anything you like. Do you even have a point left, rather than saying "fuck you" to everyone you reply to? At that point, put the computer down, take a deep breath, and go do something else.
The question was about the level of maintenance needed, not whether it was "possible". You are lying about what I said. I can read back, and you are wrong. I also note you don't quote any of my words when addressing them. Why? Because it's easier to lie about what the other person said when you aren't quoting it. You are the one trolling.
I will admit that it is possible I may have misunderstood your claim, but as far as I can tell you made it sound like you were claiming older vehicles were not capable of going beyond 100k.
I don't think I said anything that could possibly be confused with that. That's why I think you are a lying troll. I said that ""old" cars where points (wear items) never lasted as long as they "should" and the distributor cap was not a wear item, but managed to fail. Transmission failures were common. blown gaskets were surprisingly common for the low level of compression."
This indicates a greater amount of maintenance, not any discardment required at 100k. But that maintenance to get there is much higher for '60s cars than '00s cars.
Anything other than that is a pure fabrication on your part.
Okay now you are just getting butt hurt
And you are either the dumbest person capapble of turning on a computer, or a lying sack of shit trolling others for lols. I never said anything close to what you assert I said. I can read it. You are picking a fight over something I never said (or even implied).
I've never had a car with CV boots make to to 100k without at least one broken boot. But most of those types of cars would be considered "modern" not the '50s and '60s cars that people are mis-remembering.
My father used to tell me about his '40s and '50s cars where he did the "rings" on them every 10-20k. But once he bought a recent lemon, his older cars were the best ever.
I think the disconnect is that blown rings, blown gasket, bad points, and bad timing will still run and not leave you stranded, even if you end up close to 1 mpg, and putting in 2 quarts of oil at every gasoline fill up. You go until it's bad enough you rebuild everything. Now, it's harder to rebuild everything, but you don't need to often (if ever).
Old cars were made to drive off the assembly line as cheap as possible.
My opinion on it is that the builds were over-engineered because the quality (tolerances) were so low. So 5% of the cars were in great shape, but the middle 80% were pretty poor. The bottom 15% were the ever-popular "lemon" (which has gone down significantly in recent time, most "lemons" I've seen being bad dealer repairs, not unfixable serial failures).
Memory being what it is, people only remember the top 5% and the lemons.
I have seen individuals purchase a car with 100,000 miles and have the plugs changed for the 1st time. If the the plugs were not installed with never seize, might as well order a new head gasket.
I don't understand. How can plugs affect the gasket?
How rude. You cut where I said it would be a racing class with a minimum weight, and you state it is a class with a minimum weight you were always under anyway. But in a car with no minimum, the added weight will have an effect. The number of connections and high weight of those connectors in a passenger car would more than double the weight of the electrical connections (without significant re-engineering).
Yup, you learned about the present by reading about it, and you haven't lived it. What's the most miles you've had on any car *you* have owned? 15, and it was a Huffy?
I made no "claim" about 100k that would be contradicted by owning a car for 20 years/200k. Can you quote me any claim I made about 100k? Then show how owning a car for 200k contradicts it. Go on, link your false accusation to my words, not objecting because I challenged you. Doing that makes you a liar. I never contradicted any claim I made, and you know it. So stop lying. Again, you sound like a smart 12 year old who has read lots, but hasn't ever lived or even owned a car. How old are you?
Given the way that you dodge questions and lie about those asking them, I presume you'll not answer any of those I ask here.
Yes, and the plural of anecdote is data. My experience is the same. I've only seen issues with quality when people Wal-Marted them (signing for one price, then demanding a lower price later). The Chinese culture "allows" them to lower the spec when you lower the price. Then you get less than you underpaid for, at your own request. And blame your ignorance and bad business sense on the Chinese.
I've found that the problems come down to cultural mainly (not language).
Are you 12? You sound like someone who learned all he knows about the present by reading books about the past. I owned a '67 Bug for about 20 years. So should I take your guess about them to trump my reality?
The total added manufacturing cost to using half decent switches and connectors might be $200 for a normal car. So $1000 on the price. Would you pay an extra $1000 for a 'the electrics won't break in 4 years' guarantee?
How about the weight penalty? I can't believe you put them on a "race car", what was it, a dragster? Either that, or some class with a minimum weight. Otherwise why use heavy connectors when the cheap plastic ones work 99.99% as well?
Much like the Consumer Reports automotive report shows a large difference between the Fords and Mazdas that came off the same line. The Americans will notice the difference, even if there isn't one.
I've hit 100k without unscheduled maintenance, except for wear items identified as not lasting that long, (tires and such). Not like "old" cars where points (wear items) never lasted as long as they "should" and the distributor cap was not a wear item, but managed to fail. Transmission failures were common. blown gaskets were surprisingly common for the low level of compression.
Wheel bearings, door latches, headliners, window winding mechanisms. Old cars are delicate. And new cars last much longer.
And don't forget, Mexico counts as "domestic" for parts. So 100% Mexican will be sold as 100% "American" with 0% USA content. Though often the engines will be built in Canada and shipped to Mexico for final assembly. The USA is a speed bump, not a location of manufacture.
"BA" has no sources. Nor listing "domestic" content to show that the engine and tranny may be USA for your Ram, but nothing else is.
China Sells cars in nearly every country but the US (and by Chinese brands, Chery, Great Wall and others), while you can get Chinese tractors in the US. And the quality is at least as good as the American entries in those foreign markets.
Don't mod me down as a troll or flamebait, either, because it's not like there isn't a history of low-quality crap coming out of China.
My story of this is in my dealings with China, I had a manufacturer ask me to help translate a letter. The Lewisville Lizards asked for a mascot stuffed animal "cheapest materials possible". That China gives stupid people what they ask for isn't China's fault. Low quality crap was what came out because that's what was ordered.
Even UBI is hard to implement: if we weren't in so much debt, the transition off Social Security would be a lot easier, and the change-over would be faster, because we could just leverage debt.
I don't see how that matters. We can do what we are already doing, just print more to pay for it. Debt is irrelevant, unless you want a stable economy, and the last 20 years have shown that's not a political goal.
You don't seem to understand just how economics works, either. "Nearly every economic policy/theory" would envelop thousands, if not millions, of policies. For example: Throw out NASA, institute a National Medical Research Agency under the NIH instead. Why? Because fuck Pfeizer, and the whoring of overpriced drugs, and the killing of low-cost, life-saving treatments in favor of research into high-cost maintenance drugs.
That's not an economic theory. That's a specific implementation of an economic policy. I wasn't including the infininte number of "fund this, not that" choices. Theory is how to tax, how to own.
Though I did think of one that I haven't ever seen tried. No previously stable government has moved to a "no-tax, print for expenses" economy. Only unstable governments have done it when inflation was so bad it didn't matter anymore.
I suggest no minimum wage under UBI, because minimum wage gives employers more negotiating power to pin unskilled labor to a fixed number that you have to lobby congress to increase. Removing minimum wage means the individual has to decide if the job at the given wage increases their quality of life: your employer must negotiate with every single individual job seeker, who will decide if they like life more with more money (to buy a larger apartment, better food, Wii U) or if they're making too little money (working 40 hours shoveling gravel for a case of beer).
I would have a trivial minimum wage, but only to prevent worker abuse if there's a new class of $0.50 workers. Perhaps no initial minimum, and instituting one if there looks to be a problem.
I'm a fan of the ideal free market. Where barriers are low, and information is free. People can't make "free" decisions in our free market, because the companies are lying to them, and lobbying for market barriers. The "big 3" delayed their demise through regulation, but once the foreign makers gave up looking for the USA to play fair, they built factories in the US and beat the pants off the big 3, who should have closed their car building operations immediately and just made pickups until they went under. Well, 2 of the big 3 have gone under, and the last keeps flirting with it. A nepotistic CEO looking to keep the name alive, and failing in the marketplace.
Though, I'd note that as far as we know, all would pass that. None were tested 1 year after max write rating, but they were all run past max write rating, in an attempt to make them fail. Did anyone stop writing at the max write rating and wait a year?
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Neither looks to be "disagreeing" but have issued knee-jerk political responses. At least the OP's post had cites and the cites had specific names and actions. Not the generic "conservative orgs were treated worse, so we blame the Dems" statements.
Were you hoping nobody read the link? There's nothing in it that disagrees with the OP.
And what if the illegal act was the result of a legal order?
They "recycle" thousands of drives a year. The manager knew this one was more "interesting", but the IT worker didn't and couldn't. It'd be like throwing a mail-man in jail because a letter he delivered contained a threat or orders for a terrorist cell.
Odd, how the complaint on replacing the heads is "oh, you'll need a new gasket" That's like saying "cancer sucks because you need to get a hairnet." Wouldn't the heads cost a few orders of magnitude more than the gaskets? And the gaskets are $0 labor at that point because you have to do all the labor just to change the heads.,
The cheap (and light) plastic connectors in cars are surprisingly reliable, though they don't stand up to the number of connection/disconnections that others are rated for, mainly because the "average" car probably has them disconnected and reconnected 5 times in their lives. I don't need 10,000 rep lifecycle.
Of course, when you do have a problem, you don't go in and replace the faulty item the first time, as that's expensive. So you take it out, play with it, and put it back, repeating until you've broken the connectors. Though the ones in cars are much easier to fit a new connector on that an Amphenol connector.
NADA mentions price competition, consumer safety, local economic benefits, and added value.
Yes, the "added value" of $500 for a $2 3M spray on the seats, and $1500 for an underbody treatment that often isn't even applied.
Yes, those dealers sure know how to extract value. I almost bought a Toyota once. But I couldn't get one that didn't have $5000 or more of unwanted markup for such scams. Gulf States Toyota Distributors should have been taken down for fraud and such. But NADA and others support such unethical and borderline illegal practices. And demonize Tesla.
Yeah, I'm sure you put 300,000,000 miles on a car too. When caught in dumb statements, you can make up anything you like. Do you even have a point left, rather than saying "fuck you" to everyone you reply to? At that point, put the computer down, take a deep breath, and go do something else.
I will admit that it is possible I may have misunderstood your claim, but as far as I can tell you made it sound like you were claiming older vehicles were not capable of going beyond 100k.
I don't think I said anything that could possibly be confused with that. That's why I think you are a lying troll. I said that ""old" cars where points (wear items) never lasted as long as they "should" and the distributor cap was not a wear item, but managed to fail. Transmission failures were common. blown gaskets were surprisingly common for the low level of compression."
This indicates a greater amount of maintenance, not any discardment required at 100k. But that maintenance to get there is much higher for '60s cars than '00s cars.
Anything other than that is a pure fabrication on your part.
Okay now you are just getting butt hurt
And you are either the dumbest person capapble of turning on a computer, or a lying sack of shit trolling others for lols. I never said anything close to what you assert I said. I can read it. You are picking a fight over something I never said (or even implied).
My father used to tell me about his '40s and '50s cars where he did the "rings" on them every 10-20k. But once he bought a recent lemon, his older cars were the best ever.
I think the disconnect is that blown rings, blown gasket, bad points, and bad timing will still run and not leave you stranded, even if you end up close to 1 mpg, and putting in 2 quarts of oil at every gasoline fill up. You go until it's bad enough you rebuild everything. Now, it's harder to rebuild everything, but you don't need to often (if ever).
Old cars were made to drive off the assembly line as cheap as possible.
My opinion on it is that the builds were over-engineered because the quality (tolerances) were so low. So 5% of the cars were in great shape, but the middle 80% were pretty poor. The bottom 15% were the ever-popular "lemon" (which has gone down significantly in recent time, most "lemons" I've seen being bad dealer repairs, not unfixable serial failures).
Memory being what it is, people only remember the top 5% and the lemons.
I have seen individuals purchase a car with 100,000 miles and have the plugs changed for the 1st time. If the the plugs were not installed with never seize, might as well order a new head gasket.
I don't understand. How can plugs affect the gasket?
some class with a minimum weight.
How rude. You cut where I said it would be a racing class with a minimum weight, and you state it is a class with a minimum weight you were always under anyway. But in a car with no minimum, the added weight will have an effect. The number of connections and high weight of those connectors in a passenger car would more than double the weight of the electrical connections (without significant re-engineering).
Yup, you learned about the present by reading about it, and you haven't lived it. What's the most miles you've had on any car *you* have owned? 15, and it was a Huffy?
I made no "claim" about 100k that would be contradicted by owning a car for 20 years/200k. Can you quote me any claim I made about 100k? Then show how owning a car for 200k contradicts it. Go on, link your false accusation to my words, not objecting because I challenged you. Doing that makes you a liar. I never contradicted any claim I made, and you know it. So stop lying. Again, you sound like a smart 12 year old who has read lots, but hasn't ever lived or even owned a car. How old are you?
Given the way that you dodge questions and lie about those asking them, I presume you'll not answer any of those I ask here.
Yes, and the plural of anecdote is data. My experience is the same. I've only seen issues with quality when people Wal-Marted them (signing for one price, then demanding a lower price later). The Chinese culture "allows" them to lower the spec when you lower the price. Then you get less than you underpaid for, at your own request. And blame your ignorance and bad business sense on the Chinese.
I've found that the problems come down to cultural mainly (not language).
Are you 12? You sound like someone who learned all he knows about the present by reading books about the past. I owned a '67 Bug for about 20 years. So should I take your guess about them to trump my reality?
The total added manufacturing cost to using half decent switches and connectors might be $200 for a normal car. So $1000 on the price. Would you pay an extra $1000 for a 'the electrics won't break in 4 years' guarantee?
How about the weight penalty? I can't believe you put them on a "race car", what was it, a dragster? Either that, or some class with a minimum weight. Otherwise why use heavy connectors when the cheap plastic ones work 99.99% as well?
GM specs them inferiorly, then when they predictably fail, GM blames the supplier. We've seen it before. It's still a GM fault.
Much like the Consumer Reports automotive report shows a large difference between the Fords and Mazdas that came off the same line. The Americans will notice the difference, even if there isn't one.
And China is better at assembly than the USA.
I've hit 100k without unscheduled maintenance, except for wear items identified as not lasting that long, (tires and such). Not like "old" cars where points (wear items) never lasted as long as they "should" and the distributor cap was not a wear item, but managed to fail. Transmission failures were common. blown gaskets were surprisingly common for the low level of compression.
Wheel bearings, door latches, headliners, window winding mechanisms. Old cars are delicate. And new cars last much longer.
And don't forget, Mexico counts as "domestic" for parts. So 100% Mexican will be sold as 100% "American" with 0% USA content. Though often the engines will be built in Canada and shipped to Mexico for final assembly. The USA is a speed bump, not a location of manufacture.
"BA" has no sources. Nor listing "domestic" content to show that the engine and tranny may be USA for your Ram, but nothing else is.
Don't mod me down as a troll or flamebait, either, because it's not like there isn't a history of low-quality crap coming out of China.
My story of this is in my dealings with China, I had a manufacturer ask me to help translate a letter. The Lewisville Lizards asked for a mascot stuffed animal "cheapest materials possible". That China gives stupid people what they ask for isn't China's fault. Low quality crap was what came out because that's what was ordered.
Even UBI is hard to implement: if we weren't in so much debt, the transition off Social Security would be a lot easier, and the change-over would be faster, because we could just leverage debt.
I don't see how that matters. We can do what we are already doing, just print more to pay for it. Debt is irrelevant, unless you want a stable economy, and the last 20 years have shown that's not a political goal.
You don't seem to understand just how economics works, either. "Nearly every economic policy/theory" would envelop thousands, if not millions, of policies. For example: Throw out NASA, institute a National Medical Research Agency under the NIH instead. Why? Because fuck Pfeizer, and the whoring of overpriced drugs, and the killing of low-cost, life-saving treatments in favor of research into high-cost maintenance drugs.
That's not an economic theory. That's a specific implementation of an economic policy. I wasn't including the infininte number of "fund this, not that" choices. Theory is how to tax, how to own.
Though I did think of one that I haven't ever seen tried. No previously stable government has moved to a "no-tax, print for expenses" economy. Only unstable governments have done it when inflation was so bad it didn't matter anymore.
I suggest no minimum wage under UBI, because minimum wage gives employers more negotiating power to pin unskilled labor to a fixed number that you have to lobby congress to increase. Removing minimum wage means the individual has to decide if the job at the given wage increases their quality of life: your employer must negotiate with every single individual job seeker, who will decide if they like life more with more money (to buy a larger apartment, better food, Wii U) or if they're making too little money (working 40 hours shoveling gravel for a case of beer).
I would have a trivial minimum wage, but only to prevent worker abuse if there's a new class of $0.50 workers. Perhaps no initial minimum, and instituting one if there looks to be a problem.
I'm a fan of the ideal free market. Where barriers are low, and information is free. People can't make "free" decisions in our free market, because the companies are lying to them, and lobbying for market barriers. The "big 3" delayed their demise through regulation, but once the foreign makers gave up looking for the USA to play fair, they built factories in the US and beat the pants off the big 3, who should have closed their car building operations immediately and just made pickups until they went under. Well, 2 of the big 3 have gone under, and the last keeps flirting with it. A nepotistic CEO looking to keep the name alive, and failing in the marketplace.
Though, I'd note that as far as we know, all would pass that. None were tested 1 year after max write rating, but they were all run past max write rating, in an attempt to make them fail. Did anyone stop writing at the max write rating and wait a year?
Can you link to that claim, or did you make it up?
Stop storing them in the oven...