Actually 1 in 1000 is terrible odds, what about animals, property damage, and cosmetic wilderness damage? If it lands and destroys part of some farm and kills a few animals is that ok?
There are more things on Earth than just people and some of them are actually very important. A responsible space agency would understand this and release the gamma ray satellite when they are sure it can be landed safely into the ocean. Risking a few ocean fish sure beats a potential hit or near hit to a populated area.
Do we really need more people to drool over the "loveliness" of ivory, in any form? Sure its long dead mammoth ivory not african ivory, but this guy also uses water buffalo horns in his weirdo knife fetish thats fit for the HSN. Call me crazy buy shouldn't mammoth ivory be in a musueum or anywhere but a knife collector's hilt?
I don't want to sound too PETA-esque but a progressive site like/. providing traffic for someone who glorifies ivory (if african ivory was still available as it was in its heyday I'm sure he'd still be using it) looks pretty anachronistic.
Blackheart: Mr. Simpson, I think you'll find this amount more than fair.
Lisa: Dad, I think he's an ivory dealer! His boots are ivory, his hat is ivory, and I'm pretty sure that check is ivory.
Homer: Lisa, a guy who's got lots of ivory is _less_ likely to hurt Stampy than a guy whose ivory supplies are low.
Oh I see, you're taking the position that because people can afford to be gouged that they should be gouged and not complain about it.
CD prices are artificialy inflated, you prove to me that they arent. Here's a little something from the Federal Trade Commision to start you off:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/05/cdpres.htm
I and many others would rather not be gouged, thanks. Defending the status quo with this economic arguments is hardly convincing. Then again what do I know I'm an aristocratic PC owner. Lets ignore that PC hardware is sold at market prices with little or no inflation over what the market can bear, maybe thats why they're so popular and affordable.
If you think an entry level PC is 2 grand maybe you should take a break from your anti-napster crusade and get out of the house for 10 minutes. Painting computer users as wealthy aristocrats is about convincing and realistic as all the other RIAA arguments.
It's all been said before, just not this time
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Funny, what you didn't say is really all that matters in this case and why so many people don't want to take the RIAA's side:
There's a difference between blaming software and blaming users.
Maybe you're all for helping to push legislation that will make programs like napster, scour, and gnutella illegal instead of enforcing existing laws on the local user level. Make no mistake about it this is the RIAA's main goal.
Maybe you're all for corporate policing the net.
Maybe you're all for putting the right of the wealthy to become more wealthy above your right to use the net.
Maybe you're an idiot and your know it and that's why you posted as an AC.
I'd say the chances of a successful class action suit in VA against spyware publishers just went up quite a bit. Any VA lawyers interested in nabbing the next spyware release?
Whats this about MP3 ruining high and low end? At 128kbs the psychoacoustic alogrithms should just remove 'redunant' sounds that people don't hear anyways. Sounds like someone is judging MP3 quality through 1-inch PC speakers.
The digital version won't make money until there's a cheap(not a Laptop price), convenient, portable, high-resolution solution in the market. Like a electronic book that can download something like a.pdf file and make it easy on the eyes and able to sit in the bathroom for 1 week without losing all its power. Imagine the fun of sharing libraries a la Napster, not that Napster will be legal then.
I think the big question is whether MS can handle the PR nightmare that the move would produce. It would be common knowledge that they left because of the anti-trust case and would pretty much be admitting that yes, they are an abuse monopoly regardless of how well the groom and pose that talking chimp Ballmer.
They'd quickly become more of a pariah in the mainstream press then they've already become quickly losing consumer trust. Hopefully they'll take the plunge, lose credibility, and give consumers something of choice in home PC OS's. While I'm fantasizing, they can turn the Redmond campus into a huge public park...
Seriously if they did move would the end user really care as long as they get their next version of windows under $90? Would the US gov put a tariff on imported OS's? Sounds like a lose/lose situation for the consumer.
Instead of having an intelligent exchange about MS's statement the moderators have decided to up an obvious troll or a very ignorant opinion that anyone who even remotely ignores slashdot would realize has little to do with reality.
I love the line about MS not doing anything illegal, its like the anti-trust case never happened to this guy.
Lets all do our part and hope we get this post during meta-moderation so we punish these moderators.
I'm really interested how you can equate Holden with that last interesting FTL article at the NYT or even quantum mechanics in general? Occam's Razor cuts both ways you know.
By defending the established copyright laws and precidents they're only giving corporate thugs like MS more power. Its one thing to try to protect your copyright and its another to start a campaign that's nothing more than airing your gripes about MS in public because you fail to see your problem is with the failings of the legal system than copyright legislation.
About this trademark hassle, how many times does it have to be pointed out that if you want to create a defendable TM you should create some nonsense word like Kleenex or Xerox instead of combining two common words like digital and diva. Even Metallica knows that much.
They'd get a lot more sympathy if they focused on the real problem of corporate bully vs. independant users instead of treading on the very hotly debated ground of copyrights.
"Before you can play Mechabutteryfly Pong attack you must agree to convert your TV to PAL and use only the MS PAL adapter with your XBox as anti-trust litigation has tied Microsoft's hands and we cannot be expected to make competiting products incompatible anymore."
Legally things are either legal or illegal, but in the real world people constantly are making decisions in the "shades of gray" areas. I feel perfectly at easy doing 75 in a 65mph zone, I habitually break drug laws, and I'll download MP3's till I'm blue in the face.
*Everyone* acts and thinks this way, if the laws actually reflected what was right and was wrong, then things would be different, but they don't. Assuming all Napster users are hurtful pirates really doesn't jive much with reality, how many of these users are willing to sell burned copies or imitation T-shirts to alternative teeny-boppers? Probably none.
People will always put their morality in front of the law and I can't blame them as the law usually serves the power-strictures, not the citizen. Breaking laws that you think are unfair and limit your freedoms is perfectly healthy, if we were all law-loving automatons we'd still be in the midst of slave owners, theocracies, and illiterate life-long sweatshop workers.
If you really want to convince the MP3 trading community to stop what they're doing you have to prove that the current copyright laws are more helpful than hurtful and that the industry doesn't artificially inflate their prices. Good luck with those two.
Napster neatly shows you the kbs of each searched MP3, considering the standard is 128kbps which is near CD-quality you are getting a version of the music which most people can't distinguish from a CD.wav file.
Low quality MP3's are like 64 or so kbs, they're reserved for low quality live tracks. It never made much sense to me, you might as well go with a 128kbs for the best sound vs. filesize equation.
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Actually 1 in 1000 is terrible odds, what about animals, property damage, and cosmetic wilderness damage? If it lands and destroys part of some farm and kills a few animals is that ok?
There are more things on Earth than just people and some of them are actually very important. A responsible space agency would understand this and release the gamma ray satellite when they are sure it can be landed safely into the ocean. Risking a few ocean fish sure beats a potential hit or near hit to a populated area.
Do we really need more people to drool over the "loveliness" of ivory, in any form? Sure its long dead mammoth ivory not african ivory, but this guy also uses water buffalo horns in his weirdo knife fetish thats fit for the HSN. Call me crazy buy shouldn't mammoth ivory be in a musueum or anywhere but a knife collector's hilt?
/. providing traffic for someone who glorifies ivory (if african ivory was still available as it was in its heyday I'm sure he'd still be using it) looks pretty anachronistic.
I don't want to sound too PETA-esque but a progressive site like
Blackheart: Mr. Simpson, I think you'll find this amount more than fair.
Lisa: Dad, I think he's an ivory dealer! His boots are ivory, his hat is ivory, and I'm pretty sure that check is ivory.
Homer: Lisa, a guy who's got lots of ivory is _less_ likely to hurt Stampy than a guy whose ivory supplies are low.
Oh I see, you're taking the position that because people can afford to be gouged that they should be gouged and not complain about it.
CD prices are artificialy inflated, you prove to me that they arent. Here's a little something from the Federal Trade Commision to start you off:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/05/cdpres.htm
I and many others would rather not be gouged, thanks. Defending the status quo with this economic arguments is hardly convincing. Then again what do I know I'm an aristocratic PC owner. Lets ignore that PC hardware is sold at market prices with little or no inflation over what the market can bear, maybe thats why they're so popular and affordable.
If you think an entry level PC is 2 grand maybe you should take a break from your anti-napster crusade and get out of the house for 10 minutes. Painting computer users as wealthy aristocrats is about convincing and realistic as all the other RIAA arguments.
Funny, what you didn't say is really all that matters in this case and why so many people don't want to take the RIAA's side:
There's a difference between blaming software and blaming users.
Maybe you're all for helping to push legislation that will make programs like napster, scour, and gnutella illegal instead of enforcing existing laws on the local user level. Make no mistake about it this is the RIAA's main goal.
Maybe you're all for corporate policing the net.
Maybe you're all for putting the right of the wealthy to become more wealthy above your right to use the net.
Maybe you're an idiot and your know it and that's why you posted as an AC.
I'd say the chances of a successful class action suit in VA against spyware publishers just went up quite a bit. Any VA lawyers interested in nabbing the next spyware release?
The Ponds Institute just released a list of top cosmetics that cause wrinkles.
People who intentionally spread a computer virus face a seven-year prison sentence and a $15,000 fine
It does say intentionally.
Whats this about MP3 ruining high and low end? At 128kbs the psychoacoustic alogrithms should just remove 'redunant' sounds that people don't hear anyways. Sounds like someone is judging MP3 quality through 1-inch PC speakers.
The digital version won't make money until there's a cheap(not a Laptop price), convenient, portable, high-resolution solution in the market. Like a electronic book that can download something like a .pdf file and make it easy on the eyes and able to sit in the bathroom for 1 week without losing all its power. Imagine the fun of sharing libraries a la Napster, not that Napster will be legal then.
I think the big question is whether MS can handle the PR nightmare that the move would produce. It would be common knowledge that they left because of the anti-trust case and would pretty much be admitting that yes, they are an abuse monopoly regardless of how well the groom and pose that talking chimp Ballmer.
They'd quickly become more of a pariah in the mainstream press then they've already become quickly losing consumer trust. Hopefully they'll take the plunge, lose credibility, and give consumers something of choice in home PC OS's. While I'm fantasizing, they can turn the Redmond campus into a huge public park...
Seriously if they did move would the end user really care as long as they get their next version of windows under $90? Would the US gov put a tariff on imported OS's? Sounds like a lose/lose situation for the consumer.
That's fine, just expect a huge tariff on foriegn OS's.
Instead of having an intelligent exchange about MS's statement the moderators have decided to up an obvious troll or a very ignorant opinion that anyone who even remotely ignores slashdot would realize has little to do with reality.
I love the line about MS not doing anything illegal, its like the anti-trust case never happened to this guy.
Lets all do our part and hope we get this post during meta-moderation so we punish these moderators.
Fire away I got tons of karma to spare.
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I'm really interested how you can equate Holden with that last interesting FTL article at the NYT or even quantum mechanics in general? Occam's Razor cuts both ways you know.
Check out the replies to this one.
What if the game makes music? What then? Hmmm... Maybe something like Apple Records vs Apple Computers.
By defending the established copyright laws and precidents they're only giving corporate thugs like MS more power. Its one thing to try to protect your copyright and its another to start a campaign that's nothing more than airing your gripes about MS in public because you fail to see your problem is with the failings of the legal system than copyright legislation.
About this trademark hassle, how many times does it have to be pointed out that if you want to create a defendable TM you should create some nonsense word like Kleenex or Xerox instead of combining two common words like digital and diva. Even Metallica knows that much.
They'd get a lot more sympathy if they focused on the real problem of corporate bully vs. independant users instead of treading on the very hotly debated ground of copyrights.
A programmer's union, just imagine the press the strikes would get.
"Before you can play Mechabutteryfly Pong attack you must agree to convert your TV to PAL and use only the MS PAL adapter with your XBox as anti-trust litigation has tied Microsoft's hands and we cannot be expected to make competiting products incompatible anymore."
He's still angry about quantum mechanics. Nice guy, but can sure hold a grudge.
Legally things are either legal or illegal, but in the real world people constantly are making decisions in the "shades of gray" areas. I feel perfectly at easy doing 75 in a 65mph zone, I habitually break drug laws, and I'll download MP3's till I'm blue in the face.
*Everyone* acts and thinks this way, if the laws actually reflected what was right and was wrong, then things would be different, but they don't. Assuming all Napster users are hurtful pirates really doesn't jive much with reality, how many of these users are willing to sell burned copies or imitation T-shirts to alternative teeny-boppers? Probably none.
People will always put their morality in front of the law and I can't blame them as the law usually serves the power-strictures, not the citizen. Breaking laws that you think are unfair and limit your freedoms is perfectly healthy, if we were all law-loving automatons we'd still be in the midst of slave owners, theocracies, and illiterate life-long sweatshop workers.
If you really want to convince the MP3 trading community to stop what they're doing you have to prove that the current copyright laws are more helpful than hurtful and that the industry doesn't artificially inflate their prices. Good luck with those two.
Napster neatly shows you the kbs of each searched MP3, considering the standard is 128kbps which is near CD-quality you are getting a version of the music which most people can't distinguish from a CD .wav file.
Low quality MP3's are like 64 or so kbs, they're reserved for low quality live tracks. It never made much sense to me, you might as well go with a 128kbs for the best sound vs. filesize equation.
He's just as incomprensible in person, though I'm sure its his meth addiction that keeps stopping his train of thought every 3 or 4 words.
Sooner or later someone is going to use this freshly-mowed stench on astroturf, mark my words.