Well regarding Eclipse, Java was a 2nd class citizen under Jobs, so I am skeptical of any commitment to the platform under OS X. from the time we couldn't ship Java 6 features because Apple were still on version 5, and refusing to update some computers from 1.4.2.
Things may have changed since Larry took over the port but the distrust is still there and for cross-platform development, I see little reason to embrace a Mac. Vim and emacs work equally well on Linux, if not better.:)
Understably if one were developing products for iPhone or Mac then certainly.
Intel NUC and Gigabyte Brix have stolen the market share of the Mac mini, for those of us who don't run OS X at least.
Now compare the price of the base iMac ($US1099) to the base Mini ($US499). That's a $US600 price difference for near identical specs (8GB vs 4GB). I'm sure it's a lovely screen but c'mon. I can buy a very nice monitor for $US200 and attach a NUC to the back with a vesa mounting plate. With the advantage I can keep the screen when I upgrade to a newer computer and sell the other one online for 50% of its original value.
Wanting the Mac Mini to succeed while not acknowledging that iMacs earn Apple a tidy markup?
We must mix in different circles then because most developers I know use Eclipse/Visual Studio/emacs/vim. Buying a macbook just to run a productivity OS in Virtualbox seems a cruel and unusual punishment.:)
I know scads of people who prefer to use a full size keyboard with a proper number pad etc at their desks. And the number of that prefer a mouse to the trackpad is legion.
Mouse, yes. Perhaps I'm uncoordinated (don't answer that!) but I find using a trackpad torturous. Selecting text, middle click paste, lack of a scroll wheel are all challenges.
But I never understood the external keyboard. My fingers learned how to adjust to the cramped keyboard of a 12.1" laptop and switching to a full-size keyboard throughout the day interfered with muscle memory. But then I don't use the numeric keypad significantly.
This would be a non-issue if Google supported some kind of ESR release, as Firefox has. i.e. Firefox is now at 36 but debian stable will ship with the 31.x ESR. (One can pull the 36.0 release from experimental if game)
In any case, it's the direction their competitor Mozilla are moving in, IIRC. XUL support won't be added to servo. In Firefox OS, the concept of a "browser" is superfluous when the entire UI is html5. There's a browser.html project, with the aim of emulating a desktop browser, if you're curious.
1 loads pages in the background, not rendering until complete giving perception of slowness. Probably lots of weird ajaxy calls. 2 memory consumption higher due to process model 3 stuttery scrolling using mouse wheel.
Arranging LEDs in a circle is a relatively minor feat of engineering, certainly. Smashing 50 odd years of hegemony that suggest screens are rectangular is a source of innovation on the software side.
The utility of such a device will not be displaying the conventional clock face, pie chart, speedometer or compass but how developers rise to the challenge and 'innovate' in adapting general purpose user interfaces to small, round, screens.
(Okay, so a Star Wars style (ep4) portable holographic projector watch would truly be innovative.)
The more "PC" like my mobile devices get, the happier I am.
I take it you never used a Pocket PC device then?:) MS tried to bring a modified Windows UI to a handheld and it wasn't fun. Stabbing a resistive touch screen with a scratchy stylus to navigate a start menu on a 3.5" screen was painful.
Windows 10 on phones doesn't attempt to run desktop software. Rather, MS' approach now is to develop a universal app that shares the same codebase but is completely reskinned appropriately for different form factors. The interface is appropriate for each device, which was the main criticism of 8.x on desktops.
The (wireless) docking station could make a comeback though. Dock your phone and it instantly transforms into a Windows 10 workstation with mouse, keyboard and 4K screen. All your apps seamlessly then transform into their desktop counterparts.
I think there's a lot of promise in Windows 10 but cramming a desktop UI onto a phone didn't work with Pocket PC/WinCE and neither did upscaling a phone UI onto a desktop work with Windows 8.
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Well regarding Eclipse, Java was a 2nd class citizen under Jobs, so I am skeptical of any commitment to the platform under OS X. from the time we couldn't ship Java 6 features because Apple were still on version 5, and refusing to update some computers from 1.4.2.
Things may have changed since Larry took over the port but the distrust is still there and for cross-platform development, I see little reason to embrace a Mac. Vim and emacs work equally well on Linux, if not better. :)
Understably if one were developing products for iPhone or Mac then certainly.
Yep hence Vala, which transpiles to C-with-GObject.
Intel NUC and Gigabyte Brix have stolen the market share of the Mac mini, for those of us who don't run OS X at least.
Now compare the price of the base iMac ($US1099) to the base Mini ($US499). That's a $US600 price difference for near identical specs (8GB vs 4GB). I'm sure it's a lovely screen but c'mon. I can buy a very nice monitor for $US200 and attach a NUC to the back with a vesa mounting plate. With the advantage I can keep the screen when I upgrade to a newer computer and sell the other one online for 50% of its original value.
Wanting the Mac Mini to succeed while not acknowledging that iMacs earn Apple a tidy markup?
Developers?
We must mix in different circles then because most developers I know use Eclipse/Visual Studio/emacs/vim. Buying a macbook just to run a productivity OS in Virtualbox seems a cruel and unusual punishment. :)
trickle down economics... Apple's 'innovation' at the high end will eventually filter down to the masses.
I'm predicting a rise in sales of USB hubs though. :)
Mouse, yes. Perhaps I'm uncoordinated (don't answer that!) but I find using a trackpad torturous. Selecting text, middle click paste, lack of a scroll wheel are all challenges.
But I never understood the external keyboard. My fingers learned how to adjust to the cramped keyboard of a 12.1" laptop and switching to a full-size keyboard throughout the day interfered with muscle memory. But then I don't use the numeric keypad significantly.
One wonders how this 'story' made it through the firehose.
Assuming you're not wedded to Android, they're coming in 2016 running Firefox OS.
Typically in those undead films, it's the living holding a gun to the head of zombies. Just sayin' :)
Ok, I'll pick one - small.
They're not aiming for 'fast' - that misses the point. It's fanless computing chargeable off a USB port. No more power brick.
At least south of the equator.
This would be a non-issue if Google supported some kind of ESR release, as Firefox has. i.e. Firefox is now at 36 but debian stable will ship with the 31.x ESR. (One can pull the 36.0 release from experimental if game)
There's a new model out - the Series 4000.
We"ve been saving daylight for months here in the southern hemisphere.
Is there a postal address in Phoenix we can send the excess?
Mozilla are working on it.
It's called shumway.
Windows 2000 - Microsoft's best OS yet, if you prefer function over eye candy.
(A decade and a half has brought numerous improvements under the hood, no doubt)
A Web UI to render a web page? makes sense to me!
In any case, it's the direction their competitor Mozilla are moving in, IIRC. XUL support won't be added to servo. In Firefox OS, the concept of a "browser" is superfluous when the entire UI is html5. There's a browser.html project, with the aim of emulating a desktop browser, if you're curious.
Posting this using Vivaldi now...
Verdict:
1 loads pages in the background, not rendering until complete giving perception of slowness. Probably lots of weird ajaxy calls.
2 memory consumption higher due to process model
3 stuttery scrolling using mouse wheel.
Thanks but I'll stick with Mozilla.
Perhaps I'll give it another try.
Vivaldi was much more sluggish than Firefox when I tried it the last time Slashdot ran a story on it.
They are.
firefox (iceweasel ) ESR just got an update on debian a couple of days ago with numerous security fixes (31.5.0)
What makes you think they can't be secure AND innovate?
You mean the T2Mobile Flame that I've been using as my daily phone for the past 8 months?
Heathen. Get thee to a good poutinerie in Montreal!
'on a computer'.
Arranging LEDs in a circle is a relatively minor feat of engineering, certainly. Smashing 50 odd years of hegemony that suggest screens are rectangular is a source of innovation on the software side.
The utility of such a device will not be displaying the conventional clock face, pie chart, speedometer or compass but how developers rise to the challenge and 'innovate' in adapting general purpose user interfaces to small, round, screens.
(Okay, so a Star Wars style (ep4) portable holographic projector watch would truly be innovative.)
I take it you never used a Pocket PC device then? :) MS tried to bring a modified Windows UI to a handheld and it wasn't fun. Stabbing a resistive touch screen with a scratchy stylus to navigate a start menu on a 3.5" screen was painful.
Windows 10 on phones doesn't attempt to run desktop software. Rather, MS' approach now is to develop a universal app that shares the same codebase but is completely reskinned appropriately for different form factors. The interface is appropriate for each device, which was the main criticism of 8.x on desktops.
The (wireless) docking station could make a comeback though. Dock your phone and it instantly transforms into a Windows 10 workstation with mouse, keyboard and 4K screen. All your apps seamlessly then transform into their desktop counterparts.
I think there's a lot of promise in Windows 10 but cramming a desktop UI onto a phone didn't work with Pocket PC/WinCE and neither did upscaling a phone UI onto a desktop work with Windows 8.