What upsets me the most about this whole ordeal is that right now, kids are learning to keep quiet.
Many said they regretted speaking frankly about their feelings about school, and wouldn't do it again. They were wise.
So here you have teachers and councilers trying to get kids to open up, and then they turn righ around and suspend them. That is so incredibly assinine. It seems like a place of learning should know that punishment is not the best solution. I am sure some of these kids will never open their mouths again when it comes to their personal feelings.
How do you feel about the Columbine murders?
Well, to be honest, I can sorta identify with how the kids who did the killing felt.
So in this case, the obvious solution would be to suspend the student. He will certainly know better in the future to ever think that!
With me, the real issue is not that I do not trust my government... though that might chaneg at some point.
I just feel that we have the right to be informed (as I posted above). Obviously, a lot of money is being pumped into this program... well, that is our money. I want to know where it is going, and I want to know if it is working (which we really have no idea). I am not demanding that I should have the choice of where my money goes, but only the knowledge (if I want it). This should be our rights as citizens... no matter what they think our best interests are. Especially something like this, that could greatly effect our lives (the potential is certainly there).
Well the obvious concern would be that we have a system in place where a lot of abuse could occur.
To be honest, my largest problem with this is not that they are monitoring for key words... but that we, as citizens, do not know about it.
Yes, if we knew about it, we probably would not be writing KILL PRESIDENT ALLAH NUCLEAR JIHAD ASSASINATION as much in our e-mails or phone conversations... but I would imagine that the majority of terrorists are a bit paranoid and would refain from those obvious word phrases as well.
It seems like a large waste of money to me... I wonder how many terrorist acts have been prevented through this technology. Perhaps it has been helpful... I tend to think not.
In the song Forgiven, the "Cello Cello Cello Cello Cello Cello.." part was supposed to be played with... you guessed it, a string section. But the record company would not spring for the cost to bring in extra musicians... so Townshend thought it would be funny to mouth the part instead.
And Kaa's point is merely that things are better. The fact that a forum such as Slashdot has done so well, is a testament to this.
Yet, even on Slashdot, you have a capitalist structure. Yes, the majority of posters do genuinely wish to help others... but I bet a lot of us are also spurred by karma. I know that I am more likely to post somewhat intelligent comments because I like the idea of having a high karma. We like our rewards... there is no denying it.
Though that still does not stop me from changing my sig, which has pissed off a few of the moderators lacking a sense of humor... ah well.
Though it is in general good business practice to offer the rights.
Traditional Rights Offerings now happen so rarely though anyways. The vast majority of mature companies rarely issue new common stock. It is usually associated with the recapitalization of a highly leveraged company following a takeover or a merger. They are also ssociated with your poison pills now.
Of course, this is not a painless procedure. The more stock is issued, the more the value of the existing shares is diluted (or "watered down"). If the company has 100 shares outstanding, each share was worth 1% of the company. If 100 more shares are issued, all shares will now be worth only 0.5% of the company, so the previous share owners clearly become worse off.
Yes, but you are forgetting one important thing. Existing Common stockholders have the right to maintain their proportianate ownership of the outstanding stock when new shares are issued. This is known as preemptive right.
For example, if you own 10% of a company's outstanding common shares and the company issues an additional 500,000 shares, you automatically have the right to purchase 10%, or 50,000 of the new shares. This offer MUST be made to you before the new shares go out.
In order for ADM to not only survive (and I would argue that Intel is going to make sure they do), but to prosper, they need to really break into the high-end chip market. Where they have made their mark... the low-end, is not where you want to be. Profits are so slim at that level, and it is almost a losing venture.
In a separate article, the newspaper said a move toward Web-based computing, together with expectations for a negative ruling in the federal antitrust case against Microsoft and a close reading of its revenue numbers, are leading some money-managers to cut back their holdings in the software giant
This close reading of its revenue numbers refers to Microsoft's future unearned revenue, which consists of revenues set aside from the sales of W'98, WNT and Office to pay for future improvements. Essentially, it reflects previous sales that have not been recorded in the income statement. Microsoft pioneered this practice for software companies starting with W'95... it is more common in other areas (magazines for instance).
The concern is that this quarter marks the first ever drop in this slightly arcane (and not too accurate) indicator.
I would not be too optimistic that this company is in any sort of trouble. When you are sitting on $20 billion in cash, and absolutely no debt... you tend to have some staying power:)
Well the chip market is expected to grow 15% this year. That is certainly less than previous growth rates, so I am sure they are starting to feel the need to be stealing some market share back.
I am of the opinion that Intel somewhat gave AMD a nice market share in the low-end/low-profit business last year just to keep the regulators of their back. They are pretty shrewd. Plus, when they started taking heat, they simply settled out of court instead of losing face like Microsoft in a drawn out court battle.
This is why I would want this going on well before my child was ever in highschool.
Christ, when I was in highschool I lied my ass off on every single test I could take:
Q: How often do you freebase? A: Daily
I would like these tendancies to be identified while they are still forming... I just see the chances of adequatly adressing them as being much higher.
Would I kill a person? I don't know. Certainly not out of anger. I am not an angry person.
Filtering out the human touch in the name of increased efficiency is not the solution. One does not sooth psychic damage through machinery.
Agreed. This system is intended to do the opposite. It sets a universal standard (and like it or not... you are not as unique as you think) that will aid councilors when dealing with children. It will encourage councilors, teachers and administrators to become more involved. This is the intention.
As a parent, I would want school staff to become more involved in my child. And I want that to be based on more than just my child's appearance. If my child is anti-social then I want them to realize that, and to hopefully be able to work with him, WITHOUT assuming he is some kind of a threat.
If my child does turn out to have warning signs of a violent nature, I want that to be identified as early as possible and adressed. Sometimes parents can not see that, no matter how involved they are (Columbine is an example of this). If there is a universal method used to aid councilors in determining these warning signs, I want it done...
To be honest, I do not even enjoy watching football in the slightest... and I laughed pretty hard at the interpretation of the school providing teams with scantily clad girls:)
I watch the Super Bowl for the commercials, and I go to my school's homecoming football game every year because I enjoy drinking beer outside with my friends. I might glance at the game once or twice.
But, I am definitely in the minority on that... the fact is that football drives schools... money and attention from football drives schools. I am for football scholarships because I like the idea that (hopefully) some of those lugs will actually get an education... and in the meantime, they are helping pay for the education of numerous others (football = revenues = more scholarships).
I am however, a huge advocate of Division III athletics. At this level, athletic scholarships are illegal... and the kids that decide to play sports do for the pure love and enjoyment of the sport. That is great, and I do wish things were more like that across the board... but I do not think that is very realistic.
I really do not believe this is the first step towards a Brave New World or a 1984 society. The tests are meant to merely serve as an aid. This is not the "end all means" here.
This is not going to lead to them filing our kids into lines, feeding their responses into a computer and shipping them off to their designated groups. There is not some "master mind" behind all this... people really are trying to do the right thing.
It is my hope that this will help teachers actually break down stereotypes... enabling them to make more informed decisions, not solely based on whether the kid is social or unsocial.
HOWEVER none of that should be state sponsored school administered activity. It should be a seperate thing, ie the REC Department that most counties have.
I believe it should be a scool's responsibility to sponser extra-curricular activities. This includes sports. Would you suggest the schools also stop supporting theatre and putting on school plays? A lot of money goes into this extra-curricular activity as well.
I bitched and moaned in high school and college about how the football and basketball teams got the royal treatment as well. But I am now able to see around that. Football and basketball are simply the nation's most popular sports. By fostering good teams, schools increase more than just ticket sales. The whole school benefits from this notoriety.
I wish to peanuts that other sports were more popular however... but that is the way it is right now.
While I actually enjoy most of Katz's posts, I have found myself vehemently disagreeing with him when the subject of highschool is brought up... ever since the end of the original Hellmouth series (those had merit).
But this idea that parents/teachers/councilors/adminatrators are just trying to keep kids down is simply ludicrous. The one that made me laugh probably the hardest was "Go to the movie theatre and take a kid to see South Park day". I trully believe that the vast majority of parents and teachers really do have kids' best interestes in mind, and that they do know better than most teenagers.
When I was in highschool, Katz would have been a hero to me... I knew it all, and everything was so unfair and no one understood me blah blah blah. But now I am a little older, and I continually suprise myself when I think "Yah know, my parents actually did know what they were talking about". While Katz may have the teenage anthem down well, he fails to rally those of us that have gotten over that phase.
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What upsets me the most about this whole ordeal is that right now, kids are learning to keep quiet.
Many said they regretted speaking frankly about their feelings about school, and wouldn't do it again. They were wise.
So here you have teachers and councilers trying to get kids to open up, and then they turn righ around and suspend them. That is so incredibly assinine. It seems like a place of learning should know that punishment is not the best solution. I am sure some of these kids will never open their mouths again when it comes to their personal feelings.
How do you feel about the Columbine murders?
Well, to be honest, I can sorta identify with how the kids who did the killing felt.
So in this case, the obvious solution would be to suspend the student. He will certainly know better in the future to ever think that!
Great fucking solution.
So are they going to continue on with the Second Coming of Christ theme they used in the first one?
The parallels are striking.
Keep up the good work.
With me, the real issue is not that I do not trust my government... though that might chaneg at some point.
I just feel that we have the right to be informed (as I posted above). Obviously, a lot of money is being pumped into this program... well, that is our money. I want to know where it is going, and I want to know if it is working (which we really have no idea). I am not demanding that I should have the choice of where my money goes, but only the knowledge (if I want it). This should be our rights as citizens... no matter what they think our best interests are. Especially something like this, that could greatly effect our lives (the potential is certainly there).
Do you see this point?
So is the government going to start subsidizing chip makers in the future?
Hell, they pay the farmers to not produce certain crops in order to maintain higher prices for all. Something I think is so silly.
Well the obvious concern would be that we have a system in place where a lot of abuse could occur.
To be honest, my largest problem with this is not that they are monitoring for key words... but that we, as citizens, do not know about it.
Yes, if we knew about it, we probably would not be writing KILL PRESIDENT ALLAH NUCLEAR JIHAD ASSASINATION as much in our e-mails or phone conversations... but I would imagine that the majority of terrorists are a bit paranoid and would refain from those obvious word phrases as well.
It seems like a large waste of money to me... I wonder how many terrorist acts have been prevented through this technology. Perhaps it has been helpful... I tend to think not.
Do you mean A Quick One?
:)
yeah... I never pay attention to the song titles. I just assumed that was the title
It is a great one.
In the song Forgiven, the "Cello Cello Cello Cello Cello Cello.." part was supposed to be played with... you guessed it, a string section. But the record company would not spring for the cost to bring in extra musicians... so Townshend thought it would be funny to mouth the part instead.
Well, it cracks me up at least...
And Kaa's point is merely that things are better. The fact that a forum such as Slashdot has done so well, is a testament to this.
Yet, even on Slashdot, you have a capitalist structure. Yes, the majority of posters do genuinely wish to help others... but I bet a lot of us are also spurred by karma. I know that I am more likely to post somewhat intelligent comments because I like the idea of having a high karma. We like our rewards... there is no denying it.
Though that still does not stop me from changing my sig, which has pissed off a few of the moderators lacking a sense of humor... ah well.
Though it is in general good business practice to offer the rights.
Traditional Rights Offerings now happen so rarely though anyways. The vast majority of mature companies rarely issue new common stock. It is usually associated with the recapitalization of a highly leveraged company following a takeover or a merger. They are also ssociated with your poison pills now.
Of course, this is not a painless procedure. The more stock is issued, the more the value of the existing shares is diluted (or "watered down"). If the company has 100 shares outstanding, each share was worth 1% of the company. If 100 more shares are issued, all shares will now be worth only 0.5% of the company, so the previous share owners clearly become worse off.
Yes, but you are forgetting one important thing.
Existing Common stockholders have the right to maintain their proportianate ownership of the outstanding stock when new shares are issued. This is known as preemptive right.
For example, if you own 10% of a company's outstanding common shares and the company issues an additional 500,000 shares, you automatically have the right to purchase 10%, or 50,000 of the new shares. This offer MUST be made to you before the new shares go out.
Both stock buybacks and stock splits have long been considered legitimate tools for a company to use to keep stock value up for shareholders.
Yes, company's have a responsibility to their shareholder's... they are afterall, the owners. Would he like to outlaw dividends as well?
Porn on the WEB!!???
... I am cancelling my ISP.
any slashdotter could give you a more interesting, historically accurate, and comprehensive list.
I am still waiting for someone to put it together.
Hurry up.
Yup.
In order for ADM to not only survive (and I would argue that Intel is going to make sure they do), but to prosper, they need to really break into the high-end chip market. Where they have made their mark... the low-end, is not where you want to be. Profits are so slim at that level, and it is almost a losing venture.
In a separate article, the newspaper said a move toward Web-based computing, together with expectations for a negative ruling in the federal antitrust case against Microsoft and a close reading of its revenue numbers, are leading some money-managers to cut back their holdings in the software giant
:)
This close reading of its revenue numbers refers to Microsoft's future unearned revenue, which consists of revenues set aside from the sales of W'98, WNT and Office to pay for future improvements. Essentially, it reflects previous sales that have not been recorded in the income statement. Microsoft pioneered this practice for software companies starting with W'95... it is more common in other areas (magazines for instance).
The concern is that this quarter marks the first ever drop in this slightly arcane (and not too accurate) indicator.
I would not be too optimistic that this company is in any sort of trouble. When you are sitting on $20 billion in cash, and absolutely no debt... you tend to have some staying power
Well the chip market is expected to grow 15% this year. That is certainly less than previous growth rates, so I am sure they are starting to feel the need to be stealing some market share back.
I am of the opinion that Intel somewhat gave AMD a nice market share in the low-end/low-profit business last year just to keep the regulators of their back. They are pretty shrewd. Plus, when they started taking heat, they simply settled out of court instead of losing face like Microsoft in a drawn out court battle.
... or is this actually playing in theatres?
This is why I would want this going on well before my child was ever in highschool.
Christ, when I was in highschool I lied my ass off on every single test I could take:
Q: How often do you freebase?
A: Daily
I would like these tendancies to be identified while they are still forming... I just see the chances of adequatly adressing them as being much higher.
Would I kill a person? I don't know. Certainly not out of anger. I am not an angry person.
Perhaps out of good humor?
Filtering out the human touch in the name of increased efficiency is not the solution. One does not sooth psychic damage through machinery.
Agreed. This system is intended to do the opposite. It sets a universal standard (and like it or not... you are not as unique as you think) that will aid councilors when dealing with children. It will encourage councilors, teachers and administrators to become more involved. This is the intention.
As a parent, I would want school staff to become more involved in my child. And I want that to be based on more than just my child's appearance. If my child is anti-social then I want them to realize that, and to hopefully be able to work with him, WITHOUT assuming he is some kind of a threat.
If my child does turn out to have warning signs of a violent nature, I want that to be identified as early as possible and adressed. Sometimes parents can not see that, no matter how involved they are (Columbine is an example of this). If there is a universal method used to aid councilors in determining these warning signs, I want it done...
Years of experience != infalibility, it only equals effeciency at what you've done in the past.
I am not sure if you are trying to prove or disprove my point, but I feel that whatever your intentions... it supports me.
This system will hopefully help eradicate the situation you talk about: Making uninformed assumptions solely based on appearances.
To be honest, I do not even enjoy watching football in the slightest... and I laughed pretty hard at the interpretation of the school providing teams with scantily clad girls :)
I watch the Super Bowl for the commercials, and I go to my school's homecoming football game every year because I enjoy drinking beer outside with my friends. I might glance at the game once or twice.
But, I am definitely in the minority on that... the fact is that football drives schools... money and attention from football drives schools. I am for football scholarships because I like the idea that (hopefully) some of those lugs will actually get an education... and in the meantime, they are helping pay for the education of numerous others (football = revenues = more scholarships).
I am however, a huge advocate of Division III athletics. At this level, athletic scholarships are illegal... and the kids that decide to play sports do for the pure love and enjoyment of the sport. That is great, and I do wish things were more like that across the board... but I do not think that is very realistic.
I really do not believe this is the first step towards a Brave New World or a 1984 society. The tests are meant to merely serve as an aid. This is not the "end all means" here.
This is not going to lead to them filing our kids into lines, feeding their responses into a computer and shipping them off to their designated groups. There is not some "master mind" behind all this... people really are trying to do the right thing.
It is my hope that this will help teachers actually break down stereotypes... enabling them to make more informed decisions, not solely based on whether the kid is social or unsocial.
HOWEVER none of that should be state sponsored school administered activity. It should be a seperate thing, ie the REC Department that most counties have.
I believe it should be a scool's responsibility to sponser extra-curricular activities. This includes sports. Would you suggest the schools also stop supporting theatre and putting on school plays? A lot of money goes into this extra-curricular activity as well.
I bitched and moaned in high school and college about how the football and basketball teams got the royal treatment as well. But I am now able to see around that. Football and basketball are simply the nation's most popular sports. By fostering good teams, schools increase more than just ticket sales. The whole school benefits from this notoriety.
I wish to peanuts that other sports were more popular however... but that is the way it is right now.
It would be nice to get a response.
While I actually enjoy most of Katz's posts, I have found myself vehemently disagreeing with him when the subject of highschool is brought up... ever since the end of the original Hellmouth series (those had merit).
But this idea that parents/teachers/councilors/adminatrators are just trying to keep kids down is simply ludicrous. The one that made me laugh probably the hardest was "Go to the movie theatre and take a kid to see South Park day". I trully believe that the vast majority of parents and teachers really do have kids' best interestes in mind, and that they do know better than most teenagers.
When I was in highschool, Katz would have been a hero to me... I knew it all, and everything was so unfair and no one understood me blah blah blah. But now I am a little older, and I continually suprise myself when I think "Yah know, my parents actually did know what they were talking about". While Katz may have the teenage anthem down well, he fails to rally those of us that have gotten over that phase.