You'll get no argument from me regarding the weight of CRT's, and they're horribly balanced for carrying, too. But like the sofa and the fridge, they spend so little of their life actually moving about, it's not something I factor in when researching a new purchase.
I also go along with you in praising the geometry of flat-panel matrix displays, but note that CRT geometry *can be*, not *is*, a problem.
More to the point, in Denmark (where I live) and Germany there are if not plenty, then at least a number of retailers carrying high-end brands -- and of course the Internet provides *all* the high-end brands. It's all in the reasearch and delivery time one is willing to accept.
Personally, in my living room there's still just a 20-something" 50Hz telly with one measly speaker (albeit for proper sound I have a hifi-connected HDR). I keep pushing back the decision to buy a new set because of, well, progress.
There are still solid players on the CRT market, and apart from the form factor, there is nothing they can't do as well as the modern LCD/Plasma screens.
Gone are the days of insane power needs, gone are the days of 50Hz tellies.
Yet to come are the days of SED TV and even lower power needs, and there will always be that next thing coming up real soon now (tm).
If you have a modest amount of money, you get far more quality in the form of a high-end CRT than a mid-end LCD. (If you have oodles of money, nothing of this post applies to you...)
I'm not saying boo to NEW tech; I'm just saying that it is still VERY new tech, and the curve of improvement over time is still quite steep. Spend your money how you like... but make sure you do what's right for you, not just what's modern.
I can't believe nobody's mentioned "Pirates of Silicon Valley" (1999) yet... it's most certainly about computers/computing, and most certainly portrays them accurately. It's not (all) fiction, but then again the original Q doesn't state it has to be.
That movie, along with the folklore.org site, gives the younger audience as much of a history lesson as can probably be conveyed, about the early history of the current mainstream OSes.
Wow, except for the 'bounce non-text files' part, what you describe is absolutely spot on. Couldn't have said it better meself.
Unfortunately, I also agree that IMAP may be simply too archaic to support this kind of usage. Perhaps a new protocol is needed, but what really stands out from between the lines is a glorified webmail system. When viewed critically, the only thing that actually needs to be at the local client is, um, the display and keyboard. No reason to not keep everything (data, analysis/processing, and traffic) on the server; naturally excepting attachment downloads.
Man, we're going back to the client/server days in the future, I just know it. ^_^
It's pretty simple to make it obvious what's changed and what's original.
I use Lotus Notes at work. For all its problems, this is a much-appreciated feature (intended or otherwise), which I use frequently. In that app, it logs the name of the last signer (saved-by), but even so I write "Mynick: Mynotes" in italics.
I bet the GP was referring to the recent article entitled "Microsoft Wins Industry Standard Status for Office" (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/08/19 40255).
But apart from that, I have no idea who EMCA is/are (I doubt it's a new electronic version of that Beastie Boys member), and why on earth they're not coordinating with the much more de facto, as it were, ISO body. Meh.
> Well, I might flame you for ignorance... but not for intention. Thank you for being so reasonable.:) Apparently I missed the news the other day.
> I really feel that they got inside the head... Wow, great to hear.:) Kudos to the team! I just might try it after the xmas rush settles; my home pc is used to OS swapping (*BSD,*buntu,*DOS,...).
Just last night I discussed with my dad (old time IT dude) how the MSO specs was 6000 pages, the OOo 700, and the Mac GUI specs a mere 60... he thought the OLPC guidelines were interesting reading!
This is a refreshing new take on computing, and quite possibly a necessary and due one, too... but I can't help wondering if this is a case of "hey mac, this new gadget of yours looks GREAT....but you try it first and we'll see how it works out, mmkay?"
I agree that it is creative and ballsy and everything, but has it even been tested? Wouldn't it be even more ballsy to test it on ourseves before peddling it as an educational tool to the poorer part of the world? I know I'm being rather critical here, and will probably be flamed for it. Flame away, let's debate it.:)
I should also say that I am quite FOR the OLPC project as a whole; I wish we could do this for the entire planet. I'm sure doing so would increase the incentive of making it truly good -- as well as wreak havoc on traditional networking, security, and that whole business, which indubitably would benefit the consumer in the long run.
To clarify, I don't have kids (they're guests for xmas eve); but anyway I, my parents, and their parents have survived (so far). It's not like we're not aware, we do put the candles in sane places *and* keep water around just in case. Plus, the candles and holders you can get in Europe (don't know about US) are self-extinguishing, so no danger in letting them burn down. And we always watch the tree until everything is out.
Lastly, I wanted to thank you very much for your concern! (This being/. that may have sounded ironic; it's not.)
I get the feeling you're trolling, but I'm not offended.
I think we can all agree that candlelight *is* different than Edison light (even on Slashdot...).
And I certainly make NO argument that fire+kindling is not = bigger fire, I am quite aware of that fact. But then again, the candles do have appropriate candle holders, it's not like we just put them on the pile of presents. No sir, *that* would be a task for tree-shaking youngsters (should they get a chance to). Which is why I'd say that unsupervised kids+fire+kindling is almost centainly = bigger fire, but fire+kindling = pretty.
How many of you are still using *candles* for tree decoration?
In my (european) opinion, it's the only Right way to have lights on the tree. With kids in the house, the tree tends to be wired too, but the candles are used when the kids are in check (ie. during dinner, etc).
Normally, I take the stance that kids are perfectly capable of distinguishing games from reality. That is, distinguishing between on one side killing a kraut in a Fokker Dreidekker or an alien on Halo, and on the other side beating up the neighbour's kid at school.
But just now I started to wonder if that will always be the case. I know the old pacman joke[1], but that was back in the glorious days of 4- or 16-color sprites. Now; with ever more realistic video and audio, and with the insidious blurring and merging of RL and cyberspaces (MySpace, WoW, SL, et al), the contrast may not be all that clear anymore.
This hasn't really struck me before, and I'd like to think I'm just being overly paranoid... but there may be something to this. Maybe not today, but where will we be in 5, 10, 20 years? "Your honour, I do admit to walloping that fella, but honestly, I thought I was jacked in. Y'see, I forgot that I had just jacked out to go the the loo..."
[1] Computer games don't affect kids. If Pacman would have affected us as children, we would now run around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetetive music. (Heh.)
I had Pinball Construction Set for the Mac (128K/fat), but I don't recall the maker. Could that have been EA, or is this just a clash of names?
Man how I loved those 'hardwarey' cling-clong sounds, so much better that modern blippety-bloop ones.:p
Oops, showing my age. Sorry.
She'd never make it to such a list...
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...she's not germane! Tish-boom, thanks, I'm here all week.
You're right, though. She was brilliant.
Oh, and there's a 'Reply' button right on top of the very first comment, underneath the 'I am willing to help test Slashdot's New Discussion System.' banner.:)
Closing my eye for the moment to the word 'modern' in your post, I'll respond that my 1.4GHz AMD Athlon sits *idle* at 72*C. That series has been known --and designed-- to routinely rise to around 110*C.
Not that I think that's great in any way... it was cooking the rest of my hw.
I agree somewhat, it might have been nice to have had the Mac brought to the masses instead of the grey pc box. Then perhaps users today would be smarter IT-wise!:-D
But I suspect that if Apple had had a 'clone war', there would be no Apple today: It's no secret that Apple is first and foremost a hardware vendor, and an OS vendor second (if that's their *second* priority, way to go MS;-) ).
Let's say Compaq would have clean-room-copied an Apple ROM, and successfully marketed a clone. (I'm not even sure you could get the OS in a separate box in an Apple Centre back in the early days, but that's not my point.) My point is that if Apple had [been forced to] live off of OS sales instead of hardware sales, they would probably not have made enough money to survive -- and they would probably have had to resort to what I'll call unsportsmanlike behaviour such as protecting their drivers. Shock! Gasp! We'd have had DRM in the 80ies.:-(
So the bottom line is, it can hurt the consumer. What if Apple had been couped, what if the entire Mac product line had gone the way of the Newton?
Sure, individual accounts mean users would only psss their own pants, not everyone's. But once they do, the 'grown-ups' still need to interfere to normalize things. And users *will* forget or share/steal/commandeer passwords...
Doesn't it become messy with hundreds of user accounts on each machine?
The way it works at our youth centre (we have 6 Windoze gaming machines) is that there is (one admin account and) one passwordless user account for all visitors. This means everyone's savegames are public -- but it wouldn't really make sense to do it any other way since visitor's can't book a specific machine anyway (and having roaming profiles would be WAY more than I bother managing for a simple play room).
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You'll get no argument from me regarding the weight of CRT's, and they're horribly balanced for carrying, too. But like the sofa and the fridge, they spend so little of their life actually moving about, it's not something I factor in when researching a new purchase.
I also go along with you in praising the geometry of flat-panel matrix displays, but note that CRT geometry *can be*, not *is*, a problem.
More to the point, in Denmark (where I live) and Germany there are if not plenty, then at least a number of retailers carrying high-end brands -- and of course the Internet provides *all* the high-end brands. It's all in the reasearch and delivery time one is willing to accept.
Personally, in my living room there's still just a 20-something" 50Hz telly with one measly speaker (albeit for proper sound I have a hifi-connected HDR). I keep pushing back the decision to buy a new set because of, well, progress.
Why not go for a CRT?
... but make sure you do what's right for you, not just what's modern.
There are still solid players on the CRT market, and apart from the form factor, there is nothing they can't do as well as the modern LCD/Plasma screens.
Gone are the days of insane power needs, gone are the days of 50Hz tellies.
Yet to come are the days of SED TV and even lower power needs, and there will always be that next thing coming up real soon now (tm).
If you have a modest amount of money, you get far more quality in the form of a high-end CRT than a mid-end LCD. (If you have oodles of money, nothing of this post applies to you...)
I'm not saying boo to NEW tech; I'm just saying that it is still VERY new tech, and the curve of improvement over time is still quite steep. Spend your money how you like
I can't believe nobody's mentioned "Pirates of Silicon Valley" (1999) yet ... it's most certainly about computers/computing, and most certainly portrays them accurately. It's not (all) fiction, but then again the original Q doesn't state it has to be.
http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/
That movie, along with the folklore.org site, gives the younger audience as much of a history lesson as can probably be conveyed, about the early history of the current mainstream OSes.
Plus I've seen USB cables that could link two computers, as with a laplink or a crossover ethernet cable.
But still, progress is nice I s'pose...
Wow, except for the 'bounce non-text files' part, what you describe is absolutely spot on. Couldn't have said it better meself.
Unfortunately, I also agree that IMAP may be simply too archaic to support this kind of usage. Perhaps a new protocol is needed, but what really stands out from between the lines is a glorified webmail system. When viewed critically, the only thing that actually needs to be at the local client is, um, the display and keyboard. No reason to not keep everything (data, analysis/processing, and traffic) on the server; naturally excepting attachment downloads.
Man, we're going back to the client/server days in the future, I just know it. ^_^
It's pretty simple to make it obvious what's changed and what's original.
I use Lotus Notes at work. For all its problems, this is a much-appreciated feature (intended or otherwise), which I use frequently. In that app, it logs the name of the last signer (saved-by), but even so I write "Mynick: Mynotes" in italics.
"If a man says something in the forest, and his wife doesn't hear it, is he still wrong?"
I agree completely, that's what I figured.
I bet the GP was referring to the recent article entitled "Microsoft Wins Industry Standard Status for Office" (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/08/19 40255).
But apart from that, I have no idea who EMCA is/are (I doubt it's a new electronic version of that Beastie Boys member), and why on earth they're not coordinating with the much more de facto, as it were, ISO body. Meh.
> Well, I might flame you for ignorance ... but not for intention. :) Apparently I missed the news the other day.
:) Kudos to the team! I just might try it after the xmas rush settles; my home pc is used to OS swapping (*BSD,*buntu,*DOS,...).
... he thought the OLPC guidelines were interesting reading!
Thank you for being so reasonable.
> I really feel that they got inside the head...
Wow, great to hear.
Just last night I discussed with my dad (old time IT dude) how the MSO specs was 6000 pages, the OOo 700, and the Mac GUI specs a mere 60
This is a refreshing new take on computing, and quite possibly a necessary and due one, too ... but I can't help wondering if this is a case of "hey mac, this new gadget of yours looks GREAT ....but you try it first and we'll see how it works out, mmkay?"
:)
I agree that it is creative and ballsy and everything, but has it even been tested? Wouldn't it be even more ballsy to test it on ourseves before peddling it as an educational tool to the poorer part of the world? I know I'm being rather critical here, and will probably be flamed for it. Flame away, let's debate it.
I should also say that I am quite FOR the OLPC project as a whole; I wish we could do this for the entire planet. I'm sure doing so would increase the incentive of making it truly good -- as well as wreak havoc on traditional networking, security, and that whole business, which indubitably would benefit the consumer in the long run.
To clarify, I don't have kids (they're guests for xmas eve); but anyway I, my parents, and their parents have survived (so far). It's not like we're not aware, we do put the candles in sane places *and* keep water around just in case. Plus, the candles and holders you can get in Europe (don't know about US) are self-extinguishing, so no danger in letting them burn down. And we always watch the tree until everything is out.
/. that may have sounded ironic; it's not.)
Lastly, I wanted to thank you very much for your concern! (This being
I get the feeling you're trolling, but I'm not offended.
I think we can all agree that candlelight *is* different than Edison light (even on Slashdot...).
And I certainly make NO argument that fire+kindling is not = bigger fire, I am quite aware of that fact. But then again, the candles do have appropriate candle holders, it's not like we just put them on the pile of presents. No sir, *that* would be a task for tree-shaking youngsters (should they get a chance to). Which is why I'd say that unsupervised kids+fire+kindling is almost centainly = bigger fire, but fire+kindling = pretty.
How many of you are still using *candles* for tree decoration?
In my (european) opinion, it's the only Right way to have lights on the tree. With kids in the house, the tree tends to be wired too, but the candles are used when the kids are in check (ie. during dinner, etc).
Normally, I take the stance that kids are perfectly capable of distinguishing games from reality. That is, distinguishing between on one side killing a kraut in a Fokker Dreidekker or an alien on Halo, and on the other side beating up the neighbour's kid at school.
... but there may be something to this. Maybe not today, but where will we be in 5, 10, 20 years? "Your honour, I do admit to walloping that fella, but honestly, I thought I was jacked in. Y'see, I forgot that I had just jacked out to go the the loo..."
But just now I started to wonder if that will always be the case. I know the old pacman joke[1], but that was back in the glorious days of 4- or 16-color sprites. Now; with ever more realistic video and audio, and with the insidious blurring and merging of RL and cyberspaces (MySpace, WoW, SL, et al), the contrast may not be all that clear anymore.
This hasn't really struck me before, and I'd like to think I'm just being overly paranoid
[1] Computer games don't affect kids. If Pacman would have affected us as children, we would now run around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetetive music. (Heh.)
I had Pinball Construction Set for the Mac (128K/fat), but I don't recall the maker. Could that have been EA, or is this just a clash of names?
:p
Man how I loved those 'hardwarey' cling-clong sounds, so much better that modern blippety-bloop ones.
Oops, showing my age. Sorry.
...she's not germane!
:)
Tish-boom, thanks, I'm here all week.
You're right, though. She was brilliant.
Oh, and there's a 'Reply' button right on top of the very first comment, underneath the 'I am willing to help test Slashdot's New Discussion System.' banner.
I don't get all this talk of captchas on slashdot ... I have never seen one [on slashdot], and I'm not pulling any tricks.
Is it perhaps a randomized feature?
Closing my eye for the moment to the word 'modern' in your post, I'll respond that my 1.4GHz AMD Athlon sits *idle* at 72*C. That series has been known --and designed-- to routinely rise to around 110*C.
... it was cooking the rest of my hw.
Not that I think that's great in any way
Err, that was the 3rd actually ^_^ ... but now this is the 4th (or is it?) ... I give up!
At the time of writing, this was the 4th acknowledgment of it being a good idea. Can we get a 5th (and 6th, and...)?
:D
O yeah, and also some brains/hands/funds to implement it!
I agree somewhat, it might have been nice to have had the Mac brought to the masses instead of the grey pc box. Then perhaps users today would be smarter IT-wise! :-D
;-) ).
:-(
But I suspect that if Apple had had a 'clone war', there would be no Apple today: It's no secret that Apple is first and foremost a hardware vendor, and an OS vendor second (if that's their *second* priority, way to go MS
Let's say Compaq would have clean-room-copied an Apple ROM, and successfully marketed a clone. (I'm not even sure you could get the OS in a separate box in an Apple Centre back in the early days, but that's not my point.) My point is that if Apple had [been forced to] live off of OS sales instead of hardware sales, they would probably not have made enough money to survive -- and they would probably have had to resort to what I'll call unsportsmanlike behaviour such as protecting their drivers. Shock! Gasp! We'd have had DRM in the 80ies.
So the bottom line is, it can hurt the consumer. What if Apple had been couped, what if the entire Mac product line had gone the way of the Newton?
Would you rather it did? I'm finding it a nice statement in its own right.
This is not the first "Do not steal Mac OS" they've done, although the first version never really got tested in action.
n tosh&story=Stolen_From_Apple.txt&sortOrder=Sort%20 by%20Date&detail=medium&search=stolen
:D
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Maci
History repeating!
Thanks for the riposte, Krewe.
Sure, individual accounts mean users would only psss their own pants, not everyone's. But once they do, the 'grown-ups' still need to interfere to normalize things. And users *will* forget or share/steal/commandeer passwords...
Doesn't it become messy with hundreds of user accounts on each machine?
The way it works at our youth centre (we have 6 Windoze gaming machines) is that there is (one admin account and) one passwordless user account for all visitors. This means everyone's savegames are public -- but it wouldn't really make sense to do it any other way since visitor's can't book a specific machine anyway (and having roaming profiles would be WAY more than I bother managing for a simple play room).