I feel like you must really have your head buried deep in that sand to believe this. You don't even have to dig very deep to see the government actively fighting us. How bad does it have to get before we call it a dystopian government? That is not a rhetorical question. Where do you personally draw the line?
The solution will actually need to be a multi-pronged approach and yours is certainly one method we'll need to use. However, the first step is for people to realize this isn't a Democrat vs Republican issue. Once we realize this, we can stop placing blame, work together and take the appropriate measures to put our government back in check.
This is an issue of a State that is actively deceiving us, actively fighting us, and actively stonewalling us at every turn. The quicker we stop blaming past and current political parties the sooner we can take whatever actions necessary to fix our country.
this one, while not related specifically to homan square is still appropriate to the topic at hand: The UN just recently condemned the Chicago police department for torture.
No, the topic at hand was "how to fire" people who are whiny under-producers
from TFS: "...you want to foster an open, welcoming, and empowered community." it is completely appropriate to say "the topic at hand is how to deal with group dynamics while keeping the inclusive nature of the open source community."
I maintain that we have an entire generation of people who can't grasp that there are such things as bad ideas, wrong strategies, lazy work ethics, and unwarranted senses of entitlement to place and influence.
every older generation says this about the newest 20 something generation. "when i was a kid i walked 20 miles over broken glass up hill barefoot! because we were men!" "these damn kids!" "lazy fuckin kids"
its ok, the kids are alright. the country isn't going to spin off its axis because things are changing. things change over time. we learn new things. we apply our new knowledge to tweak and fix things that need it. it happens every generation and will continue to happen. dont let the creepy man in the moving picture box scare you. things change. accept it or become that bitter old man who is always mumbling about the damn kids.
now, back to the topic at hand. these group dynamics from the article are not new. groups throughout history have had to deal with ego maniacs, narcissists, whiny, and entitled people. even the open source aspects don't make these problems unique. volunteer organizations, churches, charities, neighborhood groups, etc.. have had to deal with these problems forever. they are not some left wing inspired issue. they are human psychology issues.
the topic at hand is how to deal with group dynamics while keeping the inclusive nature of the open source community. you proceeded to take the opportunity to reduce it to a left vs right issue.
you act as if group dynamics didn't exist before the "aging and nouveau hippies" even existed.
or if you prefer, you behave as if "over-inflated cases of self esteem" didn't exist before "aging and nouveau hippies"
i think its safe to say, you are one of those people who would rather somehow blame this on a political ideology rather than actually contribute anything useful to the conversation.
maybe you'd be better off if you didn't attempt to think about complex systems. your "over-inflated self esteem" has obviously made you think you were smart enough to discuss complex topics. you should get back to debating which short stop would make your favorite football team score more baskets.
Ultimately this fight, if we want this behavior to change, is the peoples fight. We need a resurgence of the "We write code." mentality of the 90s cypherpunks. The ISPs aren't going to stand up and fight, the UK govt looks to be as bought and sold as the US govt, and the muggles of the world don't really care as long as they get their sports and other mind numbing escapes in prime time television.
I wish I could mod you up. I was curious about the same thing. So many people saying they've moved on from Debian but never ever saying which distro they moved to.
I seriously question any one who would complain about this. They really must not understand how Debian releases work.
Debian Jessie is frozen, which means there is a stringent process to go through in order to add changes, we have known it was going to be frozen for months and months. Their testing releases always go through a freeze period before it moves into stable. Stable means that typically the only changes are security fixes. Expecting Debian, a distro which really doesn't like non open source software anyway, to unfreeze for something like Chrome is just an odd request. If you need bleeding edge, you should move to a bleeding edge distro, I can recommend Arch as being fantastic for bleeding edge, there are plenty of others as well. Stable/LTS releases are not ever bleeding edge. In fact, stable/LTS releases are usually significantly behind.
Or even better, they can go back to Windows. Wouldn't even notice if they left.
This debate needs to happen. Even if its just to make the media companies realize how ridiculous their pricing is. I think anyone who doesn't question the movie and music industries pricing regarding digital delivery is an idiot. If pirates sites and many independent legal content sites can stream movies to people for basically free, why can't the movie industry? Yes, I realize there are costs to recoup but surely the cost of digital delivery is no where near the cost of a physical disc.
Clearly the markets are not ready to accept their pricing of 17.99 for a digital copy of a movie they can't even have the file for.
There are only a few ways this is going to go imho.
1) The content industries will continue to gouge and pretend there is a sparsity of their product and the vast majority of the internet will continue to make copies for free. 2) The content industries will be successful in killing net neutrality and gain control of the method of distribution in the same way they did television and radio.
3) They will be successful in making laws such as tfa is discussing. Piracy will still be rampant. People will needlessly be in prison.
4) The industries will realize they can't use the same business models they used pre-internet and price as if there was competition and their product is not scarce anymore.
They also need to get off of this "No one will make movies or music anymore if they wont be paid" delusion. You don't even have to stretch your brain to see how much of a fallacy that is. Garage Bands. Basement DJs. Youtube level Movie makers. Hobbyists all over. Starving artists. etc..
Did the debate about whether or not this is really theft get answered?
Is a kid watching a movie on some streaming site stealing? Is it the same as looking around and slipping a Blu-Ray in your pocket at the local store? I think we should finish that debate before we change the question to how much prison time is appropriate.
The issue is not the technologies being used.
The real issue is the governments that are refusing to tell us how they are using the technologies. We can not make informed decisions on what is being done in the name of the citizenry because we have no idea what they are doing.
If you want to break something, break the system of secrecy the goverments are building around you. How do we do that? I have no idea.
The common citizen doesn't have the resources -- time or money -- to accomplish real political change right now.
I would love to see the citizens have a positive debate on ways to fix things. But, as of right now, the people who seem to care the most about our current political problems are mired in some kind of bizarre left vs right blame game. As if both sides weren't actively trying to screw us. Every debate descends into who's at fault and the inevitable leap frog back through time picking examples why it was the 'other' side who started it all.
Wow. Is he a masochist? As others have stated above, for all of our terrible terrible problems, the US is a nice place to live. However, I don't think we've come far enough yet for him to return and receive a fair trial. His personal world here will never be the American Dream again. Too many muggles here are still drinking the 'Snowden is a Traitor' kool-aid.
His life in partial hiding is going to be better than the life in prison that our 'justice' system is sure to give him. In fact, I think he can make more of a difference as a figure head, speaking about the justice and liberties the US used to be known for. Show how a single individual can help improve upon the fucked up situation we're currently facing in the US.
I'm grateful for everything he has done, it took a real commitment and belief in justice to sacrifice his life in the US. I just really hope he doesn't end up spending his life in prison. A terrible fate for someone who is willing to give up so much to do what is right.
As I'm sure you're well aware, we have/had many open lists where vulnerabilities are/were shared openly, so I don't really need to personally create one. This is not about anyone feeling entitled. This is about the fact that these systems are more important than just their servers. A lot of the software and hardware used to power their systems are also powering banks, many governmental systems, hospital networks, and on and on and on. To take the approach that we'll patch a few and leave the rest open is terribly bad for everyone. If you can't see that, you're not looking wide angled enough. But thanks for snotty reply.:)
I find this path troubling. I could see this becoming a thing where only mega corporations benefit from this sharing, while leaving small companies, small projects, and the lowly common folk. These kinds of things should be discussed in the open. If someone knows of an exploit, it is irresponsible to not share this info so we can all band together and fix our fucking systems. It shouldn't only be the elite few in the circles of trust who get to fix their systems first.
Remember when we could look at these stories and say things like "Aww, those poor Chinese. Their government is awful, shady, intrusive, abusive, etc.." Now the U.S. government makes the Chinese government look good by comparison.
-t
Yes. Do not allow our liberties to go away out of fear of what the worst case scenario could be. Statistics show the odds of dying from terrorism are extremely low. And there are plenty of other tools in their anti terror arsenal. They need to stop treating their own citizens as enemies and actually do targeted investigations.
First things first, though: when they talk about new rules and regulations, it is not because they imagine that everybody will suddenly be law-abiding, it is because it is not possible to prosecute people for breaking non-existent laws.
I'm pretty sure it is already illegal to 'pirate' movies in most western countries. One of the many problems I think a lot of people are struggling with here is, his proposed solution has too many negative side effects. It has too broad of a negative impact on law abiding individuals and very little real world positive outcomes. For example, most technically minded people can see that a criminal would just setup a website on a server in a country that has more to worry about than whether or not someone paid to watch the new Transformers movie. So, what is the next new law we'll need to pass after a website license?
We can pass these nickle and dime laws for the next hundred years and 'criminals' are still going to find a way around them. Often, the end result from passing laws to inconvenience a criminal doesn't do much other than inconvenience law abiding people, waste time, and waste money.
It does however make for a good headline and make it at least appear like they're attempting to make a real difference, even though it has no long term measurable positive effect.
Glenn Greewald's partner David Miranda was detained for "terrorism" just for carrying leaked Snowden documents. It is clearly not a wild leap to think they would charge someone as high profile as Assange with "terrorism."
I could not agree more. After watching the teen orgy from Without A Trace, I had to wonder what was so offensive about it. I mean, its a night time drama, aimed at adults. It's not like they had little dancing, beeping, cartoon characters advertising this show. If there were children watching it, they were most likely watching it because the parents were watching.
I'm sure they were so offended by that clip because they were actually aroused by the idea, and this caused a bit of double think, which turned it into sexual repression. Maybe they were jealous they didnt think of it when they were kids?
Heres the clip of the 'teen orgy' that won CBS this fine.
If they decide to block direct linking to the video, go to "parents tv". The link to the video will be in the middle of the page inside the little box saying something like WARNING TAKE CAUTION
This way, you can not only view the clip, but see how over-the-top upset they were about it. we also have the added benefit of sucking their bandwidth dry.
Any organization willing to focus so much time trying to decide what I, as an adult, get to watch on TV in the name of protecting THEIR children, makes me a bit nervous.
i currently use movable type, and while i like it, and think its fairly easy to use.. i have to agree with earlier posters here, its kind of silly to use any kind of cms that is not open source.
ive been looking around for a while now and it seems that wordpress is the most complete package with a good community behind it. the community behind it is important because if you ever run into any kinds of problems, the more people supporting it the better. i guess it is just as important as it is to have a good community behind any kind of open source software.
if i am incorrect and there are bigger communities behind any of the other complete gpl'd packages, please let me know, maybe i missed something.
1: get the fold up stowawy bluetooth keyboard from Think Outside its slick how small this thing folds up.
2: i assume the components you use will have modern remote controls, you could program the ati remote wonder keys into the components remote for mouse movement selecting etc...
this will cut down on extra remotes laying around, and the keyboard folds up nicely for when its not in use.
the site doesnt list bluetooth as a feature but i have read many places the wireless keyboard has it, and it is perfectly useable on a pc.
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I feel like you must really have your head buried deep in that sand to believe this. You don't even have to dig very deep to see the government actively fighting us. How bad does it have to get before we call it a dystopian government? That is not a rhetorical question. Where do you personally draw the line?
The solution will actually need to be a multi-pronged approach and yours is certainly one method we'll need to use. However, the first step is for people to realize this isn't a Democrat vs Republican issue. Once we realize this, we can stop placing blame, work together and take the appropriate measures to put our government back in check.
This is an issue of a State that is actively deceiving us, actively fighting us, and actively stonewalling us at every turn. The quicker we stop blaming past and current political parties the sooner we can take whatever actions necessary to fix our country.
this one, while not related specifically to homan square is still appropriate to the topic at hand: The UN just recently condemned the Chicago police department for torture.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/ne...
the quicker we realize and admit the dismal state we are currently in, the sooner we can take appropriate actions to fix it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/nat...
http://www.theguardian.com/us-...
http://www.theblaze.com/storie...
No, the topic at hand was "how to fire" people who are whiny under-producers
from TFS: "...you want to foster an open, welcoming, and empowered community." it is completely appropriate to say "the topic at hand is how to deal with group dynamics while keeping the inclusive nature of the open source community."
I maintain that we have an entire generation of people who can't grasp that there are such things as bad ideas, wrong strategies, lazy work ethics, and unwarranted senses of entitlement to place and influence.
every older generation says this about the newest 20 something generation. "when i was a kid i walked 20 miles over broken glass up hill barefoot! because we were men!" "these damn kids!" "lazy fuckin kids"
its ok, the kids are alright. the country isn't going to spin off its axis because things are changing. things change over time. we learn new things. we apply our new knowledge to tweak and fix things that need it. it happens every generation and will continue to happen. dont let the creepy man in the moving picture box scare you. things change. accept it or become that bitter old man who is always mumbling about the damn kids.
now, back to the topic at hand. these group dynamics from the article are not new. groups throughout history have had to deal with ego maniacs, narcissists, whiny, and entitled people. even the open source aspects don't make these problems unique. volunteer organizations, churches, charities, neighborhood groups, etc.. have had to deal with these problems forever. they are not some left wing inspired issue. they are human psychology issues.
the topic at hand is how to deal with group dynamics while keeping the inclusive nature of the open source community. you proceeded to take the opportunity to reduce it to a left vs right issue.
you act as if group dynamics didn't exist before the "aging and nouveau hippies" even existed.
or if you prefer, you behave as if "over-inflated cases of self esteem" didn't exist before "aging and nouveau hippies"
i think its safe to say, you are one of those people who would rather somehow blame this on a political ideology rather than actually contribute anything useful to the conversation.
maybe you'd be better off if you didn't attempt to think about complex systems. your "over-inflated self esteem" has obviously made you think you were smart enough to discuss complex topics. you should get back to debating which short stop would make your favorite football team score more baskets.
Ultimately this fight, if we want this behavior to change, is the peoples fight. We need a resurgence of the "We write code." mentality of the 90s cypherpunks. The ISPs aren't going to stand up and fight, the UK govt looks to be as bought and sold as the US govt, and the muggles of the world don't really care as long as they get their sports and other mind numbing escapes in prime time television.
This is why we need some kind of distributed site location system that will lol at attempts made by evil regimes to censor information.
This is why we need some kind of distributed naming system that will lol at attempts made by evil regimes to censor information.
Moved on to....
I wish I could mod you up. I was curious about the same thing. So many people saying they've moved on from Debian but never ever saying which distro they moved to.
I seriously question any one who would complain about this. They really must not understand how Debian releases work. Debian Jessie is frozen, which means there is a stringent process to go through in order to add changes, we have known it was going to be frozen for months and months. Their testing releases always go through a freeze period before it moves into stable. Stable means that typically the only changes are security fixes. Expecting Debian, a distro which really doesn't like non open source software anyway, to unfreeze for something like Chrome is just an odd request. If you need bleeding edge, you should move to a bleeding edge distro, I can recommend Arch as being fantastic for bleeding edge, there are plenty of others as well. Stable/LTS releases are not ever bleeding edge. In fact, stable/LTS releases are usually significantly behind. Or even better, they can go back to Windows. Wouldn't even notice if they left.
This debate needs to happen. Even if its just to make the media companies realize how ridiculous their pricing is. I think anyone who doesn't question the movie and music industries pricing regarding digital delivery is an idiot. If pirates sites and many independent legal content sites can stream movies to people for basically free, why can't the movie industry? Yes, I realize there are costs to recoup but surely the cost of digital delivery is no where near the cost of a physical disc.
Clearly the markets are not ready to accept their pricing of 17.99 for a digital copy of a movie they can't even have the file for.
There are only a few ways this is going to go imho.
1) The content industries will continue to gouge and pretend there is a sparsity of their product and the vast majority of the internet will continue to make copies for free.
2) The content industries will be successful in killing net neutrality and gain control of the method of distribution in the same way they did television and radio.
3) They will be successful in making laws such as tfa is discussing. Piracy will still be rampant. People will needlessly be in prison.
4) The industries will realize they can't use the same business models they used pre-internet and price as if there was competition and their product is not scarce anymore.
They also need to get off of this "No one will make movies or music anymore if they wont be paid" delusion. You don't even have to stretch your brain to see how much of a fallacy that is. Garage Bands. Basement DJs. Youtube level Movie makers. Hobbyists all over. Starving artists. etc..
Did the debate about whether or not this is really theft get answered?
Is a kid watching a movie on some streaming site stealing? Is it the same as looking around and slipping a Blu-Ray in your pocket at the local store? I think we should finish that debate before we change the question to how much prison time is appropriate.
The issue is not the technologies being used. The real issue is the governments that are refusing to tell us how they are using the technologies. We can not make informed decisions on what is being done in the name of the citizenry because we have no idea what they are doing.
If you want to break something, break the system of secrecy the goverments are building around you. How do we do that? I have no idea.
The common citizen doesn't have the resources -- time or money -- to accomplish real political change right now.
I would love to see the citizens have a positive debate on ways to fix things. But, as of right now, the people who seem to care the most about our current political problems are mired in some kind of bizarre left vs right blame game. As if both sides weren't actively trying to screw us. Every debate descends into who's at fault and the inevitable leap frog back through time picking examples why it was the 'other' side who started it all.
Wow. Is he a masochist? As others have stated above, for all of our terrible terrible problems, the US is a nice place to live. However, I don't think we've come far enough yet for him to return and receive a fair trial. His personal world here will never be the American Dream again. Too many muggles here are still drinking the 'Snowden is a Traitor' kool-aid.
His life in partial hiding is going to be better than the life in prison that our 'justice' system is sure to give him. In fact, I think he can make more of a difference as a figure head, speaking about the justice and liberties the US used to be known for. Show how a single individual can help improve upon the fucked up situation we're currently facing in the US.
I'm grateful for everything he has done, it took a real commitment and belief in justice to sacrifice his life in the US. I just really hope he doesn't end up spending his life in prison. A terrible fate for someone who is willing to give up so much to do what is right.
As I'm sure you're well aware, we have/had many open lists where vulnerabilities are/were shared openly, so I don't really need to personally create one. This is not about anyone feeling entitled. This is about the fact that these systems are more important than just their servers. A lot of the software and hardware used to power their systems are also powering banks, many governmental systems, hospital networks, and on and on and on. To take the approach that we'll patch a few and leave the rest open is terribly bad for everyone. If you can't see that, you're not looking wide angled enough. But thanks for snotty reply. :)
I find this path troubling. I could see this becoming a thing where only mega corporations benefit from this sharing, while leaving small companies, small projects, and the lowly common folk. These kinds of things should be discussed in the open. If someone knows of an exploit, it is irresponsible to not share this info so we can all band together and fix our fucking systems. It shouldn't only be the elite few in the circles of trust who get to fix their systems first.
Remember when we could look at these stories and say things like "Aww, those poor Chinese. Their government is awful, shady, intrusive, abusive, etc.." Now the U.S. government makes the Chinese government look good by comparison. -t
Yes. Do not allow our liberties to go away out of fear of what the worst case scenario could be. Statistics show the odds of dying from terrorism are extremely low. And there are plenty of other tools in their anti terror arsenal. They need to stop treating their own citizens as enemies and actually do targeted investigations.
First things first, though: when they talk about new rules and regulations, it is not because they imagine that everybody will suddenly be law-abiding, it is because it is not possible to prosecute people for breaking non-existent laws.
I'm pretty sure it is already illegal to 'pirate' movies in most western countries. One of the many problems I think a lot of people are struggling with here is, his proposed solution has too many negative side effects. It has too broad of a negative impact on law abiding individuals and very little real world positive outcomes. For example, most technically minded people can see that a criminal would just setup a website on a server in a country that has more to worry about than whether or not someone paid to watch the new Transformers movie. So, what is the next new law we'll need to pass after a website license?
We can pass these nickle and dime laws for the next hundred years and 'criminals' are still going to find a way around them. Often, the end result from passing laws to inconvenience a criminal doesn't do much other than inconvenience law abiding people, waste time, and waste money.
It does however make for a good headline and make it at least appear like they're attempting to make a real difference, even though it has no long term measurable positive effect.
Glenn Greewald's partner David Miranda was detained for "terrorism" just for carrying leaked Snowden documents. It is clearly not a wild leap to think they would charge someone as high profile as Assange with "terrorism."
Do some googling for "can't download apps for iPhone" or similar wording, and you'll see that this is a widespread chronic issue...
Do some googling for "can't download software to computer" or similar wording, and you'll see that this is a widespread chronic issue...
Do some googling for "can't stop vcr clock from blinking 12:00" or similar wording and you'll see that this is a widespread chronic issue...
Do some googling for "toast stuck in toaster" or similar wording and you'll see that this is a widespread chronic issue...
This post has got to be flamebait right?
I could not agree more. After watching the teen orgy from Without A Trace, I had to wonder what was so offensive about it. I mean, its a night time drama, aimed at adults. It's not like they had little dancing, beeping, cartoon characters advertising this show. If there were children watching it, they were most likely watching it because the parents were watching.
I'm sure they were so offended by that clip because they were actually aroused by the idea, and this caused a bit of double think, which turned it into sexual repression. Maybe they were jealous they didnt think of it when they were kids?
Heres the clip of the 'teen orgy' that won CBS this fine.
If they decide to block direct linking to the video, go to "parents tv". The link to the video will be in the middle of the page inside the little box saying something like WARNING TAKE CAUTION
This way, you can not only view the clip, but see how over-the-top upset they were about it. we also have the added benefit of sucking their bandwidth dry.
Any organization willing to focus so much time trying to decide what I, as an adult, get to watch on TV in the name of protecting THEIR children, makes me a bit nervous.
well la ti da
i currently use movable type, and while i like it, and think its fairly easy to use.. i have to agree with earlier posters here, its kind of silly to use any kind of cms that is not open source.
ive been looking around for a while now and it seems that wordpress is the most complete package with a good community behind it. the community behind it is important because if you ever run into any kinds of problems, the more people supporting it the better. i guess it is just as important as it is to have a good community behind any kind of open source software.
if i am incorrect and there are bigger communities behind any of the other complete gpl'd packages, please let me know, maybe i missed something.
heres what i would do..
1: get the fold up stowawy bluetooth keyboard from Think Outside its slick how small this thing folds up.
2: i assume the components you use will have modern remote controls, you could program the ati remote wonder keys into the components remote for mouse movement selecting etc...
this will cut down on extra remotes laying around, and the keyboard folds up nicely for when its not in use.
the site doesnt list bluetooth as a feature but i have read many places the wireless keyboard has it, and it is perfectly useable on a pc.