Just think of it this way. If you're going to play it for say (30 hours) as your example suggested. That means you're paying $0.50 an hour. That doesnt seem like alot from an entertainment point of view (ever paid $10 for a 90 minute bad movie?). Play for 15 hours, 10 even? Thats still not so unreasonable.
That aside, you do get a month free with purchase, and its up to you to justify it.
Whats evreyone got against the original XBOX controller? I like it, my hands are what Id call normal sized, and evreything is comfortable and accessable.
I use my webhost for email, but I forward evreything i get there too gmail. It makes for a a good email management solution. Ive got multiple accoutns set up at my webhost level so I can tell how people are getting my address, and they just get different labels automatically applied too them.
It makes it alot easier to find the password to some long lost web site I signed up for when all i have to do is google for the name of the site.
Prove it. Since I've started downloading copywritten content, Ive bought more movies, games and music tha n ever before in my life.
This sounds like geek utopia. And I would rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. So, if I want to watch a movie at home, I rent or buy it. I do not download games unless they are free/shareware. If I wanted Doom 3, I would shell out the $50 that they ask for it.
I do rent and buy movies, but I also download them. But I dont believe that doing so will in any way help to fix the problem and lead us into that "geek utopia" you described (which would definatly be a good thing).
I do agree that the MPAA/RIAA have used lawyers when the SHOULD have been using geeks. The recording studios are like dinosaurs: they should be able to see the changing environment and either adapt or die. They should have opened up the first on-line music distribution well before Napster came out. Their bad. But two wrongs do NOT make a right - and never will.
That all maske sense, except for one tiny thing you're overlooking. Where are the two wrongs? All I see is the movie companies being greedy (which is their perrogative, I dont blame them for wanting to make more and more money) and people looking for ways to save money and add convienence. The result is the system we have now, which isnt going to change no matter how many people they sue. If the movie companies continue to produce less and less worthwile content, I will continue to pirate more and more, conversly, if they make it more worthwhile to purchase their product, I'll spend more and more of my money on it. This is how capitalism works, It is completly give and take, risk and reward, plus and minus. I for one will continue to deal with the existing system as it is, while also working to improve it at the same time.
Ok, I completly agree with you in the being robbed by the movie makers department. You do have the choice to go or not go, and you're not being robbed either way. I diddnt indent do justify crim e in general, I was trying to make a point regarding moral reasoning more than anything else.
Basically I was saying that just becasue something is against the law doesnt mean its wrong (and conversly somthing might be legal, but still morally wrong). In the case of somthign being illigal, and not morally wrong, said illigal action is an option for the person considering it, as long as they are willing to face the consequences.
Maybe Im misreading you, if you meant pay or not pay (and hence not recieve), then you left out one option: get it without paying (eg pirate).
Just be sure that whatever option you choose you're ready for the consquences. (eg, loosing money vs. a 1/100,000,000 chance of getting sued+possible (depending upon the person) moral uncertanty).
YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE FRUIT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S LABOR
You know what? You're absolutly right. Of course we dont deserve the right to other people labor. But people dont deserve most of what they get in life. Be it good or bad, lifes not fair that way. But that doesnt mean that its wrong to take advantage of the situation and get ahead while you can. If ive got a means to gain somthing, be it knowledge, entertainment, or anythign else, if it doesnt take away from or harm someone esle, im going to go for it.
Nerds in their rooms using bit torrent will NOT bring the industry to its knees. It will just anger them, make them more strict and less likely to listen to reason.
On that point I'd like to point somthign out. Nerds sitting in their rooms have made a difference. Ever heard of iTunes, movielink, or netflicks? It would be impossible to download movies or music online legally if people hadn't pirated them first. We'd still be stuck having to go to the store and purchase or rent hard copies of evreything if hollywood and the music industry hadn't had their hands forced.
And participate in our government. people who disagree with the system should become consumer rights advocates. raise money, hire lobbyists, support candidates, make tv commercials. co-opt the current political parties. work the system
I never suggested not working the system. But working the system doesnt mean you cant also work outside of the system. Not all people can afford to put out TV commercials for propaganda, hire lobbyists, or switch careers. That doesnt mean they should be unable to play a part. Part of the process in changing society is doing what you feel is right, and then working to make it legal. Unjust laws should not be followed, they should be broken, and shown to be the mistakes that they are.
Anyways, im tired and im going to bed. I doubt that I will be able to bring you over to my way of thinking (and tahts not really the goal anywyas), or you me. If anyone continues this line of discussion further, I'll take a look and comment on it tommorow.
Three minute songs that are half samples anyways are one thing, but hours and hours of film and TV?
TV/movies/books/music/wahtever. If you can justify pirating one of them, you can justify pirating any of them. They're all morally equal in my book.
Oh, I almost forgot games, PC, xbox, etc. They're good too. ITs all just a risk/reward calculation. What are the chances of getting cought, and identified through my isp, and prosecuted, and convicted? (not very high, and even less here in Canada). As long as companies and the government keep Mickeymousing copyright, 10 years, 30 years, 50 years, copywrite infringement will remain completly moral. If we break the system by disregarding its rules, eventually a better, fairer one will take its place.
That aside, I do pay for some copywritten works. The producers just have to give me some reason to purchase instead of pirate (and a shiney box usually isnt enough).
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You know whay nothings changed in the last 10 years due to "space aged technologies"? Its because for the last 10 years NASAs been doing the same thing they were doing for the 10 years before that. The Apollo program brought advancements, the shuttle program brought advancements. But once they finished designing and building the Apollo rockets, the source of new technologies disappeared. Same goes for the shuttle program. It gets old. To keep reaping the benefits in other areas, we need to keep devoloping new technologies. Which wont happen without new goals (and actual resources put into reaching them).
Then set up a few extra cameras and get the porno industry to fund it. They make more money than anyone else, with zero gravity porn they'd be unstoppable.
A few years ago I worked at Sportsworld (an amusement/water park) wich was a 5 minute walk from the Costco in Kitchener. I'd go there all the time for lunch. They had a really cheap hotdog/drink deal that Id always get. Just walk right in the exit door to the food area, and get some good cheap food (well good compared to the McDonalds near by, and cheaper than any other fast food). Fill'd p my water bottle with ice from the soda fountin evrey time (defenitaly a requirement when your stuck running the ferris wheel for 5 hours in 35 degree heat).
I was looking at my usage logs today, Aand I was quite suprised. Not so much at the amount of firefox user, but at percentage of IE users. It was much less than I expected.
IE 58.6%
Mozilla 19%
Firefox 10.7%
Safari 4.4%
Opera 3.6%
Netscape 1.9%
Firebird (Old Firefox) 0.1%
Konqueror 0.1%
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Nah, its genocide. You just killed the entire specise of braints that think the're actually 747 jet liners. What a terrifying society we live in. *evil grin*
Well there's somthign I diddn't know. But then I guess it makes sense that they keep the plane well ventalated.
My only other beef with them then is that if these thigns go mainstreame and they start putting them in evreything. A few hundred million extra sources of exhaust fumes wouldnt exactly help in the pollution department. But then again, nobody really cares about the environment anyways.
I dont know about you but, I wouldnt like any car exhaust filling up a small confined room im going to be inhabiting for the next few hours. EVen if its just 5 laptops, by your calculations thats 1/4 of cars exhaust. Not somthign I want to be exposed to for long peroids of time.
Now all he has to do is wait for CherryPC to stop being vaporware and his son could finally get his iMac. Be it equivelant to one from 2 years ago due to the emulation.
Its not HD, but the 4gig HD is still a good thign for watching movies. I managed to encode two 2 hour movies onto my 256MB SD card to play on my Zaurus 5600. Not that great quality mind you, but decent enough considering the screen size.
With 4 gigs, you wouldnt even need to reencode those 700MB xvids and divx's rips of movies you "bought."
"Granted it makes coming home a major pain. Now you have to come home the old fashioned way. But, getting there isn't so bad... and sending supplies out to outposts doesn't take too much either. "
Depending upon the size of the pusher satellite, couldnt you just take an additional one with you. Once you arrive in orbit around mars, set up the return pusher for your trip home a few months later.
Once you do have the return pusher set up, that would mean you could basically start tossing out supply canisters to mars for free. No need to equip any preceding ships with conventional rocketry to slow it down, just give it big enough thrusters to maneuver and land.
You could modulize the entire operation. Use a "hopper" type craft to get the supply ships into orbit, then replace the hopper craft with the plasma sail module, and once you get to your destination use a landing hopper to descend. Seems you could be much more efficient if launch, transit, and decent all used specialized systems without the need to package all three together and pay for transporting the extera mass. Kinda liek how the spaceshuttle drops its booster rockets and fuel tanks after reaching orbit.
You're always going to be hit by micrometeors, trying to avoid it is pointless. All you can do is minamize the amount of time your vulnerable to being hit by meteors (eg, faster trips so you're outside the earths atmosphere for less time) and design a mechanism for absorbing impactrs, and repairing the damage that they do.
Its not really that ahrd. Ever heard of those self patching tires? Well a ships hull should be designed to do somthign similar.
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That aside, you do get a month free with purchase, and its up to you to justify it.
Whats evreyone got against the original XBOX controller? I like it, my hands are what Id call normal sized, and evreything is comfortable and accessable.
might not be aexactly what you're looking for, but I use an image zoomer extension fairly often.
I use my webhost for email, but I forward evreything i get there too gmail. It makes for a a good email management solution. Ive got multiple accoutns set up at my webhost level so I can tell how people are getting my address, and they just get different labels automatically applied too them. It makes it alot easier to find the password to some long lost web site I signed up for when all i have to do is google for the name of the site.
I'll agree with you there. Downloading a movie and watching it at home is definatly less social than going out to a movie with someone.
But the point is that people ARE being harmed.
Prove it. Since I've started downloading copywritten content, Ive bought more movies, games and music tha n ever before in my life.
This sounds like geek utopia. And I would rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. So, if I want to watch a movie at home, I rent or buy it. I do not download games unless they are free/shareware. If I wanted Doom 3, I would shell out the $50 that they ask for it.
I do rent and buy movies, but I also download them. But I dont believe that doing so will in any way help to fix the problem and lead us into that "geek utopia" you described (which would definatly be a good thing).
I do agree that the MPAA/RIAA have used lawyers when the SHOULD have been using geeks. The recording studios are like dinosaurs: they should be able to see the changing environment and either adapt or die. They should have opened up the first on-line music distribution well before Napster came out. Their bad. But two wrongs do NOT make a right - and never will.
That all maske sense, except for one tiny thing you're overlooking. Where are the two wrongs? All I see is the movie companies being greedy (which is their perrogative, I dont blame them for wanting to make more and more money) and people looking for ways to save money and add convienence. The result is the system we have now, which isnt going to change no matter how many people they sue. If the movie companies continue to produce less and less worthwile content, I will continue to pirate more and more, conversly, if they make it more worthwhile to purchase their product, I'll spend more and more of my money on it. This is how capitalism works, It is completly give and take, risk and reward, plus and minus. I for one will continue to deal with the existing system as it is, while also working to improve it at the same time.
Basically I was saying that just becasue something is against the law doesnt mean its wrong (and conversly somthing might be legal, but still morally wrong). In the case of somthign being illigal, and not morally wrong, said illigal action is an option for the person considering it, as long as they are willing to face the consequences.
Just be sure that whatever option you choose you're ready for the consquences. (eg, loosing money vs. a 1/100,000,000 chance of getting sued+possible (depending upon the person) moral uncertanty).
You know what? You're absolutly right. Of course we dont deserve the right to other people labor. But people dont deserve most of what they get in life. Be it good or bad, lifes not fair that way. But that doesnt mean that its wrong to take advantage of the situation and get ahead while you can. If ive got a means to gain somthing, be it knowledge, entertainment, or anythign else, if it doesnt take away from or harm someone esle, im going to go for it. Nerds in their rooms using bit torrent will NOT bring the industry to its knees. It will just anger them, make them more strict and less likely to listen to reason.
On that point I'd like to point somthign out. Nerds sitting in their rooms have made a difference. Ever heard of iTunes, movielink, or netflicks? It would be impossible to download movies or music online legally if people hadn't pirated them first. We'd still be stuck having to go to the store and purchase or rent hard copies of evreything if hollywood and the music industry hadn't had their hands forced.
And participate in our government. people who disagree with the system should become consumer rights advocates. raise money, hire lobbyists, support candidates, make tv commercials. co-opt the current political parties. work the system
I never suggested not working the system. But working the system doesnt mean you cant also work outside of the system. Not all people can afford to put out TV commercials for propaganda, hire lobbyists, or switch careers. That doesnt mean they should be unable to play a part. Part of the process in changing society is doing what you feel is right, and then working to make it legal. Unjust laws should not be followed, they should be broken, and shown to be the mistakes that they are.
Anyways, im tired and im going to bed. I doubt that I will be able to bring you over to my way of thinking (and tahts not really the goal anywyas), or you me. If anyone continues this line of discussion further, I'll take a look and comment on it tommorow.
TV/movies/books/music/wahtever. If you can justify pirating one of them, you can justify pirating any of them. They're all morally equal in my book.
Oh, I almost forgot games, PC, xbox, etc. They're good too. ITs all just a risk/reward calculation. What are the chances of getting cought, and identified through my isp, and prosecuted, and convicted? (not very high, and even less here in Canada). As long as companies and the government keep Mickeymousing copyright, 10 years, 30 years, 50 years, copywrite infringement will remain completly moral. If we break the system by disregarding its rules, eventually a better, fairer one will take its place.
That aside, I do pay for some copywritten works. The producers just have to give me some reason to purchase instead of pirate (and a shiney box usually isnt enough).
You know whay nothings changed in the last 10 years due to "space aged technologies"? Its because for the last 10 years NASAs been doing the same thing they were doing for the 10 years before that. The Apollo program brought advancements, the shuttle program brought advancements. But once they finished designing and building the Apollo rockets, the source of new technologies disappeared. Same goes for the shuttle program. It gets old. To keep reaping the benefits in other areas, we need to keep devoloping new technologies. Which wont happen without new goals (and actual resources put into reaching them).
Then set up a few extra cameras and get the porno industry to fund it. They make more money than anyone else, with zero gravity porn they'd be unstoppable.
I love that Costco!
A few years ago I worked at Sportsworld (an amusement/water park) wich was a 5 minute walk from the Costco in Kitchener. I'd go there all the time for lunch. They had a really cheap hotdog/drink deal that Id always get. Just walk right in the exit door to the food area, and get some good cheap food (well good compared to the McDonalds near by, and cheaper than any other fast food). Fill'd p my water bottle with ice from the soda fountin evrey time (defenitaly a requirement when your stuck running the ferris wheel for 5 hours in 35 degree heat).
What do you do when shes in bathroom, or at work, or not in the same room as you?
You've got a printer that has ink cartridges at less than $5? What is it, I want one!
IE 58.6%
Mozilla 19%
Firefox 10.7%
Safari 4.4%
Opera 3.6%
Netscape 1.9%
Firebird (Old Firefox) 0.1%
Konqueror 0.1%
My only other beef with them then is that if these thigns go mainstreame and they start putting them in evreything. A few hundred million extra sources of exhaust fumes wouldnt exactly help in the pollution department. But then again, nobody really cares about the environment anyways.
I dont know about you but, I wouldnt like any car exhaust filling up a small confined room im going to be inhabiting for the next few hours. EVen if its just 5 laptops, by your calculations thats 1/4 of cars exhaust. Not somthign I want to be exposed to for long peroids of time.
One would think so wouldnt one. But one would be wrong.
I did now.
His son must really love him.
Its not HD, but the 4gig HD is still a good thign for watching movies. I managed to encode two 2 hour movies onto my 256MB SD card to play on my Zaurus 5600. Not that great quality mind you, but decent enough considering the screen size. With 4 gigs, you wouldnt even need to reencode those 700MB xvids and divx's rips of movies you "bought."
Depending upon the size of the pusher satellite, couldnt you just take an additional one with you. Once you arrive in orbit around mars, set up the return pusher for your trip home a few months later.
Once you do have the return pusher set up, that would mean you could basically start tossing out supply canisters to mars for free. No need to equip any preceding ships with conventional rocketry to slow it down, just give it big enough thrusters to maneuver and land.
You could modulize the entire operation. Use a "hopper" type craft to get the supply ships into orbit, then replace the hopper craft with the plasma sail module, and once you get to your destination use a landing hopper to descend. Seems you could be much more efficient if launch, transit, and decent all used specialized systems without the need to package all three together and pay for transporting the extera mass. Kinda liek how the spaceshuttle drops its booster rockets and fuel tanks after reaching orbit.
You're always going to be hit by micrometeors, trying to avoid it is pointless. All you can do is minamize the amount of time your vulnerable to being hit by meteors (eg, faster trips so you're outside the earths atmosphere for less time) and design a mechanism for absorbing impactrs, and repairing the damage that they do. Its not really that ahrd. Ever heard of those self patching tires? Well a ships hull should be designed to do somthign similar.