I see what you are saying. At the present, I choose to fight them, because I love my home state and don't yet have the desire to leave. If I do wind up leaving it will probably be driven more by the excessive level of taxation than by the gun laws.
NY has had it's restrictive handgun laws since 1911. It's called the Sullivan Act. It was passed at the behest of a State Senator with ties to organized crime and was written in such a way as to give the police near total discretion on whether or not someone got a pistol license. This discretion was then used to keep immigrants and other "undesirables" from legally owning handguns.
Perhaps if the teachers unions were willing to part with some of their plush benefits that no other industry receives (what other job can you work in and have a lifetime guarantee that nothing short of felony conviction can get you fired?) the public would be willing to pay them more money.
I would have no objection to teachers making six digits or more if they operated under the same reality as the rest of us. If I do a shitty job I can be fired. If a tenured teacher does a shitty job she gets to keep on doing it until retirement.
Eh, I was making the comparison to another state that historically trampled on the constitutionally protected rights of it's residents. New York State has no more right to require me to get a license to own a handgun than it would have to require me to get a license to post this comment on/.
The Jim Crow comparison goes even deeper than that too. Remember when the Southern States imposed poll taxes to keep blacks and poor whites from voting? That's exactly what New York City does with firearms licenses. It costs more than $430 to apply for a NYC pistol license. Said license may not even be issued and even if it is will need to be renewed in two years. The objective is to make gun ownership so costly and such a PITA that nobody bothers.
Telling someone they should have to move to another state to exercise their inalienable rights is not a valid answer, IMHO.
He's constantly been reinforcing the thought that I regret even thinking that he would be different than all the others.
I think that's the source of my bitterness towards him more than anything else. It's not as though I ever thought he agreed with all of my views. I knew that he didn't agree with me when it came to guns or foreign policy. I was just dumb enough to believe that he actually meant it when he talked about a "new kind" of politics.
Live and learn I guess. At least I wised up before the general election. If only I could take back the vote for him in the primary, the sweat equity I put in on the campaign trail and all of the people that I had previously convinced to vote for him.
I don't know how he managed to have a negligent discharge. I've never had one in 15 years of handling firearms. I don't have much sympathy for him with the criminal charge and loss of pistol license either. My only point was that we treat car owners with kid gloves when they destroy property while gun owners are punished for what "could of" happened even when it didn't....
His bullet through his neighbors wall caused nothing more than drywall damage. Easily repairable with a patch kit and some spackle. Probably less than $100 worth of damage. Does that dollar amount of damage caused by a motor vehicle result in criminal charges? Worse, does personal injury caused by a motor vehicle often result in criminal charges?
It's literally the only thing he's done that made my blood boil.
Your blood didn't boil when he reversed himself on FISA and voted for telecom immunity? It didn't boil when he reneged on his "no tax increases for people making <$250,000" promise and signed legislation containing tax increases on medical devices, tanning salons and tobacco? It didn't boil when he doubled down on our failed Afghanistan policy?
Was it not Hillary Clinton who said that disagreement is a fundamental principal of a democracy?
You didn't get the latest memo, did you? Dissent is only patriotic when the other party is running things. Once your party seizes all the levers of power, that same dissent becomes un-american and grassroots opposition movements are nothing more than racist astroturfing operations.
Really, unmanned missions bring the same amount of international prestige and goodwill as manned ones? I don't think so -- the United States gained more in this department from a handful of moon shots and space shuttle rides for friends/allies than it has from all the robotic missions combined.
I'd much rather see the money pit that is our current space plan go into getting better schooling
Why do you assume the problem with our educational system is a lack of money? Washington DC spends more per student than any other "state" but has one of the worst public school systems. Perhaps the problems with our schools have something to do with misplaced priorities (we spend more money on "special needs" kids than the gifted kids that will actually be running this country in a generation), an entrenched culture that's resistant to change and the intrusion of politics from all levels of government into our schools?
The first point annoys me the most. I've seen gifted kids that are literally bored out of their mind with the classroom curriculum. Many schools lack advanced programs for these kids so they sit in the classroom daydreaming while "learning" stuff that they already know. Meanwhile we spend thousands of dollars on the special needs kids, some of whom don't even need to be in those programs to begin with but wound up there anyway because the school district gets more money for a special needs kid than a regular one.
Who was it that said it's a wonder that curiosity survives a formal education? He or she was dead on with that observation.....
International prestige? Further scientific understanding of the effects of microgravity on the human organism? The foundation for eventual space colonization? The laundry list of scientific breakthroughs and advancements in consumer technology that have come from the space program? Jobs?
So,... you have no credit cards, don't own a house or a car either, as far as I can tell, because all these things have insanely complicated contracts that the banks can change willy-nilly if they please.
To be fair, not all credit card companies do that. The account agreement I got from my credit union with their credit card was a single page. It contained no arbitration clause and no provision for them to unilaterally change the contract. Go find yourself a local community bank or credit union. Odds are that they will treat you better than the big boys. Added bonus: Most of them didn't steal any of your tax dollars from you either.
That's interesting. So if I get a traffic ticket in NV I have to answer "yes" to the question of whether or not I've ever been charged with a crime? My state defines three types of offenses: felonies, misdemeanors and violations. Traffic citations exist in their own category, they aren't considered crimes of any type (except for DWI/reckless driving/etc of course)
but that's got to be safer and less expensive than a missile.... right?
How do you think the satellite would get up there? It would ride on the top of a rocket. The only difference between a rocket and a missile is the intended usage thereof.
You rather missed the point I'm afraid, but to answer your question, his case hasn't been decided yet. The punishment for a Class A misdemeanor in NYS includes up to 12 months of jail time and a rather hefty fine (I want to say $10,000 but I'm not sure). I doubt he'll get that much of course. He will lose his pistol license, which means he can never legally possess a handgun in New York State.
That last bit irks me a little bit, because it goes back to the double standard. When was the last time you heard of someone losing their drivers license over a property damage accident? Hell, we've got people on the roadways with a few DWIs under their belt who keep getting drivers licenses. Why the double standard? Cars can and do kill, more people than guns do as a matter of fact. Either guns are excessively regulated or cars aren't regulated enough.
They've also got a fleet of E-3 AWACS. Technically they belong to the NATO alliance, but they had to be registered with some country under ICAO regulations, so Luxembourg was chosen.
If some flies thru a parking lot at 40Mph and takes out a dozen cars (but no one is hurt), they will be arrested and charge with a crime.
A few years ago our neighbors teenager pulled into our shared driveway like a bat out of hell and plowed into our garage, knocking half of it down. If anybody had been in that garage they would likely have sustained serious injuries. He wasn't charged with any crime.
If I make a mistake handling one of my firearms and put a bullet through that same garage I'm looking at a reckless endangerment charge. Doesn't that seem like a bit of a double standard to you?
They don't even have to break into your house to do this. What happens if someone steals my cell phone off the restaurant table when I'm not looking and uses it to call the White House and threaten to take out the President? I don't think I'd be charged in that instance, nor should I be.....
As a matter of fact, in most countries (and US states, I believe) you are required to adequately secure your guns.
I live in one of the most anti-gun states in the union and there's no laws pertaining to gun storage on the books here. You could be charged with other crimes if you do something stupid (i.e: reckless endangerment if leave a gun lying around when you have kids in the house) but it's not a crime in of itself to leave a gun lying out in the open.
Such laws are one-size-fits-all solutions anyway. What's "adequately" secure? If you have kids or a mentally ill housemate then the guns need to be under your direct control (i.e: a holstered pistol) or under lock and key. If you live alone then the simple act of locking your door and not leaving them in plain view from the outside would be enough to secure them in my mind.
I sleep with a loaded pistol on my nightstand because I live in a second floor apartment with no means of escape. Such behavior would be unthinkable if I had kids but is perfectly acceptable for an adult living by himself.
There have been many cases of people not their securing firearms being successfully sued when someone dies as a result.
Yes, if you don't secure a firearm and one of your kids uses it to blow his friend's brains out then you are liable. But the GP talked about someone breaking in -- why should you be liable in that instance? It's your fault that a someone decided to break the law and steal your property?
I wish that everyone was held to the same standards as gun owners. As a random example, we just had a guy in our town charged with reckless endangerment (a misdemeanor) for putting a bullet through his neighbors apartment while cleaning his pistol. Just property damage, thankfully nobody got hurt, yet he was criminally charged. Contrast that with automobiles. Automobiles can and do kill -- but when was the last time you saw someone receive a criminal charge for an automobile accident that resulted in property damage and no personal injury?
Maybe we should hold drivers to the same standard as gun owners? I bet the roadways would be a lot safer....
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I see what you are saying. At the present, I choose to fight them, because I love my home state and don't yet have the desire to leave. If I do wind up leaving it will probably be driven more by the excessive level of taxation than by the gun laws.
NY has had it's restrictive handgun laws since 1911. It's called the Sullivan Act. It was passed at the behest of a State Senator with ties to organized crime and was written in such a way as to give the police near total discretion on whether or not someone got a pistol license. This discretion was then used to keep immigrants and other "undesirables" from legally owning handguns.
Perhaps if the teachers unions were willing to part with some of their plush benefits that no other industry receives (what other job can you work in and have a lifetime guarantee that nothing short of felony conviction can get you fired?) the public would be willing to pay them more money.
I would have no objection to teachers making six digits or more if they operated under the same reality as the rest of us. If I do a shitty job I can be fired. If a tenured teacher does a shitty job she gets to keep on doing it until retirement.
Eh, I was making the comparison to another state that historically trampled on the constitutionally protected rights of it's residents. New York State has no more right to require me to get a license to own a handgun than it would have to require me to get a license to post this comment on /.
The Jim Crow comparison goes even deeper than that too. Remember when the Southern States imposed poll taxes to keep blacks and poor whites from voting? That's exactly what New York City does with firearms licenses. It costs more than $430 to apply for a NYC pistol license. Said license may not even be issued and even if it is will need to be renewed in two years. The objective is to make gun ownership so costly and such a PITA that nobody bothers.
Telling someone they should have to move to another state to exercise their inalienable rights is not a valid answer, IMHO.
Did I miss the part of the US Constitution that says the right to keep and drive cars shall not be infringed?
He's constantly been reinforcing the thought that I regret even thinking that he would be different than all the others.
I think that's the source of my bitterness towards him more than anything else. It's not as though I ever thought he agreed with all of my views. I knew that he didn't agree with me when it came to guns or foreign policy. I was just dumb enough to believe that he actually meant it when he talked about a "new kind" of politics.
Live and learn I guess. At least I wised up before the general election. If only I could take back the vote for him in the primary, the sweat equity I put in on the campaign trail and all of the people that I had previously convinced to vote for him.
I don't know how he managed to have a negligent discharge. I've never had one in 15 years of handling firearms. I don't have much sympathy for him with the criminal charge and loss of pistol license either. My only point was that we treat car owners with kid gloves when they destroy property while gun owners are punished for what "could of" happened even when it didn't....
His bullet through his neighbors wall caused nothing more than drywall damage. Easily repairable with a patch kit and some spackle. Probably less than $100 worth of damage. Does that dollar amount of damage caused by a motor vehicle result in criminal charges? Worse, does personal injury caused by a motor vehicle often result in criminal charges?
Honestly, what is with all these idiots that have ADs while cleaning guns?
No such thing as an accidental discharge. Let's call them what they are, negligent discharges.
This isn't a big deal. NYS sucks anyway, and there's 49 other states he can move to quite easily.
South Carolina sucks anyway, and there's 40 other states without Jim Crow that those African-Americans can move to.....
It's literally the only thing he's done that made my blood boil.
Your blood didn't boil when he reversed himself on FISA and voted for telecom immunity? It didn't boil when he reneged on his "no tax increases for people making <$250,000" promise and signed legislation containing tax increases on medical devices, tanning salons and tobacco? It didn't boil when he doubled down on our failed Afghanistan policy?
Was it not Hillary Clinton who said that disagreement is a fundamental principal of a democracy?
You didn't get the latest memo, did you? Dissent is only patriotic when the other party is running things. Once your party seizes all the levers of power, that same dissent becomes un-american and grassroots opposition movements are nothing more than racist astroturfing operations.
Really, unmanned missions bring the same amount of international prestige and goodwill as manned ones? I don't think so -- the United States gained more in this department from a handful of moon shots and space shuttle rides for friends/allies than it has from all the robotic missions combined.
I'd much rather see the money pit that is our current space plan go into getting better schooling
Why do you assume the problem with our educational system is a lack of money? Washington DC spends more per student than any other "state" but has one of the worst public school systems. Perhaps the problems with our schools have something to do with misplaced priorities (we spend more money on "special needs" kids than the gifted kids that will actually be running this country in a generation), an entrenched culture that's resistant to change and the intrusion of politics from all levels of government into our schools?
The first point annoys me the most. I've seen gifted kids that are literally bored out of their mind with the classroom curriculum. Many schools lack advanced programs for these kids so they sit in the classroom daydreaming while "learning" stuff that they already know. Meanwhile we spend thousands of dollars on the special needs kids, some of whom don't even need to be in those programs to begin with but wound up there anyway because the school district gets more money for a special needs kid than a regular one.
Who was it that said it's a wonder that curiosity survives a formal education? He or she was dead on with that observation.....
International prestige? Further scientific understanding of the effects of microgravity on the human organism? The foundation for eventual space colonization? The laundry list of scientific breakthroughs and advancements in consumer technology that have come from the space program? Jobs?
So,... you have no credit cards, don't own a house or a car either, as far as I can tell, because all these things have insanely complicated contracts that the banks can change willy-nilly if they please.
To be fair, not all credit card companies do that. The account agreement I got from my credit union with their credit card was a single page. It contained no arbitration clause and no provision for them to unilaterally change the contract. Go find yourself a local community bank or credit union. Odds are that they will treat you better than the big boys. Added bonus: Most of them didn't steal any of your tax dollars from you either.
That's interesting. So if I get a traffic ticket in NV I have to answer "yes" to the question of whether or not I've ever been charged with a crime? My state defines three types of offenses: felonies, misdemeanors and violations. Traffic citations exist in their own category, they aren't considered crimes of any type (except for DWI/reckless driving/etc of course)
Answer: he throws a brick through the window, enters the house, and HOOKS HIS LAPTOP UP TO THE DSL MODEM.
My DSL modem is secured with a 12 gauge shotgun linked to a switch that will pull the trigger as soon as the ethernet link is tampered with ;)
(Of course first I'd have to go buy a gun.)
What's stopping you? Rights not exercised are rights lost.
but that's got to be safer and less expensive than a missile.... right?
How do you think the satellite would get up there? It would ride on the top of a rocket. The only difference between a rocket and a missile is the intended usage thereof.
You rather missed the point I'm afraid, but to answer your question, his case hasn't been decided yet. The punishment for a Class A misdemeanor in NYS includes up to 12 months of jail time and a rather hefty fine (I want to say $10,000 but I'm not sure). I doubt he'll get that much of course. He will lose his pistol license, which means he can never legally possess a handgun in New York State.
That last bit irks me a little bit, because it goes back to the double standard. When was the last time you heard of someone losing their drivers license over a property damage accident? Hell, we've got people on the roadways with a few DWIs under their belt who keep getting drivers licenses. Why the double standard? Cars can and do kill, more people than guns do as a matter of fact. Either guns are excessively regulated or cars aren't regulated enough.
They've also got a fleet of E-3 AWACS. Technically they belong to the NATO alliance, but they had to be registered with some country under ICAO regulations, so Luxembourg was chosen.
If some flies thru a parking lot at 40Mph and takes out a dozen cars (but no one is hurt), they will be arrested and charge with a crime.
A few years ago our neighbors teenager pulled into our shared driveway like a bat out of hell and plowed into our garage, knocking half of it down. If anybody had been in that garage they would likely have sustained serious injuries. He wasn't charged with any crime.
If I make a mistake handling one of my firearms and put a bullet through that same garage I'm looking at a reckless endangerment charge. Doesn't that seem like a bit of a double standard to you?
They don't even have to break into your house to do this. What happens if someone steals my cell phone off the restaurant table when I'm not looking and uses it to call the White House and threaten to take out the President? I don't think I'd be charged in that instance, nor should I be.....
As a matter of fact, in most countries (and US states, I believe) you are required to adequately secure your guns.
I live in one of the most anti-gun states in the union and there's no laws pertaining to gun storage on the books here. You could be charged with other crimes if you do something stupid (i.e: reckless endangerment if leave a gun lying around when you have kids in the house) but it's not a crime in of itself to leave a gun lying out in the open.
Such laws are one-size-fits-all solutions anyway. What's "adequately" secure? If you have kids or a mentally ill housemate then the guns need to be under your direct control (i.e: a holstered pistol) or under lock and key. If you live alone then the simple act of locking your door and not leaving them in plain view from the outside would be enough to secure them in my mind.
I sleep with a loaded pistol on my nightstand because I live in a second floor apartment with no means of escape. Such behavior would be unthinkable if I had kids but is perfectly acceptable for an adult living by himself.
You would be charged with failing to secure your residence
In what country is it a crime to leave your front door unlocked? It certainly isn't in the United States.
There have been many cases of people not their securing firearms being successfully sued when someone dies as a result.
Yes, if you don't secure a firearm and one of your kids uses it to blow his friend's brains out then you are liable. But the GP talked about someone breaking in -- why should you be liable in that instance? It's your fault that a someone decided to break the law and steal your property?
I wish that everyone was held to the same standards as gun owners. As a random example, we just had a guy in our town charged with reckless endangerment (a misdemeanor) for putting a bullet through his neighbors apartment while cleaning his pistol. Just property damage, thankfully nobody got hurt, yet he was criminally charged. Contrast that with automobiles. Automobiles can and do kill -- but when was the last time you saw someone receive a criminal charge for an automobile accident that resulted in property damage and no personal injury?
Maybe we should hold drivers to the same standard as gun owners? I bet the roadways would be a lot safer....
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