Are you guys nuts? It doesn't take food, clothing or house. Computer is NOT a vitally needed thing. No one dies without it. And no one is forced to buy Windoze under the gun. You voted with your $$$ for it, now you find yourselves screwed. There ya go! Competition to Windoze is not `around the corner' You just have to stop viewing netporn and dload BSD or Linux. Ahh, you are imdecile and can't figure `cp' or `cat'? There ya go! Feel BSD/Linux immature? Go buy Sun. Get a Cray. Got no money? There ya go! You spent it on Muzzdie. Make your tiny brain work again! What remedy will _existing_ Windows users benefit from? Just one- leave M$ alone. Want a competition? Become it. Go and tell everyone how good our OSs are, not how bad Muzzdie is! Explain and convince, don't rant and flame and they will come. Swapping one Bill to another won't make John happy. Unless he's another Bill.
I bet you'll be wondered. Russian troops were fighting on German territory then. You remember Guadalcanal? But do you remember Hiroshima? Nagasaki? These stupid rants make me sick. Soldiers were dying in war. Nothing is going to make them coming back to their homes. So shut up. Stand up. Keep silence. Thank you.
Uhhh, how people can be that childish sometimes? So many posts are really problem-oriented here. Let's turn the things upside up and be solution-oriented. Of course, people feel uncertain and scared. And the harder we push, the worse it feels. What? No more This-Editor? That-Spreadsheet? How am I supposed to do things? This is the key Q. StarOffice and all Windows imitations are bound to fail, because they are trying to enforce an ideology that is alien to Unix-like enviroments. The most important thing is IMHO how to convince John R. Luser that Linux is not just another OS to run the same app, but an enviroment where things can be done in a different way and that this way is better, faster and easier to learn. And not to overlook the solution. If another OS is better- use it. And let the best win. Time will show
Thanks for everyone on this thread who managed to keep their mind calm. I also apologize if my previous post offended someone. Please, get me right. Vast majority of /. readers have no idea about communism/socialism/how-do-you-call-it But some people who never lived in former SU or nowadays China tend to confuse nations and regimes and to make judgements on what they have neither idea nor experience of. If you think someone is worse just because he is different, look at yourself again. There's not so much difference. That's it. Sorry again.
We had 2 passwords. Customers loved that, because they could keep `critical' accounts with our bank. Per legislation, Chief Beancounter carries criminal responsibility tohether with Big Boss if something goes wrong, so they just made it so one person knew only one password:) In fact, one password was to encrypt the request with PGP, another had been passed together with client ID to our webserver, which spawned a process that identified itself to our banking system with client ID and the second password. Also, I guess sane client IP checks. This can be easy with corporate financials but I'm unsure about patients. Corporates normally have only one machine with fixed IP from which transactions can be performed. If your patient also has a fixed IP, you can include this as an option. Of course, IP datagrams can be faked, but this is another story. In fact, who is going to contact his doctor from a public machine? Well, there are some subtle details that just don't fit into Lynx editor, so feel free to email:)
How can ESR, speaking for the whole community, say that? Either it's free of politics and everyone, can enjoy OSS/FSF, whatever, or we just have changed govt/business regulations to the monarchial and racistic opinion of a couple of persons most of us never met. Why's that so if Linux is adopted by This-And-That US govt dept, everyone is pissing hot, but if Yahoo is running a hoax to test the community reaction, ESR comes to the stage and the sh*t begins? Or maybe Mr. Raymond forgotten that US govt for years had been infecting its own black citizens with mortal viruses and Mr. Clinton had to apologize, which couldn't return dead, but oh, we are politcorrect again and dressed in white. Or should I say that US it the only country used nuclear power in military? There are many outstanding programmers, ESR among them. But have you ever heared about good politician?
Although I completely agree with your remark about `Windows better than Windows', I feel like you are missing the point abit. This is not a Win vs Linux matter. What it takes is thinking vs being wide open to the media hype. The whole ASP `idea', IMHO, has two major show stopping issues- low bandwidth and security. In the article, J. S. mentions an `unbelieveable success of Hotmail web based mailservice'. But he's too modest to tell his readers how many times HM had been cracked. And this is just a mail service used mainly to receive the junk. Imagine what will happen when classified financial data will fly over the net.
I'm afraid, not, but still.... Apart of Mr. Seymour writes about some really strange things like `terminal/host time share'. Maybe he's dreaming about inventing something. Like Al Gore. OK, people do dream. But the whole buzz about ASP is annoying. What benefits are people going to have? Performance? No. Stability? Don't make me laugh. Bigger dicks? Not even this! HDD space is cheap as dirt and the list of free sofwtare is huge and growing. On the other hand, bandwidth is still precious and the 'Net is full of noise and we must say NO. That way.;)
I'm sorry for being completely ignorant about the US juridical practice.... Definitions set forth in the Background section, do they have any juridical power in the US now? At first glance some terms are defined _very_ inaccurate. I couldn't read beyond this section just because the site is soooo lagged, but what I've found sounds really doubtful. The most uncertain (?) points are definitions of OS, platform and explanations about possibility of running the same OS on different architactures, but this is they key part!
I'm sorry for being completely ignorant about the US juridical practice.... Definitions set forth in the Background section, do they have any juridical power in the US now? At first glance some terms are defined _very_ inaccurate. I couldn't read beyond this section just because the site is soooo lagged, but what I've found sounds really doubtful.
Well, I'm not sure about the Europe and slugs, but definately, the European part of the former SU, especially in the South (Ukraine, Moldova), every summer is screwed with Colorado bugs, little pests, of sand colour with black stripes along the body and orange heads that eat potato leaves like hell. The only sure way to get rid of such a bug is to burn it because even if it's smashed, eggs it carries develop within days....
BTW, there's a superstition that human hair is to be burned, because if it's not and if a bird makes a nest of it, hair's `ex-owner' will feel a huge headache while the bird is in the nest. However, nothing is said about the beard:)
Well, so far slugs are fermented in a station, but what if bots could do this themselves? And what if they have a positive feedback that makes them treating slugs as _food_? Ie, the more slugs a bot picks, the more powerful it is.... On the other hand, slugs can evolute, can't they? And change their behaviour to fool the bot, eg learn to crawl faster or to change the form of the body to look like something else.... I'm not sure about practical usefullness, but by all means it's very interesting to set a series of experiments.
Well, and then Mr. Buck, the Almighty came.... Really, they have found numreous already-there Linux installations but people were clueless to make a Muzzdie box talking to Linux one. Just another kind of FUD, IMHO- yes, Linux is all that Unixoid and it's free but don't you dare to touch the button yourself. We'll contact our Level 2 guys and they'll come and add --color to your ls alias in ~/.bashrc
Really:) Especially like this: -Are you on working on seppuku today? -Nope, my turn is tomorrow. (Seppuku, ritual suicide, aka harakiri) BTW, geisha ain't that cheesy- just gei, which is actor's play and sha- word forming suffix. And yes, Gozilla is, in fact, gojiro. But food theme is really endless. The odd thing is that it's very complex.
AFAIK, at least Coca Cola has a definite meaning- name of plants it's supposed to be made of (coca and cola). As to Sony.... My Stereo & Video mag tells the legend that Sony was established by a group of youngsters and noone believed in their success and called them in English manner 'sonny', but in Japanese son-ni sounds bad, son means 'loss, damage' (can be inaccurate, I have only Japanese-Russian handy), thus son-ni means 'in loss', maybe even out of money, in dire straits. PS you can check it against online English Japanese dictionary.
Aaaahhh, sitsurei shimashita~ Sorry, the reason of such a mistake is that sometimes I use Wa-Ro, and sometimes Wa-Ei Jiten. Japanese words are transcribed slightly different in Russian and English, you see:) This often messes things up in my head. Hope this makes and excuse for such an ignoramus as I am:)
Kitsune-chan, Thanks alot for your word of wisdom. I tend to agree with most of your arguments. After all, we are parts of something very new, usually called 'community'- a gathering of inidviduals, disciplined anarchists, selfish and generous, whose main concern is _their_ very own vision of freedom. So let the world be spread around. We can change 'em. And I believe guys will chill out soon- there's damn too many things to do....
I believe, you are really overboard with this. It is no 'lower', it's just 'another'. I recall an anecdotic situation when Chinese were told by M$ fastminded guys that copying their stuff, at least, violates common moral. They responend that according to _their_ moral, 'copying master's work is nothing but an expression of respect':) Just browse the 'Net to find out about the history of arts in Asia, you'll see, they are not 'lower' or 'higher'. People are just different....
Or if you prefer more emotional point of view- this is the 'personal value', ie it matters what you give, not what you have. One has to be familiar with programming to bug-hunt, but everyone can read CREDITS or README and see who made this. And if my thingy is bad designed or implemented- dammit, that's a shame. People face the world with parts of their code, there's no logo to hide behind. Just imagine: late in the night, you, your machine and your code.... How can one be bad with that?:)
Inprise is going to apply their programming standards on Linux. OK, let's see what's in the basket. 1. They have some experience with freeware/open source. Delphi comes with VCL source and there's InterBase 4 for Linux free (closed source). 2. Inprise is in so dramatically bad financial shape that they sold to M$- their only competition under Muzzdie. 3. D4 is full of bugs. Every complicated piece of software has them, but they weren't in D3 4. Since D1 Inprise didn't manage to create any new component suite. Most things are 3rd party. InterBase Express, so much hyped, is based on FIB- _free_ IB API library. This is good news for enterprises that have big code base in Delphi and those unable to turn to C, FPC, perl, python, whetever. Study or pay. That's it. And of course, no one can force people to give up gcc and pay for Kynix (what that should mean?) (For AC fast to flame poor little ladies- I'm with Borland Pascal since '90 and I do have freeware. In Delphi. How 'bout you son?)
Off-Topic. Just for the sake of clarity.... There's no such word in Russian, 'chernobyl'. This plant is called "polyn'" or 'polyng', whatever is you preferred way to transcribe a trailing 'soft n'. "Chornobyl" is Ukrainian name for that plant. Ukrainian is close to Russian, but in fact, this is completely different language. Yes, I speak both:) And one more thing. Russian translation of 'The Revelation' (Apocalypsis) mentions 'the star called wormwood will fall from the sky....' I was 16 when this happened, I lived there with my parents. Trust me, no start were falling on us. But that's completely another story.
I was always impressed by the ability of US nation to absorb new, usefull and amazing things from around the world. So what happened to this great nation now? People, look around, it's easy now to see farther than another coast. Not everything is going around the money! The whole civilizations are build around more crucial and eternal things. You don't need another car. Your kids won't drive it. Do yourself a favour, relax. And when the hard day is over, take a walk and enjoy the roses:)
C'mon, do you really believe this? If so, please explain why a satellite or a missile can misoperate due to Y2K????!!!! Satellites just fly high above scanning the surface for, most probably, sources of heat to detect missile launches. Of course, if they were made by M$, they could send you a nice-looking ASP with arms and flag to notify that Russians misbehave again. But believe me, all military appliances in SU were designed and built to be damn simple and robust so even brainless can press the right button and can not press the wrong one. Just consider that there always was a compulsory military duty. Someone could say that satellites need clock to track their location. Correct. But who says this has to be an 'absolute' clock? Count of milliseconds since the launch is enough. Moreof, sats are closer to the most precise clock- Sun and stars. Damn, it all looks like Russians got them scared to rise some more funds:) Call it political engineering:)
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Are you guys nuts? It doesn't take food, clothing
or house. Computer is NOT a vitally needed thing.
No one dies without it. And no one is forced to
buy Windoze under the gun. You voted with your $$$
for it, now you find yourselves screwed. There ya go!
Competition to Windoze is not `around the corner'
You just have to stop viewing netporn and dload BSD or Linux. Ahh, you are imdecile and can't figure `cp' or `cat'?
There ya go! Feel BSD/Linux immature? Go buy Sun. Get a Cray. Got no money? There ya go! You spent it on Muzzdie.
Make your tiny brain work again! What remedy will _existing_ Windows users benefit from?
Just one- leave M$ alone. Want a competition? Become it. Go and tell everyone how good our OSs are, not how bad Muzzdie is! Explain and convince, don't rant and flame and they will come. Swapping one Bill to another won't make John happy. Unless he's another Bill.
I bet you'll be wondered. Russian troops were
fighting on German territory then. You remember
Guadalcanal? But do you remember Hiroshima?
Nagasaki?
These stupid rants make me sick. Soldiers were
dying in war. Nothing is going to make them coming
back to their homes. So shut up. Stand up. Keep
silence. Thank you.
Uhhh, how people can be that childish sometimes? So many posts are really problem-oriented here.
Let's turn the things upside up and be solution-oriented.
Of course, people feel uncertain and scared. And the harder we push, the worse it feels.
What? No more This-Editor? That-Spreadsheet? How am I supposed to do things?
This is the key Q. StarOffice and all Windows imitations are bound to fail,
because they are trying to enforce an ideology that is alien to Unix-like enviroments.
The most important thing is IMHO how to convince John R. Luser that
Linux is not just another OS to run the same app, but an enviroment where things
can be done in a different way and that this way is better, faster and easier to learn.
And not to overlook the solution. If another OS is better- use it. And let the best win. Time will show
Thanks for everyone on this thread who managed to
keep their mind calm.
I also apologize if my previous post offended
someone. Please, get me right. Vast majority of
/. readers have no idea about communism/socialism/how-do-you-call-it
But some people who never lived in former SU or
nowadays China tend to confuse nations and regimes and
to make judgements on what they have neither idea nor experience of.
If you think someone is worse just because he is different,
look at yourself again. There's not so much difference. That's it. Sorry again.
We had 2 passwords. Customers loved that, because :) :)
they could keep `critical' accounts with our bank. Per legislation, Chief Beancounter carries criminal
responsibility tohether with Big Boss if something goes wrong, so they just
made it so one person knew only one password
In fact, one password was to encrypt the request with PGP,
another had been passed together with client ID to our webserver, which spawned a process
that identified itself to our banking system with client ID and the second password.
Also, I guess sane client IP checks. This can be easy with corporate financials but I'm unsure about patients.
Corporates normally have only one machine with fixed IP from which transactions can be performed. If your patient also has a fixed IP, you can include
this as an option. Of course, IP datagrams can be faked, but this is another story. In fact, who is going to contact his doctor from a public machine? Well, there are some subtle details that just don't fit into Lynx editor, so feel free to email
How can ESR, speaking for the whole community, say that?
Either it's free of politics and everyone, can enjoy
OSS/FSF, whatever, or we just have changed govt/business
regulations to the monarchial and racistic opinion of
a couple of persons most of us never met.
Why's that so if Linux is adopted by This-And-That US govt dept, everyone is pissing hot,
but if Yahoo is running a hoax to test the community reaction, ESR comes to the stage
and the sh*t begins? Or maybe Mr. Raymond forgotten that US govt for years had been infecting its own black
citizens with mortal viruses and Mr. Clinton had to apologize, which couldn't return dead, but oh,
we are politcorrect again and dressed in white. Or should I say that US it the only country used nuclear power in military? There are many outstanding programmers, ESR among them. But have you ever heared about good politician?
Although I completely agree with your remark
about `Windows better than Windows', I feel like
you are missing the point abit.
This is not a Win vs Linux matter. What it takes
is thinking vs being wide open to the media hype.
The whole ASP `idea', IMHO, has two major show
stopping issues- low bandwidth and security. In
the article, J. S. mentions an `unbelieveable
success of Hotmail web based mailservice'. But he's
too modest to tell his readers how many times HM had been cracked. And this is just a mail service used mainly to receive the junk. Imagine what will happen when classified financial data will fly over the net.
I'm afraid, not, but still.... ;)
Apart of Mr. Seymour writes about some really strange
things like `terminal/host time share'. Maybe he's dreaming about inventing something. Like Al Gore.
OK, people do dream. But the whole buzz about ASP
is annoying. What benefits are people going to have?
Performance? No. Stability? Don't make me laugh.
Bigger dicks? Not even this! HDD space is cheap as
dirt and the list of free sofwtare is huge and growing.
On the other hand, bandwidth is still precious and
the 'Net is full of noise and we must say NO. That way.
I'm sorry for being completely ignorant about the
US juridical practice.... Definitions set forth
in the Background section, do they have any
juridical power in the US now?
At first glance some terms are defined _very_
inaccurate. I couldn't read beyond this section
just because the site is soooo lagged, but what
I've found sounds really doubtful.
The most uncertain (?) points are definitions of
OS, platform and explanations about possibility of running the same OS on different architactures, but this is they key part!
I'm sorry for being completely ignorant about the
US juridical practice.... Definitions set forth
in the Background section, do they have any
juridical power in the US now?
At first glance some terms are defined _very_
inaccurate. I couldn't read beyond this section
just because the site is soooo lagged, but what
I've found sounds really doubtful.
Well, I'm not sure about the Europe and slugs,
but definately, the European part of the former
SU, especially in the South (Ukraine, Moldova),
every summer is screwed with Colorado bugs,
little pests, of sand colour with black stripes
along the body and orange heads that eat potato
leaves like hell.
The only sure way to get rid of such a bug is to
burn it because even if it's smashed, eggs it
carries develop within days....
BTW, there's a superstition that human hair is :)
to be burned, because if it's not and if a bird
makes a nest of it, hair's `ex-owner' will feel
a huge headache while the bird is in the nest.
However, nothing is said about the beard
Well, so far slugs are fermented in a station,
but what if bots could do this themselves? And
what if they have a positive feedback that makes
them treating slugs as _food_? Ie, the more slugs
a bot picks, the more powerful it is....
On the other hand, slugs can evolute, can't they?
And change their behaviour to fool the bot, eg
learn to crawl faster or to change the form of
the body to look like something else....
I'm not sure about practical usefullness, but by all means it's very interesting to set a series of experiments.
Well, and then Mr. Buck, the Almighty came....
Really, they have found numreous already-there
Linux installations but people were clueless to
make a Muzzdie box talking to Linux one.
Just another kind of FUD, IMHO- yes, Linux is all
that Unixoid and it's free but don't you dare to
touch the button yourself. We'll contact our Level 2
guys and they'll come and add --color to your ls
alias in ~/.bashrc
Call it Dengy :)
Dengi = money, Russian.
Really :) Especially like this:
-Are you on working on seppuku today?
-Nope, my turn is tomorrow.
(Seppuku, ritual suicide, aka harakiri)
BTW, geisha ain't that cheesy- just gei, which
is actor's play and sha- word forming suffix.
And yes, Gozilla is, in fact, gojiro.
But food theme is really endless. The odd thing
is that it's very complex.
AFAIK, at least Coca Cola has a definite meaning-
name of plants it's supposed to be made of (coca
and cola). As to Sony.... My Stereo & Video mag
tells the legend that Sony was established by a
group of youngsters and noone believed in their
success and called them in English manner 'sonny',
but in Japanese son-ni sounds bad, son means 'loss,
damage' (can be inaccurate, I have only Japanese-Russian handy),
thus son-ni means 'in loss', maybe even out of money,
in dire straits. PS you can check it against online English Japanese dictionary.
Aaaahhh, sitsurei shimashita~ Sorry, the reason :) This often :)
of such a mistake is that sometimes I use Wa-Ro,
and sometimes Wa-Ei Jiten.
Japanese words are transcribed slightly different
in Russian and English, you see
messes things up in my head. Hope this makes and
excuse for such an ignoramus as I am
Kitsune-chan,
Thanks alot for your word of wisdom. I tend to
agree with most of your arguments.
After all, we are parts of something very new,
usually called 'community'- a gathering of
inidviduals, disciplined anarchists, selfish and
generous, whose main concern is _their_ very own
vision of freedom.
So let the world be spread around. We can change 'em.
And I believe guys will chill out soon- there's damn too many things to do....
I believe, you are really overboard with this. It :)
is no 'lower', it's just 'another'. I recall an
anecdotic situation when Chinese were told
by M$ fastminded guys that copying their stuff, at
least, violates common moral. They responend that
according to _their_ moral, 'copying master's work
is nothing but an expression of respect'
Just browse the 'Net to find out about the history
of arts in Asia, you'll see, they are not 'lower' or
'higher'. People are just different....
Or if you prefer more emotional point of view- this is the 'personal value', ie :)
it matters what you give, not what you have.
One has to be familiar with programming to bug-hunt, but everyone can read CREDITS or
README and see who made this. And if my thingy is bad designed or implemented-
dammit, that's a shame.
People face the world with parts of their code, there's no
logo to hide behind.
Just imagine: late in the night, you, your machine and your code.... How can one be bad with that?
Inprise is going to apply their programming standards on Linux. OK, let's see what's in the basket.
1. They have some experience with freeware/open source. Delphi comes with VCL source and
there's InterBase 4 for Linux free (closed source).
2. Inprise is in so dramatically bad financial shape that they sold to M$- their only competition under Muzzdie.
3. D4 is full of bugs. Every complicated piece of software has them, but they weren't in D3
4. Since D1 Inprise didn't manage to create any new component suite. Most things are 3rd party. InterBase Express,
so much hyped, is based on FIB- _free_ IB API library.
This is good news for enterprises that have big code base in Delphi and those unable to turn to C, FPC, perl, python, whetever. Study or pay.
That's it. And of course, no one can force people to give up gcc and pay for Kynix (what that should mean?)
(For AC fast to flame poor little ladies- I'm with Borland Pascal since '90 and I do have freeware. In Delphi. How 'bout you son?)
Off-Topic. Just for the sake of clarity.... :)
There's no such word in Russian, 'chernobyl'. This plant is called "polyn'" or
'polyng', whatever is you preferred way to transcribe a trailing 'soft n'.
"Chornobyl" is Ukrainian name for that plant. Ukrainian is close to Russian, but in fact, this is
completely different language. Yes, I speak both
And one more thing. Russian translation of 'The Revelation' (Apocalypsis) mentions 'the star called wormwood will fall from the sky....'
I was 16 when this happened, I lived there with my parents. Trust me,
no start were falling on us. But that's completely another story.
I was always impressed by the ability of US nation to absorb new, usefull and :)
amazing things from around the world. So what happened to this great nation now?
People, look around, it's easy now to see farther than another coast. Not everything is going around the money!
The whole civilizations are build around more crucial and eternal things.
You don't need another car. Your kids won't drive it.
Do yourself a favour, relax.
And when the hard day is over, take a walk and enjoy the roses
C'mon, do you really believe this? If so, please explain why a satellite or a missile can misoperate due to Y2K????!!!! :) Call it political engineering :)
Satellites just fly high above scanning the surface for, most probably, sources of heat to detect missile launches.
Of course, if they were made by M$, they could send you a nice-looking ASP with arms and flag to notify
that Russians misbehave again.
But believe me, all military appliances in SU were designed and built to be damn simple and robust so
even brainless can press the right button and can not press the wrong one. Just consider that
there always was a compulsory military duty.
Someone could say that satellites need clock to track their location. Correct. But who says this has to be an 'absolute' clock? Count of milliseconds since the launch is enough.
Moreof, sats are closer to the most precise clock- Sun and stars.
Damn, it all looks like Russians got them scared to rise some more funds