(Please correct me if I misunderstand the problem, it'e been years since I worked on this stuff)
It seems to be both guys are right. That is, in an ideal world starting with a black sheet of paper then it seems to me Kay is almost certainly correct.
But, this does not mean Torvalds is wrong - breaking legacy systems because of a code change that interprets existing config files is "a bad thing".
So, we fall (ONCE AGAIN) into the trap of living with cruft to support legacy stuff. Just like we have to live with NTSC and pulse dial phones - anybody in Canada with a Bell land-line bill will recognize this charge, every month to "support touch tone":
Never mind 99.99999999999% of phones in Canada are touch tone or that this has been there since the 1960s - how many infrastructural changes require a 70 year amortization period and never mind the telco switches have to go out of their way to support pulse (rotary) dial since touch tone in the international norm for landline and cell phones yet we have to pay extra so support the current practice everyone uses? Huh?
That's what supporting legacy cruft buys you.
So, while I see both guys as being right, I also see both guys as being wrong: I don't think Kay should have made this change quietly and I don't think Torvalds should have fired his sorry ass.
If it were me, I'd have done this.
1) Change the spec so "debug" isn't allowed any more. Use Kay's new and improved syntax. 2) Rather than make "debug" does what it does now, or just stop working, have it instead spit out a message that says: "debug" has changed. Don't use it here any more it probably doesn't do what you think. If you know what you're doing and want to proceed anyway, use "debug.legacy" instead and it will give you so much stuff it'll probably hang your system and good luck, see for the new syntax or how to use it properly, and further explanation.
But that's just me.
As always communication might have helped and Kay and Torvalds should have spoken, back-channel, to find a way to elegantly resolve this instead of the usual public dick-waving that does no good and just makes everyone look arrogant and childish. FOSS is full of people with bizarre personalities, but we gotta do better, they're bizarre, not retarded.
Also, any system that will die if one person does, then it's too weak to live. Human progress depends on the things people build being made to outlive them.
Actually you should take a good hefty dose of all the vitamins and minerals from A-Z. Plus the important oils: EPA/DHA/ALA/GLA.
Maybe it won't work for you. But you might want to try to rule this out. It seems to have worked for a lot of people.
You think an above average brain can get by on the average amounts of these essential nutrients, which are precursors to the biochemical processses of thinkint and memory? Good luck with that.
"So, I'm just wondering how that related, for example, to global warming and eventual global cooling."
To possabilities here:
1) He may he a total hick and utterly clueless.
2) He may be asking "will the rate of warming have any effect before a cooling event"
and in the latter case may know more than 99% of the pro-AGW crowd.
This David Suzuki documentary on the CBC gave some very strong and compelling evidence that the 1000 year cycle of the reversal of the earths magnetic poles is the cause of glaciation an that were 200 years into this. Maximum "cold" will occur at the halfway point, so that's 300 years from now. But it won't come all at once, it'll gradually get there and the sun flipping it's poles this xmas and the 100-yr cold records broken this year is just a taste of that.
So it might not be wise to be too smug about this, you may just have been played by somebody that actually knew more than you.
I have a US "Green Card". I had to fill out about 27 forms and the last three required me to print my name in block letters, one letter per square. Being British I have of course impeccable printing.
All the correspondence had my name spelled correctly but when I got the card - my name was spelled incorrectly.
"It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for" - Will Rogers.
"97%+ of geologists agreed the continents were stable. It was Settled Science. Hundreds of research papers supported it. Overwhelming consensus. And wrong. And, oddly (not really, if you think about it a moment), it was not a geologist but a meteorologist, Alfred Wegener, who ultimately showed all the mutually agreeing geologists they had it all wrong; the continents move." - Michael K. Oliver
Just because it's claimed to be settled science doesn't mean it's true. Never confuse truth for consensus.
"97%+ of geologists agreed the continents were stable. It was Settled Science. Hundreds of research papers supported it. Overwhelming consensus. And wrong. And, oddly (not really, if you think about it a moment), it was not a geologist but a meteorologist, Alfred Wegener, who ultimately showed all the mutually agreeing geologists they had it all wrong; the continents move." - Michael K. Oliver
"We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now...".' Now Lovelock is walking back his rhetoric, admitting that he and other prominent global warming advocates were being alarmists. In a new interview with MSNBC he says: '"The problem is we don't know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books — mine included — because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn't happened," Lovelock said. "The climate is doing its usual tricks. There's nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now," he said. "The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that," he added.' Lovelock still believes the climate is changing, but at a much, much slower pace."
All plants have a temperature range they're happy in. Irelands used to grow wheat, but when it cold colder and wetter they switch to potatoes. The kind of temperature increases being talked about (that didn't happen) aren't going to affect anything.
Water matters more. And it's known when you cut down all the trees, rain sorta stops - think of trees as hydraulic pumps that squite water into the air from the ground and you'd not be too wrong.
We've killed half the trees in the last 100 years.
Is there a chance AGW is a smoke screen for that?
AGW has also attenuated discussion of pollution, any chance AGW is a smokescreen for that?
Slashdot Mirror
Sure but that's subjective. Post the same two posts on a mac website and the scoring is swapped.
(note also, I use neither, bsd isn't quite as dead as Netcraft suggests)
You'd have to be blind as Ann Franks to not see this.
Like PGP?
Pffft.
Anyway, it's not too late:
http://vimeo.com/18279777
(Skip the first 14 minutes of chair-shuffling)
Bob Metcalf dubbed him "Darth Cerf".
Some people do the right thing and damn the personal cost.
http://www.ted.com/talks/edwar...
(Please correct me if I misunderstand the problem, it'e been years since I worked on this stuff)
It seems to be both guys are right. That is, in an ideal world starting with a black sheet of paper then it seems to me Kay is almost certainly correct.
But, this does not mean Torvalds is wrong - breaking legacy systems because of a code change that interprets existing config files is "a bad thing".
So, we fall (ONCE AGAIN) into the trap of living with cruft to support legacy stuff. Just like we have to live with NTSC and pulse dial phones - anybody in Canada with a Bell land-line bill will recognize this charge, every month to "support touch tone":
http://www.keebler.net/blog/20...
Never mind 99.99999999999% of phones in Canada are touch tone or that this has been there since the 1960s - how many infrastructural changes require a 70 year amortization period and never mind the telco switches have to go out of their way to support pulse (rotary) dial since touch tone in the international norm for landline and cell phones yet we have to pay extra so support the current practice everyone uses? Huh?
That's what supporting legacy cruft buys you.
So, while I see both guys as being right, I also see both guys as being wrong: I don't think Kay should have made this change quietly and I don't think Torvalds should have fired his sorry ass.
If it were me, I'd have done this.
1) Change the spec so "debug" isn't allowed any more. Use Kay's new and improved syntax.
2) Rather than make "debug" does what it does now, or just stop working, have it instead spit out a message that says: "debug" has changed. Don't use it here any more it probably doesn't do what you think. If you know what you're doing and want to proceed anyway, use "debug.legacy" instead and it will give you so much stuff it'll probably hang your system and good luck, see for the new syntax or how to use it properly, and further explanation.
But that's just me.
As always communication might have helped and Kay and Torvalds should have spoken, back-channel, to find a way to elegantly resolve this instead of the usual public dick-waving that does no good and just makes everyone look arrogant and childish. FOSS is full of people with bizarre personalities, but we gotta do better, they're bizarre, not retarded.
Also, any system that will die if one person does, then it's too weak to live. Human progress depends on the things people build being made to outlive them.
As far as I can tell using Linux is the primary symptom of Assburgers.
The bug is interesting and has deep ramifications. What does /. do ? Have everyone post "I use Linux". Oy.
No, they won't.
When there is a reason to, they will.
Note that WordStar and CP/M are still in use to this day.
Niacin, B6, C, Zinc.
Actually you should take a good hefty dose of all the vitamins and minerals from A-Z. Plus the important oils: EPA/DHA/ALA/GLA.
Maybe it won't work for you. But you might want to try to rule this out. It seems to have worked for a lot of people.
You think an above average brain can get by on the average amounts of these essential nutrients, which are precursors to the biochemical processses of thinkint and memory? Good luck with that.
Read Hoffer, Prousky et. al. in Google Scholar.
"So, I'm just wondering how that related, for example, to global warming and eventual global cooling."
To possabilities here:
1) He may he a total hick and utterly clueless.
2) He may be asking "will the rate of warming have any effect before a cooling event"
and in the latter case may know more than 99% of the pro-AGW crowd.
This David Suzuki documentary on the CBC gave some very strong and compelling evidence that the 1000 year cycle of the reversal of the earths magnetic poles is the cause of glaciation an that were 200 years into this. Maximum "cold" will occur at the halfway point, so that's 300 years from now. But it won't come all at once, it'll gradually get there and the sun flipping it's poles this xmas and the 100-yr cold records broken this year is just a taste of that.
So it might not be wise to be too smug about this, you may just have been played by somebody that actually knew more than you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Suzuki makes a pretty compelling case here and note that one piece CERN got gagged for was the critical element in this.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
The Washington Post is still too spineless to call it torture.
I have a US "Green Card". I had to fill out about 27 forms and the last three required me to print my name in block letters, one letter per square. Being British I have of course impeccable printing.
All the correspondence had my name spelled correctly but when I got the card - my name was spelled incorrectly.
"It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for" - Will Rogers.
That's like saying we should equally worry about the guys that say 2+2 = 4 and the guys that say 2+2 = 7.
You're thinking about pollution, not climate. Noting emits CO2 on it's own.
People say "we're working on our carbon footprint" really mean "we're trying to pollute less, but for now we'll keep in doing it".
http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/i...
Darwin.
Copernicus.
97%.
"97%+ of geologists agreed the continents were stable. It was Settled Science. Hundreds of research papers supported it. Overwhelming consensus. And wrong. And, oddly (not really, if you think about it a moment), it was not a geologist but a meteorologist, Alfred Wegener, who ultimately showed all the mutually agreeing geologists they had it all wrong; the continents move." - Michael K. Oliver
Just because it's claimed to be settled science doesn't mean it's true. Never confuse truth for consensus.
Here's a picture of the temperature "slowly going up"
http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/i...
"97%+ of geologists agreed the continents were stable. It was Settled Science. Hundreds of research papers supported it. Overwhelming consensus. And wrong. And, oddly (not really, if you think about it a moment), it was not a geologist but a meteorologist, Alfred Wegener, who ultimately showed all the mutually agreeing geologists they had it all wrong; the continents move." - Michael K. Oliver
Um, about that Ozone thing.
DuPont many factors that crisis. HFCF's that replaced CFC's are 98% as harmful.
DuPont got paid to reclaim all the CFCs, make the HCHC's and make all the gear for both.
Funny how that 2% made all the difference in the world.
"We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now..." .' Now Lovelock is walking back his rhetoric, admitting that he and other prominent global warming advocates were being alarmists. In a new interview with MSNBC he says: '"The problem is we don't know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books — mine included — because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn't happened," Lovelock said. "The climate is doing its usual tricks. There's nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now," he said. "The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that," he added.' Lovelock still believes the climate is changing, but at a much, much slower pace."
'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com...
True. But you get the point.
Not the first typo I've ever made. And it won't be the last. But you got the point.
How about the 75% divergence between the 2007 IPCC predictions and the 2012 IPCC measurements.
Can you explain those?
No water is the key.
Plants adapt to higher temperatures. That's why they grow better in the tropics.
Are you aware all plant life on earth is carbon limited and that CO2 used to be 7000ppm?
http://www.economist.com/news/...
Here's a paper that says unless we have more CO2 we're not going to be able to grow enough food to feed the world in the future:
http://www.liebertpub.com/MCon...
All plants have a temperature range they're happy in. Irelands used to grow wheat, but when it cold colder and wetter they switch to potatoes. The kind of temperature increases being talked about (that didn't happen) aren't going to affect anything.
Water matters more. And it's known when you cut down all the trees, rain sorta stops - think of trees as hydraulic pumps that squite water into the air from the ground and you'd not be too wrong.
We've killed half the trees in the last 100 years.
Is there a chance AGW is a smoke screen for that?
AGW has also attenuated discussion of pollution, any chance AGW is a smokescreen for that?
http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/i...
Co2 keeps going up, but temperatures haven't risen as projected. Does that mean mother nature is wrong or the IPCC model is? Pick one.
http://www.economist.com/news/...
Please go on about fruits that require cold. Which ones?
Why do they require it?