I suppose the irony of your own sigfile is lost on you. Please look into the ITU's track record with respect to the Internet before you make such utterly dangerous and uninformed stsatements. I do not wish to sound heavy handed, jerklike or alarmist here but they are the last organization you want within a mile of anything to do with Internet policy.
The fact they want it is reason enough to be suspicous. They've been trying for 10 years to get it. Google, as always, knows all.
"And, as an engineer myself I don't agree that a body composed entirely of engineers is necessarily the right one to administer a global communications infrastructure with ramifications that extend far beyond merely getting packets from here to there. Maybe it would be... if it could be kept free of political and corporate influence"
Soyou think that's worth a shot? Or do you think it's better to have the ststua quo or coirporate America's intellectual property attornies continue their capture of what was supposed to be a membership organization by government decree?
"The UN would do well to take over the duties of the IANA and the ICANN. And again this is because it would give poorer nations more just representation in these policies."
Pardon me but before you do that could we please frist try to give US citizenry (I'm Canadian) a voice in those policies before we do that?
The documents that defined the creation of ICANN mandated that it be a mebership organization and despite one horrbly flawed attempt at voting, they still are not. The IP interests who have captures the organization do not want this. It's their baby, not yours.
"If anyone is to be given control over the Internet, the ITU is probably the most appropriate organization."
AIIEEEEEEEEE!!
I wouldn't expect you to, but you obviously don't know anything about the ITU or it's recent history with the domain name system.
For a background on how bad and anti-internet spirit the ITU is, read Carl Malamud's "Exploring the Internet". In a nutshell, the ITU came very close to making the Interent illegal. It was only the forsight of then general counsel Tony Rutkowski that this was averted and is now safe by international treaty.
Despite ICANN's claims they're open and transparent, they are absolutely not and the wost of this is the "government advisory board" that meets in secret. The ITU was instrumental in this and sits on it. In fact the ITU, seeking relevance in an internat age that makes it largely irrelevant was part of the shadowy crew that secrtetly orchestrated the origin of ICANN (when Ira Magaziners public spin was "hey you folks are in charge" while all time workig behind the scenes with IBM to create the ICANN we have now), and worse, it's evil predecessor, IAHC, an organization so awful even the US govt recognized it and shut it down. IHAC was formed by Don Heath of the Internet Society, Bob Shaw (who STILL owes me money and my wife a carton of smokes he nicked one night in Geneva when he was drunk and bragging about all this) and Albert Tramposch of the World Intellectual Property Association based on an idea they had when they met in Ottawa.
At the time Bob was a PC support droid there, and his only achievent was how to write X.400 addresses opn business cards. I am not making this up - it's as if a LAN administrator at the White House was involved in setting global policy.
I have never met a less honorable, more two faced man, ever.
ICANN or ITU is a trick question. The US congress will NEVER let administration of domain names and IP addresses leave US soil. I would stake my life and the lives of my children on this. It was crtated in the US and will stay there. (I'm in Canada and will stay here)
So having to choose between these too evils is a bad joke. The ITU will never get is, and ICANN, a $50M a year bloted organization that is a great sucking magent attracting every intellectual property wonk in the US into it's guts replaced John Postel who did this as a part time task. Jon measured consensus and set policy. ICANN is supposed to do the same but is in reality a tool now for intellectual property interests.
It's always bugged me that the/. crowd, who are rightly and naturally suspicious of the IP wonks never got this.
The ITU wants this and is using the UN to get it. This waythey can establish global laws governing the Internet. But, you seem you own your network and I own my part and we can talk like this because we all agree to use the TCP/IP protocol suite (that the ITU fought hard against infavour of OSI which never actually worked) - in other words, the Internet is a "network of networks" all privately owned, and we need global laws to regulate this?
As for ICANN's $50M budget to administer the list of top level domnains this is less work than administerng the list of all usenet newsgroups. And in fact the parellels between the list of newsgroups and list of tlds is strikingly similar.
But ask yourself what the difference is between the administration of those two lists of names. And ask why anyorganizatin than can do one is not doing the other as well.
Pardon me while I go and quetly cry in the corner; I'm glad I was able to be there that day in Berlin when the US government sold out the Internet.
Primary the root zone for yourself. I don't care whose root zone you use, but stop the sucking dependance on USG run servers to control your namespace.
Make light of his death or bring it up for discussion? Oddly my submission of the death of "the only reporter in the 20th century to tell the truth" as a store here was rejected by some infantile swine.
Make no mistake. I'm a fan. I'm the asshole who went to see one of his rare utterly brilliant public performances in Long Beach on April 5 1989, risked being thrown out by taking pictures, tape recorded it, transcribed it and posted it all to usenet.
I think it was at a club called the Golden Bear, but hey, if you can rememeber where you saw HST you wern't really there.
If you think he wouln't like being talked about like this then you don't know him at all. By his own words:
{Guy in audience} What would you like people to remember you by ?
"I actually went looking for a printer recently; I was leaning toward laser, even if black-and-white, until I saw the size of those things. There's no way I could have fit one of those into this Japanese cubicle-sized apartment . .."
Dude, you were in the wrong store. What you were looking at was a "car". Laser printers are in aisle six.
Same here. On my wifes xmas list was the item "ink" meaning "$80 and I can print again". Problem as I saw it was here printer, despite being only a few years old was clunky, slow and made shite printouts. So for only $20 more I bought her a new printer that also scans, is fast, makes fookin superb photo printouts and came with FULL ink.
Not even friggin close. I keep looking for cheap sources for these and the last time I looked on ebay some moron paid over retail for a lot of 80 cartridges. WTF?
You want an invoice? Go this this url and click print sir. I'm not wasting an envelope and stamp just to get some ink onto paper on your desk.
I buy a 3x3 stack of notepaper every xmas and that's my years supply of paper.
I went paper-free in 94. The web is my printer. It did take me a couple of years to get used to it, but it's worth the effot IMO and once you are used to it printing anything is just inconceivable.
I can send and recive faxes from my computer, which I do MAYBE once a year.
Copyright is not available merely to "any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery," but Lexmark's use falls exclusively on the idea side of the fence. "[I]nteroperable devices" may use proprietary security systems to lock out unauthorized interoperability, but a technology developed solely for this functional purpose is not copyrightable.
Hey I can beat that. I live way out in the country near a small villiage. The villiage idiot also happened (past tense) to be "the computer guy". I know people that took in a (legitimate) W98 box for some minor problem, like the mouse dosn't always work right (needs cleaning) and as a matter of course he would format the drive and install XP.
That's all he would do Format the drive and install (a bootleg copy of) XP.
No warning. No backup. Wadda ya mean you had files on there you wanted?
But, he beat his wife half to death in an alcoholic rage and moved out to the praries. Now the villiage nexus of all things computing is the pawn shop. And oddly enough they're competant.
I love small towns. You can't buy this kind of entertainment anywhere.
Holy timewarp Batman. It's 1989 again and nslookup almsot works!
Meanwhile on real computers:
Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing.
"Dig is your friend" - Paul Vixie
(never mind there are problems in that bind9 only works with the dig in bind9. Interoperability anyone?
"BIND has the same problem as Windows. The damn thing just deosn't work." - Dan Bernstein
"We know all about biodesel. And it's simply not worth it for us to use our current farming methods to make it, because we wind up spending more gas to harvest than we get from the plants."
" Meth labs are common place in the area and meth junkies are prevalent everywhere. The drug has reached epidemic proportions there and I'm amazed google hasn't taken that into considering when deciding where the facility should be located."
What makes you think they haven't? Think of it not as crystal meth think of it as a "productivity enhancing suppliment". Work with me here on this ok?
" CEOs such as Phillipe Kahn have lost there jobs over this sort of thing."
Show up in Oregon with a California license plate and you may lose more than your job. Change plates at the state line and lose the accent, a few teeth and put on a plaid shirt, real quick like.
"Sometimes the distinction between "paranormal" and science is a bit like the distinction between magic and technology-- which is to say, it's the not-understood version. Take any given "paranormal" phenomenon, prove it exists, and make up terminology with official-sounding latin roots, and suddenly it's science. Take a well-known scientific phenomenon, talk about it in metaphorical terms, and it's paranormal pseudo-science again."
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I suppose the irony of your own sigfile is lost on you. Please look into the ITU's track record with respect to the Internet before you make such utterly dangerous and uninformed stsatements. I do not wish to sound heavy handed, jerklike or alarmist here but they are the last organization you want within a mile of anything to do with Internet policy.
The fact they want it is reason enough to be suspicous. They've been trying for 10 years to get it. Google, as always, knows all.
COMMON SENSE FOUND ON SLASHDOT. MPEGS AT ELEVEN.
... if it could be kept free of political and corporate influence"
"And, as an engineer myself I don't agree that a body composed entirely of engineers is necessarily the right one to administer a global communications infrastructure with ramifications that extend far beyond merely getting packets from here to there. Maybe it would be
Soyou think that's worth a shot? Or do you think it's better to have the ststua quo or coirporate America's intellectual property attornies continue their capture of what was supposed to be a membership organization by government decree?
"The UN would do well to take over the duties of the IANA and the ICANN. And again this is because it would give poorer nations more just representation in these policies."
Pardon me but before you do that could we please frist try to give US citizenry (I'm Canadian) a voice in those policies before we do that?
The documents that defined the creation of ICANN mandated that it be a mebership organization and despite one horrbly flawed attempt at voting, they still are not. The IP interests who have captures the organization do not want this. It's their baby, not yours.
I'd be pissed if I were you.
"If anyone is to be given control over the Internet, the ITU is probably the most appropriate organization."
AIIEEEEEEEEE!!
I wouldn't expect you to, but you obviously don't know anything about the ITU or it's recent history with the domain name system.
For a background on how bad and anti-internet spirit the ITU is, read Carl Malamud's "Exploring the Internet". In a nutshell, the ITU came very close to making the Interent illegal. It was only the forsight of then general counsel Tony Rutkowski that this was averted and is now safe by international treaty.
Despite ICANN's claims they're open and transparent, they are absolutely not and the wost of this is the "government advisory board" that meets in secret. The ITU was instrumental in this and sits on it. In fact the ITU, seeking relevance
in an internat age that makes it largely irrelevant was part of the shadowy crew that secrtetly orchestrated the origin of ICANN (when Ira Magaziners public spin was "hey you folks are in charge" while all time workig behind the scenes with IBM to create the ICANN we have now), and worse, it's evil predecessor, IAHC, an organization so awful even the US govt recognized it and shut it down. IHAC was formed by Don Heath of the Internet Society, Bob Shaw (who STILL owes me money and my wife a carton of smokes he nicked one night in Geneva when he was drunk and bragging about all this) and Albert Tramposch of the World Intellectual Property Association based on an idea they had when they met in Ottawa.
At the time Bob was a PC support droid there, and his only achievent was how to write X.400 addresses opn business cards. I am not making this up - it's as if a LAN administrator at the White House was involved in setting global policy.
I have never met a less honorable, more two faced man, ever.
ICANN or ITU is a trick question. The US congress will NEVER let administration of domain names and IP addresses leave US soil. I would stake my life and the lives of my children on this. It was crtated in the US and will stay there. (I'm in Canada and will stay here)
So having to choose between these too evils is a bad joke. The ITU will never get is, and ICANN, a $50M a year bloted organization that is a great sucking magent attracting every intellectual property wonk in the US into it's guts replaced John Postel who did this as a part time task. Jon measured consensus and set policy. ICANN is supposed to do the same but is in reality a tool now for intellectual property interests.
It's always bugged me that the/. crowd, who are rightly and naturally suspicious of the IP wonks never got this.
The ITU wants this and is using the UN to get it. This waythey can establish global laws governing the Internet. But, you seem you own your network and I own my part and we can talk like this because we all agree to use the TCP/IP protocol suite (that the ITU fought hard against infavour of OSI which never actually worked) - in other words, the Internet is a "network of networks" all privately owned, and we need global laws to regulate this?
As for ICANN's $50M budget to administer the list of top level domnains this is less work than administerng the list of all usenet newsgroups. And in fact the parellels between the list of newsgroups and list of tlds is strikingly similar.
But ask yourself what the difference is between the administration of those two lists of names. And ask why anyorganizatin than can do one is not doing the other as well.
Pardon me while I go and quetly cry in the corner; I'm glad I was able to be there that day in Berlin when the US government sold out the Internet.
Primary the root zone for yourself. I don't care whose root zone you use, but stop the sucking dependance on USG run servers to control your namespace.
"Not to be mean or anything but how was he a great human being?"
He walked with the Kings.
Make no mistake. I'm a fan. I'm the asshole who went to see one of his rare utterly brilliant public performances in Long Beach on April 5 1989, risked being thrown out by taking pictures, tape recorded it, transcribed it and posted it all to usenet.
I think it was at a club called the Golden Bear, but hey, if you can rememeber where you saw HST you wern't really there.
If you think he wouln't like being talked about like this then you don't know him at all. By his own words:
Sadly I fear part 1 is lost.
http://ctr.vrx.net/hst/
"Chew on that gibberish for a while you heartless scum" - HST.
Day one of an HST-less world was a cold, dark and ugly place. Godspeed you savage twisted motherfucker.
"Both"
Well that explains the reading glasses.
"I actually went looking for a printer recently; I was leaning toward laser, even if black-and-white, until I saw the size of those things. There's no way I could have fit one of those into this Japanese cubicle-sized apartment . . ."
Dude, you were in the wrong store. What you were looking at was a "car". Laser printers are in aisle six.
Same here. On my wifes xmas list was the item "ink" meaning "$80 and I can print again". Problem as I saw it was here printer, despite being only a few years old was clunky, slow and made shite printouts. So for only $20 more I bought her a new printer that also scans, is fast, makes fookin superb photo printouts and came with FULL ink.
Boggle.
Not even friggin close. I keep looking for cheap sources for these and the last time I looked on ebay some moron paid over retail for a lot of 80 cartridges. WTF?
Amen brother.
I don't do paper. No printer. No paper. No ink.
You want an invoice? Go this this url and click print sir. I'm not wasting an envelope and stamp just to get some ink onto paper on your desk.
I buy a 3x3 stack of notepaper every xmas and that's my years supply of paper.
I went paper-free in 94. The web is my printer.
It did take me a couple of years to get used to it, but it's worth the effot IMO and once you are used to it printing anything is just inconceivable.
I can send and recive faxes from my computer, which I do MAYBE once a year.
Go to this URL and click print, sir.
"What happened to the old days when the customer was king and great customer service was the way to do business."
Is it just me or are we not getting what we paid for much more often in the past 5-10 years?
(or am I just becoming a grumpy old man, ie my father)
(IANAL)
"They'll turn the lights off."
Nah, that's not it. When Hunter Thompson shot himself in the head last night the bullet kept going and hit a really unfortunate piece of equipment.
Hey I can beat that. I live way out in the country near a small villiage. The villiage idiot also happened (past tense) to be "the computer guy". I know people that took in a (legitimate) W98 box for some minor problem, like the mouse dosn't always work right (needs cleaning) and as a matter of course he would format the drive and install XP.
That's all he would do Format the drive and install (a bootleg copy of) XP.
No warning. No backup. Wadda ya mean you had files on there you wanted?
But, he beat his wife half to death in an alcoholic rage and moved out to the praries. Now the villiage nexus of all things computing is the pawn shop. And oddly enough they're competant.
I love small towns. You can't buy this kind of entertainment anywhere.
Holy timewarp Batman. It's 1989 again and nslookup almsot works!
Meanwhile on real computers:
"Dig is your friend" - Paul Vixie
(never mind there are problems in that bind9 only works with the dig in bind9. Interoperability anyone?
"BIND has the same problem as Windows. The damn thing just deosn't work." - Dan Bernstein
"Like when one of the recent upgrades to OSX caused all our macs to lose the ability to print on the network. There are plenty of problems with it"
Paper is sooooooo 80's.
" but that's lesbo potsmoking terrorist homosexual communism."
Mpegs?
Bah. If these were any good they'd be slashdotted.
That's one of the coolest things I've seen on the web in ages. Very impressive. I can think of 1000 things to do with this.
5 of them have nothing to do with nekkid women, too.
"We know all about biodesel. And it's simply not worth it for us to use our current farming methods to make it, because we wind up spending more gas to harvest than we get from the plants."
So use horses.
" Meth labs are common place in the area and meth junkies are prevalent everywhere. The drug has reached epidemic proportions there and I'm amazed google hasn't taken that into considering when deciding where the facility should be located."
What makes you think they haven't? Think of it not as crystal meth think of it as a "productivity enhancing suppliment". Work with me here on this ok?
" CEOs such as Phillipe Kahn have lost there jobs over this sort of thing."
Show up in Oregon with a California license plate and you may lose more than your job. Change plates at the state line and lose the accent, a few teeth and put on a plaid shirt, real quick like.
"The human mind really is a fascinating thing."
Only when it works. When it doesn't it's called accounting.
"Sometimes the distinction between "paranormal" and science is a bit like the distinction between magic and technology-- which is to say, it's the not-understood version. Take any given "paranormal" phenomenon, prove it exists, and make up terminology with official-sounding latin roots, and suddenly it's science. Take a well-known scientific phenomenon, talk about it in metaphorical terms, and it's paranormal pseudo-science again."
Thank you Mr. Clarke.