Various linux distributions are pretty much application compatible. It's mainly just the packaging and the configuration tools that make two distributions look differently and maybe one or two specific drivers.
You're glossing over a pretty big detail here. Pretty much compatable != compatiable. How many projects work on RH, only to be discovered that, opps, it doesn't install right or compile properly on Deb? How about a distro that only installs KDE by default, but not Gnome? Are those helpful to the end user? Ya, you can make it work... just like you can port Java to.Net, and visa versa.
Silverlight vs. Flash or.NET vs. Java is something completely different. Those are competing technologies, incompatible with each other, and also not available on the same platforms (Flash & Java pretty much everywhere,.NET and Silverlight only where Microsoft sees fit).
I would say the incompatibilities are the benefit of competition. If both sides are totally compatable, what's the point of choosing one over the other? Ya, you can switch easier, but neither has any really good features that are compelling when choosing one. So Sun and MS think of features to add that the other side doesn't have, thus improving their product. Java (supposedly) works on any major platform;.Net has features like explicit interface definitions, delegates, eventing built in, etc. Java has checked exceptions, cross platform capability, dynamic class loading, etc. Eventually (I hope) each side will incorproate some of their competitors features, thus pushing Sun and MS to think up new features.
Don't kid yourself - the reasoning behind Silverlight has nothing to do with Microsoft striving to make the Web a better place. It's all about gaining more control of a medium they never had much to say with (apart from the dominance of the IE, which is now being chewed at by Mozilla/Firefox)
Well, AMD isn't stiving to make the CPU world a better place, they are trying to beat Intel. AMD would love to get all of Intel's marketshare, I'm sure, and Intel feels the same way. What exactly is wrong with that?
Heh. When the number of Linux distributions is critisized, it's good to have competition, because no one distro can fill everyone's needs. Yet when MS puts out a competitor to Java, and now Flash, it's "why do we need more than one?"
Well, last I heard Flash can't do HD streaming. From my point of view, why would I use Silverlight 2.0? Because I'll be able to build a SL application exactly as I already build Windows or Asp.Net applications. Same tools, same languages and most of the same library (SL will use a subset).
Also, SL is supposed to be cross platform. We'll have to see, but SL 2 is supposed to be a huge step forward.
Personally, from what I know of Flash is that it's a scripted OO hacked together language. No thanks. That's why i'm not even bothering with SL 1, because it requires using Javascript, also a bad hack of a scripted OO language. Bleck.
My areas of interest in computing are supercomputing, CPR, and (more recently) virtualization. Windows does not give me the kind of power as a developer that I need to pursue my research in those areas. After a brief flirtation with Solaris when I was in high school (the school had a Sun server), I moved to Linux full time and haven't looked back.
So you've never really used Windows then (the NT line.. 2000 or higher)? I've found lots of people say Windows is for morons or its overly simply. The fact is that it's complex, and much of the complexity is hidden. But its there if you really need to dig in. Given that I've seen many comments about virtualization and supercomputing that mirror yours, I'm not suprised that Windows doesn't fit your needs. I would check back now and then though (maybe now, because Server 2008 is out), because MS is trying to move into these areas. I've found that they usually succeed; not on the first or second attempts, but they have a good record. I know.. that's not what most/.ers will say.
We set up all kinds of systems, in all kinds of offices (including home offices), but most of them are not centrally managed, and in many of them- especially former Mac shops- the users have a tremendous degree of latitude in what they do and how they do it. You are absolutely right that the comparison between a large corporate desktop and a standard home machine is pretty much apples and oranges, but our installs on a lot of machines are basically stock Ubuntu, Mint, or (if requested) Fedora. Nobody seems to have a big problem, and in fact many people only notice that the background has changed and that the start button is in a different place. After that, most don't *seem* to care, although of course they know me as 'the Linux guy', and people aren't usually in a hurry to criticize others' livelihoods. Again, however, I have no data with which to back up my claims, so it could just be my admittedly biased perception.
Fair enough. I never had any kind of training on Linux. A bit of "training" on Unix and the Unix philosophy in college though. At first I liked the unix philosophy. But for some reason that seems to translate into "make console app, if you want a UI, build a UI that calls the console app and parses it's output." Yuck. Good Windows develops actually do have a similar philosophy, but they'll build a library and a console app or UI will use the same library. Larger OSS projects do this as well.. but I found many of the other OSS apps didn't.
Maybe my problem was that I was inbetween a "real" systems admin and home user. Neither expert nor dummy.
The only devices I've had real problems with on Linux- besides really strange things like one-off industrial controllers- are blackberries. They really just don't work the way they're supposed to, although the Barry project tries really hard. Besides that, most hardware does work now, and again, I have nothing but anecdotes to hand you.
Fair enough; we're both going off anecdote at this point. I have seen that wireless is still a bit crap shoot as are printers. Not that printing is wonder in XP, although Vista seems to work flawlessly. I haven't had any printer problems in Vista.
Well, its not the lockout issues I was commenting on so much as security, since/home is frequently scanned by UID 0 processes and UID 0 access is badly handled by NFS, leading to serious security issues- but then I'm the guy who includes TEMPEST scanning as part of a security audit. The better solution would probably have been SSHFS overmounting a known safe/home on the local machine. It probably would have spared you a lot of headaches and would definitely have been more secure. It is also *far* easier to set up, since it requires less in the way of cooperation from your server. Another possible route (and much more comparable to Windows' group policy) would have been rsync, which is quite easy to set up.
Ya, because I'm going to believe that after your other inconsistencies. You should look at who is marking who a foe adn then following them around on/. If you never responded again, that would be the end of it. Of course, this will be the end of it too, because you'll never admit you or your parents are wrong, or that you're an arrogant ass that looks down at people, believing yourself above others. So I see no point in continuing. I'm fine with knowing I'm right, and you're full of shit.
How am I supposed to show you that this would have been a normal, run-of-the-mill, properly executed pass had some idiot not passed on the right, encouraging others to do the same?
Well, my premise is that if you ARE passed on the right, then you didn't return to the right lane in a reasonable amount of time. That's my reasoning here. You don't need a car length's room; half of that is fine.
People on the road are sheep
There's that arrogance again. I'm not saying other drivers are prefect, but to you all other drivers are so far beneath you.
You say the law says you can't interfere with the normal flow of traffic, right? This wasn't the normal flow of traffic so I had every right to "interfere" and correct it.
If the road really wasn't busy, as you say, it would have corrected itself without your intervention. Being responsible means knowing when to act, and when you should not act. Besides your interference probably made things worse.
You see, what happens is more and more cars build up in the left lane because they all want to pass. At some point, its not clear what the problem is, so cars start passing on the right until they catch up with the people causing the problem; the other slow car and the person taking too long in the left lane. So now you have people passing on the right, cutting to the left, cutting to the right again, and potentially cutting back again to the right... all because someone took long to move out of the left lane. Notice that the car taking too long need not even be cut off, but they are still creating a problem behind them.
Do you know what "average" even is? By definition, something or someone has to be above average.
Yes, and statistically speaking, it's not going to be you. This is a big problem in America today. You view all or most other drivers as beneath you, and you're one of the "few" good drivers. It's a delusion and it's dangerous. The fact is most drivers are sane and reasonable. Few run red lights, few drive drunk, few drive totally without regard do others. If you do drive like that, you're also driving without regard for yourself, since you're just as likely to be in an accident. Fortunately, most don't.
By the way, your logic is the same as those that wish to keep speed limits in place. That without rules and confinment, people will start destroying each other. That attitude is very antithical to the concept of freedom on which this country was founded. I hate to use a cliche, but we're "letting a few bad apples spoil the bunch." Of course the result of this logic is what we have today; government setting limits lower than they should be according to sound civil engineering, resulting in higher accident rates, in the name of generating revenue for insurance companies (that raise premiums on you if you get a ticket... even if you've never been in an accident of your own fault) and government, which typically uses these funds to get more police and fancy equipment to catch more speeders.
If you want hard numbers, look somewhere else. Numbers are anything but hard. Some people consider a highway to be busy if they see 5 cars on it, others consider it busy of they see 50.
Well, from your description, lets say that there was five miles of highway, two lanes. There were apparently enough cars that your parents had a good chance of not being able to move back and forth between lanes easily. That's busy by anyones standards, whether here in Vermont or back where I grew up in Philly.
Please just read what others have said. They understand what happened. If you still don't understand what happened, you clearly never will.
You say they understand because they agree with you in some way. As I see it, they aren't really thinking about the sitution you describe, or the contradictions your posts raise.
You really don't get it do you? The GPP said we should keep the embargo to force Castro to step down; my post was meant to say that it didn't work. Your post proved the exact point I was making, that he was stepping down because he's old and sick, not because of anything the embargo did.
You're not pushing any buttons; its pretty funny that I say you're acting childish, and what do you do? Go around acting like a bigger child. People have marked me as foe before, never has anyone felt the need to "follow" me on/. Guess I can't expect much from someone that obviously still lives in his parents basement. Have a nice life. Try to get some fresh air.
Hmm.. that goes with my experience, that basements are a more northern kind of thing. It seems that many houses in the NE have basements, but I don't think I've seen one in FL. I thought maybe it was a cultural difference between north and south. Every home I've lived in has had one.
I didn't leave in his target area, at least I'm not sure. I think he sent a bomb to someone in Philly once.. anyway, that's beside the point. Was anyone not coming out of their houses because of him? (Doing some reading, I was close; he sent a bomb to someone in NJ, not far from Philly.)
Personally, I'd be more worried with an actual person trying to enter through this system than someone bombing me through it.
I am looking at it objectively. I don't entirely disagree with your point either, which is that context should be taken into account. However, in contract law, I think you pretty much end up looking at just want the contract says, not what a supplemental faq says.
As you point out, the GPL is a distribution license; it only applies when you distibute the software. So unless your friend gives you a copy of the binaries (which he would then have to include a copy of the "offer for source"), they aren't obligated to give you the source. That's my reading of the GPL itself.
I good exercise would be to see if V3 changes the wording on this to make it more clear; if it does, I'd say it's because they reconize the "hole" they allowed with V2.
Well.. these posts are getting a bit long for me.:-)
I understand your experience differs, and that's fine as you said. However, a couple of things. Did you learn much of what you needed for Linux because you have a job doing so? I'm certainly not afraid of Linux by any means. Its just that its more difficult to learn. I do fine with shells and what not, after all I used Unix all through my five year college program. That's when I first came into contact with Linux as well. "Unix on my PC, awesome!" But a normal user won't be able to just sit down and be able to muddle their way through. If I had a hard time, I don't think a home user on their own would do much better.
Your user experience is limited (it seems) to business users. That's fine as I said, but I don't think that the experience a business user of linux (who likely doesn't manage the computer they use in any way) translates to a home user well (because they have to "manage" the system themselves).
In that sense, market share IS important, because home users also add hardware to their PC. You can't just buy anything and assume it will work on Linux.
As far as/home being on an NFS mount; I think that was recommended when I first setup my server. At any rate, the idea was to keep user data on the server. I understand WHY everything locked up, but it didn't lead to a great experience. Contrast this to Windows; a few group policy settings (which affect more than the location of user documents) and user files and settings are stored on the server. With Windows, its smart enough to use the local store and sync later. No configuration needed.
Regarding the "security implications" arguement, I fail to see why advanced or dangerous options should be "hard" to do or only done through a text editor. When setting a group policy setting, there are warnings if need be on the page where I sent the option, and there's always an Explain tab, which details all options and what they mean. Help on Linux sucks. Man pages tell you an option, but rarely do more than say "enables or disables the option." There is MUCH better documentation on Windows than Linux.. and that's sad. Back to the "for experts by experts," well, it really sucks if you're just beginning and need to get something done. In Windows, I can be handheld until I learn more about what I need to do.. then I can do it using another tool or diving into the registry or what have you. With Linux, it was like "you can't do that until you're an expert." So.. how do I learn if I can't get started? That attitude needs to go..remember, I am a developer, and I have done some Linux and Windows administration (I even did a sort of a minor in systems admin which covered both.. and Linux was easier because I had already started learning it years before on my own).
I know I've moved to Linux, but the problem is worse with other OS software. A few projects have enough attention that they are good quality. Most (like GNUCash) don't have that. Quality may be there, but usability won't be. Or usability will be there, but quality won't. Or you just flat can't get the software installed. The OS software you've been pointing to are exceptions, not the rule, at least that's what I've found. There is something to be said for being able to go to BestBuy or Amazon and see the software I want there; at the very least, I know a good number of people are using it. With many OS applications, that metric is missing.
I appreciate the offer to help with Kopete, but the problems were a few years ago now. I went back to Windows full time in 06. I'm happy, Windows does what I want, and contrary to other posters here is reliable. As for the printer, I don't think that's ever been addressed. Notice one of the "helpful" posts is to throw the machine way and buy an HP.
I understand you like Ubuntu, but that's part of my skeptism now. First it was Slack, then
1. If the highway was busy, why couldn't your parents wait until the other cars passed them? Also, you indicated that SOME cars did manage to pass before you interfered, and others would have if you didn't. So, how many cars need be on the road for you to consider it "busy?" 2. Most people are fine at driving. Some are inconsiderate, others do suck. Of course in your arrogance you think you and your parents somehow are above average. You're not, by definition. 3. My point still stands; they didn't have experience that trailer. The fact that they pulled others doesn't change anything, since they still lacked the experience to know it was safe to move over sooner. 4. Really? Then why were there cars which did pass your parents on the right, and more that WOULD have if you had not interfered? Sounds like quite a number of cars were behind them wanting to get by. Yet you claim the road wasn't "busy?" 5. You can't, becuase you're not placing any of the blame on you and your parents. You believe what you did was totally right, even though you and your parents likely broke the law.. particlular laws which are there for good reason. 6. Then why was there so many cars that would pass on the right if you did not interfer? 7. I thought the road wasn't busy?
So, it seems either your lying or your trying to focus on one point when it makes your case, or another when it doesn't.
If the road isn't busy then all of these are true 1) your parents could have stayed in the right lane behind the slower car until those behind them passed both them and the car in the lead, at which point your parents could then pass. 2) There would not be a number of cars that either did pass, or would have not for your interference 3) if you had not acted, the cars that wanted to pass would pass on the right, but at some point very soon, your parents WOULD have been able to return to the right lane.
Yet you claim that 1) if you parents didn't move to the left when they did, they would have been "stuck" behind the slow moving vehicle for the rest of the trip 2) there were enough cars that you felt would pass on the right that you had to BLOCK them. 3) that if you didn't block them, they would be stuck in the LEFT lane for the rest of the trip.
So please tell me a hard number; how many cars were there?
I seriously don't believe you understand the asshatery that goes on on the highway. People only do what gets them ahead with no concern for those around them.
Having driven around Philly for much of my life, I think I understand. However, what you're describing to me is the "asshattery" of someone that thinks they are more important than the many other cars on the road, and can screw up traffic flow and believe its 100% ok. If there were as many other cars wanting to pass so bad (likely because they were waiting a long time) your parents don't have a right to screw it up for a larger number of people.
Have you ever driven in a caravan? Caravan members "block" traffic all the time so they can stick together.
As I have said many times, "blocking" is wrong, and is certinaly illegal in most states. Please, go read traffic code. You can't interupt the normal flow of traffic, it's illegal and dangerous.
Finally, why do you want to believe what my parents and I did was so wrong?
Because interfering with the normal flow of traffic creates exteremly dangerous situtations and increases the risk of an accident. Your feel that the world should change to bend to what YOU want, irregardless of what other's want, and in opposition of human nature. The relevent traffic law here, fortunately, reconizes this and says you can't interfer with the normal flow of traffic. You and your parents are not more important than the others, and you certainly don't have a right to block a larger group of people from doing what they want, especially when doing so puts everyone at risk.
I'm not the one making irrational claims here. It is all you. You've made so many negative assumptions it is almost actually funny. I marked you "Foe" so I know you are either ~40 with the reasoning skills of a teenager or a teenager trying to pretend you know what you are talking about and can either ignore you or respond accordingly.
I don't think you'd know rational if it beat you over the head.
I don't care what fmobus says; he can interperate thing as he wants.
You also misrepresent pretty much everything I've said. You were the one that implied the highway was busy; if it was not, how did a number of other cars so quickly end up stuck behind your parents? I never said the other car was "slighly below the speed limit." I said nothing about its speed, other than if you're parents weren't experienced in pulling a trailer, they should have stayed behind that vehicle. If the road wasn't busy, they should have looked for the cars coming up behind and waited until they passes as well. However, given your description, you made it sound like if they didn't pass right now they wouldn't get the opperuntity to. Hence my conclusion the road was busy, re-enforced by the fact that multiple cars decided it was better to pass on the right than remain stuck behind your parents.
I never said your parents never speed; I've always discussed speed as relative to the other vehicles involved. As far as how fast your parents passed.. if they had done so in a reasonable amount of time, I doubt anyone would have bothered passing on the right. Here's where my experience comes in; if someone is slow to pass, they are typically slow to return to the right lane.. if they do so at all. Also, more of my experience: People pulling a trailer think they are going faster than they are. Without fail, every time someone with a trailer is in the left lane, they cause a backup and traffic flow problem. The bigger the trailer, the worse this problem becomes, which is why I personally think semis should be banned from the left most lane (or lanes, if its a really big highway) at all time, unless there's an exit on the left.
While I was moving, I had to block traffic with my car
See, you're admitting to blocking the flow of traffic. You interfered with the flow of traffic in addition to the intererence your parents caused. Blocking the flow of traffic is illegal in most states, I hope you realize. This has been my stance all along by the way, that your parents were interfering with the flow of traffic, which lead others to react. Everything else is explaining why they may have done so. You yourself said they didn't have any experience pulling a trailer.
You are obviously bad at having a rational argument. If you want to keep calling me names like a stupid school-ground bully, go ahead. It won't make you look less stupid.
Ha, that's rich. I said you were being irrational and acting like a child, which if you read your own posts you should see is true.. unless that's too uncomfortable to you. But I never called you names. I suggest you read your own posts to look for the insults.
Well, the FSF is entitled to their opinion. Also, the very next paragraph seems to contractict that. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter should it go to court. I have a feeling a court would not interperate the way they'd like.
Well, personally if a collect call appeared on my bill I'd dispute it. I would hope others do the same. If you can't be bothered to look at your bill, oh well.
There is no way in hell you've been driving for 25 years unless you aren't quite right in the brain.
Ya, believe whatever you want if that's what makes you feel better. I don't expect you to be rational in this discussion at all, you've shown right from the start you wouldn't be.
I think I see the problem here. You assumed you know my parents(you clearly don't), then you assumed they took their sweet time passing(they didn't), then you assumed my parents don't have experience pulling trailers(wrong again). No wonder you look like an ass.
According to YOUR standards you think they were passing in good time. Of course your standards are skewed to the fact that you believe your parents were in the right, and you're going to change your perceptions to make this preconceived notion. Of course nothing changes the fact that if you are passed on the right, you failed to return to the right lane in a timely manner. But go ahead, continue to be irrate, irrational and emotional. In typical babish manner, I noticed you marked me as a foe for disagreeing. Typical behavior, I'm afraid.
WTF? How is anyone supposed to get any experience? What happens when the people with experience die?
By driving, you act as if I said they shouldn't drive at all. I said they shouldn't have attempting passing with no experience hauling a trailer in busy traffic. As I said, there is a difference. Alternately, I'm sure there's driver training courses. I mean, we don't just let people drive semis by getting behind the wheel and heading out into heavy highway traffic with no prior experience. Perhaps we should include all forms of towing to receive training.
What do you do when you pass someone? Do you move back over right when your back bumper is ahead of their back bumper or do you give a little space?
Usually I wait until I see one headlight. However, I also use my experience and make a judgement call based on how quickly I passed the other car. If I overtoke the other vehicle quickly, I move over sooner too, knowing that the speed difference will ensure I don't hit the other car.
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Various linux distributions are pretty much application compatible. It's mainly just the packaging and the configuration tools that make two distributions look differently and maybe one or two specific drivers.
.Net, and visa versa.
.NET vs. Java is something completely different. Those are competing technologies, incompatible with each other, and also not available on the same platforms (Flash & Java pretty much everywhere, .NET and Silverlight only where Microsoft sees fit).
.Net has features like explicit interface definitions, delegates, eventing built in, etc. Java has checked exceptions, cross platform capability, dynamic class loading, etc. Eventually (I hope) each side will incorproate some of their competitors features, thus pushing Sun and MS to think up new features.
You're glossing over a pretty big detail here. Pretty much compatable != compatiable. How many projects work on RH, only to be discovered that, opps, it doesn't install right or compile properly on Deb? How about a distro that only installs KDE by default, but not Gnome? Are those helpful to the end user? Ya, you can make it work... just like you can port Java to
Silverlight vs. Flash or
I would say the incompatibilities are the benefit of competition. If both sides are totally compatable, what's the point of choosing one over the other? Ya, you can switch easier, but neither has any really good features that are compelling when choosing one. So Sun and MS think of features to add that the other side doesn't have, thus improving their product. Java (supposedly) works on any major platform;
Don't kid yourself - the reasoning behind Silverlight has nothing to do with Microsoft striving to make the Web a better place. It's all about gaining more control of a medium they never had much to say with (apart from the dominance of the IE, which is now being chewed at by Mozilla/Firefox)
Well, AMD isn't stiving to make the CPU world a better place, they are trying to beat Intel. AMD would love to get all of Intel's marketshare, I'm sure, and Intel feels the same way. What exactly is wrong with that?
Heh. When the number of Linux distributions is critisized, it's good to have competition, because no one distro can fill everyone's needs. Yet when MS puts out a competitor to Java, and now Flash, it's "why do we need more than one?"
Competition is good.
Well, last I heard Flash can't do HD streaming. From my point of view, why would I use Silverlight 2.0? Because I'll be able to build a SL application exactly as I already build Windows or Asp.Net applications. Same tools, same languages and most of the same library (SL will use a subset).
Also, SL is supposed to be cross platform. We'll have to see, but SL 2 is supposed to be a huge step forward.
Personally, from what I know of Flash is that it's a scripted OO hacked together language. No thanks. That's why i'm not even bothering with SL 1, because it requires using Javascript, also a bad hack of a scripted OO language. Bleck.
My areas of interest in computing are supercomputing, CPR, and (more recently) virtualization. Windows does not give me the kind of power as a developer that I need to pursue my research in those areas. After a brief flirtation with Solaris when I was in high school (the school had a Sun server), I moved to Linux full time and haven't looked back.
/.ers will say.
/home is frequently scanned by UID 0 processes and UID 0 access is badly handled by NFS, leading to serious security issues- but then I'm the guy who includes TEMPEST scanning as part of a security audit. The better solution would probably have been SSHFS overmounting a known safe /home on the local machine. It probably would have spared you a lot of headaches and would definitely have been more secure. It is also *far* easier to set up, since it requires less in the way of cooperation from your server. Another possible route (and much more comparable to Windows' group policy) would have been rsync, which is quite easy to set up.
So you've never really used Windows then (the NT line.. 2000 or higher)? I've found lots of people say Windows is for morons or its overly simply. The fact is that it's complex, and much of the complexity is hidden. But its there if you really need to dig in. Given that I've seen many comments about virtualization and supercomputing that mirror yours, I'm not suprised that Windows doesn't fit your needs. I would check back now and then though (maybe now, because Server 2008 is out), because MS is trying to move into these areas. I've found that they usually succeed; not on the first or second attempts, but they have a good record. I know.. that's not what most
We set up all kinds of systems, in all kinds of offices (including home offices), but most of them are not centrally managed, and in many of them- especially former Mac shops- the users have a tremendous degree of latitude in what they do and how they do it. You are absolutely right that the comparison between a large corporate desktop and a standard home machine is pretty much apples and oranges, but our installs on a lot of machines are basically stock Ubuntu, Mint, or (if requested) Fedora. Nobody seems to have a big problem, and in fact many people only notice that the background has changed and that the start button is in a different place. After that, most don't *seem* to care, although of course they know me as 'the Linux guy', and people aren't usually in a hurry to criticize others' livelihoods. Again, however, I have no data with which to back up my claims, so it could just be my admittedly biased perception.
Fair enough. I never had any kind of training on Linux. A bit of "training" on Unix and the Unix philosophy in college though. At first I liked the unix philosophy. But for some reason that seems to translate into "make console app, if you want a UI, build a UI that calls the console app and parses it's output." Yuck. Good Windows develops actually do have a similar philosophy, but they'll build a library and a console app or UI will use the same library. Larger OSS projects do this as well.. but I found many of the other OSS apps didn't.
Maybe my problem was that I was inbetween a "real" systems admin and home user. Neither expert nor dummy.
The only devices I've had real problems with on Linux- besides really strange things like one-off industrial controllers- are blackberries. They really just don't work the way they're supposed to, although the Barry project tries really hard. Besides that, most hardware does work now, and again, I have nothing but anecdotes to hand you.
Fair enough; we're both going off anecdote at this point. I have seen that wireless is still a bit crap shoot as are printers. Not that printing is wonder in XP, although Vista seems to work flawlessly. I haven't had any printer problems in Vista.
Well, its not the lockout issues I was commenting on so much as security, since
Ahh. Well I was
Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Although in FL I would think the land is too soft and you'd just end up with a flooded basement most of the time.
but it sounds like they want a 'cheap' solution, as if there were some 'magic' platform that was 'cheap to maintain' with easy-to-replace maintainers.
/.ers would call that Window? :-)
I thought
That's not the fault of Java, that's the fault of people building stuff with Java.
Ya, because I'm going to believe that after your other inconsistencies. You should look at who is marking who a foe adn then following them around on /. If you never responded again, that would be the end of it. Of course, this will be the end of it too, because you'll never admit you or your parents are wrong, or that you're an arrogant ass that looks down at people, believing yourself above others. So I see no point in continuing. I'm fine with knowing I'm right, and you're full of shit.
How am I supposed to show you that this would have been a normal, run-of-the-mill, properly executed pass had some idiot not passed on the right, encouraging others to do the same?
Well, my premise is that if you ARE passed on the right, then you didn't return to the right lane in a reasonable amount of time. That's my reasoning here. You don't need a car length's room; half of that is fine.
People on the road are sheep
There's that arrogance again. I'm not saying other drivers are prefect, but to you all other drivers are so far beneath you.
You say the law says you can't interfere with the normal flow of traffic, right? This wasn't the normal flow of traffic so I had every right to "interfere" and correct it.
If the road really wasn't busy, as you say, it would have corrected itself without your intervention. Being responsible means knowing when to act, and when you should not act. Besides your interference probably made things worse.
You see, what happens is more and more cars build up in the left lane because they all want to pass. At some point, its not clear what the problem is, so cars start passing on the right until they catch up with the people causing the problem; the other slow car and the person taking too long in the left lane. So now you have people passing on the right, cutting to the left, cutting to the right again, and potentially cutting back again to the right... all because someone took long to move out of the left lane. Notice that the car taking too long need not even be cut off, but they are still creating a problem behind them.
Do you know what "average" even is? By definition, something or someone has to be above average.
Yes, and statistically speaking, it's not going to be you. This is a big problem in America today. You view all or most other drivers as beneath you, and you're one of the "few" good drivers. It's a delusion and it's dangerous. The fact is most drivers are sane and reasonable. Few run red lights, few drive drunk, few drive totally without regard do others. If you do drive like that, you're also driving without regard for yourself, since you're just as likely to be in an accident. Fortunately, most don't.
By the way, your logic is the same as those that wish to keep speed limits in place. That without rules and confinment, people will start destroying each other. That attitude is very antithical to the concept of freedom on which this country was founded. I hate to use a cliche, but we're "letting a few bad apples spoil the bunch." Of course the result of this logic is what we have today; government setting limits lower than they should be according to sound civil engineering, resulting in higher accident rates, in the name of generating revenue for insurance companies (that raise premiums on you if you get a ticket... even if you've never been in an accident of your own fault) and government, which typically uses these funds to get more police and fancy equipment to catch more speeders.
If you want hard numbers, look somewhere else. Numbers are anything but hard. Some people consider a highway to be busy if they see 5 cars on it, others consider it busy of they see 50.
Well, from your description, lets say that there was five miles of highway, two lanes. There were apparently enough cars that your parents had a good chance of not being able to move back and forth between lanes easily. That's busy by anyones standards, whether here in Vermont or back where I grew up in Philly.
Please just read what others have said. They understand what happened. If you still don't understand what happened, you clearly never will.
You say they understand because they agree with you in some way. As I see it, they aren't really thinking about the sitution you describe, or the contradictions your posts raise.
You really don't get it do you? The GPP said we should keep the embargo to force Castro to step down; my post was meant to say that it didn't work. Your post proved the exact point I was making, that he was stepping down because he's old and sick, not because of anything the embargo did.
/. Guess I can't expect much from someone that obviously still lives in his parents basement. Have a nice life. Try to get some fresh air.
You're not pushing any buttons; its pretty funny that I say you're acting childish, and what do you do? Go around acting like a bigger child. People have marked me as foe before, never has anyone felt the need to "follow" me on
Hmm.. that goes with my experience, that basements are a more northern kind of thing. It seems that many houses in the NE have basements, but I don't think I've seen one in FL. I thought maybe it was a cultural difference between north and south. Every home I've lived in has had one.
I didn't leave in his target area, at least I'm not sure. I think he sent a bomb to someone in Philly once.. anyway, that's beside the point. Was anyone not coming out of their houses because of him? (Doing some reading, I was close; he sent a bomb to someone in NJ, not far from Philly.)
Personally, I'd be more worried with an actual person trying to enter through this system than someone bombing me through it.
Now you have to look at all my other posts because you can't make your point in the traffic story discussion?
News flash: He's not stepping down because of the embargo . Read the GPP.
I am looking at it objectively. I don't entirely disagree with your point either, which is that context should be taken into account. However, in contract law, I think you pretty much end up looking at just want the contract says, not what a supplemental faq says.
As you point out, the GPL is a distribution license; it only applies when you distibute the software. So unless your friend gives you a copy of the binaries (which he would then have to include a copy of the "offer for source"), they aren't obligated to give you the source. That's my reading of the GPL itself.
I good exercise would be to see if V3 changes the wording on this to make it more clear; if it does, I'd say it's because they reconize the "hole" they allowed with V2.
Well.. these posts are getting a bit long for me. :-)
/home being on an NFS mount; I think that was recommended when I first setup my server. At any rate, the idea was to keep user data on the server. I understand WHY everything locked up, but it didn't lead to a great experience. Contrast this to Windows; a few group policy settings (which affect more than the location of user documents) and user files and settings are stored on the server. With Windows, its smart enough to use the local store and sync later. No configuration needed.
I understand your experience differs, and that's fine as you said. However, a couple of things. Did you learn much of what you needed for Linux because you have a job doing so? I'm certainly not afraid of Linux by any means. Its just that its more difficult to learn. I do fine with shells and what not, after all I used Unix all through my five year college program. That's when I first came into contact with Linux as well. "Unix on my PC, awesome!" But a normal user won't be able to just sit down and be able to muddle their way through. If I had a hard time, I don't think a home user on their own would do much better.
Your user experience is limited (it seems) to business users. That's fine as I said, but I don't think that the experience a business user of linux (who likely doesn't manage the computer they use in any way) translates to a home user well (because they have to "manage" the system themselves).
In that sense, market share IS important, because home users also add hardware to their PC. You can't just buy anything and assume it will work on Linux.
As far as
Regarding the "security implications" arguement, I fail to see why advanced or dangerous options should be "hard" to do or only done through a text editor. When setting a group policy setting, there are warnings if need be on the page where I sent the option, and there's always an Explain tab, which details all options and what they mean. Help on Linux sucks. Man pages tell you an option, but rarely do more than say "enables or disables the option." There is MUCH better documentation on Windows than Linux.. and that's sad. Back to the "for experts by experts," well, it really sucks if you're just beginning and need to get something done. In Windows, I can be handheld until I learn more about what I need to do.. then I can do it using another tool or diving into the registry or what have you. With Linux, it was like "you can't do that until you're an expert." So.. how do I learn if I can't get started? That attitude needs to go..remember, I am a developer, and I have done some Linux and Windows administration (I even did a sort of a minor in systems admin which covered both.. and Linux was easier because I had already started learning it years before on my own).
I know I've moved to Linux, but the problem is worse with other OS software. A few projects have enough attention that they are good quality. Most (like GNUCash) don't have that. Quality may be there, but usability won't be. Or usability will be there, but quality won't. Or you just flat can't get the software installed. The OS software you've been pointing to are exceptions, not the rule, at least that's what I've found. There is something to be said for being able to go to BestBuy or Amazon and see the software I want there; at the very least, I know a good number of people are using it. With many OS applications, that metric is missing.
I appreciate the offer to help with Kopete, but the problems were a few years ago now. I went back to Windows full time in 06. I'm happy, Windows does what I want, and contrary to other posters here is reliable. As for the printer, I don't think that's ever been addressed. Notice one of the "helpful" posts is to throw the machine way and buy an HP.
I understand you like Ubuntu, but that's part of my skeptism now. First it was Slack, then
This may come as a shock to you, but in 1929 we already had bombs and such. How is this not any different than 1929?
Do you live in a southern state?
1. If the highway was busy, why couldn't your parents wait until the other cars passed them? Also, you indicated that SOME cars did manage to pass before you interfered, and others would have if you didn't. So, how many cars need be on the road for you to consider it "busy?"
2. Most people are fine at driving. Some are inconsiderate, others do suck. Of course in your arrogance you think you and your parents somehow are above average. You're not, by definition.
3. My point still stands; they didn't have experience that trailer. The fact that they pulled others doesn't change anything, since they still lacked the experience to know it was safe to move over sooner.
4. Really? Then why were there cars which did pass your parents on the right, and more that WOULD have if you had not interfered? Sounds like quite a number of cars were behind them wanting to get by. Yet you claim the road wasn't "busy?"
5. You can't, becuase you're not placing any of the blame on you and your parents. You believe what you did was totally right, even though you and your parents likely broke the law.. particlular laws which are there for good reason.
6. Then why was there so many cars that would pass on the right if you did not interfer?
7. I thought the road wasn't busy?
So, it seems either your lying or your trying to focus on one point when it makes your case, or another when it doesn't.
If the road isn't busy then all of these are true 1) your parents could have stayed in the right lane behind the slower car until those behind them passed both them and the car in the lead, at which point your parents could then pass. 2) There would not be a number of cars that either did pass, or would have not for your interference 3) if you had not acted, the cars that wanted to pass would pass on the right, but at some point very soon, your parents WOULD have been able to return to the right lane.
Yet you claim that 1) if you parents didn't move to the left when they did, they would have been "stuck" behind the slow moving vehicle for the rest of the trip 2) there were enough cars that you felt would pass on the right that you had to BLOCK them. 3) that if you didn't block them, they would be stuck in the LEFT lane for the rest of the trip.
So please tell me a hard number; how many cars were there?
I seriously don't believe you understand the asshatery that goes on on the highway. People only do what gets them ahead with no concern for those around them.
Having driven around Philly for much of my life, I think I understand. However, what you're describing to me is the "asshattery" of someone that thinks they are more important than the many other cars on the road, and can screw up traffic flow and believe its 100% ok. If there were as many other cars wanting to pass so bad (likely because they were waiting a long time) your parents don't have a right to screw it up for a larger number of people.
Have you ever driven in a caravan? Caravan members "block" traffic all the time so they can stick together.
As I have said many times, "blocking" is wrong, and is certinaly illegal in most states. Please, go read traffic code. You can't interupt the normal flow of traffic, it's illegal and dangerous.
Finally, why do you want to believe what my parents and I did was so wrong?
Because interfering with the normal flow of traffic creates exteremly dangerous situtations and increases the risk of an accident. Your feel that the world should change to bend to what YOU want, irregardless of what other's want, and in opposition of human nature. The relevent traffic law here, fortunately, reconizes this and says you can't interfer with the normal flow of traffic. You and your parents are not more important than the others, and you certainly don't have a right to block a larger group of people from doing what they want, especially when doing so puts everyone at risk.
I'm not the one making irrational claims here. It is all you. You've made so many negative assumptions it is almost actually funny. I marked you "Foe" so I know you are either ~40 with the reasoning skills of a teenager or a teenager trying to pretend you know what you are talking about and can either ignore you or respond accordingly.
I don't think you'd know rational if it beat you over the head.
I don't care what fmobus says; he can interperate thing as he wants.
You also misrepresent pretty much everything I've said. You were the one that implied the highway was busy; if it was not, how did a number of other cars so quickly end up stuck behind your parents? I never said the other car was "slighly below the speed limit." I said nothing about its speed, other than if you're parents weren't experienced in pulling a trailer, they should have stayed behind that vehicle. If the road wasn't busy, they should have looked for the cars coming up behind and waited until they passes as well. However, given your description, you made it sound like if they didn't pass right now they wouldn't get the opperuntity to. Hence my conclusion the road was busy, re-enforced by the fact that multiple cars decided it was better to pass on the right than remain stuck behind your parents.
I never said your parents never speed; I've always discussed speed as relative to the other vehicles involved. As far as how fast your parents passed.. if they had done so in a reasonable amount of time, I doubt anyone would have bothered passing on the right. Here's where my experience comes in; if someone is slow to pass, they are typically slow to return to the right lane.. if they do so at all. Also, more of my experience: People pulling a trailer think they are going faster than they are. Without fail, every time someone with a trailer is in the left lane, they cause a backup and traffic flow problem. The bigger the trailer, the worse this problem becomes, which is why I personally think semis should be banned from the left most lane (or lanes, if its a really big highway) at all time, unless there's an exit on the left.
While I was moving, I had to block traffic with my car
See, you're admitting to blocking the flow of traffic. You interfered with the flow of traffic in addition to the intererence your parents caused. Blocking the flow of traffic is illegal in most states, I hope you realize. This has been my stance all along by the way, that your parents were interfering with the flow of traffic, which lead others to react. Everything else is explaining why they may have done so. You yourself said they didn't have any experience pulling a trailer.
You are obviously bad at having a rational argument. If you want to keep calling me names like a stupid school-ground bully, go ahead. It won't make you look less stupid.
Ha, that's rich. I said you were being irrational and acting like a child, which if you read your own posts you should see is true.. unless that's too uncomfortable to you. But I never called you names. I suggest you read your own posts to look for the insults.
Heh... only people that haven't had sex say its overrated. ;-)
So... no one can tolerate to be around you is what I'm gathering.
Well, the FSF is entitled to their opinion. Also, the very next paragraph seems to contractict that. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter should it go to court. I have a feeling a court would not interperate the way they'd like.
Well, personally if a collect call appeared on my bill I'd dispute it. I would hope others do the same. If you can't be bothered to look at your bill, oh well.
There is no way in hell you've been driving for 25 years unless you aren't quite right in the brain.
Ya, believe whatever you want if that's what makes you feel better. I don't expect you to be rational in this discussion at all, you've shown right from the start you wouldn't be.
I think I see the problem here. You assumed you know my parents(you clearly don't), then you assumed they took their sweet time passing(they didn't), then you assumed my parents don't have experience pulling trailers(wrong again). No wonder you look like an ass.
According to YOUR standards you think they were passing in good time. Of course your standards are skewed to the fact that you believe your parents were in the right, and you're going to change your perceptions to make this preconceived notion. Of course nothing changes the fact that if you are passed on the right, you failed to return to the right lane in a timely manner. But go ahead, continue to be irrate, irrational and emotional. In typical babish manner, I noticed you marked me as a foe for disagreeing. Typical behavior, I'm afraid.
WTF? How is anyone supposed to get any experience? What happens when the people with experience die?
By driving, you act as if I said they shouldn't drive at all. I said they shouldn't have attempting passing with no experience hauling a trailer in busy traffic. As I said, there is a difference. Alternately, I'm sure there's driver training courses. I mean, we don't just let people drive semis by getting behind the wheel and heading out into heavy highway traffic with no prior experience. Perhaps we should include all forms of towing to receive training.
What do you do when you pass someone? Do you move back over right when your back bumper is ahead of their back bumper or do you give a little space?
Usually I wait until I see one headlight. However, I also use my experience and make a judgement call based on how quickly I passed the other car. If I overtoke the other vehicle quickly, I move over sooner too, knowing that the speed difference will ensure I don't hit the other car.
Are you really that ignorant of context? Property in this sense means land. Does that clear things up for you?