I didn't answer the straw man, no. There are no video game systems in schools that are provided by the schools. Nor will the school be setting up consoles with Manhunt 2 at the prom either. Given that first version of the game was rated MA (which is the equivolent of a movie's R rating), the claim that the game is being marketed to children is absurd.
Further, people actually DO have a right to put what they want into their own body, contrary to what the "War on drug" people believe. Also, contrary to what many parents think, its NOT societies job to provide an education to children. That's the parents job as well, and as long as they pay for it themselves, they have every right to pick a school which forbids drugs.
I think I've wasted enough time with your nonsense.
Last time I checked being very widely used wasn't considered a security flaw of the OS. They only bypass your "house" because your living on a 100 acre lot with nothing else around it. Its not worth the time it takes to get to your house when there's a whole city nearby.
Did you stop to consider that the bug may manifest very, very rarely? Enough that it isn't worth fixing? Its comments like these that make me wonder if more than a few software developers frequent the site..
The computer was slow, I received error messages when using programs I was used to using, but were not Vista upgraded yet.
Well the slowness is likely because its doing a lot more than XP did. Did you check out the services control panel? There's a great many new ones in there compared to XP.
As far as programs not being 'Vista upgraded,' you should really place the blame where it belongs, which is the application developers. Had they been following WinXP (perhaps even Win2K) best practices, there would have been no headaches running in Vista. Yet many programs STILL insist on storing user modifiable data in Program Files, or the Windows directory.
Yeah, I just because I don't remember the name (Microsoft Visual Studio.Net Premium Ultra Hyper whatever edition) doesn't mean I don't know what it is, or that I haven't seen how it has influenced people's decisions on what languages and servers to use. You can't tell me that someone who uses VS.NET isn't going to buy a Windows based server to host his web apps.
The same could be said of Java though. You can host it on Windows, I'm not sure its done very often, just like you can host an Asp.Net app on a Unix like OS (via Mono).
See I never had that problem, even with Sun's Windows JVM. You must have been using some portion I wasn't. Even the Microsoft VM didn't give me memory issues.
The next version released fixed the issue, with our code being unchanged. It had something to do with one of the timer classes.
Actually I was implying that most C/C++ developers were plenty capable of writing Java apps that were just as good as their C/C++ apps, if a little slower (now Sun's JVM is actually faster on some long-running processes). Most of the user noticable problems with Java was not the language or the JVM, it was AWT which I will very much agree sucked.
So are most MS developers as well (C++ to.Net). True that there are more bad VB developers out there, but that doesn't mean the majority are bad developers. Being that AWT was what most users saw of Java I'm not sure you can seperate them. Technically you are right.. does it matter if the UI is just slow as hell though? MS would be bashed endlessly if WPF performed as badly as AWT initally did.
I have nothing against Microsoft, I've used and coded for Windows for years. My Microsoft certification only recently expired.
Its odd then that you'd quickly forget the name of an IDE you likely used.
But SharpDevelop is the exception to the.NET ecosystem, not the rule. I have had several people tell me how frustrated they are about the lack of free.NET libraries and frameworks, and I'm not even talking open source. It's just a different community, that's all, and I prefer Java's.
There's quite a few though actually, that's the problem I'm having. The framework itself continues to have new features added (WPF will make creating custom controls much much simpler). I build software to earn a living though, so I don't really expect to be awash in free frameworks or libraries, I understand others need to do the same as well.
1. During the McCarthy era the government actually sent letters to businesses and otherwise bullied them into toeing the party line. In this case I don't think it's the ESRB who's telling Nintendo and Sony to not publish AO games. You know, what with both being Japanese companies and all.
Right, because Sony of America and Nintendo of America don't need to rate their games.
2. McCartyism made sure that you'll never work again, while this at worst means not publishing a game. For extra points: a game they should have had a good idea from the start that it'll get an AO rating. I'm sorry but there's a freakin' massive difference between the two.
You're right, all the development effort put into the game is worth nothing after all. Also, when you release a game that's actually tamer than the first version (and much tamer than many R rated movies), you expect to get an AO rating.
And incidentally: no, you don't have a sacred right to make a profit at all cost. There's a difference between freedom of speech, which is what the McCarthy era was infringing on, and the right to make a profit by selling ultra-violent games to kids. I mean, what next? The right to open a cocaine stand in a school?
Ahh, I'm glad we have you to decide what is an infringment of free speech and what is not. Who said this game was marketed at kids? The previous version was rated MA, which is also not for children. Take your 'think of the children' argument and shove it up your ass. Its the parents job to keep inappropriate things from thier kids, not society's. Finally, there's no proof that kids playing violent games has any real effect on them. I imagine there are millions of kids that grew up playing things like Mortal Kombat, and turned out just fine.
3. Sorry to dawn some reality upon your self-righteous parrade, but the ESRB is the gaming industry's own organizations. It's not like that AO rating came from some oppressive congressional comission. It's the gaming industry's own organization, and it uses people who are unaffiliated with either the government or the devs to judge a game's suitability for kids. So basically it's some people like you and me who judged that, nope, a game where extreme violence is the _whole_ game is unsuitable to kids.
You need to research why the ESRB came to be. If the industry didn't build the orginaization, there would have been laws passed banning or putting restrictions on the games. You don't seem to remember Congress debating Mortal Kombat in the 90s do you? MA also indicates a game isn't sutible for kids as well, but stores don't have policies against those ratings.
And let me say that again: I'm a gamer too, but I _don't_ think it sounds like a game I'd buy for my kids.
Fine, then don't. But don't pretend that you aren't supporting this to prevent adults from buying the game too.
And finally, lemme say another thing: I'm sick and tired of the whole retarded hypocrisy. Whenever someone complains about kids and violent games, what's the standard retort? "Yeah, but it wasn't for kids, most gamers are adults, adults have a right to buy a violent game if they want to, blah, blah, blah." Then the game gets an Adults Only rating, and what happens? "Auugh, censorship! McCarthyism! The government is trying to stop me from selling the game at WalMart! We'll be ruined without them selling our game!"
Its not just Walmart that won't sell AO games. You realize its possible for citizens to attempt to censor each other right, and that its just as wrong. Unfortunately our consitution doesn't provide for protection against that, probably because our founders never imagined that we as a country would be trying to strip others rights..
Well, the industry should freakin' make up its mind already. Either A or B, not both. Either you're genuinely making games for adults, in which case freakin' learn to live with a rating that says just that: "Adults Only." Or you want to sell those games to kid
Visual Studio, you'll forgive me for not keeping up with the names of products I don't use.
Well, if you don't even know the name, perhaps you're not qualified to make any statements about the product & related technologies.
Are you seriously telling me that a VB ActiveX control and VB ASP pages didn't promote code reuse? Or did you guys just not bother with that? I'm sorry if I'm wrong here, I just assumed that if you're writing client-side VB, then your server-side VB would reuse as much code as possible, and vice versa.
Again, you don't seem qualified to make any kind of comments. Do you think that a VB activeX control behaves differently than one created in C++? You seem to think everyone targting ASP was wrting vb code client side (which was never done in my shop). You don't need COM to reuse ASP code, and you typically didn't use custom COM components in asp because deploying the components was a pain. FWIW, OOP isn't about code reuse anyway.. its a nice side effect, but not the goal.
Did you ever even write a Java program? I wrote fast stable "write once, run anywhere" Java applets in Java 1.2. It was possible, it just required a little more skill than most VB programmers had.
Yes I have. And I remember said program leaking memory all over the place because SUN botched the Windows JVM. Your arrogance is very irriating. You really believe that those that target MS platforms only know VB? Get over yourself already. There are plenty of skilled MS developers out there, and we know alot more than VB.
C# seems like a good language, and Microsoft is trying hard with the.Net framework, but there is just simply not enough third-party resources available to make me ever consider switching from Java. If you're happy with a single vendor, few choices and expensive add ons, that's your business.
Careful, you almost said something good about an MS product. You might have your fanboy status revoked. There are plenty of third-party resources available. There's even an open source.Net IDE if you like. But you keep believing whatever you want, I need to get things done.
So you believe a 17 year old can't make a decision about sex, but an 18 year old can? You honestly believe there's some switch that kicks in on someone's 18th birthday? You must, that's the only reason you'd bring up such a law.
Technically, as Microsoft has been found guilty of antitrust violations, the line should be pretty close to what existing functionality is there.
So you reach number one status, and must stop adding features? You MUST sit there while all your competitors add the very features you are not supposed to? Basically, you expect the company to simply close up shop?
If IE had not become the dominant browser, nobody would have used ActiveX. If nobody used ActiveX, few people would have used Developer Studio, fewer people would have used ASP and, if few people used ASP, fewer would have used IIS and Windows servers.
Wow, that's one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read here. First, there's no such thing as Developer Studio. Second, ASP has nothing to do with ActiveX. Third, ASP is was not the sole driving factor in chosing a web server OS. The fact that many firms were already using NT would be though.
Get a clue.
If Microsoft had not put Java adoption back 5 years, nobody would have wanted.NET or Developer Studio.NET and, if nobody was programming in.NET, nobody would want to use IIS and Windows servers.
Java was holding Java back, being slow, buggy and 'write once, test everywhere.' Also, given the choice between.Net and Java for web development, I find I much prefer.Net.
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I would think that they are large to reduce noise and to prevent birds from being chopped to death.
Ugh. Filemaker was the biggest crap database I've ever had the misfortune of having to deal with. For those not familar with FM, think Access but much more diffcult to program against and much more difficult to use as a live datasource.
I'm hoping the next version of Access will use Sql Server Express as the db store. Then you can add transactions to the list of things FM doesn't do.
First, why does MS care, as long as you've paid for Windows? Your assertion that they want obedience more is just plain stupid.
Second, people already can do everything they want in Windows, so why would they bother with Linux at all? Put Windows aside until needed? Very few people would fit that model. You act as most people are dual booting and using Linux as their primary OS, that's simply not the case.
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I didn't answer the straw man, no. There are no video game systems in schools that are provided by the schools. Nor will the school be setting up consoles with Manhunt 2 at the prom either. Given that first version of the game was rated MA (which is the equivolent of a movie's R rating), the claim that the game is being marketed to children is absurd.
Further, people actually DO have a right to put what they want into their own body, contrary to what the "War on drug" people believe. Also, contrary to what many parents think, its NOT societies job to provide an education to children. That's the parents job as well, and as long as they pay for it themselves, they have every right to pick a school which forbids drugs.
I think I've wasted enough time with your nonsense.
I believe MS is going to release Silverlight for Linux and Mac, so I'm not sure it really matters.
Last time I checked being very widely used wasn't considered a security flaw of the OS. They only bypass your "house" because your living on a 100 acre lot with nothing else around it. Its not worth the time it takes to get to your house when there's a whole city nearby.
Its frightening that people like you are even employeed in IT at all.
Did you stop to consider that the bug may manifest very, very rarely? Enough that it isn't worth fixing? Its comments like these that make me wonder if more than a few software developers frequent the site..
The computer was slow, I received error messages when using programs I was used to using, but were not Vista upgraded yet.
Well the slowness is likely because its doing a lot more than XP did. Did you check out the services control panel? There's a great many new ones in there compared to XP.
As far as programs not being 'Vista upgraded,' you should really place the blame where it belongs, which is the application developers. Had they been following WinXP (perhaps even Win2K) best practices, there would have been no headaches running in Vista. Yet many programs STILL insist on storing user modifiable data in Program Files, or the Windows directory.
Yeah, I just because I don't remember the name (Microsoft Visual Studio .Net Premium Ultra Hyper whatever edition) doesn't mean I don't know what it is, or that I haven't seen how it has influenced people's decisions on what languages and servers to use. You can't tell me that someone who uses VS.NET isn't going to buy a Windows based server to host his web apps.
.Net). True that there are more bad VB developers out there, but that doesn't mean the majority are bad developers. Being that AWT was what most users saw of Java I'm not sure you can seperate them. Technically you are right.. does it matter if the UI is just slow as hell though? MS would be bashed endlessly if WPF performed as badly as AWT initally did.
.NET ecosystem, not the rule. I have had several people tell me how frustrated they are about the lack of free .NET libraries and frameworks, and I'm not even talking open source. It's just a different community, that's all, and I prefer Java's.
The same could be said of Java though. You can host it on Windows, I'm not sure its done very often, just like you can host an Asp.Net app on a Unix like OS (via Mono).
See I never had that problem, even with Sun's Windows JVM. You must have been using some portion I wasn't. Even the Microsoft VM didn't give me memory issues.
The next version released fixed the issue, with our code being unchanged. It had something to do with one of the timer classes.
Actually I was implying that most C/C++ developers were plenty capable of writing Java apps that were just as good as their C/C++ apps, if a little slower (now Sun's JVM is actually faster on some long-running processes). Most of the user noticable problems with Java was not the language or the JVM, it was AWT which I will very much agree sucked.
So are most MS developers as well (C++ to
I have nothing against Microsoft, I've used and coded for Windows for years. My Microsoft certification only recently expired.
Its odd then that you'd quickly forget the name of an IDE you likely used.
But SharpDevelop is the exception to the
There's quite a few though actually, that's the problem I'm having. The framework itself continues to have new features added (WPF will make creating custom controls much much simpler). I build software to earn a living though, so I don't really expect to be awash in free frameworks or libraries, I understand others need to do the same as well.
1. During the McCarthy era the government actually sent letters to businesses and otherwise bullied them into toeing the party line. In this case I don't think it's the ESRB who's telling Nintendo and Sony to not publish AO games. You know, what with both being Japanese companies and all.
Right, because Sony of America and Nintendo of America don't need to rate their games.
2. McCartyism made sure that you'll never work again, while this at worst means not publishing a game. For extra points: a game they should have had a good idea from the start that it'll get an AO rating. I'm sorry but there's a freakin' massive difference between the two.
You're right, all the development effort put into the game is worth nothing after all. Also, when you release a game that's actually tamer than the first version (and much tamer than many R rated movies), you expect to get an AO rating.
And incidentally: no, you don't have a sacred right to make a profit at all cost. There's a difference between freedom of speech, which is what the McCarthy era was infringing on, and the right to make a profit by selling ultra-violent games to kids. I mean, what next? The right to open a cocaine stand in a school?
Ahh, I'm glad we have you to decide what is an infringment of free speech and what is not. Who said this game was marketed at kids? The previous version was rated MA, which is also not for children. Take your 'think of the children' argument and shove it up your ass. Its the parents job to keep inappropriate things from thier kids, not society's. Finally, there's no proof that kids playing violent games has any real effect on them. I imagine there are millions of kids that grew up playing things like Mortal Kombat, and turned out just fine.
3. Sorry to dawn some reality upon your self-righteous parrade, but the ESRB is the gaming industry's own organizations. It's not like that AO rating came from some oppressive congressional comission. It's the gaming industry's own organization, and it uses people who are unaffiliated with either the government or the devs to judge a game's suitability for kids. So basically it's some people like you and me who judged that, nope, a game where extreme violence is the _whole_ game is unsuitable to kids.
You need to research why the ESRB came to be. If the industry didn't build the orginaization, there would have been laws passed banning or putting restrictions on the games. You don't seem to remember Congress debating Mortal Kombat in the 90s do you? MA also indicates a game isn't sutible for kids as well, but stores don't have policies against those ratings.
And let me say that again: I'm a gamer too, but I _don't_ think it sounds like a game I'd buy for my kids.
Fine, then don't. But don't pretend that you aren't supporting this to prevent adults from buying the game too.
And finally, lemme say another thing: I'm sick and tired of the whole retarded hypocrisy. Whenever someone complains about kids and violent games, what's the standard retort? "Yeah, but it wasn't for kids, most gamers are adults, adults have a right to buy a violent game if they want to, blah, blah, blah." Then the game gets an Adults Only rating, and what happens? "Auugh, censorship! McCarthyism! The government is trying to stop me from selling the game at WalMart! We'll be ruined without them selling our game!"
Its not just Walmart that won't sell AO games. You realize its possible for citizens to attempt to censor each other right, and that its just as wrong. Unfortunately our consitution doesn't provide for protection against that, probably because our founders never imagined that we as a country would be trying to strip others rights..
Well, the industry should freakin' make up its mind already. Either A or B, not both. Either you're genuinely making games for adults, in which case freakin' learn to live with a rating that says just that: "Adults Only." Or you want to sell those games to kid
You need to open your eyes wider then.
You must be new.
.Net framework, but there is just simply not enough third-party resources available to make me ever consider switching from Java. If you're happy with a single vendor, few choices and expensive add ons, that's your business.
.Net IDE if you like. But you keep believing whatever you want, I need to get things done.
Says the user with a 7 digit id..
Visual Studio, you'll forgive me for not keeping up with the names of products I don't use.
Well, if you don't even know the name, perhaps you're not qualified to make any statements about the product & related technologies.
Are you seriously telling me that a VB ActiveX control and VB ASP pages didn't promote code reuse? Or did you guys just not bother with that? I'm sorry if I'm wrong here, I just assumed that if you're writing client-side VB, then your server-side VB would reuse as much code as possible, and vice versa.
Again, you don't seem qualified to make any kind of comments. Do you think that a VB activeX control behaves differently than one created in C++? You seem to think everyone targting ASP was wrting vb code client side (which was never done in my shop). You don't need COM to reuse ASP code, and you typically didn't use custom COM components in asp because deploying the components was a pain. FWIW, OOP isn't about code reuse anyway.. its a nice side effect, but not the goal.
Did you ever even write a Java program? I wrote fast stable "write once, run anywhere" Java applets in Java 1.2. It was possible, it just required a little more skill than most VB programmers had.
Yes I have. And I remember said program leaking memory all over the place because SUN botched the Windows JVM. Your arrogance is very irriating. You really believe that those that target MS platforms only know VB? Get over yourself already. There are plenty of skilled MS developers out there, and we know alot more than VB.
C# seems like a good language, and Microsoft is trying hard with the
Careful, you almost said something good about an MS product. You might have your fanboy status revoked. There are plenty of third-party resources available. There's even an open source
So you believe a 17 year old can't make a decision about sex, but an 18 year old can? You honestly believe there's some switch that kicks in on someone's 18th birthday? You must, that's the only reason you'd bring up such a law.
Just what we need, more spoiled brats. Why not cancel your internet connection and use that money on your kids too, selfish?
Technically, as Microsoft has been found guilty of antitrust violations, the line should be pretty close to what existing functionality is there.
So you reach number one status, and must stop adding features? You MUST sit there while all your competitors add the very features you are not supposed to? Basically, you expect the company to simply close up shop?
If IE had not become the dominant browser, nobody would have used ActiveX. If nobody used ActiveX, few people would have used Developer Studio, fewer people would have used ASP and, if few people used ASP, fewer would have used IIS and Windows servers.
.NET or Developer Studio .NET and, if nobody was programming in .NET, nobody would want to use IIS and Windows servers.
.Net and Java for web development, I find I much prefer .Net.
Wow, that's one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read here. First, there's no such thing as Developer Studio. Second, ASP has nothing to do with ActiveX. Third, ASP is was not the sole driving factor in chosing a web server OS. The fact that many firms were already using NT would be though.
Get a clue.
If Microsoft had not put Java adoption back 5 years, nobody would have wanted
Java was holding Java back, being slow, buggy and 'write once, test everywhere.' Also, given the choice between
I would think that they are large to reduce noise and to prevent birds from being chopped to death.
Ugh. Filemaker was the biggest crap database I've ever had the misfortune of having to deal with. For those not familar with FM, think Access but much more diffcult to program against and much more difficult to use as a live datasource.
I'm hoping the next version of Access will use Sql Server Express as the db store. Then you can add transactions to the list of things FM doesn't do.
You have a weird view of things.
First, why does MS care, as long as you've paid for Windows? Your assertion that they want obedience more is just plain stupid.
Second, people already can do everything they want in Windows, so why would they bother with Linux at all? Put Windows aside until needed? Very few people would fit that model. You act as most people are dual booting and using Linux as their primary OS, that's simply not the case.
WinFS isn't technically dead. The project itself is done, but many of the new technologies have been split out and will be developed further.
Vista Home Premium isn't all that expensive. Hell, I even managed to pick up the Utlimate edition for $300 instead of $400.
Wow, you evaluate a new OS based on stories from your friends? That's a great system.
Because its a game?
You feel that there is much difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old?
As for the programming side, don't forget WPF. WPF makes it really easy to build UIs. Need a text box in a menu item? Piece of cake.
Why is my WinXP operating system supposed to be using more RAM now than it was running MSDOS?
The obvious answer is that there are more features in the new OS.
IF business support was as bad as you claim, dell would be losing customers quickly.
Part of buying a dell is for support though, and installing Linux when they sold you a Windows box will surely void your warranty.