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Microsoft Buys Rare
Phwoar writes "Microsoft have announced their buyout of the games developer Rare. After a $375 million payoff Rare will now produce games solely for the Xbox. After Rare's recent releases for the Nintendo systems bombed, Nintendo decided to sell their 49% stake in the company last week rather than buy the company themselves.
Google News has a nice collection of links to articles regarding the announcement." You might be reminded of Microsoft's purchase of Bungie a few years ago.
Great there goes another great sequel for the Gamecube
Will we get Donkey Kong office assistants now?
That game was a classic... perhaps the best console FPS ever, especially in multiplayer. Redoing it for the X-Box, with improved graphics and more detailed level designs would kick some serious ass!
Due to this announcement, I am switching from MCSE track to *nix track.
PS - MCSE Course on sale shortly-watch eBay
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5 separate Microsoft stories on the front page??
Resistance is futile.
This is a shame. I remember when Bungie used to make fantastic mac only games. I remember when Rare use to make fantastic Nintendo only games. Sometimes as a studio, you just need the cash and stability sometimes that can come from a buyout, but it's just kind of sad to see the real gems sell out to none other than Microsoft.
if you read any gaming publication, this is old news, i guess its relevant to slashdot though, since it is microsoft.
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Halo was all set to come out on Mac and PC. The game was hot stuff. People were banking on this one to be the next big thing in FPS titles.
Along comes Micro$oft, Bungie gets big googly eyes about all the money and ditches their PC title in favor of the XBox one.
That, is the one reason why I will not purchase Halo. They don't deserve my money, they're nothing but pushover weiners. They let Bill Gates fuck them in the ass.
When Microsoft bought Bungie, it was to buy a "killer app" for the X-Box and nerf it's simultaneous PC development for fear it would show up the X-Box.
Rare on the other hand has a whole one game announced and a legacy of Nintendo titles. Ultimately, it's just another shot fired in the console wars, rather than a loss to PC gaming, this time.
I would buy an X-Box, knowing Bill loses as much money as I spend on each one sold - but he has more money than me and so is going to win that war.
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It's about time Microsoft started playing by the same tactics Sony and Nintendo have used for years:
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Buy the companies that make the best games, and be sure they only make them for you.
I can't wait for Donkey Kong Country X.
Yippie. Now Steve Balmer won't be the only large, hairy monkey to hold an Xbox controller.
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Considering the fact that Nintendo is quickly picking up great 3rd part support, such as Squaresoft and Capcom's Resident Evil series, this actually makes a lot more sense then it did at first glance. the register, at http://www.theregus.com/content/54/26394.html, makes a great point about the logics of selling Rare, which is what many argued was Nintendo's greatest asset. Apparently, the founders of Rare, the Stamper Brothers, are soon to leave the company, so most of the innovation that came in Rare games was to leave them. I am a proud owner of a Gamecube, and all I can say is, we still get Starfox, and we can always just make another great 1st person shooter using the 007 liscense :)
Actually, you got second post.
375 million? i think they paid that much just for the prestige of owning a previously successful game company. Now after they pay the cost to switching to the xbox development environment, they got to produce something worthwhile. I dunno about you, but 375 million is difficult to live up to. I think the idea it total garbage on microsoft's part.
Nope, we sure aren't a monopoly! How could you believe such a thing!
"rare" is a French word that means "scarce".
Am I the only person who read that as "Microsoft Bugs Rare"?
More proof that speed-reading CAN cause heart attacks. Or (insert soft drink of choice) to be spit all over the monitor, at any gate.
It will be "rare" to have games from them that are "well done"!
It's an old story. Developers aren't exactly flocking to the XBox platform and most that do develop for the Xbox, also develop for the superior PS2 and GameCube platforms.
It's a last-ditch effort by Microsoft to take control of more game developers in an attempt to slow their continued decline in 3rd place.
Google News: "Microsoft Buys Rare - Slashdot - 11 minutes ago"
Slashdot: "Google News has a nice collection of links to articles regarding the announcement."
Google News: "Microsoft Buys Rare - Slashdot - 11 minutes ago"
Slashdot: "Google News has a nice collection of links to articles regarding the announcement."
Google News: "Microsoft Buys Rare - Slashdot - 11 minutes ago"
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
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Those who have been around the gaming scene for a while may be interested in the fact that the folks behind Rare were also the same people behind Ultimate (Play the Game), a popular game development house in the early to mid 1980's.
Nintendo still retains control over the characters/franchises such as Donkey Kong and Star Fox, so don't be expecting any of them to show up on the Xbox any time soon.
I mean, does Micro$oft is now a software compagny ? or a computer hardware compagny ? or a gaming console compagny ? Something else ? A lawyer bureau mabye ? Or a we-sell-all-things-possible-to-make-a-big-monopoly compagny ? So, anyone ? Please, because I'm lost right now...
I weep for the loss of all future Rare products to the XBox.
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Many Nintendo fans are upset, but you gotta realize that it's just business. Rare made good games, sure, but only two were block-buster hits (Donkey Kong Country and Goldeneye). The rest hardly broke even, or in some cases, didn't at all(Diddy Kong Racing). I don't like seeing them go anymore than anyone else, being the owner of a gamecube (and a PS2, bought that after Nintendo's dry spell after Christmas) but it was a smart move business-wise.
375 megabucks is a lot of cash. MS has had significant problems marketing XBox. It seems to me that they must be really worried about losing a source of games.
Does anyone know how many employees work at Rare? I know it's not distributed evenly but they must be pretty happy about it on the average.
Especially so for those whose stock is already vested.
-scsg
The top news link at google news is this slashdot article.
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Anyway, Rare doesn't have as much of a pedigree as Microsoft probably thinks it does. I'm betting most people associate Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong, etc more with Nintendo than Rare. They are going to have to shout from the makers of perfect dark on any future commercial advertising Xbox titles by Rare if they expect anyone to care, or even notice...
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Not to sound like an MS hater here, but this is an incredibly poor purchase. Rare as a development studio was cut loose by Nintendo because (in addition to making up very little of Nintendo's revenue for 2001 and 2002 prior to Starfox) they missed deadlines and put out subpar games (DK64, Jet Force Gemini, Perfect Dark (if you can't stand the horrid framerate)) for the last several years. To make matters worse, most of the decent devs (including the founders) have left to form their own companies and Rare itself only has two or three marketable licenses (Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, and Conker (maaaaybe)). So MS is paying hundreds of millions for a game developer recently known for its overbudget, late games that aren't very good and doesn't even get any big licenses in the bargain. Why didn't they just sink $10 mil into 20 or 30 dev houses to fund a bunch of big exclusive games? They'd get more results faster and almost assuredly higher quality.
With the delay of Panzer Dragoon Orta to 2003 the Xbox's Christmas lineup is also fairly lackluster and sales this Xmas could be very poor. Of course, if MS keeps pumping marketing dollars into it maybe they can convince America that the console is doing great.
I'm not trying to start a console flamewar (I go where the games are in most cases, and I will probably pick up an Xbox at the next price drop), but with Xbox's sales figures for Japan (the-magicbox.com) showing that in some weeks even the PSOne is outselling it, I wonder if the Japanese game studios will be abandoning what little development they already do on Xbox and concentrating on the two surviving consoles instead.
If you have to buy a company to secure share, it's not a good business model, especially in the game software market. MS is struggling and this is just another red flag.
I think the obvious next move is for Microsoft to buy Sega. Their own developers have some ok sports games, but Sega would buy them some real sports clout along with some younger generation appeal that they could use to balance their library of titles.
Just think, if they could claim exclusive rights to Sega's line of sports games, including NFL, NBA, NHL, baseball, tennis, and college football lines. They could be the premiere sports games for the Xbox Live online service, for example. And a Virtua Fighter would put Xbox squarely in the sights of many fighting game fans, since then DoA, VF, and Soul Calibur would all be available on one system. Add online opponents and tourneys, and they could potentially hand out more hats of money. Then with Sonic and those cute little Super Monkey Balls, they'd have a possible in with children and youngsters that aren't necessarily into the older games. Make all of these exclusives, and the Xbox looks a whole lot better of an investment.
You know they've thought about it, and now we know the stakes: $3.75e8 dollars for someone like Rare that doesn't have the rep or the library of Sega. Sega's gotta be worth what...twice that...in franchises and development talent alone.
While we're talking numbers, how many units of games does Rare have to sell to be worth it to MicroSoft? Or, perhaps more importantly, how many monthly online subscriptions? And how long is it going to take them to pay it off, given that they're going to incur more costs, in terms of development and promotion, just to get a game out the door?
The usual disclaimer: I'm not an Xbox or MS fan. Read my blog and you'll see where my interests lie. I'm just commenting on the situation as I see it...
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This can't be the only way they get games for their console, can it? embrace and extend a can of whoopass on every developer out there? I mean that's the only reason they have Halo, the supposed Killer App for the Xbox, and which won't be released on any other platform until late next year.
Hey guys, how about, if you're going to make a console, make some games yourselves! if I couldn't drive I wouldn't buy a car, you know? (ok if I was billg I could have Lee Iacoca as my chauffeur so not a good example) but Sega, Nintendo, Sony, Atari all made killer games for their systems and maybe Microsoft thought they could just put the system out there and everyone else would make software for it. Then when that didn't pan out so well they said "how are you gentlemen, if you won't develop games for our box we buy j00 and make you do it". followed by "j00 r 0wn3d, all your developer, ha. ha. ha." or something.
I'm just worried there's going to come a point where there's no more developers left to acquire and they're going to have to start buying users too. "you will play Halo now." no, i wanna play GT3. "Here's a hundred bucks. play the damn Xbox!" Awesome way to get market share and if anyone can make it profitable it's Microsoft.
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...looks like game companies aren't all that Microsoft has been able to buy.
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and one they should update for the XBOX.....
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If Rare's output has tanked since its days with Nintendo, why in the hell would Microsoft want to buy it? I smell a lemon, and it most certainly isn't lemony fresh, either.
Anyone got a hammer? It's time to slam another nail (albeit an early one) in the XBox's coffin. If noone bought Rare games when they were with the Mario bunch, what makes MS think that anyone's going to rush out and buy an XBox just to get their hands on more of the same? Apparently, according to the numbers, noone rushed out to get an XBox when MS bought up Bungie and made Halo an XBox-only title. They're more interested in shining MS off and getting Linux to load on it. That's the only positive reason I can see to buy one.
My prediction: The Rare name will all but disappear, save for the logos when games boot. Otherwise, it'll be nothing but Microsoft's latest lame attempt at the console market share they think they deserve. Smoothe move, Billy.
/. is becoming more of an entertainment venue, as I'm starting to read just for the "What bonehead move will MS pull next" factor. Somebody get the DOJ on the line and have them charge MS with "Lack of common sense..."
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Does anyone remember how cool the Playstation was in it's first 2 years? How I miss those days. These days consoles aren't as fun as they used to be- they feel like Big Business. Every time I buy a game, I get the same creepy feeling I get when I buy a music CD and help out the RIAA a little. Ah well...
Now you will have to pay annual multi-user licenses for the next round of Rare multi-player games.
Nintendo sells their shares in Rare and top-off their coffers. They win.
Rare makes off with MS money, the finest money that money can buy. They win too.
MS gets a development house that used to turn out hits, but has floundered in recent years. Tim and Chris Stamper are leaving. That leaves Conker, Perfect Dark, and that's about it. No Donkey Kong or anything else owned by Nintendo.
About the only _real_ downside to Nintendo consumers (IMO) is that any sort of RC Pro-Am sequel will be an xbox exclusive. Boohoo. On a lot of the gamer website forums, this has been a huge non-issue for the past few days, since Rare hasn't been playing with the big boys in terms of game quality/quantity for quite a while.
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If they buy Rockstar, THAT would be impressive. I'd consider an X-Box if they did that. Instead, they're buying Rare, who's hot new game sounds like some really, really horrible, drug-induced nightmare belonging to a 5 year old, combined with every other generic Japanimation-type game ever made.
Now Microsoft will be able to say what we already knew: "If it's good and it's Microsoft, it's gotta be Rare!"
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
One more company falls to the malicious evil conniving misuse of money we see so often from such an evil company.
Although I haven't exactly pursued info about xbox because I'm not particularly interested in it, I must admit I'm curious as to it's place in the market and whether or not it's increased or decreased since it came out. Is xbox the new sega? At least Sega made good games. It's too bad they were strongarmed out of the console hardware market.
I own a ps2 (which I use as a dvd player mostly, and occasionally as a game player), and my gamecube is my main game machine. I'm just not interested in xbox or any of it's games. It really has nothing to do with MS.
You could do some outrageous ultra combo and top it off by blue-screening the xbox! Talk about a finishing move!!!
Please! Everyone buy an X-Box for the holidays, just don't buy any games. Hack it into a nice little Linux box.
With MS losing between $100 - $200 per machine, they are counting on people buying lots of games to make their money back.
Take the opportunity to get a nice $199 DNS, e-mail or web server.
Microsoft has money to burn -- give them the opportunity.
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Here goes microsoft with their dirty tactics again... sigh.
not saying that SONY would not, if they had the money to do it -- oh wait, they DO have the money to buy a couple outside developers just for shits and giggles, but didn't.
Same story has happened before, guys... I remember back in the days when M$ literally parked a "hiring booth" in front of Borland and basically said "if you sign up right now, we give you 150% of what you are making and then a huge bonus (6 figures, maybe more)." look what happened to Borland.
As much as the Xbox is a better system (technology-wise) I would not buy it on principle. doing so is to encourage more of the bloodshed in the world caused by M$ that's already way-too-much. to paraphrase it -- Microsoft is the sickle that harvest the souls of computing.
Anyone who don't think you are suffering because of this game developer buy-out thing: remember: Halo was supposed to be released for PC first. and now Halo 2 is about to come out... where is the PC version?
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Have you ever seen Star Wars: Rogue Leader? And who says Nintendo is a ruthless/heartless company? For all I know they're 20 times more honest than Sony or Microsoft put together. Remember the original Playstation? That was going to be Nintendo AND Sony's venture until Sony STOLE the entire thing behind Nintendo's back. Good thing Nintendo knows how to make kickbutt games. Neither Sony nor Microsoft deserve to be in the industry. Good thing they have tons of $$$....
look for Banjo Kazooie and that squirrel Conker, and perhaps even the fairy on Rare's front page
1) Microsoft buys Rare
2) Makes Games
3) Profits.
4) Slashdotters get pissed because the question mark is missing.
1. Rare is notorious for long delays. How will MS(who expects 5 games in 2 yrs...ha ha) deal with a company that releases games when it wants to. Only Blizzard is more tardy in the # of delays.
.8 million (fall 2003) .4 million (summer 2003)
2. Since Goldeneye, the games haven't been major sellers(not even Perfect Dark blew the competition out of the water, maybe b/c N64 was dying at the time). Banjo 2, Conker, Donkey Kong64, and Jet Force Gemini got good reviews but weren't huge hits. Does Kameo look and sound like a 2 million seller? Perfect Dark 2 definitely but Kong Racing? Banjo 3?
Here's my prediction:
Perfect Dark 2 - 2.5 million (2004)
Banjo 3 - 1.5 million (Christmas 2003)
Kong Racing -
Kameo -
I doubt if Rare will be able to singlehandedly revive the Xbox the way it did with SNES. Rare just wasn't producing enough bang for each Nintendo buck. Yes, they have produced world famous games but the past 5 years have been lackluster. Also, much of the talent has left Rare, Nintendo weighed all of this and chose to sell off its stake.
"Nintendo decided to sell their 49% stake in the company last week rather than buy the company themselves."
It's not like they FORCED Nintendo to sell its stock. This is just seeing an oportunity to grab them cheap and increase revenue on MS's part. If you really want to yell at someone, yell at Nintendo, since they're the ones who SOLD it.
Their stuff for Saturn, Dreamcast and arcade was awesome.
But their cross-platform stuff sucked the weenie.
I'm trying to figure out if this affects any games I'd be interested in. What exactly is "Rare" - or, I mean, what games do they make. What games did they make?
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Man... you people just don't know your console gaming history. The playstation sold by sony and the joint "add-on" for the SNES that Sony and Nintendo developed was rejected by Nintendo. The only thing that the add-on had in common with the playstation was the fact that it had the same name. Woohoo Mario.. yeah... kick but game alright, NOT ANYMORE :).
The only company with excellent first party titles were Sega. Virtua Fighter, Shenmue, etc. They had some kick ass games :)
Hmmm... Pie...
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Surely I wasn't the only person who feared that Microsoft had finally acquired the Holy Grail?
Is your browser retarded?
It amuses me when stupefyinly large purchases are made of software dev houses.
You can't Buy the TALENT!!! The talent flees! Even with golden handcuffs and stock options most flee like hell and create other startups or go contractor.
The companies languish. Halo took eternity to ship. Still is 3 years late for mac system! It was demoed in 1999.
Its hilarious.
The "visionaries" "art directors" "designers" all have locks of stock as do the vps, but the core grunt talent-gods do not... and they flee.
then the companies churn through "Directors of Technology" one per year like clockwork as they flounder.
ALL GOOD GAMES are made by high IQ people with a knack for talent at game coding and these quirky guys are rarely compensxated correctly or despise golden handcuffs and shackles... many of which do not AUTO-VEST if the companies are sold!
The idiotic firms think lack of auto-vesting options will keep their talented prima-donnas.... WRONG!!!!!! They do not do everyting in life for money.
They get the hell out and fast.
Then the companies imploded.
Companies REFUSE to give proper respect and rewards to the most vital talent, primarily from IQ envy, or agism against youth.
Its the "peter principle" incarnate.
I have kissed off millions of dollars a few times in my life. And i dont give a rip. I laugh at the dead companies I once worked for. All dead dead dead!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (and their stock worthless to the very end).
When taking the GBA out of the picture the Gamecube(from the last sales chart I saw) was slightly ahead of Xbox.
I have been submitting stories on this for the past week but they have been based on rumors. Only NOW did MS release the press statement. Slashdot was right not to post stories based on rumors of MS buying Rare.
Ahh...the mention of 'Rare' reminds me of playing good ol' Killer Instinct back in high school...anyone else remember those 47 hit killer kombos worth the 50 cents back then???
maybe its just me...
sigh...
X-Box Live. TechTV had it.
No. Nintendo is not a lesser evil.
http://www.gamersgraveyard.com/repository/oddit
Yes, there are some stupid lawsuits listed there, but I don't see anything comparable to enforced DRM, abuse of monopoly power against software companies, abuse of monopoly power against hardware manufacturers, undocumented routines built into the OS to cripple applications from competitors, etc.
I thought it read "Microsoft Buys Rare Sofa". Just the thought of Lazy-Boy XP makes me shudder.
Heck yeah I remember the Bungie buyout, Halo became one of the hottest console games I've ever played! Bring on MS-backed Rare products!
Did anyone else come across this same /. article saying "Microsoft Buys Rare Sorta", and now it says "Microsoft Buys Rare". Did the editors actually edit? That's it, I'm breaking open my dooms-day beer stash -- hell, it can't hurt.
i can just see it now...they're going to buy id its going to be halo all over again with doom III
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Please, people, stop saying "they're abusing their power of monopoly!" Nintendo and Sony have been kicking the crap out of MS in the console arena. They can play the same marketing games that everyone else does as long as their console isn't most of the console market.
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Come on now, there ain't nothing anti-competitive about a company dumping 375 million (thats 375,000,000) dollars on a has-been developer. If they had bought Sega and then released all of the Sega titles, ported, for "classic" prices (you know how a company repackages a bunch of old titles for 20 bucks), then that might be vaguely anti-competitive.
Oh, and since Slashcode is tossing in a space, you need to remove it.
Because MS is a monopoly, Apple is not. Also, MS has a habit of not playing nice w/ anyone so you can kiss all new Rare titles on other platforms goodbye going forward. GJC
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nintendo executives have given themselves a $375 million dollar bonus, and nintendo has filed for bankruptcy.
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I read this over at GameSpot. Seems that SoFII is Xbox bound as well. The game will support Xbox Live and have multiple online modes.
I'm no huge fan of the Beast, but I have to concede that they are positioning themselves really well with the Xbox.
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How does M$ using 'monopolistic' tactics preclude or excuse Apple from doing the same ? The enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend by default.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
not saying that SONY would not, if they had the money to do it -- oh wait, they DO have the money to buy a couple outside developers just for shits and giggles, but didn't.
What kind of crack are you smoking, exactly?
Nintendo bought Rare, as well as a few other houses.
Sony bought Psygnosis (Wipeout), Square (Final Fantasy; major shareholder), Polyphony Digital (the guys who did Gran Turismo), Incog (Twisted Metal), Verant (Everquest), Red Zone (989 Sports), Naughty Dog (Crash Bandicoot), The Station (Online game center), RTIME Inc. (online game infrastructure company), Millennium (Medievil), Arc Entertainment Inc., Sugar and Rockets Inc. (Kurushi), and Contrail Inc.
(Wild Arms).
So, I guess Sony's customers are suffering because of this game buy out thing?
Or do you still claim that sony DIDN'T do this?
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It's a plural now?
There's a trucking company up here in Canada called Fluke, and their slogan is, and I'm not making this up, "If it's on time, it's a Fluke."
It's absolutely brilliant.
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
I agree with you for the most part, but I must say that Perfect Dark is a great game. Frame rate could have been quicker, but that was just because they pushed the N64 hard.
I keep an N64 around just for that one to be played in multi-player mode once in a while.
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Microsoft is standing on it's own merits in this industry. There isn't too much they can do to best two ingrained corperations each the size of themselves.
Whoa, slashdot is SOOOOOOOOO slow on this story. I read about this last week and also posted it a couple hours ago (I almost didn't bother) to my website, which is located here. My post links to a story which links to inside Rare employee comments on the transfer.
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that MS also had an itching to get Nintendo itself...
Have any of you ever even played any games produced by Microsoft?
Ah well, rather than berate you for your ignorance, I'll simply take up your stance to demonstrate your idiocy.
"OMG LINUS IS TEH ROX WOOT LINUS REDHAT SHOULD MAKE GAMEZ FOR DA PS2 CUZ LINUX IS OMG KEWL K-RAD D()()DZ!"
And still Microsoft tries to enter and take over markets by expending large sums of money. Hopefully Microsoft's stock holders realize that if they have to spend these obscene amounts of money to get exclusive talent for their platform (like when they acquired Bungie), that they will have extrodinary issues being able to make any type of profit. While Microsoft management may be willing to lose excessive amounts of money - it simply defies logic as to why the stock holders haven't started asking questions.
I always find it funny when someone thinks they are so insightful and important, then they get to have their own ignorance thrown back in their face. Naughty Dog, Incog, Red Zone, Psygnosis, etc. How many game developers would you like me to list that Sony has purchased?
Let me guess - it's not "dirty tactics" when they do it, right?
Anyone else find the user ids of the parent and grandparent pretty ironic?
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When Microsoft bought Bungie, it was to buy a "killer app" for the X-Box and nerf it's simultaneous PC development for fear it would show up the X-Box.
Throwing away money to assure exclusivity, same as with their acquisition of rights to FASA's BattleTech video game development (IP value, if nothing else... too bad they don't roll out Ralph Reed's BattleMech!)
Rare on the other hand has a whole one game announced and a legacy of Nintendo titles. Ultimately, it's just another shot fired in the console wars, rather than a loss to PC gaming, this time.
More good money after bad. Seems apparent, to me, that without their monopoly they couldn't shoot fish in a berrel. I can't recall where I've seen this strategy of spending money like crazy on to prop up a dying horse, but I do recall it's unusual in the extreme to see it succeed. They're hemmoraging cash and the estimates (from CNN) are they'll get 1.5 million units into the Europe-Middle East-Africa market, and Sony/Nintendo will cover the remaining sales of 12.7 million units.
IMHO Sony and Nintendo are smarter to leave much game development out of house, in the hands of garage developers everywhere, which fosters more creativity than:
It's practically a guarranteed failure.
What next? Steve Balmer running around on a stage, getting all sweaty and telling us how great the new X-Box Solitaire is? Actually, that might sell...
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to finish off this thread - u juss a little beeeyatch
When did consoles become computers? Consoles are for playing!!
I do not think so Nintendo simply designed a game system using all parts designed for that purpose and software for that purpose meaning that yes even though xBox may have some faster components, GC is overall more balanced allowing for better performance.
First and foremost, we will NEVER see a DK game on the Xbox. DK is owned wholey by Nintendo. The same goes for Star Fox. Nintendo owns these franchises and will never let them go. As for anyother game by Rare, all their recent games have been floops. There games since Goldeneye have been: DK64, Jet Force Gemini, Conker's Bad Fur Day and Perfect Dark. While some will say each of these games where great none of them sold well. Goldeneye eye was Rare's last great title. The fact that their newest game (Star Fox Adventure) took them this long (even starting as an n64 projected called Dinosaur Planet) should only tell people how bad they have gotten. They have had Cube dev kits longer than most any second party that Nintendo has and it took them this long to make a 20 hour game. Have fun with Microsoft Rare, you surely aren't needed by Nintendo and soon the Xbox crowd will get used to your massive delays and lack of strong selling titles.
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i came to this thread because it was a headline on google news main page. i wonder if it's double linking to google news influenced its placing within it.
Errr...the 19th?
donkey-kong is trademarked by nintendo
But even though Nintendo owns the trademark on the name and likeness of Donkey Kong, Rare owns the copyright to the 3D model of Donkey Kong used in Mario Kart 64, Super Smash Bros., Super Smash Bros. Melee, and possibly other recent games. (Check the credits.) Now Nintendo will have to license something from Microsoft in order to make Super Smash Bros. 3.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Well, no one's ever associated them with "well done"
1. Now all of a sudden a lot of really good games that may have been produced and released on different platforms are only going to be for the X-Box. I was hoping to see the PS2 doing a sequel to Perfect Dark or Conker's but I guess that won't happen.
2. This is EXACTLY what Microsoft needs for the floundering X-Box. So far the machine has had only a handful of decent games that are exclusive to the machine, and a whole lot being developed for all platforms. If I own a PS2, why should I bother getting an X-Box for a game that is available on my machine? The more imaginative developers jump on to the X-Box bandwagon (or in this case are lassoed and pulled onto the bandwagon) the better it is for the platform.
Whether any of this is a good thing I guess remains to be seen. Considering that nothing spectacular has been heard to be coming from Rare (at least any time soon), maybe this won't make a difference worth mentioning. Anywho, just my 2c. Agree or disagree?
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Anyone who don't think you are suffering because of this game developer buy-out thing: remember: Halo was supposed to be released for PC first. and now Halo 2 is about to come out... where is the PC version? I could have sworn that Halo was originally supposed to come out for the Mac first not PC.
Hahahahahaha, what?
Every time MS picks up a game company they add years of exclusive x-box games. But to boost x-box sales they are blocking windows game development.
What MS hoped would be a new cash cow is going to end up cannablizing their home PC base, while Linux eats away at the server market.
MS never should have created the x-box, instead they should have pushed the Windows PC into the living room.
it's a representation of a Nintendo trademarked franchise
But Rare still owns the copyright on the 3D mesh that represents a character under a Nintendo trademark. If Nintendo wanted to make another DK game, Nintendo would have to make new 3D models from scratch.
Will I retire or break 10K?
And a Virtua Fighter would put Xbox squarely in the sights of many fighting game fans, since then DoA, VF, and Soul Calibur would all be available on one system. Add online opponents and tourneys, and they could potentially hand out more hats of money.
Wasn't all of the above allready avaliable on the Dreamcast some time ago? (And I don't need to remind anyone what happened to that system!)
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Donkey Kong is owned by Nintendo, not Rare. Nintendo will not allow a game to be released on the X-box starring one of its oldest characters. Rare will be making games like Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, etc.
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You can't kill the boogey man.
What, as opposed to Sony paying MILLIONS to ensure that GTA3 would be exclusive to the PS2 (in the console market) until 2004?
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On one side, Microsoft who's crimes are well known.
On the other side, Sony. Who makes some fine equipment, but also drives the DMCA and other *coff* fine laws.
For all the whining about Microsoft, the DMCA, the 'loss' of 'rights' done here, these SAME whiners are willing to hand over money to these SAME companies.
What drives their engines is the money consumers hand over....why are you increasing thier power by buying their products?
Do you really think Rare came up with donkey kong?
He's been with us since the begining, and is a product of the same mind that came up with mario, zelda, and many of the orgional nintendo characters.
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Rare lately has been making total crap games. It was a waste of $$ for MS to even buy them.
Jet. Set. Radio. Future. For. Xbox.
:P
I paid $300 for a console I hate just to play that game
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Stores cant keep them in stock since the release of Mario .. And this is just the first of many games.. Next up is StarFox, and then Metroid, and finally ..oO ZELDA Oo.. - Their sales were never lacking in Europe, and in fact, were always ahead of the XBox there. All around the world the machine that is known as Nintendo is starting to dominate. Sonys weak online push is backfiring with shoddy games like SOCOM (terrible reviews), and the only thing keeping that boat afloat is a few key games such as Kingdom Hearts and GTA3. MS and Sony will be dumping so much money into online services that will just flop. If anyones been watching all these new online games for both systems, they're getting slammed left and right because of realtime chatting with voice its nothing but swearing, the parents dont want it, and the games you cant coordinate without keyboards and typing - The sales for the PS2 keyboard have been dull simply because people have just decided for online games, nothing beats the PC. Nintendo played it smart and saw this a mile away. thumbs up, big thumbs up.
MicroSoft is starting to make the Dreamcast bomb look like the worlds largest diamond. This is so god damn funny. They didn't get ANY trademarks for any of Rares big games, either. What did they buy? Basically nothing!
Whenever I'm talking with some gamers, and I bring up Rare, the general consensus is that Rare is some kind of development god. I disagree.
Rare's greatest achievement (in my opinion) was GoldenEye. GoldenEye is basically the best N64 game of all time. (The only thing keeping GoldenEye from perfection was the lack of multiplayer bots.) People will try to tell me that Perfect Dark is better than GoldenEye, but the graphics were worse, and the gameplay was like GoldenEye's, but just different enough to annoy me and make me want to go play GoldenEye again.
I liked Blast Corps and Star Fox 64, but GoldenEye is the crown jewel. Why is MS off its rocker, you ask? Because the team at Rare that was responsible for GoldenEye broke off and became Free Radical, who made TimeSplitters (and now TimeSplitters 2). TimeSplitters is, gameplay-wise, GoldenEye with bots and a level editor. Sadly for MS, TimeSplitters was released on PS2 as well, and TimeSplitters 2 is coming out for GameCube.
All the millions Microsoft paid are basically buying Perfect Dark 2, which is more or less the code for Perfect Dark with a few additions. Rare also has its undeserved reputation as a great development house.
Too bad MS wanted Rare's "legacy" all to itself, and paid $375,000,000 for it - and the true heir of GoldenEye is coming out for all three big consoles.
The point? Microsoft just doesn't care about the XBox. Its controller sucks, its games are subpar, and now MS is shelling out monstrous amounts of cash - that could have been paid to put another bug in Windows, mind you! - to acquire a paperweight of a development house.
Yippee.
The world can be wrong today for once.
1. is to wait and see the competitors flounder and stumble while getting their networks off the ground 2. learn from the mistakes 3. release Mario Kart Online(can't wait!)
Yes, there are some stupid lawsuits listed there, but I don't see anything comparable to enforced DRM,
Nintendo has always called emmulation illegal, and all nintendo systems have had DRM like technology to prevent people from making games without a license
abuse of monopoly power against software companies,
Remember when nintendo had a monopoly. You didn't make games unless you got permission from nintendo
abuse of monopoly power against hardware manufacturers,
Well, no one made the hardware but nintendo.
undocumented routines built into the OS to cripple applications from competitors, etc.
You were either with Nintendo, or your software wouldn't even run.
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Speaking of Microsoft throwing cash around...
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That was going to be Nintendo AND Sony's venture until Sony STOLE the entire thing behind Nintendo's back.
Don't you mean, until Nintendo told them to fuck off?
The orgional PS was a pretty shitty deal for nintendo anyway, and they did the right thing in rebuffing sony. (Sony would get all the rights to CD game licenses, etc.)
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Example: Why would people want to buy a Xbox when they have PS2 as an option?" or "Xbox licensing fees are far less than PS2's" This is a common occurrence. A visitor from space would think there were two consoles and wouldn't realize that the #2 console seller was the Nintendo Gamecube and not Xbox. Furthermore, the biggest moneymaker for most of the past 5 years or so is *gasp* Nintendo. Folks, let's not ignore Nintendo's Gamecube.
It would be quite a feat to buy a compan with a $4 billion dollar bank account for 2.5 billion.
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Interesting.
I remember Nintendo thanking Rare for supplying the 3D model in the credits, never specifially saying it was copyright Rare.
Either way, I'm sure the 3D model would have been one of the things Nintendo kept. Hell, they probably have the source to every Rare games since DKC1; they did own virtually half the company after all...
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The PSX had an internal MPEG decoder (allowing higher-quality, fullscreen playback of MPEG files than the SH2-bound softdecoding the Sega Saturn used), a 3D acceleration engine based around triangles instead of quads. Its SH2 CPUs were slower (even if there were two of them, not all games took advantage of SMP), and its overall MIPS level was lover than than of the PSX. It was also very hard to program for, as the SMP locking was beyond most game programmers, or wasn't really as beneficial as Sega had hoped. A shame, because the SMP parts were more expensive to build -- which led to Sega losing money on each unit.
;)).
The PSX won because of its games, possible because 3rd party people had an easy-to-use developer kit which provided easy MPEG playback for cut scenes, an easier to write for 3D engine (triangles vs. quads againt, remember the NV1? It failed because it was quad-based), and because it was easier to write UMP games than SMP ones (although Yu had Virtua Fighter running with each processor computing one of the players' characters, this was the exception).
Sometimes, superior systems do win even if people seem to think something else was superior (although the PS2 is another discussion
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i dunno, but i think that you're not going to see too many rare fans fawning for xbox because of this... judging by how many people here are panning this in this forum alone, it doesn't look like a sound decision. guess we'll see.
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You can always stop reading this site, or setup your own site which has to pay for its own bandwidth costs.
I mean, really, if they're wanting to give money away, who are you to question it? That's right, no one, because it's not your site, and you don't have to pay to run it. Thanks, YHL, HAND.
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The key devs all quit, and without those, and without the trademarks which they did not totally acquire, MS bought nothing but a press release for its third of a billion waste.... and a bunch of has-been overpaid employees.
This news is very interesting...
seeing as the fate of the xbox is determined on this christmas sales...
...and getting told by your boss, with a smile, that you now work for Microsoft instead. *twitch*
Hate me!
Thus if they get 'credible' console game manufacturers under the wing then they can get some 'respect'.
I.E. it certainly used to be the case that the Japanese refused to buy Xbox because it was not a 'real' console from a console company.
The Xbox is still pretty much a total turkey in the rest-of-the-world.
Microsoft always buy; and they always ruin (what they buy). What's amazing here is the nearly $400 million in cash. Looks like Gates will have to do without pizza next weekend.
I don't think MS are that stupid. This is a serious price tag, but a small %age of the cash already sunk into the Xbox, and a tiny %age of the MS fortune.
Remember that it only takes one game around Christmas to make or break a console. Sonic on the Sega was probably the biggest example of this - how many machines are out there in cupboards with JUST Sonic attached??
Rare have produced some amazing games in the past. If they have a pipeline full of concepts, part worked ideas, and part complete games that haven't made it into public knowledge yet maybe MS see another Sonic or two lurking in there...
Sure, a bunch of talent has moved on, and the last couple of years haven't been exactly rock and roll, but these things come in cycles.
Developers can and have left Rare. Anybody ever hear of Free Radical? It's a developement company composed of key members that made Goldeneye and Perefect Dark. The only good games I thought Rare ever had were those two. The Donkey Kong Country games just seemed like games where the goal is to collect stuff. The Banjo games seemed like Mario 64, with more collecting. Diddy Kong Racing was the worst of them all, Super Mario Kart 64... with more collecting... and I actually collected all the stupid coins with first place in all the races and I was awarded with... all the tracks mirrored so I could collect more wonderful coins... Does anybody see a pattern here? I don't think Rare has got much left.
We now might say that the probability of having those games ported to linux will be .. rare
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The original team that worked on it left Rare to set up their own company - Free Radical. If anyone were still in doubt about TS2's heritage, it kicks off with you launching an assault on a Russian dam. I might also add that the game is quite fantastic (TS1 didn't really impress me) with an absolutely massive number of multiplayer options and characters. Even better than Goldeneye I promise.
Jumping off a cliff to avoid a charging bull may improve your position, but only until you hit the ground. This is not a 'strategic acquisition'. Buying a game title house is the only option left in the face of a lack of developers volunteering to provide software titles. Why would an investor be encouraged by the spending of (presumed) capitol in order to obtain something that was originally expected to be forthcoming at no cost.
And it's not about the amount...no one cares if it is ten million or one....it is about the logic...or lack thereof. There is not enough attractive software for the xb, and the fact that MS is buying any software house only serves to show how much of an issue that really is. Good money after bad is bad business. I don't care if it's MS or Baskin Robbins.
And as for what I know that you don't...since you're using Enron math, I'm not even going to respond.
(I hate MS shills....they seem to think being assigned an indefensible position is some sort of badge of honor)
Bad pun I know, but... :)
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Rare on MS leaves bad taste in my mouth. If i were stamper bros. i would feel so ashame.
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Rare has 3 games left for cube. star fox adventures, and two gameboy games and then they done.
I never get xbox. I always own nintendo product for exclusive games. any thing else that is good i can get on pc so no need for xbox or ps2.
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People here have no humor sometimes.
When you have money to burn as M$ does, might as well use it, even if it fails, at least you get to stare at the flames.
Thereby drawing them ever closer to their goal -- wherever crappy software is sold, microsoft is close at hand! What a great idea. Nintendo dumps their stake because, big surprise, Nintendo cares about quality! Good for them, and I hope Microsoft has a great time figuring out that all the money in the world isn't what makes Mario cool.
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Also this adds up. MS will need over 1 billion PER YEAR just to keep XBox alive.
if donkey kong and star fox tried to have a baby
they'd be fags. and if they adopted a baby
everybody would just hate it anyway.
At least in this case, they were buying into the company to help them out of the sticky situation they got themselves into by making a poor and very expensive film, which put Square into dire financial difficulties. Can't blame Sony for that, IMHO
...Rare's development process can be summarized by a simple phrase:
"Stop N Swap"!
"I'm an old-fashioned type of guy. I worship the Sun and Moon as gods. And fear them."
Except...Naughty Dog is making Xbox games?...So...they WOULDN'T be Sony Exclusive?
GOD DAMNIT , MODERATE ME!
Rare sucked anyway.
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Just because if MS go into the game dev, then the few that have dare to follow MS on the X"-Suicide" process ...
... see MSX, LinuX, ... and now XBox :o)
;-)
Just remember that X have never been great for MS business
IMHO, MS will stop XBox within the next year or it will just sink them-selves. And Bill-III will never be agree for yet a Titanic shoot
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> Isn't this what Apple did with Shake, Rayz,
> Cubase, Spruce Tech, etc...?
When Steve Jobs was asked what he was going to do with the results of his shopping spree, he said "Democratize them". Just what part of making media creation tools cheaper and easier to use do you have a problem with?
> Howcome when Apple does it it's a good thing and
> when MS does it it's a bad thing...?
MS has a monopoly, Apple doesn't. Legally, that is like comparing Apples to rotten oranges. There are different rules.
Also, Apple is fighting for the consumer against the DRM insanity that Microsoft champions.
And finally, many of the companies that Apple has bought get a nice home, the ability to maintain their own identities, and to continue to serve their customers.
On the other hand, when Microsoft bought Bungie and I went to their site to get help on the OS X version of Oni, I was literally told to get my help from a brick wall, which they helpfully provided a picture of! Grrrr!
Windows: "Go talk to my friend, an 800 pound monopoly-abusing gorilla!"
Mac: "And here's my good buddy, the 66,000 ton Godzilla!"
Godzilla: Stomp!
1) Rare lack of titles and delays is directly related to the sub par hardware of the N64, realize this as SquareSoft did when they left 2) Perfect Dark is better then Goldeneye in every conceivable way other then framerate which again is directly related to the n64's hardware (Carts and RAMBUS memory did /. forget about the rambus?)
3) The Xbox is the most dominate peice of console hardware it uses a HD it has DVD it is not the N64)
4) Rare has 150+ employees the founders leaving doesnt matter they haven't coded anything in decades, wonder why there leaving? maybe because they'd like to retire with there millions morons.
5) Screw anyone that thinks Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Jet Force Gemini are not some of the best games ever produced on the N64.
6) without the hinderance of carts and with the addition of the best hardware in the industery they will make 5 games in two years believe it or not I could give a shit what moronic linux anti ms nerds think. =)
7) Perfect Dark will sell as much if not more copys then Halo 2 and going by Halo 1's sales that over 2 million copies easy
8) The N64 was marketed at kids no wonder Conkers didnt do well or Perfect Dark since these are both mature titles, hmm MS markets the Xbox towards ADULTS where M rated games will sell more then on the cutesy tincy wincy lil GameCube.
In closing I find you nerds disturbing, the Goldeneye lisense is owned by the people that own bond there will never be another Bond game by Rare, also make note that the vast majority of you are idiots that know nothing about video gaming because your too busy running your pretty lil linux boxes... so screw your score of 4-5 you don't know jack shit about this topic unfortunately for you, you come off like morons. Keep your mouth closed nerd boys if you don't know what the hell your talking about =)
Ummm... they got plenty of trademarks. And that's what Microsoft has been missing. The XBox has no mascot (neither does PS2 admittedly, but they've tried soooo hard to change that). That's what they want. Recognizable names. The programmers and game designers aren't important to them.
"If the good lord had intended us to walk, he wouldn't have invented roller skates." -Willy Wonka
And the most probable failure point on the other consoles is also present in the X-Box. So, there's two parts that are going to break in the X-Box compared to the one in the competitors' boxes.
It's telling when they pretty much have buy companies (Bungie, now Rare...) to put "exclusive" games on their console.
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Not hard to figure out. They help produce the movie and Square (who's game were exclusive to Sony's system) is grateful if it's successful and Square gets advertising.
If it fails, Square goes into financial straights and it's easier for Sony to buy up a big piece of it.
Either way, they win.
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J/K what's IE's percentage nowadays? 94% I'm praying that they'll support all W3C standards soon though. And not for cross-browser design issues. But there are zero books on Developing Webpages for IE.
Everything I read teaches the W3C ways. Like they should damnit.
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$50 billion? I think that was it.. so let's see, they can buy 149 more Rare-like game development companies. Wait a minute, there aren't that many! Why don't Sony and Nintendo throw in the towel now, while they can still walk away with cash?
Any references to back this up?
Video game programmers from Europe RULE.
They are second to none in fun, intuitive games.
A close runner-up are the boys in Austin.
Back on topic:
Rare really extended the SNES's life, and pushed the limits of the system.
Donkey Kong Country (okay, so the sequels were just new art)
Killer Instinct
They also made great games for the N64, like Goldeneye. Being from PC land with Quake and all, I wasn't real impressed by the multiplay/graphics/play control but the rest of the world was!
Its been a long time since MS and Apple were enemies. I think that stopped about the time MS bought a large, but not controlling chunk of Apple
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I guess if they can't build a better mouse trap, at least they can buy up all the other mousetrap manufacturers out there and make them stamp an MS logo on them.
All during an Anti-Trust trial where they've been found guilty of abusing Monopoly power. Sigh.
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Rare games suck, seems to be a nice fit
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Except...Naughty Dog is making Xbox games?...So...they WOULDN'T be Sony Exclusive?
Naughty Dog was only acquired last month by Sony.
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Microsoft already has Ken Lobb working in the upper part of the XBox development hierarchy... If anyone remembers Nintendo's "Killer Instinct" series of fighting games (originally developed to showcase the "Ultra 64" technology (which became the N64))... I believe Rare worked on this series with Nintendo, Mr. Lobb was also pretty involved with these as well (in addition to Donkey Kong Country, which Rare developed most of the technology for). (If anyone remembers the old promo video that Nintendo sent Nintendo Power subscribers when the series was first coming out) I don't know who owns the rights to the series, but I would put bets on Rare since Nintendo hasn't shown any interest in the series since KI2. Let's see, figthing games have been fairly popular on PS2 and SSB:M is still popular on GC. Would it be far fetched to say that MS would be looking to add a second fighting franchise alongside DoA? It could be possible on the grounds of Ken's experience in the past with Rare.
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Great. I've always wanted to see Conker walk out with a big bottle of beer and curse at the X-Box when it can't load a CD!
Will Microsoft have him do something to PCs when Windows bluescreens, too?
Like you know anything about this space, you clueless fuck.
Now this British hot bed of talent has access to Dollars. I suspect that if they have the will (cash incentives) they could produce an incredible amount of new magic.
Only thing is if MS dilute the brand and don't leave it autonomous they will piss the developers off and they won't attract the best - any more. Who wants to work for MS?
So you dumb dogs, you gots it now. Well pump heaps of money in and keep the f. out of it!
I should think Nintendo would like a decent fight from a decent adversary.
You guys play dirty with your obvious tactics like not allowing Cube games to be demo'd in British stores!1 tut tut. Not honourable. And you lose cred. points. Your karma already way stinky!
Quality not just Expensive but Substantive. If MS can get there heads around that (Rare culture). This is Unlikely.
I hope MS fall flat on their faces and Rare talent gets a break, somehow. God knows we need something we can be proud of in this country that is also owned by our own residents and reflects our own culture. Otherwise it ain't Art it's Pandering. And the punters Will spot the difference. IMHO.
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What the hell do you know, you cock-grabbing ass pounder? You don't even have the balls to post with an acount. You probably enjoyed Perfect Dark because you got to experience being a woman, you sick homo.
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Seems you know all about cock-grabbing and ass pounding, since you were infatuated with a picture of a guy's ass for the longest time.
Sucking daddy's cock all those years has dulled your mind, shitstain.
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