I call your goal chaos not society. Plutocracy, not democracy.
Enjoy your democracy when 51% of the people vote to kill you and your family. Also, did you forget that most social programs didn't exist in the US a few hundred years ago and we managed to not have chaos?
Enjoy your drive home on state and other-taxpayer funded road.
I will, since I'll be driving it in MY car, driving down a road I paid for. I get a benefit from roads; I don't get benefits help YOU eat, or keep your fat ass alive when you should be dead of diabetes or some other obesity related disease.
Whats wrong, can't get any? Can't handle that other guys can hookup with girls and you can't? I guess girls who are raped are also asking for it... because we can't have people enjoying that dirty, sinful sex can we?
Correct. I do not hold Ryder or any of the other companies that supplied Timothy McVeigh with the supplies that he used during the Oklahoma city bombing. Nor do I hold Boeing, American Airlines, nor United Airlines for providing planes to terrorists. Provided, of course, that they had no knowledge of what those supplies were intended for.
You're trying to setup a strawman here, and its not going to work. The apt comparison is that a single person sold all the materials to make a bomb... and the most logical conclusion of buying all those items together is that their intent it to build a bomb. Simiarlly, if this guy did one task of 30 required to play pirated games on the ps3, I wouldn't say he should be in jail. But it was just him, and the most logical reason for one to pay him to hack the ps3 (or whatever console) was to allow the owner to play a pirated game.
If this guy was telling people they could play copyrighted games with the mod, or people were asking him to mod it and told him that it was for playing pirated games, then he should be charged as either an accomplice or an accessory to the crime. But if neither of that happens, then he should, IMO, not be held liable for the actions of others. Similarly, if McVeigh told the Ryder truck rental person that the purpose was a make-shift bomb, and the rental still took place, then the renter should be held liable as an accessory. If Mohamed Atta had told the ticketing agents the purpose for his flight and the sale still happened, then the agent ought to be held liable as an accessory.
Right... that is my point. This kid likely knew that he was helping people play pirated games. After all, that's the most compelling reason for most to want his services. (Those that want homebrew are likely interested enough to learn how to mod their own console). So I think its pretty safe to say he knew that the people who paid him were going to play pirated games... even if they didn't say it, he should have logically concluded it (much like someone selling every item needed to make a bomb should reasonabl conclude that the purchaser is planning to build a bomb).
The article doesn't say whether he was encouraging the modding for pirated content, nor does it say whether he was aware of any of his clients' specific purposes. Certainly I'm sure he was aware that pirated content was possible. Perhaps he knew and didn't care, maybe he operated under a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, or maybe he was outed because he refused to help someone who told them they wanted to pirate games. The article doesn't indicate any of that. However, In this article he is quoted as saying "If you're talking about piracy, I'm not helping you out." It's now up to the courts to decide, but if what he says is true, then I certainly don't think he should have been arrested, and this only highlights how stupid the DMCA anti-circumvention clause really is.
Ya right... "don't be playing pirated games, [wink wink nudge nudge]." I don't buy it, I believe he understood what his clients were going to do.
Your method here is idiocy. Banning an action that isn't a crime because it may lead to a crime is retarded. What about personal ownership of handcuffs? It's illegal for me to use them to arrest someone, and the other major use is rape; they can, in some cases, be used for bondage play, but that's what rope is for...
In many places it wouldn't be illegal for you to arrest someone and restrain them as necessary. Handcuffs are also NOT used in a majority of rapes either. I'd like to see your evidence to back that up though. But all one has to do is look on P2P and see its mostly illegal content. Someone else here posted a challege to show your burned discs next to your purchased ones. I'd like to find it again to see if anyone actually has... the fact is that most people aren't playing from backups, their pirating games.
I contend that the creation, distribution, and use of DeCSS is illegal, and also the primary use of DeCSS is to watch DVDs legitimately purchased on Linux; if you wish to rebut this, please make note that pirated DVDs won't be encrypted, and downloads will be transcoded without encryption. The primary purpose of CSS itself is to prevent piracy.
But we're not talking about DeCSS are we? We're talking about a guy taking money from people who are more than likely going to use their modded consoles to play pirated games. Also, it still does appear that DeCSS would be illegal, although no one is filing court cases over it anymore. Your comment on pirated DVDs backs me up though; while the pirated copy may not be encrypted, it was illegal hacking which allowed that unecrypted copy to be made.
I don't use multiple backgrounds -- I use one single background. I don't use slide transitions. I generally write my presentations entirely using the outline interface of Impress, except when I have to add pictures to help convey my point.
That noise you hear when giving your presentation is people yawning, because they are bored to tears. Seriously, its bad enough to have to listen to some jackass drone on and on... at least with something visual it spices things up just a bit.
Big changes in UI really do kill productivity and it take months until you finally shift focus away from how you are using software back to what you are doing with it.
Sounds like someone who hasn't used the ribbon. It was exteremly easy to find what you needed to do, and often allows you to do the same thing in less clicks than before.
And my point is that what the vast majority do matters immensely when deciding if something should be illegal or not. In this case, most of the modding is done for the purpose of playing pirated games.
However, that is because modding consoles is illegal (circumvention clause in the DMCA, which is a stupid law, IMO), not because modding allows someone else to do something else illegal (copyright infringement). You should never be held liable for the actions of others.
So its ok to supply the bomb making materials to the terrorists as long as you don't help them build or detonate the bomb? That's quite an interesting world view, but I have serious issues with it. Knowlingly helping people that are most likely going to use what you do for illegal acts is not ok to me.
So, if I modify your DVD player to not do any more non-encryption copy protection checking, which unlocks it for playing Japan-region DVDs, I should go to jail because you can also play copied DVDs that don't have the proper bits knocked out of them too?
If you're being paid to do it, and you do it for lots of people yes... because the fact is the majority of unlocking is to play pirated content... not imports. I'm sorry if you find that uncomfortable, and it wrecks your ability to watch imported DVDs, but that's how it is.
The fact that there is some legit uses doesn't negate that the most substanial use is pirating.
In effect, this is like if selling a shotgun were totally illegal, because you could kill someone with it. I could use a shotgun to go deer hunting. Well, I could also use it to go deer hunting out of season, which is illegal... I could even have a hunting license, but use the firearm before/between seasons, or use it on humans.
I've already addressed this comparision in another post.
Just because a court said something does not necessitate that something to make sense or have perfect wording. Those courts are headed by people, who make errors, and understand things less than 100% correctly.
So is language and dictionaries... you don't have a point.
Of course, why not? That 40% of the population represent 40% of people who *could* be working and adding to the economy, but weren't. Or do you really think that women entering the workforce en masse had absolutely nothing to do with the incredible economic recovery and progress after WWII?
They could work, but they weren't. So its really irrelevent that they COULD do something. And no, women entering the workforce post WWII didn't have an impact on recovery; we say the same thing after WW1. Its because Europe needed rebuilding, and our factories had not been destroyed. That's more true in WW II, when war really DID hit everywhere... and not just along a line of trenches which remained mostly stationary.
Until recently the majority view seemed to be it would be good forever. In the UK the Chancellor of the Exchequer said every year for years that there was an "end to boom and bust" and went on about sustainable growth. The banks and housing market acted as if it would never end. Professional people who are *supposed to know better* thought it was different this time. It's hardly fair to expect ordinary people to know different.
Give me a break. Anyone that really believed that was an idiot. Saying they should believe a professional is telling everyone to yield to appeals to authority. No, you question professionals, even as a layman. You should be suspicous of any claim... especially one like that saying "this will never happen again." Such statements are stupid on their face. Hell, even doctors should be questioned, whihc is why you're always advised to get second opinions, and sometime even research on your own.
Even in a recession, an unemployment rate of 5% or so looks very small unless you're *in* the 5%.
Irrelevent. Overall, 5% is good. Of course for an individual to be unemployed is not good for the individiual, but overall 5% is just fine. Or do you make a mountain out of every molehill you find?
OK... that's not quite what I meant, and I was exaggerating. My point is that suddenly for the first time I had money enough to live on my own and buy toys and save money. My friends with the same qualifications (some of who worked alot harder than I did) barely scraped by. What is expected and what is fair is whatever you make up, there is no 'standard'.
No, fair implies a standard. Your wages are fair for your field if they are in line with what pretty much everyone else is making in your field. Saying that you deserve more (or less), or your profession deserves more is what you're making up. Just because you feel it should be so doesn't mean it should... and that's the bubble these morons are living in. They think that they should have it, just because they want it.
I have a message for anyone that thinks like that: go fuck yourself.
Not quite the same. In the modding, the pirating is theft. With guns, they do in fact allow you to kill someone... the truth of the matter is that in this world, sometimes that's the only way you have to defend your own life and property. There's no right to be able to make a backup of a game. There's no right to steal a game either, which is mainly what this is used for.
The vast majority of guns and gun owners are law abiding citizens who are interested in a way to defend themselves, because they understand the cops are useless. The truth of the console modding is that the vast majority of the modders are doing it to steal a game, not play from a backup.
Now, what we have here is a law that basically says that if you or a friend buys a hardware device, and then alters that device in a certain way for personal use, you lose 10 years of your life rotting in a prison cell OR you get a major huge fine that cripples your credit for life and prevents you from getting loans for cars/houses/etc and possibly clearance (fucks your career). Does this sound good to you?
Um, yes, this sound totally fine to me. If you help a friend with a hardware device such that it steals people's pin numbers when a debit card is inserted, you should spend 10 years rotting in jail with your career fucked. In this case, people are helping people to make use of stolen goods. I don't have a problem.
How is it more realistic? Before women really entered the workforce in mass, if you counted people not WANTING to work you'd have something like a 40% unemployement rate. In the 20s for example, women made up only 25% of the workforce... yet they are half the population. And you think it'd be realistic to count all those people as unemployed? I'd like to point out that in the early 20s the economy was doing just fine, BTW... so I don't know how you can seriously claim its important to understanding the health of the economy.
Basically, by including discouraged and marginally attached workers in the statistics, you see a more realistic picture of employment in the nation. Does that mean that the average number, even on good years, will appear higher (because of stay-at-home moms and so forth)? Yes, of course.
Your entire outlook is based on experience and what you are told, there's no other source of information.
You're right, there's no news, nothing else in the world but parents and teachers. Had one of them actually tried for a job and failed (and most teens trying to find jobs don't land the first one, I suspect) they should realize there's no such thing as a sure thing.
As for "studying history", what specific history do you think would help here? Statistics of people getting their dream jobs based on their educational background? Where do you find that then?
Hmm... how about any previous recession? They do learn about the Great Depression right? The whole point of learning about it would be to warn that something like that could happen again. Surely no one really believes that something can NEVER happen again? If you believe that blindly... I don't know what to say, other than such a person is stupid beyond belief.
"Too good to be true" is entirely based on perspective and experience. I thought it was too good to be true when I started working in a programming job and could do a job I liked *and* get paid a descent salary. Obviously it wasn't too good, it was entirely fair, but up until then I had had to *pay* a university to learn about computers.
WTF? Before programming as a paid job, you REALLY thought EVERY person hated their job? There's a job out there for any person that they would enjoy... they only have to find it. I find it really hard to believe you honestly felt there were NO jobs that you would actually enjoy and get a decent salary. That's incrediably shortsighted.
As far as paying to learn about computers... most decent jobs require you to put out a fairly large bill for education... and of course if the majority of the time the degree meant nothing, I think you'd find that the degree wouldn't be offered in the future.
See, I don't really buy the "backup" arguement. Call it a hunch, but I suspect most people aren't having the console hacked to make backup discs to play with... sorry. Just like people DO use things like p2p to get legit content, most of it is pirated.
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Oh you're right... we should never change anything, ever. Because there will be a onetime cost to relearn. Gotcha.
I call your goal chaos not society. Plutocracy, not democracy.
Enjoy your democracy when 51% of the people vote to kill you and your family. Also, did you forget that most social programs didn't exist in the US a few hundred years ago and we managed to not have chaos?
Enjoy your drive home on state and other-taxpayer funded road.
I will, since I'll be driving it in MY car, driving down a road I paid for. I get a benefit from roads; I don't get benefits help YOU eat, or keep your fat ass alive when you should be dead of diabetes or some other obesity related disease.
See the difference?
Whats wrong, can't get any? Can't handle that other guys can hookup with girls and you can't? I guess girls who are raped are also asking for it... because we can't have people enjoying that dirty, sinful sex can we?
Ya, and the only thing we see on that blog is a screenshot of how much memory chkdsk is using. Then he claims it crashes..
Sorry if I don't just blindly believe everything on the internet.
But it is. Forcing people to work not to benefit themselves, but others? I call that slavery, not freedom.
Correct. I do not hold Ryder or any of the other companies that supplied Timothy McVeigh with the supplies that he used during the Oklahoma city bombing. Nor do I hold Boeing, American Airlines, nor United Airlines for providing planes to terrorists. Provided, of course, that they had no knowledge of what those supplies were intended for.
You're trying to setup a strawman here, and its not going to work. The apt comparison is that a single person sold all the materials to make a bomb... and the most logical conclusion of buying all those items together is that their intent it to build a bomb. Simiarlly, if this guy did one task of 30 required to play pirated games on the ps3, I wouldn't say he should be in jail. But it was just him, and the most logical reason for one to pay him to hack the ps3 (or whatever console) was to allow the owner to play a pirated game.
If this guy was telling people they could play copyrighted games with the mod, or people were asking him to mod it and told him that it was for playing pirated games, then he should be charged as either an accomplice or an accessory to the crime. But if neither of that happens, then he should, IMO, not be held liable for the actions of others. Similarly, if McVeigh told the Ryder truck rental person that the purpose was a make-shift bomb, and the rental still took place, then the renter should be held liable as an accessory. If Mohamed Atta had told the ticketing agents the purpose for his flight and the sale still happened, then the agent ought to be held liable as an accessory.
Right... that is my point. This kid likely knew that he was helping people play pirated games. After all, that's the most compelling reason for most to want his services. (Those that want homebrew are likely interested enough to learn how to mod their own console). So I think its pretty safe to say he knew that the people who paid him were going to play pirated games... even if they didn't say it, he should have logically concluded it (much like someone selling every item needed to make a bomb should reasonabl conclude that the purchaser is planning to build a bomb).
The article doesn't say whether he was encouraging the modding for pirated content, nor does it say whether he was aware of any of his clients' specific purposes. Certainly I'm sure he was aware that pirated content was possible. Perhaps he knew and didn't care, maybe he operated under a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, or maybe he was outed because he refused to help someone who told them they wanted to pirate games. The article doesn't indicate any of that. However, In this article he is quoted as saying "If you're talking about piracy, I'm not helping you out." It's now up to the courts to decide, but if what he says is true, then I certainly don't think he should have been arrested, and this only highlights how stupid the DMCA anti-circumvention clause really is.
Ya right... "don't be playing pirated games, [wink wink nudge nudge]." I don't buy it, I believe he understood what his clients were going to do.
Your method here is idiocy. Banning an action that isn't a crime because it may lead to a crime is retarded. What about personal ownership of handcuffs? It's illegal for me to use them to arrest someone, and the other major use is rape; they can, in some cases, be used for bondage play, but that's what rope is for...
In many places it wouldn't be illegal for you to arrest someone and restrain them as necessary. Handcuffs are also NOT used in a majority of rapes either. I'd like to see your evidence to back that up though. But all one has to do is look on P2P and see its mostly illegal content. Someone else here posted a challege to show your burned discs next to your purchased ones. I'd like to find it again to see if anyone actually has... the fact is that most people aren't playing from backups, their pirating games.
I contend that the creation, distribution, and use of DeCSS is illegal, and also the primary use of DeCSS is to watch DVDs legitimately purchased on Linux; if you wish to rebut this, please make note that pirated DVDs won't be encrypted, and downloads will be transcoded without encryption. The primary purpose of CSS itself is to prevent piracy.
But we're not talking about DeCSS are we? We're talking about a guy taking money from people who are more than likely going to use their modded consoles to play pirated games. Also, it still does appear that DeCSS would be illegal, although no one is filing court cases over it anymore. Your comment on pirated DVDs backs me up though; while the pirated copy may not be encrypted, it was illegal hacking which allowed that unecrypted copy to be made.
Well, when I first opened it, it flashed at me and I think it even had a popup, which drew my attention to it immediately.
I don't use multiple backgrounds -- I use one single background. I don't use slide transitions. I generally write my presentations entirely using the outline interface of Impress, except when I have to add pictures to help convey my point.
That noise you hear when giving your presentation is people yawning, because they are bored to tears. Seriously, its bad enough to have to listen to some jackass drone on and on... at least with something visual it spices things up just a bit.
Big changes in UI really do kill productivity and it take months until you finally shift focus away from how you are using software back to what you are doing with it.
Sounds like someone who hasn't used the ribbon. It was exteremly easy to find what you needed to do, and often allows you to do the same thing in less clicks than before.
And my point is that what the vast majority do matters immensely when deciding if something should be illegal or not. In this case, most of the modding is done for the purpose of playing pirated games.
However, that is because modding consoles is illegal (circumvention clause in the DMCA, which is a stupid law, IMO), not because modding allows someone else to do something else illegal (copyright infringement). You should never be held liable for the actions of others.
So its ok to supply the bomb making materials to the terrorists as long as you don't help them build or detonate the bomb? That's quite an interesting world view, but I have serious issues with it. Knowlingly helping people that are most likely going to use what you do for illegal acts is not ok to me.
So, if I modify your DVD player to not do any more non-encryption copy protection checking, which unlocks it for playing Japan-region DVDs, I should go to jail because you can also play copied DVDs that don't have the proper bits knocked out of them too?
If you're being paid to do it, and you do it for lots of people yes... because the fact is the majority of unlocking is to play pirated content... not imports. I'm sorry if you find that uncomfortable, and it wrecks your ability to watch imported DVDs, but that's how it is.
The fact that there is some legit uses doesn't negate that the most substanial use is pirating.
In effect, this is like if selling a shotgun were totally illegal, because you could kill someone with it. I could use a shotgun to go deer hunting. Well, I could also use it to go deer hunting out of season, which is illegal... I could even have a hunting license, but use the firearm before/between seasons, or use it on humans.
I've already addressed this comparision in another post.
Just because a court said something does not necessitate that something to make sense or have perfect wording. Those courts are headed by people, who make errors, and understand things less than 100% correctly.
So is language and dictionaries... you don't have a point.
It's well past Windows in terms of usability and elegance.
Wow, what the fuck are shooting up?
Of course, why not? That 40% of the population represent 40% of people who *could* be working and adding to the economy, but weren't. Or do you really think that women entering the workforce en masse had absolutely nothing to do with the incredible economic recovery and progress after WWII?
They could work, but they weren't. So its really irrelevent that they COULD do something. And no, women entering the workforce post WWII didn't have an impact on recovery; we say the same thing after WW1. Its because Europe needed rebuilding, and our factories had not been destroyed. That's more true in WW II, when war really DID hit everywhere... and not just along a line of trenches which remained mostly stationary.
Until recently the majority view seemed to be it would be good forever. In the UK the Chancellor of the Exchequer said every year for years that there was an "end to boom and bust" and went on about sustainable growth. The banks and housing market acted as if it would never end. Professional people who are *supposed to know better* thought it was different this time. It's hardly fair to expect ordinary people to know different.
Give me a break. Anyone that really believed that was an idiot. Saying they should believe a professional is telling everyone to yield to appeals to authority. No, you question professionals, even as a layman. You should be suspicous of any claim... especially one like that saying "this will never happen again." Such statements are stupid on their face. Hell, even doctors should be questioned, whihc is why you're always advised to get second opinions, and sometime even research on your own.
Even in a recession, an unemployment rate of 5% or so looks very small unless you're *in* the 5%.
Irrelevent. Overall, 5% is good. Of course for an individual to be unemployed is not good for the individiual, but overall 5% is just fine. Or do you make a mountain out of every molehill you find?
OK... that's not quite what I meant, and I was exaggerating. My point is that suddenly for the first time I had money enough to live on my own and buy toys and save money. My friends with the same qualifications (some of who worked alot harder than I did) barely scraped by. What is expected and what is fair is whatever you make up, there is no 'standard'.
No, fair implies a standard. Your wages are fair for your field if they are in line with what pretty much everyone else is making in your field. Saying that you deserve more (or less), or your profession deserves more is what you're making up. Just because you feel it should be so doesn't mean it should... and that's the bubble these morons are living in. They think that they should have it, just because they want it.
I have a message for anyone that thinks like that: go fuck yourself.
Interesting assertion, because at least the PS3 doesn't enforce region locking for games. Do you only know people with modded xboxes?
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/23/playstation-3-to-ship-region-free/
Not quite the same. In the modding, the pirating is theft. With guns, they do in fact allow you to kill someone... the truth of the matter is that in this world, sometimes that's the only way you have to defend your own life and property. There's no right to be able to make a backup of a game. There's no right to steal a game either, which is mainly what this is used for.
The vast majority of guns and gun owners are law abiding citizens who are interested in a way to defend themselves, because they understand the cops are useless. The truth of the console modding is that the vast majority of the modders are doing it to steal a game, not play from a backup.
Now, what we have here is a law that basically says that if you or a friend buys a hardware device, and then alters that device in a certain way for personal use, you lose 10 years of your life rotting in a prison cell OR you get a major huge fine that cripples your credit for life and prevents you from getting loans for cars/houses/etc and possibly clearance (fucks your career). Does this sound good to you?
Um, yes, this sound totally fine to me. If you help a friend with a hardware device such that it steals people's pin numbers when a debit card is inserted, you should spend 10 years rotting in jail with your career fucked. In this case, people are helping people to make use of stolen goods. I don't have a problem.
IIRC, they also now belive it works in conjuction with the gail bladder to help break down fats.
Given that the researchers indicate those without a spleen die earlier, I'd say we still need said organs.
How is it more realistic? Before women really entered the workforce in mass, if you counted people not WANTING to work you'd have something like a 40% unemployement rate. In the 20s for example, women made up only 25% of the workforce... yet they are half the population. And you think it'd be realistic to count all those people as unemployed? I'd like to point out that in the early 20s the economy was doing just fine, BTW... so I don't know how you can seriously claim its important to understanding the health of the economy.
Basically, by including discouraged and marginally attached workers in the statistics, you see a more realistic picture of employment in the nation. Does that mean that the average number, even on good years, will appear higher (because of stay-at-home moms and so forth)? Yes, of course.
This just makes the number meaningless.
Your entire outlook is based on experience and what you are told, there's no other source of information.
You're right, there's no news, nothing else in the world but parents and teachers. Had one of them actually tried for a job and failed (and most teens trying to find jobs don't land the first one, I suspect) they should realize there's no such thing as a sure thing.
As for "studying history", what specific history do you think would help here? Statistics of people getting their dream jobs based on their educational background? Where do you find that then?
Hmm... how about any previous recession? They do learn about the Great Depression right? The whole point of learning about it would be to warn that something like that could happen again. Surely no one really believes that something can NEVER happen again? If you believe that blindly... I don't know what to say, other than such a person is stupid beyond belief.
"Too good to be true" is entirely based on perspective and experience. I thought it was too good to be true when I started working in a programming job and could do a job I liked *and* get paid a descent salary. Obviously it wasn't too good, it was entirely fair, but up until then I had had to *pay* a university to learn about computers.
WTF? Before programming as a paid job, you REALLY thought EVERY person hated their job? There's a job out there for any person that they would enjoy... they only have to find it. I find it really hard to believe you honestly felt there were NO jobs that you would actually enjoy and get a decent salary. That's incrediably shortsighted.
As far as paying to learn about computers... most decent jobs require you to put out a fairly large bill for education... and of course if the majority of the time the degree meant nothing, I think you'd find that the degree wouldn't be offered in the future.
See, I don't really buy the "backup" arguement. Call it a hunch, but I suspect most people aren't having the console hacked to make backup discs to play with... sorry. Just like people DO use things like p2p to get legit content, most of it is pirated.
No, he's being put away because he profitted helping people play pirated games.