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Prehistoric Gene Reawakened To Battle HIV

Linuss points out research published in PLoS Biology that demonstrates the reawakening of latent human cells' ability to manufacture an HIV defense. A group of scientists led by Nitya Venkataraman began with the knowledge that Old World monkeys have a built-in immunity to HIV: a protein that can prevent HIV from entering cell walls and starting an infection. They examined the human genome for any evidence of a latent gene that could manufacture such a protein, and found the capability in a stretch of what has been dismissively termed "junk DNA." "In this work, we reveal that, upon correction of the premature termination codon in theta-defensin pseudogenes, human myeloid cells produce cyclic, antiviral peptides (which we have termed 'retrocyclins'), indicating that the cells retain the intact machinery to make cyclic peptides. Furthermore, we exploited the ability of aminoglycoside antibiotics to read-through the premature termination codon within retrocyclin transcripts to produce functional peptides that are active against HIV-1. Given that the endogenous production of retrocyclins could also be restored in human cervicovaginal tissues, we propose that aminoglycoside-based topical microbicides might be useful in preventing sexual transmission of HIV-1."

360 comments

  1. Prehistoric? by ringbarer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Praise Raptor Jesus!

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    1. Re:Prehistoric? by oracleofbargth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Aargh. Is this -1 Troll, or +1 Funny? /* brain explodes */

    2. Re:Prehistoric? by interploy · · Score: 1

      When all else fails, send in the dinosaurs.

    3. Re:Prehistoric? by gnick · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can't tell me that you've never copied and pasted your old code and just commented out the blocks you didn't need, can you?

      Of course, I'll admit that there could be some other explanation...

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    4. Re:Prehistoric? by robotkid · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's better than that! It's a premature stop codon, which basically means someone inserted a semicolon the middle of a line of previously functional expression (but hey, it still compiles!). And if you can decipher what the comments mean, free trip to Stockholm!

    5. Re:Prehistoric? by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a bit more like putting "return;" in the middle of a function – the rest of the function is still there, but it never runs.

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    6. Re:Prehistoric? by Jonny_eh · · Score: 5, Funny

      But a good compiler would've seen it was useless code and removed it. God needs to upgrade to gcc 4.3.3

    7. Re:Prehistoric? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Maybe God programs in machine code.

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    8. Re:Prehistoric? by gnick · · Score: 1

      This is God here. He need not gcc 4.3.3 - He writes only in Assembly (thus the evidence of copypasta code - If I was writing that many programs of that length, I'd re-use as much as possible.)

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    9. Re:Prehistoric? by soconn · · Score: 0

      Jurassic Pork?

    10. Re:Prehistoric? by N!k0N · · Score: 1

      Just make sure your house is secure.

    11. Re:Prehistoric? by deroby · · Score: 1

      I wonder what's the funniest part of your post
      => the contents
      => the fact that it got Score:5, Interesting

      Boy oh boy....

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    12. Re:Prehistoric? by BForrester · · Score: 1

      If you believe the urban legend, it was the lack of monkey condoms that started the whole HIV thing.

    13. Re:Prehistoric? by markhb · · Score: 1

      And if you can decipher what the comments mean, free trip to Stockholm!

      I'll go with "We apologize for the inconvenience." DNA quoting DNA.

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    14. Re:Prehistoric? by Urkki · · Score: 3, Funny

      But a good compiler would've seen it was useless code and removed it. God needs to upgrade to gcc 4.3.3

      We weren't intended as release version, so full optimization options were not used when compiling. But once our DNA worked... Well, if it works, and if recompiling with different options might break it... Just ship it! Too bad God remembered to strip the symbols at that point, because if he had left them in, we wouldn't have this silly evolution vs. intelligent design argument at all, and wouldn't have to figure out everything about our DNA by ourselves.

    15. Re:Prehistoric? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DNA is released under the GPL. You have to distribute the source with the end product.

    16. Re:Prehistoric? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but we let women do the compiling ...

    17. Re:Prehistoric? by auld_wyrm · · Score: 1

      Simmons!?! Is that you?

    18. Re:Prehistoric? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Too bad God remembered to strip the symbols at that point, because if he had left them in, we wouldn't have this silly evolution vs. intelligent design argument at all, and wouldn't have to figure out everything about our DNA by ourselves.

      Who says he stripped the symbols? Or even the comments? There's a LOT of "junk DNA" in there. Maybe we just need to learn the language and/or finish reverse-engineering the load file format.

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    19. Re:Prehistoric? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      DNA is released under the GPL. You have to distribute the source with the end product.

      Nope. Just the executable object (loaded and running).

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    20. Re:Prehistoric? by JuzzFunky · · Score: 1

      "Prehistoric Gene"

      Which of our genes don't predate history?

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    21. Re:Prehistoric? by mambodog · · Score: 1

      You mean like, TL;DR

    22. Re:Prehistoric? by multiplexo · · Score: 1

      We weren't intended as release version, so full optimization options were not used when compiling. But once our DNA worked... Well, if it works, and if recompiling with different options might break it... Just ship it! Too bad God remembered to strip the symbols at that point, because if he had left them in, we wouldn't have this silly evolution vs. intelligent design argument at all, and wouldn't have to figure out everything about our DNA by ourselves.

      Yeah, but wouldn't we have like, 300 chromosomes or something?

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    23. Re:Prehistoric? by Shaiku · · Score: 1

      You're all fools -- DNA is an interpreted language. There's no compiler and therefore no compile-time errors. Genetic syntax errors manifest at runtime. Cystic fibrosis: Runtime Error 203 Down syndrome: Runtime Error 216 Duchenne muscular dystrophy: Runtime Error 223 We're coded in BASIC.

    24. Re:Prehistoric? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1
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    25. Re:Prehistoric? by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that sacred texts are the equivalent of Linux documentation for life?

      It makes so much sense now! God hates to do documentation, so he makes others write it for him... ...and Moses was just a technical writer, wow...

      X-D

      (All tongue-in-cheek, btw.)

  2. Prehistoric Gene FTW! by Snotman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AIDS is pwned. Good for us and our "junk" DNA. One man's junk is another man's treasure!

    1. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just don't stick your junk in the wrong treasure and you'll be fine.

    2. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by kalirion · · Score: 5, Funny

      One man's junk is another man's treasure!

      I'll just treasure my own junk, thank you very much.

    3. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by TheTick21 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're posting on /.

      It goes without saying that you're the only one to treasure your junk.

    4. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Yeah, turns out there's all kinds of amazing opportunities hidden in our junk DNA. A cure for AIDS, and chances to Win Fabulous Prizes!

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    5. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by bgillespie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yarr... Indeed, but don't forget to mention cursed booty.

    6. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if junk is your treasure?

    7. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by Garbad+Ropedink · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately no. By using the 'pwned' in reference to a potentially major scientific breakthrough you've actually made AIDS mutate to become airborne and highly contagious.

      It's called the 'Nantucket Principle'. Where using idiotic phrases in reference to intelligent work causes the work to be destroyed.

      Another case of this principle at work was when the Wright brothers tried their first airplane prototype. Just before they were going to do their first test flight Orville said something to the effect of 'We are going to codfloddle this strumpet!' which caused Bernoulli's principle to completely change, setting flight back many years.

      So you have to watch it.

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    8. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by big_oaf · · Score: 2

      My kingdom for mod points! Cursed booty... ha! I'm a sucker for pirate speak.

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    9. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

      Junk DNA is one of the greatest misnomers in genetics. It basically arose because people didn't understand the purpose of a particular gene, or they found (as in this case) that a sequence was prematurely terminated due to an encoding error, which could only be detected via comparison to another working copy from another source.

      This opens up a new field of bug detection: looking for broken code, figuring out what patch is needed and then figuring out what you could do with the repaired gene. This is going to call for vast amounts of computer simulations.

      In this case we were led to a solution to the breakage by a similar gene in another species. But there must be millions of broken genes laying about that might re-enable some traits, anything from gills to the ability to smell tyrannosaur breath. (Pedants: Look, its a joke, please don't bother pointing out the time line here, Ok?).

      There seems a tendency to assume all "lost things", (genes, knowledge, secrets of the universe, methods of building pyramids, etc) are of immense value, and far superior to knowledge we have today. (Slashdotters will surely have a term for this.) Not everything lost is desirable. This is one example that may well be.

      Many species might be expected to genetically re-energize, by natural means, any lost protection in the face of a re-appearing threat. That might take eons. If this discovery leads to a treatment, it will be signal the dawn of genetic dumpster diving on a huge scale.

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    10. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Put your junk in that box

    11. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by s0l1dsnak3123 · · Score: 0, Troll

      One man's junk is another man's treasure!

      Sorry, I'm not gay.

    12. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Than shouldn't you say:
      "My armada for mod points?"

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    13. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by FluffyArmada · · Score: 1

      "Time line?! This is no time to argue about time! We don't have the time. What was I saying?"

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    14. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by Jabroney · · Score: 1

      LOL ^5

    15. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by multiplexo · · Score: 1

      Junk DNA is one of the greatest misnomers in genetics. It basically arose because people didn't understand the purpose of a particular gene, or they found (as in this case) that a sequence was prematurely terminated due to an encoding error, which could only be detected via comparison to another working copy from another source.

      This opens up a new field of bug detection: looking for broken code, figuring out what patch is needed and then figuring out what you could do with the repaired gene. This is going to call for vast amounts of computer simulations.

      In this case we were led to a solution to the breakage by a similar gene in another species. But there must be millions of broken genes laying about that might re-enable some traits, anything from gills to the ability to smell tyrannosaur breath. (Pedants: Look, its a joke, please don't bother pointing out the time line here, Ok?).

      There seems a tendency to assume all "lost things", (genes, knowledge, secrets of the universe, methods of building pyramids, etc) are of immense value, and far superior to knowledge we have today. (Slashdotters will surely have a term for this.) Not everything lost is desirable. This is one example that may well be.

      Many species might be expected to genetically re-energize, by natural means, any lost protection in the face of a re-appearing threat. That might take eons. If this discovery leads to a treatment, it will be signal the dawn of genetic dumpster diving on a huge scale.

      Why would a seemingly useful adaptation such as this one end up being selected against? So, suppose you have a group of people, one group is descended from people who somehow got their theta-defensin production shut down by a coding error, prematurely terminating the sequence, and another group of people who can still produce theta-defensins, wouldn't the second group have a huge advantage over the first and be naturally selected for? Are there perhaps some people out there who have super-duper immune systems because their theta-defensin production still works. Obviously it happened, but from my understanding of natural selection it seems that the second group would predominate over the first unless there was some disadvantage to theta-defensin production (auto-immune disorders?) that ended up selecting against it.

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    16. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by icebike · · Score: 1

      Traits are selected FOR, more than they are selected against. When this amunity was no longer needed it fell into disrepair.

      Natural selection expends no energy suppressing traits that are not harmfull, nor maintaining those that offer no advantage.

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    17. Re:Prehistoric Gene FTW! by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      if it gives no advantage or even a tiny disadvantage because your body is expending energy on a defence against something which hasn't been encountered in generations then it will become less common in the population.

  3. The Dilemma by geegel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know what's scarier: the fact that a story with this sort of language made it to the front page or the fact that I understood it completely.

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    1. Re:The Dilemma by Raleel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      go read the abstract. I understood that and was thinking the same thing. also along with an obligatory holy shit that's awesome.

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    2. Re:The Dilemma by jerep · · Score: 1

      If you're scared of being smart, you're up for a big surprise!

    3. Re:The Dilemma by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      The thing that's bothering me is that of all the big words in that summary, the only one I understood was "cervicovaginal".

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    4. Re:The Dilemma by mewsenews · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm glad that people like you are around. As the typical Slashdot IT/computer geek, it means a great deal to me to rub shoulders with intelligent people in specialized fields. *respeck knucks*

    5. Re:The Dilemma by Nyall · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, You know what 'cervicovaginal tissues' means.

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    6. Re:The Dilemma by Muad'Dave · · Score: 5, Funny

      So they uncommented the gene in 'DNA.xml', and modified its XSL 'DNA2Cell.xsl' so that it would parse again?

      How cool is that?

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    7. Re:The Dilemma by Andr+T. · · Score: 1

      Can you make an analogy involving cars? That would be usefull to many people here.

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    8. Re:The Dilemma by H0p313ss · · Score: 4, Funny

      So they uncommented the gene in 'DNA.xml', and modified its XSL 'DNA2Cell.xsl' so that it would parse again?

      If there is a bio-chemist stupid enough use XSL in a production environment... damn that's a scary thought.

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    9. Re:The Dilemma by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Informative

      Can you make an analogy involving cars? That would be usefull to many people here.

      They've finally found a use for the tail fins on a 1962 Impala. Now they're looking in junk yards to find some good copies of them and plan to weld them on to next year's Prius.

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    10. Re:The Dilemma by KnightMB · · Score: 1

      Can you make an analogy involving cars? That would be usefull to many people here.

      There was a flaw in the 1985 Delorean flux capacitor that would teleport you 99 years into the past when struck by lightning while in hover mode in the mid air. It was later discovered that the Delorean had a lightning rod built into the back that was never extended, and thus by activating the legacy lightning rod code (extending it upwards), it would defend against mid air lightning attacks.

      A good analogy is like a leaky screw-driver, glad I could help.

    11. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, I'm not knowledgeable enough to make use of this, but wouldn't a more accurate example be the modification of a corrupted end-of-exe indicator (either in the header file of an exe or at the end of data on the hard drive)?

      Though, I guess it's a lot less likely to have your DNA overwritten if your OS thinks a strand ends earlier than it does than it is for computers...
      In this case, their hack could be a-likened to a custom program that executes an executable past the incorrect limitation. Ironically the software not only works correctly, as desired, but it also doesn't conflict with updates in the rest of the software. (I'm sure they'll find some bugs though... I wonder how a human fetus would develop with this code enabled from the start?)

      Someone teach me. Going ogling didn't help. :(

    12. Re:The Dilemma by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, Microsoft just got a patent on it.

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    13. Re:The Dilemma by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Informative?

      We're doomed...

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    14. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the educational qualities of Internet pr0n...

    15. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unfortunately, the lightning rod sends the car forward 30 years...

    16. Re:The Dilemma by SBrach · · Score: 5, Informative

      I didn't understand it but it was the only word I was interested in enough to google.

    17. Re:The Dilemma by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      They've finally found a use for the tail fins on a 1962 Impala. Now they're looking in junk yards to find some good copies of them and plan to weld them on to next year's Prius.

      Finally they found something to make the Prius less butt ugly.
      Back on topic. I follow the HIV research quite a lot as I had a good friend die a few years back due to an infection related to AIDS, so I do read most of what is published. Perhaps I am wrong, but this sounds like it might have potential as a treatment as well as a preventative.

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    18. Re:The Dilemma by Fyzzle · · Score: 0

      The thing that's bothering me is that of all the big words in that summary, the only one I understood was "cervicovaginal".

      My mother was a saint! (storms off)

    19. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The better looking Prius is called Honda Civic Hybrid.

    20. Re:The Dilemma by gnick · · Score: 1

      Well, it made me feel a little smart, but only for a split second. When I read:

      ...we exploited the ability of aminoglycoside antibiotics to read-through the premature termination codon within retrocyclin transcripts to produce functional peptides that are active against HIV-1. Given that the endogenous production of retrocyclins could also be restored in human cervicovaginal tissues, we propose that aminoglycoside-based topical microbicides might be useful in preventing sexual transmission of HIV-1.

      and understood what I was being told, I felt good for putting it together without having to wait for a comment putting it in human terms.

      However, the fact that my reaction was, "Holy shit - That's fuckin' awesome!" brought my head back down to size. At least my reaction didn't include something even more sophisticated like, "Y'all are fixin' to really gussy up AIDS stompin'!"

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    21. Re:The Dilemma by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      This comment fits even better under this one.

    22. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XML? There's a patent for that!

    23. Re:The Dilemma by idlemachine · · Score: 1

      So they uncommented the gene in 'DNA.xml', and modified its XSL 'DNA2Cell.xsl' so that it would parse again?

      How cool is that?

      Unfortunately, MS just patented that very application of xml last week.

    24. Re:The Dilemma by Ironica · · Score: 2, Funny

      *respeck knucks*

      mewsenews is a terrorist! Get 'im!

      Sorry, too much Fox News exposure...

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    25. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Going ogling is often fun, but rarely educational about anything scientific.

    26. Re:The Dilemma by Missing_dc · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, You know what 'cervicovaginal tissues' means.

      That still does not mean he has ever felt or seen said tissues.

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    27. Re:The Dilemma by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      What's bad with eXtreme Sexual Looseness (aka Goatsism)?

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    28. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Informative?

      We're doomed...

      Yes...

      Talking about tail fins on an '62 Impala? The first Impla ever to be produced without tail fins?

      http://media.photobucket.com/image/impala%2062/danbenck/62%20Impala/62Impala11-8-06051.jpg

    29. Re:The Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you've had to listen to your wife complain about her body for hours at a time too?

      It's amazing how much you learn about females that you really never even needed to know. Ever.

    30. Re:The Dilemma by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      The better looking Prius is called Honda Civic Hybrid.

      My car is 20 years old, and I like it that way. I fully understand every part under the hood and can fix it myself.

      Get off my lawn!

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    31. Re:The Dilemma by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's amazing how much you learn about females that you really never even needed to know. Ever.

      Also amazing is how there are so many things I'd like to remember but can't, while that kind of knowledge is impossible to forget.

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    32. Re:The Dilemma by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      Actually the summary seems to say different. As I understood it -- Running boards on cars are useful, but present day cars don't have them. But they have found that Toyota Prius has built in mounting points for the running boards and they have actually managed to fit a running board on a Prius (oddly they fixed the running boards on to the surface of the exhaust pipe) and actually had FBI men stand on the running board to provide the security. They'll now study how good the FBI agents are at protecting Kennedy.

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    33. Re:The Dilemma by budgenator · · Score: 1

      In this case, their hack could be a-likened to a custom program that executes an executable past the incorrect limitation. Ironically the software not only works correctly, as desired, but it also doesn't conflict with updates in the rest of the software. (I'm sure they'll find some bugs though... I wonder how a human fetus would develop with this code enabled from the start?)

      Someone teach me. Going ogling didn't help. :(

      In this work, we reveal that, upon correction of the premature termination codon in theta-defensin pseudogenes, human myeloid cells produce cyclic, antiviral peptides (which we have termed "retrocyclins"), indicating that the cells retain the intact machinery to make cyclic peptides. Furthermore, we exploited the ability of aminoglycoside antibiotics to read-through the premature termination codon within retrocyclin transcripts to produce functional peptides that are active against HIV-1. Reawakening Retrocyclins: Ancestral Human Defensins Active Against HIV-1

      So they are turning on the intrupted gene

      An aminoglycoside is a molecule composed of a sugar group and an amino group.[1]

      Several aminoglycosides function as antibiotics that are effective against certain types of bacteria. They include amikacin, arbekacin, gentamicin, kanamycin, neomycin, netilmicin, paromomycin, rhodostreptomycin[2], streptomycin, tobramycin, and apramycin. Aminoglycoside

      Potentially with common antibacterial ointments

      Given that the endogenous production of retrocyclins could also be restored in human cervicovaginal tissues, we propose that aminoglycoside-based topical microbicides might be useful in preventing sexual transmission of HIV-1.

      that could be added to sexual/surgical lubricants like KY jelly; pretty impressive. I don't see where this would effect a fetus anymore than using neomycin ointment would.

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    34. Re:The Dilemma by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "At least my reaction didn't include something even more sophisticated like, "Y'all are fixin' to really gussy up AIDS stompin'!"

      Man..I hope they can cure/prevent AIDS.

      Man...if you can't get laid the day they cure AIDS, you're in serious trouble.

      Hehee...I see a lot of men getting divorce that day too!! "Sorry babe, but, I don't have to worry about croaking if I'm screwing around..been fun, later..."

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    35. Re:The Dilemma by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but isn't it rather difficult finding replacement parts for steam engines?

    36. Re:The Dilemma by R2.0 · · Score: 1
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    37. Re:The Dilemma by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "Yes, but isn't it rather difficult finding replacement parts for steam engines?"

      If you have a steam engine, you don't find replacement parts - you make them.

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    38. Re:The Dilemma by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      I manufacture my own parts.

      Get off my lawn!

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    39. Re:The Dilemma by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Still not so hot, now if they could use an injection or pill of some sort that would go around in an aidslike fashion turning this little critter on so that it wasn't yet another impediment to spontaneous and full contact sex they'd be on to something.

    40. Re:The Dilemma by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 1

      Of course. You're posting on slashdot. Otherwise you wouldn't have a clue of what it is, unless they wrote "pussy";.

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    41. Re:The Dilemma by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Amikacin

      Amikacin may be administered once or twice a day but must be given by the intravenous or intramuscular route. There is no oral form available. Dosage must be adjusted in people with kidney failure.

      Arbekacin

      Arbekacin (INN) is a semisynthetic aminoglycoside antibiotic. It is primarily used for the treatment of infections caused by multi-resistant bacteria including methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).[1][2] Arbekacin was originally synthesized from dibekacin in 1973. It has been registered and marketed in Japan since 1990 under the trade name Habekacin.[3] Arbekacin is no longer covered by patent and generic versions of the drug are also available under such trade names as Decontasin and Blubatosine.

      Gentamicin

      Gentamicin is an aminoglycoside antibiotic, used to treat many types of bacterial infections, particularly those caused by Gram-negative bacteria. However, gentamicin is not used for Neisseria gonorrhoeae, Neisseria meningitidis or Legionella pneumophila bacterial infections (because of the risk of the patient going into shock from lipid A endotoxin found in certain gram negative organisms).

      Kanamycin

      Kanamycin sulfate is an aminoglycoside antibiotic, available in both oral and intravenous forms, and used to treat a wide variety of infections. Kanamycin is isolated from Streptomyces kanamyceticus[1]. ... Kanamycin is not given to humans often because of its fairly toxic side-effects.

      Neomycin

      Neomycin is an aminoglycoside antibiotic that is found in many topical medications such as creams, ointments and eyedrops. ... It is not given intravenously, as neomycin is extremely nephrotoxic (causes kidney damage), especially compared to other aminoglycosides. The exception is when neomycin is included, in very small quantities, as a preservative in some vaccines - typically 0.025 mg per dose.[1]

      Netilmicin

      Netilmicin is a member of the aminoglycoside family of antibiotics. These antibiotics have the ability to kill a wide variety of bacteria. Netilmicin is not absorbed from the gut and is therefore only given by injection or infusion. It is only used in the treatment of serious infections particularly those resistant to gentamicin.

      Paromomycin sulfate (synonyms: monomycin, aminosidine[1]; brand name Humatin) is an aminoglycoside antibiotic, first isolated from Streptomyces krestomuceticus in 1950s.[2]
      It is an antibiotic designed to fight intestinal infections such as cryptosporidiosis,[3] amoebiasis,[4] and leishmaniasis.[5]
      The route of administration is intramuscular injection.

      Strptomycin

      Streptomycin is an antibiotic drug, the first of a class of drugs called aminoglycosides to be discovered, and was the first antibiotic remedy for tuberculosis. It is derived from the actinobacterium Streptomyces griseus. Streptomycin is a bactericidal antibiotic[3]. Streptomycin cannot be given orally, but must be administered by regular intramuscular injection. An adverse effect of this medicine is ototoxicity, which can lead to temporary hearing loss.

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    42. Re:The Dilemma by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      Hey I just spent a week trying to figure it out. What would you recommend instead?

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    43. Re:The Dilemma by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      91 jetta five speed, almost to 20 years old and 32 mpg in town.

  4. Wow, a new approach. by palegray.net · · Score: 1, Informative

    Maybe I just haven't been keeping up with the news on HIV research, but this would seem to be a truly novel approach to preventing transmission. Excellent work!

    1. Re:Wow, a new approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not a novel approach; its millions of years old! We just forgot how to make the protein :)

    2. Re:Wow, a new approach. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The longest I ever spent on a novel was a couple weeks. Millions of years? That's one long novel.....

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    3. Re:Wow, a new approach. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      You've never read war and peace have you.

      It feels like millions of years.

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  5. I do that all the time by TheTick21 · · Score: 5, Funny

    /* This code commented out because I'm sure they're going to change their mind and I don't want to redo all the work. */

    1. Re:I do that all the time by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've been known to break things by commenting out important sections, but causing AIDS?? Someone is about to have a hell of a performance review.

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    2. Re:I do that all the time by cabjf · · Score: 2, Funny

      /* This code has been commented out because it causes major bugs in the system. Will fix later. */

    3. Re:I do that all the time by Andr+T. · · Score: 1

      It happens all the time, or so it seems.

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    4. Re:I do that all the time by TheTick21 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just want to know how this bug got out of testing. You'd think "causes AIDS" would be a showstopper. They probably figured they could patch before the clients noticed.

    5. Re:I do that all the time by Razalhague · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nah, I bet it's

      /* seems to work faster without this */

    6. Re:I do that all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      /* This code commented out because I'm sure they're going to change their mind and I don't want to redo all the work. */

      CTACGCTACTAC#if0CTGACGTCA#endifCTGACA

    7. Re:I do that all the time by Ironica · · Score: 1

      I've been known to break things by commenting out important sections, but causing AIDS?? Someone is about to have a hell of a performance review.

      Yes, I get the humor.

      But... there's some slightly OCD part of me that HAS to point out that this doesn't "cause AIDS," it "deactivates a natural defense mechanism to AIDS." AIDS still exists. It's just that maybe humans could be rendered unsusceptible to it.

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    8. Re:I do that all the time by gnick · · Score: 1

      The problem is that it wasn't properly beta/field tested. They were so busy installing new features (walking upright, developing speech, sophisticated tool use, etc.) that the bugs became legacy.

      If you had a choice between getting your name on the version notes next to, "Added speech capability" or "Fixed legacy bug that nobody has had a problem with in over a million years", which project would you sign on to?

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    9. Re:I do that all the time by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You joke, but thats exactly why it would have been commented out. Without the selective pressure to keep it, its a waste of cellular effort, as are most adaptations. The reason it was still active in the monkey is the others died.

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    10. Re:I do that all the time by SloppySevenths · · Score: 1

      /* This code commented out because I'm sure they're going to change their mind and I don't want to redo all the work. */

      Hopefully for your co-workers you've learned to trust source control.

    11. Re:I do that all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to know how this bug got out of testing. You'd think "causes AIDS" would be a showstopper.

      Just RTFM, it clearly says to only sex up virgins.

    12. Re:I do that all the time by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine the meeting:

      QA: Yeah, we've found this problem where the humans can get AIDS. It's kind of a show-stopper.
      Manager: What's Dev got to say?
      Dev: Does it happen in the monkeys?
      QA: Nope.
      Dev: 'cause remember that you suggested that we just modify the monkeys in order to ship on time. We commented out a bunch of the monkey code.
      Manager: Well, can't you just uncomment it?
      Dev: Well, finding it might take some time...
      QA: And if they do that, we have to do a whole bunch of regression testing. I mean, who knows what other bugs could be introduced?
      Manager: Shit! The Boss is already on my case. "Where are the humans? They're supposed to ship on day 6!"
      Dev: Hey, man, I told you that the schedule was pretty unrealistic.
      Manager: Yeah, but you try explaining that to Him. *sigh* Okay...how can they generate this?
      QA: Well, if they get exposed to monkey blood so that it mixes with their own blood. Y'know, like, through a cut or something.
      Manager: Well, that's a pretty low possibility. Any other ways?
      QA: Well, there's sex.
      Manager: They're only supposed to use that for procreation!
      QA: You know users...
      Manager: Yeah. Well, we'll just cover our asses by putting a note about that in the documentation: No sex with monkeys. Mark it in the database as a "known issue" in case somebody calls and we'll get around to fixing it later...

      (Yes, I know that AIDS probably did not make the jump from humans to monkeys from someone having sex with a monkey.)

    13. Re:I do that all the time by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      If you had a choice between getting your name on the version notes next to, "Added speech capability" or "Fixed legacy bug that nobody has had a problem with in over a million years", which project would you sign on to?

      Well, the result of the former is that after coitus you have to listen to her talk, whereas the latter means that afterward you don't die.

      Yah. Sign me up for the legacy bug project!

    14. Re:I do that all the time by Pax681 · · Score: 1

      and an even more OCD part of me is saying "AIDS IS NOT WHAT YOU GET INFECTED WITH IT'S HIV!!!!"

      AIDS is a collection of symptoms arising as a result of HIV infection.

      it's a common misconception however it grates at me that it gets repeated so often

      so to sum up you get infected by HIV and this gives rise to a collection of secondary symptoms/conditions known collectively as AIDS...... we clear now?

    15. Re:I do that all the time by IronWilliamCash · · Score: 1

      Thanks man! Your comment made my day! Still laughing! :)

    16. Re:I do that all the time by multiplexo · · Score: 1

      Dude, you are like a theological genius. I wish to join your church.

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    17. Re:I do that all the time by MistrX · · Score: 1

      We need more of this. Most epic analogy I've ever read! Were can I subscribe to your church?

    18. Re:I do that all the time by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Thank you. Yes, that's an important distinction too.

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  6. Turning on Monkey DNA? by turthalion · · Score: 5, Funny

    So how long till we're all having hot monkey sex with each other? Count me out of turning on any monkey genes in *my* DNA, thank you.

    I've seen this episode of ST:TNG, so I *know* how this is all going to end.

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    1. Re:Turning on Monkey DNA? by Trailer+Park+Boy · · Score: 1

      News flash buddy, all of your genes are monkey genes. Yes, I know you are joking.

    2. Re:Turning on Monkey DNA? by turthalion · · Score: 1

      > News flash buddy, all of your genes are monkey genes. And if you ever watched Pete Sampras play tennis in his glory days, you know this to be true : )

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    3. Re:Turning on Monkey DNA? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      how long till we're all having hot monkey sex with each other?

      In the general population? About 5 minutes. But don't get your hopes up. For you, me, and the rest of Slashdot, it will be business as usual.

      And by business, I mean masturbation.

    4. Re:Turning on Monkey DNA? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Dude, using triple antibiotic ointment turns the gene on, just peace-out.

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    5. Re:Turning on Monkey DNA? by wasmoke · · Score: 1

      You know what's disgusting? You meant "monkey sex" as a joke, but recently a new strain of HIV that's "closely related to one found in gorillas" was found in a woman in Cameroon. What do you think the chances are that someone was desperate enough to pork a gorilla, then this woman?

  7. This is good news by jerep · · Score: 1

    We still have a lot of our DNA not yet "activated", from what little I know about genetics, every living organism share more or less the same DNA with less than 1% of differences, its which parts that are activated and which ones that are dormant that specify what the being will look like. This also means we're still babies in terms of our evolution.

    Correct me if I am wrong.

    I for one can't wait for this to happen:
    "I dunno how much AIDS scares y'all, but I got a theory: the day they come out with a cure for AIDS, a guaranteed one-shot cure, on that day there's gonna be fucking in the streets, man." - Bill hicks

    1. Re:This is good news by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Informative

      We still have a lot of our DNA not yet "activated" ...

      If we have it, it must have evolved for a reason. Currently inactive DNA was active in the past. There's just no evolutionary pressure for it to be removed, so it sticks around.

      [E]very living organism share [sic] more or less the same DNA with less than 1% of differences ...

      Nope: We have a greater-than-1% difference with chimps, our closest living relatives. The Amoeba dubia has more than 200 times the amount of DNA than humans.

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    2. Re:This is good news by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      We still have a lot of our DNA not yet "activated", from what little I know about genetics, every living organism share more or less the same DNA with less than 1% of differences, its which parts that are activated and which ones that are dormant that specify what the being will look like. This also means we're still babies in terms of our evolution.

      Correct me if I am wrong.

      1. I'm pretty sure there's a lot more than 1% difference between us and anything except (maybe) some of the great apes.
      2. "Babies in terms of our evolution" seems to imply there's some kind of predefined ladder we're climbing as we evolve, which isn't how it works.

      I for one can't wait for this to happen:
      "I dunno how much AIDS scares y'all, but I got a theory: the day they come out with a cure for AIDS, a guaranteed one-shot cure, on that day there's gonna be fucking in the streets, man." - Bill hicks

      Yeah, I think Bill's pretty much right on that one--there's definitely going to be some partying going on out there if this is a sure cure.

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    3. Re:This is good news by furby076 · · Score: 1

      The rhythm method will be back in style!!!! OH YEA!

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    4. Re:This is good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.

      So is the above an implied license to imply?

    5. Re:This is good news by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      Nope: We have a greater-than-1% difference with chimps, our closest living relatives.

      Apparently not:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090618084304.htm

      Apparently we didn't look at enough DNA before

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    6. Re:This is good news by atfrase · · Score: 4, Informative

      If we have it, it must have evolved for a reason. Currently inactive DNA was active in the past. There's just no evolutionary pressure for it to be removed, so it sticks around.

      You're sort of getting at how evolution works, but I have to nitpick your word choices. The whole idea is that evolution is random and patterns only emerge when those random mutations lead to statistically significant implications for survival and reproduction.

      So it's misleading to say anything "evolved for a reason" because evolution isn't an intelligent process -- it doesn't do things because of reasons. It's also not exactly true that "[c]urrently inactive DNA was active in the past" because every generation is bound to produce lots of random genetic mutations which have no impact on our survival, in many cases because they have no impact on our physiology whatsoever. The commented (computer) code analogy is very apt here.

      However, what you're hinting at isn't just that "we have it", it's more precisely that "we all have it." The fact that a large portion of the human population all has the same inactive DNA in this position does imply that it was active in the past, and that it was beneficial in the past, because that's the only way the same DNA could end up in every person's genome. If it had never been active or useful, then we would all have had to (randomly) mutate the same useless code in that spot, which would be statistically very improbable.

    7. Re:This is good news by JayAitch · · Score: 1

      I for one can't wait for this to happen:
      "I dunno how much AIDS scares y'all, but I got a theory: the day they come out with a cure for AIDS, a guaranteed one-shot cure, on that day there's gonna be fucking in the streets, man." - Bill hicks

      Nevermind chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis,herpes, crabs, HPV, Hepatitis.

    8. Re:This is good news by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Amoeba dubia [wikipedia.org] has more than 200 times the amount of DNA than humans.

      Slut!!

    9. Re:This is good news by sexybomber · · Score: 1

      every living organism share more or less the same DNA with less than 1% of differences,

      You've got the general idea, but the specifics are off. IIRC, we share 99.9% of our DNA with bonobos and gorillas, slightly less with chimps, less with other mammals, and so on and so forth as you get further and further away from our "branch" of the evolutionary tree. I believe we share something like 12% of our DNA with the banana. But yeah, there's a lot of commonality there.

    10. Re:This is good news by kungfugleek · · Score: 2, Funny
      But the Amoeba Dubya has a 0% difference with chimps!

      Sorry, I'll show myself out.

    11. Re:This is good news by Miseph · · Score: 1

      Shhh... you're ruining "the moment."

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    12. Re:This is good news by idlemachine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We still have a lot of our DNA not yet "activated"[...] This also means we're still babies in terms of our evolution.

      Fire up Windows.

      Now fire up every single application you have installed.

      While you're at it, download and load every single Windows application ever.

      Getting a lot done?

      Maybe activating the "full potential" of Windows isn't all that useful.

    13. Re:This is good news by idlemachine · · Score: 1

      So it's misleading to say anything "evolved for a reason" because evolution isn't an intelligent process -- it doesn't do things because of reasons.

      One of the definitions of 'reason' is 'cause'. It doesn't have to denote intelligence.

      I think it's pretty fair to say that the cheetah-gazelle predator-prey relation caused evolutionary changes in both. So to say the "reason" gazelles are so fast is because cheetah's prey on them isn't a semantic or logical stretch.

      Isn't language fun?

    14. Re:This is good news by graft · · Score: 1

      The fact that a large portion of the human population all has the same inactive DNA in this position does imply that it was active in the past, and that it was beneficial in the past, because that's the only way the same DNA could end up in every person's genome.

      This isn't exactly accurate; lots of pieces fix (i.e., reach 100% frequency) in the genome just by random genetic drift. The human population is relatively small, genetically speaking. If something is unaffected by selection (neither bad nor good), it's quite easy for it to fix by random chance in a relatively short period of time.

    15. Re:This is good news by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      The whole idea is that evolution is random and patterns only emerge when those random mutations lead to statistically significant implications for survival and reproduction. So it's misleading to say anything "evolved for a reason" because evolution isn't an intelligent process -- it doesn't do things because of reasons.

      I'm going to pick at your choice of words. Evolution isn't quite random. Anything that has an effect of the organism is either going to succeed or die out. Anything that doesn't have an effect is just gonna stick around. This is due to the environmental factors. These factors are not random (it's not random whether there will be bears in a given area), thus the direction that things will evolve in won't be random (as it's not random that a wolf can outrun a bear). The only thing truly random about evolution is the starting point. (GCGCT, or AGGCB, it's hard to say how that first molecule came together). The way it changes is also random, with random changes to small amounts of DNA over time. After that, there's not too much random to go around in terms of where an individual mutation ends up. It's really a chaotic process leading to an orderly one. I'd consider it along the lines of a fractal.

    16. Re:This is good news by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      Apparently we didn't look at enough DNA before.

      But they're not looking at DNA: they're looking at morphology. I don't really buy their argument since unrelated species often evolve similar morphology to adapt to similar conditions.

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    17. Re:This is good news by schon · · Score: 1

      Apparently not:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090618084304.htm

      Did you read that? It was a professor of anthropology, not a geneticist.

      Apparently we didn't look at enough DNA before

      Or, we *did* look at enough, and a someone who looked at fossils instead of DNA thinks that DNA isn't relevant.

    18. Re:This is good news by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      If we have it, it must have evolved for a reason. Currently inactive DNA was active in the past. There's just no evolutionary pressure for it to be removed, so it sticks around. It may get de-activated if it has side effects. Maybe the anti-viral agents had side effects like allergies or some such and this caused the genes to get shut off ? That sort of thing is pretty common - Prehistoric apes were much stronger than human beings, but we lost a lot of the strength, possibly because it was energy-inefficient. Same goes with loss of body hair -- If we were all covered in hair, it would have been advantageous to surviving in cold climates (and useful in warm weather too) .Presumably we lost all of it when we started migrating around and wearing clothes.

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    19. Re:This is good news by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      While I agree that Dubya is worthless little cretin, I doubt he has 200 times the amount of *anything* I do except accountability.

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    20. Re:This is good news by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I for one can't wait for this to happen:
      "I dunno how much AIDS scares y'all, but I got a theory: the day they come out with a cure for AIDS, a guaranteed one-shot cure, on that day there's gonna be fucking in the streets, man." - Bill hicks

      Yeah, I think Bill's pretty much right on that one--there's definitely going to be some partying going on out there if this is a sure cure.

      Yeah, but with my luck, I'll be reading the wrong Twitter feed and miss out on all the fun.

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    21. Re:This is good news by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      If we have it, it must have evolved for a reason. Currently inactive DNA was active in the past. There's just no evolutionary pressure for it to be removed, so it sticks around.

      You state that as fact, but it's not yet proven is it?

    22. Re:This is good news by geekoid · · Score: 1

      A little to Lamarckian for what we know about evolution.

      "(as it's not random that a wolf can outrun a bear)"
      why not?

      We don't evolve to do everything we can do. or example, we didn't evolve to play the piano.

      "It's really a chaotic process leading to an orderly one."
      No, it's not.

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    23. Re:This is good news by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "This also means we're still babies in terms of our evolution."

      That makes no sense, what so ever. Evolution has no goal, it's not a ladder, or a tree, it's a bush.

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    24. Re:This is good news by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      If we have it, it must have evolved for a reason.

      Things don't evolve "for a reason". They just evolve.

      Sometimes they change into something not so great. Then it's a benefit to turn them off, so they're likely to stay that way (or those that get turned back on are likely to be bread out).

      Sometimes they just get turned off randomly. Even if this makes the victims less adapted, if it doesn't kill them outright this might hang around and become the dominant, or only, version just through random chance in a small population. (In humanity's case there's evidence that our predecessors ALMOST went extinct and the current human population diverged from a very small number of survivors.)

      Currently inactive DNA was active in the past.

      Not necessarily - at least in our ancestors. (Unless you count things like viruses that infected great^500th granddad as "ancestors".) There's no reason that a non-coding region can't evolve without ever being "active". For instance: There's a lot of "junk DNA" that appears to be sequences that tend to be better at being spliced in by repair enzymes than other sequences. With time and DNA damage this stuff tends to pile up an produce more and longer non-coding sections - which then mutate and diverge - without ever coding anything, neither protein nor regulation, or even being otherwise useful (like by occasionally getting spliced into a working gene to modify a protein in a potentially useful way).

      There's just no evolutionary pressure for it to be removed, so it sticks around.

      Yep. Unless it causes a significant problem, its consumption of a few extra DNA subunits during cell replication is such a minor detriment that it gets lost in the noise.

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    25. Re:This is good news by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      The Amoeba dubia has more than 200 times the amount of DNA than humans.

      I hate it when I forget to turn off the DEBUG flag before compiling the release build.

    26. Re:This is good news by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      If you believe in evolution, then the fact that we have it now means it must have been useful in the past.

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    27. Re:This is good news by martas · · Score: 1

      then why did it become inactive? was it because it became "useless", and thus for it to remain active was in some way wasteful? or did we all inherit the same (inactive) version of the code from a common ancestor?

    28. Re:This is good news by dryeo · · Score: 1

      No, it just means it wasn't detrimental. Like green eyes, not useful but not detrimental so no pressure to remove them from the gene pool.

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    29. Re:This is good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea that evolution is a completely random process is a frequently held misconception. There is increasing evidence that it isn't. You should look up the term epigenetics. There was this experiment in which fat mice were held in two conditions : one in which food was limited and another in which it was not. In the first case mice activated a gene within one generation which led to offspring being thin(better able to survive). while there was no thin offspring in the other case. DNA methylation can deactivate/activate genes within 1 generation. Some studies also report that methylation can also occur during a lifetime of a person.

    30. Re:This is good news by agnosticnixie · · Score: 1

      Physical Anthropology deals with mostly primatology/paleoanthropology/human and primate genetics.

    31. Re:This is good news by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      If you believe in evolution....

      So evolution now requires faith...

      That aside - no, not really. Just because something exists doesn't mean it was ever used. At best it means it wasn't harmful to survival.

  8. Translation (I think) by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We reactivated this gene in the lab, and it seemed to work. There's a type of antibiotic that seems to reactivate the gene as well. So applying the antibiotic topically (read "like spermicidal foam/gel) should reactivate the gene in a woman's naughtybits and so fight the virus.

    Focused on the woman - good idea. But how does science focus on the man? How about "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!"

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    1. Re:Translation (I think) by Krneki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Men were not made for monogamy, your stupid culture made you believe so.

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    2. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      We reactivated this gene in the lab, and it seemed to work. There's a type of antibiotic that seems to reactivate the gene as well. So applying the antibiotic topically (read "like spermicidal foam/gel) should reactivate the gene in a woman's naughtybits and so fight the virus.

      Focused on the woman - good idea. But how does science focus on the man? How about "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!"

      I know for one am looking forward to some hot GIRLFRIED action, mmhmm.

    3. Re:Translation (I think) by just+fiddling+around · · Score: 1

      Since most humans have more than one SO in their lifetimes (even in the context of strictly respected serial monogamy), your advice is stupid. A similar advice was spouted when AIDS was called GRID: "stop fucking gay men"

      I'll leave the proof for you to do as an exercise.

      In other news, spermicidal gel can be applied on a penis too.

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    4. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a very strange takeaway. The discovery means we could be looking at a very effective cure for AIDS, and hence even greater freedom to sleep around with fewer consequences.

      It sounds to me like this is the exact opposite of your forgone conclusion.

    5. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I had a GIRLFRIED the FBI arrested me.

    6. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Men were not made for monogamy, your stupid culture made you believe so.

      Is that what you tell all the girls?

    7. Re:Translation (I think) by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Whats wrong, can't get any? Can't handle that other guys can hookup with girls and you can't? I guess girls who are raped are also asking for it... because we can't have people enjoying that dirty, sinful sex can we?

    8. Re:Translation (I think) by argyleman · · Score: 1

      The poster makes no mention of monogamy. He/She simply suggests that one might consider confining one's sexual liaisons to people with whom one has a significant relationship. One can have multiple significant others, it's only your stupid culture that makes you believe otherwise.

    9. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Who said the wife, the girlfriend, and the significant other all have to be the same person?

    10. Re:Translation (I think) by Explodicle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just yours.

    11. Re:Translation (I think) by Chickan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If we expect the common person to use this cream before sex every time it will never work, we can't even get people to use condoms! On a side note, just because you aren't fucking someone other than your SO doesn't mean they aren't. Its just sex, we all enjoy it, and we'd all be better off if we were to marry based on sexual compatibility as opposed to solely on looks/status/income.

    12. Re:Translation (I think) by Explodicle · · Score: 1

      Monogamy is implied. Otherwise your significant other may find another significant other who is HIV-positive and pass the disease on to you, and the suggestion is meaningless.

    13. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!"

      You'd have to be borderline autistic to even remotely think this was practical.

    14. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell does that matter? The fact is that promiscuity drives HIV infections.

      I'm sorry that you're so offended by western culture that you can't see the utility in R2.0's suggestion.

    15. Re:Translation (I think) by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it could be your ego that makes you think otherwise.

      All kidding aside, the fact that more harm than good comes from being promiscuous seems to indicate that the reproductive pool would benefit if people would be a little more selective with who they fool around with.

      Also I think the phrase "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!" doesn't rule out polygamy. More like stop having one-night-stands with anonymous women (or men). I didn't see any quantity qualifier in the statement.

      I would be careful on calling another person's culture stupid... While you shared your opinion on the matter, I know you would not like to know my opinion on societies that subjugate women.

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    16. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That or, you know, monogamy was a cultural response to STDs.

    17. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men were made?

    18. Re:Translation (I think) by idlemachine · · Score: 1

      But how does science focus on the man? How about "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!"

      The 1440 BCs called, they want their moral superiority back.

    19. Re:Translation (I think) by radtea · · Score: 1

      Focused on the woman - good idea. But how does science focus on the man? How about "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!"

      How is that focused on the man? Women screw around as much as men do--or who did you think the men were screwing around with? Hint: the fraction of cheating that goes on with prostitutes is extremely small compared to the total amount of cheating, and between 2 and 25% of children are fathered by someone other than the mother's socially pair-bonded partner.

      Both of those facts strongly suggest widespread female cheating, despite neo-puritan mythology to the contrary. The old-style Puritans, of course, thought that women were far more likely than men to screw around, but they at least could claim total ignorance of statistics (and almost everything else) so it is easy to forgive them their incredibly stupid mythology than the modern nonsensical belief that women aren't as horny and sexually adventurous as men.

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    20. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the wife and girlfriend were the same person, how would engineers get any quality lab time?

    21. Re:Translation (I think) by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Also I think the phrase "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!" doesn't rule out polygamy. More like stop having one-night-stands with anonymous women (or men). I didn't see any quantity qualifier in the statement.

      Yep... serial monogamy with lots of people you don't know well is more dangerous than polyamory with people you are deeply involved with.

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    22. Re:Translation (I think) by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      How about "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!"

      Translation: If only people would act the way I want them to act instead of the way they actually DO act, there wouldn't be a problem.

      Uh huh. You've just given a non-solution to every problem in the world.

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    23. Re:Translation (I think) by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      That's a myth based on improper weighting of a statistical analysis. A few dozen island cultures where there were, for various reasons, large biases in the gender ratio in favor of more males than females, each of which had a small population of only a few hundred people, ended up being given far more weight than they should have.

    24. Re:Translation (I think) by Rycross · · Score: 1

      And how do I stop my WIFE/GIRLFRIEND/SIGNIFICANT OTHER from fucking other people? Putting on a wedding ring or giving special names to a person you're sleeping with doesn't give you ownership over them. They're still their own people and they get to choose who they sleep with. And in case you hadn't noticed, cheating isn't all that uncommon, even amongst people who place extremely high importance on faithfulness and monogamy.

      Or are you saying that I would deserve to get AIDs because my wife cheated on me? And then, of course, there's always rape, and children of HIV-positive people, but I guess that doesn't factor into your moral superiority does it? It turns out life isn't simple, and sometimes bad things happen that aren't your fault.

    25. Re:Translation (I think) by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Technically, you can be in a relationship with multiple partners that have no external contact with others. The usual example would be the polygamous marriages where the partners are active with the group, but otherwise are strictly enjoined against activity outside that small group. If the small group is free of venereal disease, then the partners should all be safe no matter how many of them there are, so long as the disease is not introduced into their group.

      Of course, the reality is that in any situation like this, you rely on all partners maintaining the integrity of the group. Your own personal commitment to the couple or group ensures nothing, you must have the commitment of your partner(s) to only be active in that uninfected couple/group as well.

      There is a point to the monogamy argument, you will have a higher risk with more partners, since there is a higher chance that one of them will either unknowingly bring in a disease with them, or that they will end up being the type to go outside your group for sex.

      Nevertheless, the advantage of monogamy is not magical, its purely based on decreasing your probability of having an infected partner. If you make a poor choice of monogamous partner, then you may well end up with the same result as if you had been promiscuous.

      So, monogamy is not implied, but it is certainly going to be the best scenario in a strategy of not becoming infected to begin with.

    26. Re:Translation (I think) by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I never bang people who fall outside of the categories you enumerated. I just temporarily re-categorize them for testing purposes before reverting to a previous version (when necessary).

    27. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're all sensitive people here... no need to have fried girl on the menu.

    28. Re:Translation (I think) by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Born, made, where is the difference? :)

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    29. Re:Translation (I think) by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, from an epidemiological standpoint, that would have worked a lot better if it could have been enforced. If GRID/AIDS had been treated like any other venereal disease, we would be in a significantly different situation than we are now. There are myriad reasons it wasn't, and some are perhaps valid, but to pretend that promiscuous behavior among a subset of gay men was insignificant is a fantasy.

      I was thinking more of the situation in Africa, where the primary vector for the spread of HIV is truck drivers and other transient men having sex with prostitutes in the many places they visit and then infecting their wives and all of the other women with which they have sex. The focus has been on prevention has been on women since, as another poster put it, "Men were not meant to be monogamous" and "You'd have to be borderline autistic to even remotely think this was practical." So the focus has been on "Make your man wear a condom" and "no glove, no love". But is that really going to work in a culture that already excuses such male promiscuity? If a truck driver is fucking any piece of ass he can get on the road, I can't imagine he respects his woman at home enough to wear a rubber.

      So, the study authors are focusing on a solution for women that DOESN'T require the participation, or even the knowledge, of the male partner.
      "What's taking so long?
      "Just lubing up, honey - your SO big I have trouble taking it all."

      But this still continues to ignore the larger problem of male promiscuity. And it IS a problem, because it's not a binary choice, monogamy vs. serial partners. 20% of sub-Saharan Africans are infected with HIV not because they are fucking monkeys, or they are the victim of a western plot, or the virus in Africa is SOOO much more contagious - it's because of the behavior of the males in those cultures.

      Want to change the behavior? Same as everything else - make the consequences of being a male slut worse than the benefits. Give someone HIV? Prosecuted for negligence, they get everything you own. Busted with a prostitute (not that it's likely)? The state notifies wife, relatives, etc. and gets HIV tests on his dime.

      Radical? Sure. But isn't having 1/5 of your population afflicted with a fatal disease an unprecedented problem? Until something more radical is done in such places, the burden will continually be on the women to carry society through.

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    30. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you see this is why wives/husbands need to keep their SO chained in the basement with only a food bowl, water bowl, toilet and shower within reach. Then if they're really good and don't smell like sewer you have sex with them when you're in the mood. No potential for cheating!

      I mean GOD what is with people nowadays, treating others like THEY HAVE RIGHTS! Doesn't everybody know that's what's CAUSING these problems? FREE WILL MAN! Without it everything will be alright! ... well at least if you're a top, not a bottom :D

      P.S. Captcha was 'dictated'.

    31. Re:Translation (I think) by Zerth · · Score: 1

      No, the correct answer is. for once, "XKCD is not always right".

      Do not have sex when it makes the hook-up graph well-connected or greatly increases the breadth of the network and do not be the Paul Erds of sex.

      Or if you are, make sure it is a directed graph and all arrows point away:)

    32. Re:Translation (I think) by budgenator · · Score: 1

      two words, condom lubricant

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    33. Re:Translation (I think) by Calithulu · · Score: 1

      Hey, as a man I can certify that we reproduce by fission, like any other amoeba.

    34. Re:Translation (I think) by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      I think the researchers are going for something that women can do for themselves that the man doesn't even need to know about, much less cooperate with.

      Scenario 1: "What are you doing?"
      "Getting a condom for you"
      Response:
      - Whine
      - bitch, piss, moan
      - threaten force
      - use force.

      Scenario 2: "What are you doing?"
      "Just applying some lubricant."
      "What?"
      "Well, you're so big I just can't handle it without lube."
      "That's right, Baby - use as much as you want."

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    35. Re:Translation (I think) by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      So applying the antibiotic topically (read "like spermicidal foam/gel) should reactivate the gene in a woman's naughtybits and so fight the virus.

      Focused on the woman - good idea. But how does science focus on the man?

      Suppositories.

      = = = =

      Was tempted to end it there and go for "funny". But it's really too serious for that. So:

      Suppositories (for M->M) and lubes and jock-itch preparations (for F->M, which it tougher to handle adequately).

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    36. Re:Translation (I think) by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Actually the point I was alluding too is the protection would work both ways, a lubricant with an Aminoglycoside would work as well as a lubricant for the woman's use or for a condom lubricant, the active ingredient would be on both sides of the condom, thus offering some protection to both.

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    37. Re:Translation (I think) by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Is that what you tell all the girls?

      No, I only tell that to other men. Girls seem to prefer monogamy...

    38. Re:Translation (I think) by baKanale · · Score: 1

      To be fair women aren't either. Just ask all the poor fellows who inadvertently raised the milkman's son.

    39. Re:Translation (I think) by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Nah, otherwise the parent's basement would be full of geeks.

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    40. Re:Translation (I think) by WillDraven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. I have 3 girlfriends that i've been involved with for some time (4, 3, and 1 years). One of them has a boyfriend and one of them has a girlfriend (whom we sometimes get together with for group play.) This brings our sexual contact group to a total of 6. They all know about each other and have decided the pro's (sex with me, occasionally sex with each other) outweigh the cons (having to share, worrying about one of the others bringing in an STD, worrying about somebody getting jealous).

        Sometimes we decide to temporarily bring another person into our sexual group, but we always pass the word around and make sure they have a recent STD screening. All in all the arrangement works out for everybody involved, we're all sexually satisfied and relatively safe.

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    41. Re:Translation (I think) by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      Men were not made for monogamy, your stupid culture made you believe so.

      Only men, huh? Then just who are these inmonogamous men having sex with? Other men?

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    42. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction: Men looking for sex were not made for monogamy. Those looking for any of that 'meaningful relationship' and 'more than primative physical urges' crap are not.

    43. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your solution for gay men would be?

    44. Re:Translation (I think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll never stop fucking your wife/girlfriend/significant other, thank you very much...

      (the captcha for this post was brothel :D)

    45. Re:Translation (I think) by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Quit rubbing it in, OK? I'm not handling it well, and I doubt most slashdotters are. Just leave us be, obsessed about computers, drugs, science and law, and go live your oh so wonderful life. Make good use of it. It's not like everybody's got one.

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  9. Junk is not Junk by Poruchik · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Junk DNA = We don't really know what it does

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    1. Re:Junk is not Junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's 'Magic/More Magic' all over again...

    2. Re:Junk is not Junk by ParticleGirl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Junk DNA = We don't really know what it does

      Not so much anymore; these days, it's more like it does not act in the simple, straightforward way that we expect genes to act. But then, genes don't seem to much, either. We're learning more and more about the many ways that "junk" DNA actually does play an active role in shaping human biology. (Original, more technical article.)

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  10. Science Fiction Movie Plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Someone, desperate, decides to turn on the gene to save someone, and bad things happen...

    1. Re:Science Fiction Movie Plot by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Science fiction???

      Simply go for a walk around any UK town or city centre on a Saturday night and you'll see the Neanderthals out in force vomiting into gutters and pushing glasses into each other's faces.

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    2. Re:Science Fiction Movie Plot by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Science fiction???

      Simply go for a walk around any UK town or city centre on a Saturday night and you'll see the Neanderthals out in force vomiting into gutters and pushing glasses into each other's faces.

      Ah... here in southern Ontario we call them American tourists. (Kidding of course... small town Ontario has clearly proven recently that Neanderthals are alive and well in the new world.)

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    3. Re:Science Fiction Movie Plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah... here in southern Ontario we call them American tourists. (Kidding of course... small town Ontario has clearly proven recently that Neanderthals are alive and well in the new world.)

      I find it curious that I could be from Niagara, NY and cross into Niagara, ON and I would be categorized as a tourist?!

      Niagara is probably a bad example...Detriot maybe.

    4. Re:Science Fiction Movie Plot by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      I find it curious that I could be from Niagara, NY and cross into Niagara, ON and I would be categorized as a tourist?!

      Niagara is probably a bad example...Detriot maybe.

      Crossing from Detroit into Windsor puts you into a whole new cateogry! :-)

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    5. Re:Science Fiction Movie Plot by vranash · · Score: 1

      Of failed automobile cities of any country? :D

  11. No such think as junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One man's garbage is another man's treasure. I know I've written code that I end up commenting out for some reason, perhaps because I invent a better way of doing something, or because the feature is canceled. I sometimes end up salvaging that "junk" code because there's use for it, in one form or another.

  12. Only side effect by xednieht · · Score: 5, Funny

    Minor side effect of re-activating the sequence - you become very hairy, lose the ability to walk upright, and have a curious craving to pick through other's hair in search of lice.

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    1. Re:Only side effect by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Funny

      I see that you've been to a Metallica concert then?

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    2. Re:Only side effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what happens to people from Kentucky?

  13. Old world monkey by BigHungryJoe · · Score: 1

    what is an 'old world' monkey?

    1. Re:Old world monkey by AnotherDeadBard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not from South America, if I remember correctly. There's a lot of genetic drift between American monkeys and monkeys found in Africa and Asia.

    2. Re:Old world monkey by s4ltyd0g · · Score: 4, Funny

      For some reason George W Bush springs to mind...

    3. Re:Old world monkey by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Informative
      New World = America (north and south, not states).

      Old World = Africa, Europe, Asia

      New WOrld Monkeys are those found in the Americas.

      Old World Monkeys are those found in Africa/Europe/Asia

      Specifically, Babboons, Colobus, etc.

      Old world monkeys usually have tails, but unlike the New World Monkeys, their tails are NOT prehensile (i.e. they can't use them like a tentacle).

      P.S. Wikipedia is your friend.

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    4. Re:Old world monkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what is an 'old world' monkey?

      They usually are found selling used cars, off branded electronics and knock-off cologne in kiosks in Malls. Often answer to Guido or Nunzio!

    5. Re:Old world monkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New World Monkeys are those found in the Americas.

      Yeah, like George Bush. *ba-dum-CHING*

      I keed, I keed! :)

    6. Re:Old world monkey by Phishcast · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's the same as an 'old school' monkey. You can recognize them by their gold chains and Adidas.

    7. Re:Old world monkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      , their tails are NOT prehensile (i.e. they can't use them like a tentacle).

      Given the average proclivities of /. readers, I can't believe you felt the need to explain 'prehensile'.

    8. Re:Old world monkey by baKanale · · Score: 1
  14. Did anybody see Jurassic Park? Planet of the Apes by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    I'm just saying...

    Seriously, I tried to read the article, but sentences like, "this treatment induced the production of intact, bioactive retrocyclin-1 peptide by human epithelial cells and cervicovaginal tissues," just make my eyes glaze over and think that the peers reviewing this journal are way out of my league.

  15. Not surprised by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 5, Informative

    It seems to me that we carry a "catalog" of genes that are not currently useful, but have been useful in the past. It's not as if evolution destroys genes - for the most part it tends to make them inactive.

    1. Re:Not surprised by joeyblades · · Score: 1

      And sometimes, it makes them active again.
      Given time, there is a high probability that this capacity would have re-evolved, assuming that there is a selective advantage.

    2. Re:Not surprised by mavi_yelken · · Score: 1

      THis paper is striking because it again underlines that evolution occurs by chance (genetic drift) in many cases and humanity is on the verge of gripping evolution from the horns. Here is a perfectly fine gene, inactivated by a premature termination codon mutation that occurred after human lineage diverged from the lineage we share with orangutans, lesser apes, and old world monkeys. Why? because there was no significant selective pressure against it and probably trough some chance event (think founder effect) we as a species lost this gene. Now trough paleogenetics we awaken a 7 million old gene from pseudogene hell! It makes me excited for my chosen profession again (PhD is hard and you need all the motivation you can get)

    3. Re:Not surprised by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      Right - it's such a huge advantage to be able to "pick and choose" genes that I would be surprised if it didn't exist already. Especially genes that offer a small disadvantage in all circumstances, but a huge advantage in others (such as an HIV-rich environment).

    4. Re:Not surprised by radtea · · Score: 1

      hy? because there was no significant selective pressure against it and probably trough some chance event (think founder effect) we as a species lost this gene.

      Be very cautious of this kind of just-so story. The modified gene may have another role that we are not currently aware of. It is significant that it is expressed but not transcribed, so there is a bunch of mRNA floating around with this gene's pattern, if I read the paper properly.

      Evolution is opportunistic, and it may well be that this gene has simply been exploited due to selective pressure to take on another role, rather than being abandoned due to drift. Either is possible, and neither is safe to assume.

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    5. Re:Not surprised by yabos · · Score: 1

      There are reports of some women in Africa that are immune to HIV. That would be interesting if they were able to link their immunity to this same gene.

    6. Re:Not surprised by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see a reference to that.

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  16. Huh? What? by DeathMagnetic · · Score: 3, Funny

    In this work, we reveal that, upon correction of the premature termination codon in theta-defensin pseudogenes, human myeloid cells produce cyclic, antiviral peptides (which we have termed "retrocyclins"), indicating that the cells retain the intact machinery to make cyclic peptides. Furthermore, we exploited the ability of aminoglycoside antibiotics to read-through the premature termination codon within retrocyclin transcripts to produce functional peptides that are active against HIV-1. Given that the endogenous production of retrocyclins could also be restored in human cervicovaginal tissues, we propose that aminoglycoside-based topical microbicides might be useful in preventing sexual transmission of HIV-1.

    Woah, I think I'm going to need a car analogy...

    1. Re:Huh? What? by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In this work, we reveal that coating the inside of your car's tail pipe reacts with the metal to prevent tail pipe wevils, (Highly Infectious Vermin) from nesting and eventually breaking down your entire car's resistance from rust.

    2. Re:Huh? What? by oracleofbargth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Woah, I think I'm going to need a car analogy...

      Say your car door doesn't have any manual door locks, since it was built to be all automatic, but you lost the remote a long time ago. Your car could easily be broken into or stolen, now that you can't lock the door. So, you have someone read through the engineering manual for the car to find the code the remote used, and build another one to let you lock the doors again.

    3. Re:Huh? What? by robotkid · · Score: 1

      From someone working in a related field, a car analogy just doesn't cut it, because this is a fantastic story even by modern scientific standards. I would characterize this as more like discovering that the dead sea scrolls actually contain blueprints for a fully functional plasma rifle just as you are being overrun by aliens. And I would totally pay to see that movie.

    4. Re:Huh? What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I see.
      You mean they made a key? What did I use to start the car?
      Only a true nerd would search the manual to find the code to unlock a door and then build a device to send the code to the door WHEN THEY HAVE THE DOOR KEY.
      Try again and yes I am serious.

    5. Re:Huh? What? by Sinbios · · Score: 1

      Oh, we have the keys now, they're just inconvenient and sometimes causes annoying allergies for some people.

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    6. Re:Huh? What? by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      >What did I use to start the car?
      A screwdriver. The last carjacker hotwired it.

    7. Re:Huh? What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, just don't fall for the old "banana in the tailpipe" trick and you should be fine

    8. Re:Huh? What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the we are not sure what all the code effects, so when you use the remote to lock the doors it may turn out that your stereo and AC will never work correctly again. Oh, and after 20,000 more miles the tires fall off.

      But all three of those effects were not part of the testing of the remote because who listens to the radio while testing the door lock, the AC works fine in the test lab so we did not check the cars, and who runs a 20,000 mile road test on a door lock?

    9. Re:Huh? What? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      As a small kid, I once accidentally touched the hot tailpipe of our family car with my bare legs. I don't dare to image how much it would hurt to touch it with a more precious body part...

      So, whoever gives his car wevils must be a very brave man indeed...

  17. Taking bets on which pharma corp will silence them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So ... who's taking bets on which pharmaceutical or bio-engineering corporation will sue them to oblivion? I mean there have to be some patents involved. Somebody surely has patented this "junk DNA" or something as vague as "looking at it funny". Corporations in this field seem to be especially ruthless and immoral. Bribes or lawsuits? Who will win the race?

  18. Re:Junk DNA? by sadness203 · · Score: 1

    Nop, this just mean you could dream about having sex.

  19. Lube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So they are saying "Our lube can stop the HIV?"

    1. Re:Lube by sexconker · · Score: 1

      basically, yes

  20. Re:Junk DNA? by oracleofbargth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that like junk in the trunk? Does this mean I should only have sex with women who are endowed with large posteriors?

    Yes! Sir Mixalot was a wise man.

  21. That's what they think of us. by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 3, Funny

    You'll feel even better next time you ask them to open a command prompt and ping something to check the network.

    Silly scientists think they can out geekword us.

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    1. Re:That's what they think of us. by mikael · · Score: 1

      You leave my goddamn tubes alone! there's nothing wrong with my plumbing.

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    2. Re:That's what they think of us. by Calithulu · · Score: 1

      I'll take your word on it!

  22. junk dna is like my basement by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there's a whole bunch of crap down there i needed at one time, and mostly have forgotten about. there's also a small chance i'll need something down there again, but usefulness is so marginal. but every now and then i'll notice a glimmer of something in the corner i had totally forgotten, and i go "holy crap! this is incredibly important!"

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    1. Re:junk dna is like my basement by baKanale · · Score: 1
      I guess we should be glad our DNA doesn't have a wife... I can see it now:

      Wife: Honey! Would you clean out the nucleus? There's a bunch of old crap down there!
      DNA: If I throw anything out I'll just find out I need it a million years later. Like this AIDS protection thing...
      Wife: You're never going to need that. Now take it all out to the curb and throw it out!
      Million years later... BAM! AIDS!
      DNA: Damnit! I knew I shouldn't have thrown that out!

  23. Latent DNA Disclosure... by Xin+Jing · · Score: 1

    Is it trivial to ask that a parm company that uses ancient genes as part of a cure disclose possible adverse genetic side effects as a condition of it's use. Besides the usual "see the August edition of Good Housekeeping for details" rollcall of symtoms and side effects, I think the introducion of foreign genetic elements to help treat a life-threatening illness bears some merit. From wikipedia: a gene is "...a locatable region of genomic sequence, corresponding to a unit of inheritance..." So this is actual genetic code from some other living person that lived ages ago.

    1. Re:Latent DNA Disclosure... by guppysap13 · · Score: 1

      This is a gene in your DNA currently, that became inactive ages ago. These scientists have found a way to re-activate the gene. (I'm trying to finish loading the summary to read more it, but it appears the site is just about slashdotted.)

    2. Re:Latent DNA Disclosure... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      For starters, so far there are no pharmaceutical companies involved, with the exception of lab supply companies that supply biologically active material. All of the researchers work at universities or the US National Institute of Health.

      Second, the paper goes into detail about the survivability of cells treated to produce the anti-viral peptide. The graph in the article shows essentially no difference in cellular lifespan, which means, at the cellular level at least, there are no side effects at all. Nor should there be. The active peptides that are doing the killing of HIV are built using the cell's own machinery from the cell's own instruction manual. The treatment that allows that to happen is extremely closely targeted to performing the reactivation and nothing else. There's a very good chance that there will be no side effects at all at the systemic level, either.

      Third, there are no foreign genetic elements being introduced. They're reactivating native genetic sequences that every human already carries. 100% of the humans on earth have the necessary sequence. 100% of the humans have the premature terminator that prevents the sequence from being used right now. The genetic elements turned back on are already built in to every one of us.

  24. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There could be an online store where you scan your DNA, and pick which superhero powers you want to have activated based on that.

  25. Curing HIV is so easy by JoshDM · · Score: 5, Funny

    a caveman could do it.

    1. Re:Curing HIV is so easy by Hailth · · Score: 0

      Actually, so easy a caveWOMAN could do it.

      I have bad karma anyway. It doesn't matter if you think I'm actually sexist.

    2. Re:Curing HIV is so easy by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I actually thought it was a rather funny joke, until you spoiled it by suggesting that maybe you were just being sexist.

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  26. Benign Virus Example... by Xin+Jing · · Score: 1

    Also, I'm at a loss to remember the name of a specific genetic virus that infects cats. Over time the cats become more tolerant and less predatory towards mice. Otherwise, the cats behave normally. Can someone help me with the name of this virus, I'm trying to draw an example here and unfortunatly I can't recall any facts.

    1. Re:Benign Virus Example... by polymath69 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you are thinking of toxoplasma gondii? It's basically the opposite of what you describe -- mice lose their fear of cats, and run towards them instead, versus cats losing interest in predation -- but it's still a damned nifty trick for a unicellular beastie.

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  27. A bit unclear to me... by mea37 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...and I know really it's too early to know, but the big question on my mind is: what sort of treatment are we talking about here?

    Can a cure for AIDS be derived from this? Or will it be a matter of "if we catch an HIV infection early, we can clear it up and minimize the damage"? Or is it only useful as a preventative measure, which seems to be where the quote in TFS is headed?

    If it's only useful as a preventative measure, then there are two big issues.

    One is how prone it would be to user error. If it's a "follow these steps every time you're going to put yourself at risk" kind of thing, then there's a concern that the increase in people's willingness to put themselves at risk exceeds the practical efficacy of the prevention. OTOH, if it's a "go to your doctor once (or once every X time period) for a professioally-administered round of protection", then that's probably less an issue.

    The other is... look, I'm all for scientific progress, and I think we should research the hell out of this, but let's not jump the gun. As evidenced by the fact that we call potentially-functional strecthes of DNA "junk", we do not understand what they do. If prehistoric animals used this sequence and we don't, there is probably a reason, be it small or large. Maybe it's as simple as "it takes cellular resources and the risk of an HIV-like attack had subsided below the break-even point" - and if that turns out to be the case, FULL SPEED AHEAD! Or maybe evolutionary pressures put the protein in disfavor because it interferes with some other aspect of modern human biology, or has some secondary effect that is harmful. Now it's hard to imagine that would weigh in as "more severe than an active HIV infection", so it might still be a useful treatment for a known case of AIDS if it can be used in that way (depending on cost/benefit vs. other AIDS treatments); but not necessarily a good preventative measure if that were to turn out to be the case.

    1. Re:A bit unclear to me... by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Flipping a few DIP switches in the DNA sequence might seem like a great idea, but this one is going to take a lot of research. Especially since the genes being flipped seem to be involved in cervicovaginal tissue (eg. baby factory). If that's the case, you may get protection against HIV, but you also may pass along a prominent eyebrow and tendency toward grunting to your kids.

      Not to mention the possibility of an active immune response making something even stronger out of HIV, or weakening some other portion of the immune system.

      Admittedly, most of these possibilities are somewhat remote, and maybe I'm just suffering from a heightened Frankenstein complex when it comes to twiddling with DNA, but...

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    2. Re:A bit unclear to me... by jhfry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm guessing that it's a one time treatment.

      Essentially its a cream/lotion that can be applied topically to trigger a genetic mutation of cells. These cells then reproduce in the typical fashion, which would maintain the same genetic code.

      I think they use a creme because all they really need effected are the parts that may be exposed to the virus. Otherwise they would use an engineered virus to deliver the mutation to your entire body.

      I'm just guessing, I could be way off base here.

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    3. Re:A bit unclear to me... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2, Informative

      They did test the possibility of strengthening HIV. The article goes into detail about that. Short answer, it doesn't. They used a weakened concentration of the HIV killer, weakened so much it couldn't kill HIV, and ran a constant stream of HIV past it, then examined the results. There were no changes.

      That makes a certain amount of sense because of how it works. It's not an HIV killer as in "attacks and dismantles the virus." It's an HIV killer in that it prevents the virus from successfully replicating. It binds to HIV precursor material in places that prevents the different precursor materials from successfully joining up into a fully formed virus. At sufficient concentrations (which aren't very high at all, judging by the regular use of the micrograms per milliliter measurement unit that shows up in the article), it interferes with basically all HIV replication. You can't breed an evolved, stronger form of the virus if there are no new generations of the virus. With this treatment, there are no survivors.

    4. Re:A bit unclear to me... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately no. They're not actually changing the DNA. The cream/lotion concept (which they don't actually have yet) would contain the special molecule they tested that is built to help a cell read past the premature terminator in the gene sequence, so it can successfully build the proteins we're talking about. It's hitting the Retry button on the Abort, Retry, Fail prompt and successfully getting past the bad sector. But it's a local, temporary thing.

      In theory, yes, a retrovirus could be engineered to actually remove the bad sector, in every cell everywhere, in all people. That's not what they're talking about here though. DNA modification seems to be a good deal trickier than providing an error correction reader molecule.

    5. Re:A bit unclear to me... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      The other is... look, I'm all for scientific progress, and I think we should research the hell out of this, but let's not jump the gun. As evidenced by the fact that we call potentially-functional strecthes of DNA "junk", we do not understand what they do. If prehistoric animals used this sequence and we don't, there is probably a reason, be it small or large. Maybe it's as simple as "it takes cellular resources and the risk of an HIV-like attack had subsided below the break-even point" - and if that turns out to be the case, FULL SPEED AHEAD! Or maybe evolutionary pressures put the protein in disfavor because it interferes with some other aspect of modern human biology, or has some secondary effect that is harmful. Now it's hard to imagine that would weigh in as "more severe than an active HIV infection", so it might still be a useful treatment for a known case of AIDS if it can be used in that way (depending on cost/benefit vs. other AIDS treatments); but not necessarily a good preventative measure if that were to turn out to be the case.

      Exactly. My first thought was, "At some point, we had these sequences active. Then there was a mutation that turned them off, and that mutation propagated more successfully. Why?"

      It sounds as if this defense would apply not just to HIV, but quite possibly to other viruses as well, if I understand the article correctly; it appears that the proteins make cells resistant to the incursion of the virus in the first place. I'm wondering if at some point in the past, or even currently, there's been a viral infection that offers us some evolutionary advantage? If it's something that guided our evolution and survival previously, but is no longer an issue, then fine... but what if we find out that getting "the common cold" over and over again is instrumental in our survival in some way, and enabling this sequence will prevent it?

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    6. Re:A bit unclear to me... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Another poster describes a plausible response to that idea. You have to remember that we don't evolve in isolation. Everything on Earth co-evolves. One theory is that the viruses that caused the evolution of that sequence evolved away from living off of humans and moved on to some other more profitable host species. The premature terminator mutation crept in, not because it was an evolutionary advantage, but because it was not an evolutionary disadvantage any more. HIV is the virus evolving back around again to living off of us. One supposes that in time, we'd evolve a response. That response might have been reactivation of the original sequence, or a different sequence.

      Looks like we won't have to wait that long. We'll just manually turn our own original immunity back on.

    7. Re:A bit unclear to me... by mauthbaux · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that it's a one time treatment.

      As I understand it, no. Since the change this produces is in the transcription/translation machinery of the cell, rather than in the DNA itself, the treatment is not permanent. Different substances are recycled in the cell at different rates (and nearly everything gets recycled at some point), with the cell rebuilding the parts that are in its genetic blueprints. Parts that aren't in the blueprints (i.e. the molecule that allows the gene to produce a protein product) do not get rebuilt. So the change is _not_ permanent.

      Otherwise they would use an engineered virus to deliver the mutation to your entire body.

      This is very unlikely to be used as a treatment any time in the near future. When gene therapy using viral vectors was introduced, there were several cases where it was quite successful. There were also deaths. Those deaths and the fear mongering that accompanied have created a social climate where very few people would acknowledge gene therapy as a valid treatment option.

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    8. Re:A bit unclear to me... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      You can't breed an evolved, stronger form of the virus if there are no new generations of the virus. With this treatment, there are no survivors.

      That was the assumption we made with antibiotics as well... It turned out to work a bit differently in practice.

      Still, it's worth trying, especially if the gene can be reactivated permanently. Worst case it doesn't work long term and we're back to an arms race.

    9. Re:A bit unclear to me... by vranash · · Score: 1

      EXCEPT Bacteria is self-replicating, Viruses ARE NOT. That's the key difference you're missing here. In the case of bacteria anti-biotics are killing it directly, thus not all bacteria is killed immediately. In contrast to this, the virus has to be able to infect a cell first in order to replicate.

    10. Re:A bit unclear to me... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      We've been using the turn-on antibiotics for quite a while. Neomycin is one of them it's OTC so if it turns us into Neanderthals we would have noticed it by now.

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    11. Re:A bit unclear to me... by natehoy · · Score: 1

      IANAS (I Am Not A Scientist), but I'll pretend to know what I'm talking about enough to form an ignorance-based straw man... :)

      So, yes, if this gene is twiddled on and prevents the virus from replicating, that's great. However, even if it successfully weakens HIV, what other GOOD things might also be weakened and what other BAD things (that are not HIV) could possibly be strengthened by this?

      Only two possible issues:

      1. Could this interference interfere with some other defense mechanism in the body that this new binding could be Very Bad News in some other way?

      Example of a WAY off-the-wall theory - could HIV somehow mutate to use the "HIV Killer" to its advantage? I mean, the little bugger's mutated from a monkey virus to a human virus already. It's proven to be adaptable.

      Example of a possibly less off-the-wall theory - could having this "attack and dismantle" mechanism floating around in the body somehow cause other unintended side effects?

      2. If the "attack and dismantle" is not 100%, then we are simply selecting for those virii that have a "resistance" to the attack, right?

      I don't think I've ever heard of anything in science that kills ALL bacteria or ALL virii. Again, IANAS so this could be very common - I've just never heard of a claim of 100% of anything being wiped out when bacteria or virii get talked about.

      So if we're not whacking 100% of them, Darwinian forces assure us that anything that has a natural resistance to the defense is reproduced more often, meaning the population of resistant strains is more numerous and therefore the defense becomes ineffective over time. Antibiotics have proven that relatively clearly with the creation of "superbugs" out of once-simple staph infections. What could AIDS become?

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    12. Re:A bit unclear to me... by TheSync · · Score: 1

      The premature terminator mutation crept in, not because it was an evolutionary advantage, but because it was not an evolutionary disadvantage any more."

      It takes energy to transcribe DNA into a protein. Thus, once the evolutionary pressure that caused the evolution of the protein expression was gone, it was an evolutionary loss to make a useless protein.

    13. Re:A bit unclear to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This makes me think of the movie "I Am Legend"

      *starts hording massive amounts of bacon*

    14. Re:A bit unclear to me... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The point is not the method of reproduction, but that mutated strains of bacteria avoided the defense mechanisms, and once they have done that, they are free to spread to other individuals (assuming that the mutation hasn't compromised its ability to infect new hosts).

      As for the HIV virus, as long as it exists somewhere, new strains can and will be produced, and one of those strains might have the ability to negate or overwhelm these "retrocyclins." Once they can do that, they can reproduce, and the arms race proceeds.

      As I said, it might be possible that these retrocyclins are foolproof, but if history has taught us anything, it is that fools are often more clever than we give them credit for.

    15. Re:A bit unclear to me... by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      As for the HIV virus, as long as it exists somewhere, new strains can and will be produced, and one of those strains might have the ability to negate or overwhelm these "retrocyclins." Once they can do that, they can reproduce, and the arms race proceeds.

      It's still worth the effort though. Not researching this because HIV might mutate somewhere down the line isn't a very good argument. By "strengthening" HIV, you're talking about it becoming slightly altered so that it bypasses whatever "retrocyclin therapy" produces, not a HIV-tuberculosis-Ebola megamix.

  28. Typo in Summary by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

    I'm not telling where it is though.

  29. "Junk" DNA by ParticleGirl · · Score: 1

    The PLoS article

    I've always been fascinated by "junk DNA." It *can't* be junk; there is so much we don't know here... In fact, the definition of "junk DNA" is something along the lines of "DNA we have not yet identified" Evolution would not have allowed for the repeated (and repeated and repeated) replication of so much code if it wouldn't have been more costly to simply ignore it. More and more researchers think that these are sequences which had a use in regulation, spacing, etc, and which can be put together in new ways to code for various enzyme complexes... the raw material that new genes can be built from; evolution's toolkit.

    What I find really fascinating is this seeming reinforcement of that idea: researchers performing directed evolution, using nature's toolkit to put the raw materials together in useful new ways.

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    1. Re:"Junk" DNA by natehoy · · Score: 1

      "Junk DNA" = Evolution's college notes.

      Written down in earnest, referred to for the exam, then put in a drawer somewhere and never looked at again. You can't quite throw them away, because you put a lot of work into them. They don't have any current value, but some of the books contain some really good ideas (albeit discarded, but good ideas at the time) and some really BAD ideas.

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    2. Re:"Junk" DNA by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Well no, not useful new ways. Useful OLD ways. The process involves reactivating gene sequences that all humans currently carry in disabled form. They've been around a long time. Our copy just has a premature terminator in the sequence that prevents it from working. The article demonstrates that they've found a way to read past the terminator to pick up the rest of the sequence and produce fully viable human-grown retrocyclins, which kill HIV. Rather than putting together raw material, these researchers are removing old errors to reactivate existing old material.

    3. Re:"Junk" DNA by ParticleGirl · · Score: 1

      These researchers were definitely removing old errors to reactivate existing old material, as you say. But that does not mean that "junk" DNA is only useful when errors are removed and the code goes back to an "earlier" state. These sequences also recombine in new ways, and are incorporated into other areas of other sequences, and create new sequences, some of which prove to be useful-- recombination is one of the ways evolution new raw material to adopt or ignore.

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    4. Re:"Junk" DNA by waddleman · · Score: 1

      Obviously you don't worry about maintaining backwards compatibility while adding new features in your job.

    5. Re:"Junk" DNA by mauthbaux · · Score: 1

      I'm of the opinion that the person who coined the term "Junk DNA" did the field a disservice.

      Much of the 'junk' DNA did serve a purpose at one point; deactivated genes for instance. Much of it still serves a purpose now, such as coding elements and transcription factors (see the work of Sean Carroll for more info on this point). Some of it is there for epigenetic and structural modifications such as the methylation of cysteine residues, (and similarly the acetylation of histones) which actually changes the shape of the DNA helix itself (and this affects transcription). And some of it is there simply to take up space. Intron splicing, for example, requires a minimum distance between the exons to function properly; longer is okay, but too short and you'll start skipping out on pieces of genes that *should* be there. And, following one of the older theories about the purpose of the 'junk' DNA, it acts as a buffer space to limit the damage caused by mutations that *will* happen.

      So yes, the "junk DNA" isn't necessarily useless; but in many cases its sequence isn't necessarily meaningful either.

      To use a car analogy: Sometimes it's like analyzing the composition of your engine block, where changes in the trace elements can have an affect of the performance of the vehicle as a whole. And sometimes it's analyzing samples of the air residing in your door panel (between the exterior sheet metal and plasticky interior) It's there to take up space and its composition really doesn't matter overall.

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  30. Bad news for (HIV+) creationists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can only imagine the cognitive dissonance in an HIV-infected creationist when s/he finds out about this!

  31. Thank you Jesus! by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    For designing us with immunity but not turning it on so that the hemophiliacs (which you also must have intentionally designed in) can die horrible deaths.

  32. U.S. HIV Vaccine For $1,000 From by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your nearest Private Health Care Provider.

    courtesy of the protests by people who get socialized health care from Medicare.

    Yours In Health,
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  33. Darwin's Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This, I think, is the general idea behind the book "Darwin's Radio", various genes start "waking up" (for different reasons though). Not having read it I'm not too sure (and that's why I'm an AC!).

  34. Damn CIA by lengel · · Score: 1

    Why would the CIA be so dumb to create a virus that it turns out we may have a natural defense against hidden away in our DNA?

  35. Re:Did anybody see Jurassic Park? Planet of the Ap by jhfry · · Score: 4, Informative

    To dumb it down for you:

    "The mumbo jumbo we did caused the cells of some female naughty parts to create some stuff that made those cells safe from HIV."

    Don't feel too outclassed, they aren't getting laid either.

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  36. Not called junk DNA by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative
    The summary says "dismissively called junk DNA". That language does not occur in the serious study done by Nitya Venkataraman. I found the passage in the article, it says n "Previous reports revealed that aminoglycoside antibiotics could suppress the termination codon of pseudogenes and disease-associated nonsense mutations [19â"25]. In bacteria, "

    People be careful when you summarize research in evolution. Creationists are known to quote mine and they repeatedly quote the mistaken summary (like the one posted here in slashdot) but attribute it, wrongly and knowlingly to the science article. No matter how many times you correct they continue to persist in their misrepresentation. Finding pseudogene is quite common and it actually strengthens the argument for a common ancestor. Like all mammals can make their own Vitamin C. But we primates cant. The gene to make the vitamin exists as a mutated pseudogene in our genome. Such pseudogenes are quite common.

    But somehow in the mind of a creationist, gaining understanding of the original function of a pseudogene is somehow an evidence against evolution. Don't feed these trolls with sloppy summaries.

    I am very sure, creationists will trumpet "Scientists have pie in their face. New function found in junk DNA. Death of Evolution is neigh. Halleluja!" quoting this very summary.

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  37. Please remember, this is just a joke. by CorporateSuit · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just want to know how this bug got out of testing. You'd think "causes AIDS" would be a showstopper

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    1. Re:Please remember, this is just a joke. by wowbagger · · Score: 0, Troll

      I just want to know how this bug got out of testing. You'd think "causes AIDS" would be a showstopper

      Thus sayeth the Lord:
          "It is no bug, yea verily, it is a feature."
         

      Unfortunately, that is exactly what some organized religions would assert....

    2. Re:Please remember, this is just a joke. by Calithulu · · Score: 1

      Just proof that Intelligent Design is entirely accurate. Truly, his Pastaness does bless and love us.

    3. Re:Please remember, this is just a joke. by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Who's the dickweed that modded this troll?

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  38. HIV from african monkeys? by AZURERAZOR · · Score: 1

    Remember the theories about HIV coming from African monkeys. How does that square with this new-found immunity? Does it work by making the infected monkey just a carrier, without developing AIDS?

  39. Re:Did anybody see Jurassic Park? Planet of the Ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes. yes we are.

    Oh and we get laid a lot. Making 6 figures makes it far easier to get laid.

  40. Re:Not called junk DNA by ParticleGirl · · Score: 1

    Pseudogenes are one flavor of what is widely termed "junk DNA." There are several varieties of junk DNA including pseudogenes, introns, transposons and retroposons... and many pseudogenes, introns, transposons and retroposons are identified (and their functions better understood) regularly.

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  41. Wonderful post by MadAnalyst · · Score: 1

    I've just got to say props to the subby for linking to the original scientific article. For once the link doesn't go to some inaccurate, short mainstream media "summary" of the work that tries to stretch this into a complete cure for AIDS. Seriously a good time to RTFA.

    1. Re:Wonderful post by kyriosdelis · · Score: 1

      Well, a significant amount of papers can only be accessed via subscription to the respective journal, therefore for most of the /. readers, a link to the paper would be pointless. Good thing this one was published in PLoS Biology, one of the best open access journals.

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  42. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  43. What bothers me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What bothers me is that these genes were turned off for a reason. There very well may be a definite biological reason NOT to make these peptides. For example, there are plenty of organisms that can regenerate entire limbs or organs. This would seem to be an obvious advantage. Why would nature turn off such an ability in higher-order animals? It has to be that this ability comes at a cost that is now outweighed by the advantage of NOT being able to grow a new arm.

    1. Re:What bothers me... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Given that there is already a large primate population on Earth that's doing quite well with the genes naturally active, I don't see what you're worried about.

  44. o_O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modding the parent "insightful." Only on Slashdot.

  45. junk genes by pgag45 · · Score: 1

    are there not a population of europeans who are naturally immune to HIV? my other question: why don't these "junk" genes re-enable themselves by themselves? If they truly are evolutionary "college notes" why do they need intervention to going again?

  46. Groundbreaking by cfa22 · · Score: 1

    Fantastic work. These retrocyclins apparently operate like the currently-used T20 peptides that bind to a particular part of the HIV-1 surface spike protein complex and prevent it from "snapping together" to pull the virus and cell together. It basically interrupts the machinery of cell entry by the HIV particle. The fact that a bit of coaxing is enough to get human cells to produce retrocyclins that act this way is huge. It is plausible that our common ancestor evolved retrocyclins to combat ancient retroviruses and that, when our lineages diverged, our cell surface receptors changed enough to prevent infection by the ancient virus. Having no pressure the retrocyclin genes in the human lineage were allowed to go fallow. Fast forward a few million years and now retroviruses have evolved the means to recognize our cells once again. So it might be that there are a few individuals out there with a mutation at this retrocyclin gene that turns it back on; if HIV remains or becomes more virulent, the human population will become enriched in this mutation. It is remarkable that we can actually shortcut this process to intelligently guide our evolution.

  47. These things already being investigated by finity · · Score: 1

    I didn't see this already mentioned, but the Wikipedia page on Aminoglycosides mentions that these aminoglycoside antibiotics are already being investigated to treat cystic fibrosis because of their ability to make a cell "skip" the "termination codon." It says that a compound called gentamicin does this. So, these drugs are already being investigated for similar purposes. Maybe that'll speed the approval/testing of these things for HIV! It seems like somebody must already have an idea of what kinds of side effects will be encountered. This sounds like some pretty awesome stuff...

  48. "cervicovaginal"? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    This read to me like a mix of "cerveau" (the french word for "brain") and "vagina". And for a moment, I wondered if this is like thinking with the penis? ;)

    Why do doctors always have to use foreign words, when we have perfectly good native words? It feels very arrogant, like the Latin bibles, etc.
    The worst thing is, that in non-English languages, English world are added too. So you end up with whole sentence that do not contain one native word. And when you look the words up, yo notice that you can construct that entire sentence with native words only, without a loss of any meaning.

    To me it really is just an aspect of the "god complex" of the "gods in white". :/

    P.S.: I know that the people in TFA are more scientists. But the point is still true.

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    1. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This read to me like a mix of "cerveau" (the french word for "brain") and "vagina". And for a moment, I wondered if this is like thinking with the penis? ;)

      I thought it was pretty obvious, or maybe you've never heard of the "cervix".

    2. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by Sinbios · · Score: 1

      Is it entirely unobvious that it is a portmanteau of cervical and vaginal?!

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    3. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      This read to me like a mix of "cerveau" (the french word for "brain") and "vagina". And for a moment, I wondered if this is like thinking with the penis? ;)

      I thought it was pretty obvious, or maybe you've never heard of the "cervix".

      This is Slashdot. There are probably quite a few people here who are unfamiliar with female anatomy.

    4. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I can't speak for the rest of the Anonymous Cowards, but everything I learned, I learned from porn.

    5. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by Nathrael · · Score: 1

      Because, if you use latin terms, it's easier for doctors speaking different primary languages to communicate with each other. A US doc may be able to speak Japanese to some degree, but he'll face some difficulties if he's to work with a Japanese doc, because they use German instead of Latin for their medspeak (I think) and well, while learning a bit of Japanese is one thing, learning all the medical terms in Japanese as well is a bit difficult. Latin is the English of the medical word.

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    6. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      In addition, latin is preferred over vernacular because, as a dead language, technical texts written now or a hundred years ago will still be very readable in the future.

      Also, cerveau is french for brain, not head. Head would be tete, with an accent circumflex over the first E.

      Cervical and cerveau both originate from latin 'cervix': neck.

      -b

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    7. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Well, "cervical" was an unknown term for me, as it is non-existing in German, and English is my third language.
      Isn't it just a doctor's term in English too? (Honest question.)

      But you can exchange the word by any other foreign word. You still get my point, don't you? :)

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    8. Re:"cervicovaginal"? by Nathrael · · Score: 1

      medical terms in Japanese

      Uh, that should read German of course. Damn my sleepiness and lack of coffee.

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  49. Cell walls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for the record, animal cells don't have walls.

  50. Re:Not called junk DNA by jd.schmidt · · Score: 1

    Odd coincidence actually. A couple years ago I decided to read some of the more serious anti evolution literature to try and understand the counter arguments.

    One mathematician questioned evolution based on probability, in other words what are the odds that you could get the genes of real creatures from random mutation, what kind of time scales. The results were crazy big numbers, this was a pretty serious question that seemed needed to be addressed. So it occurred to me, what if there really weren't very many different DNA sequences (compared to the number possible), that useful sequences got reused a lot and that sequence or gene once useful got "written down" for future reference but deactivated. Much of evolution would just be retrying "known useful" sequences in new combinations, that could massively reduce the probabilities needed for evolution.

    Sure enough, as we learn more about DNA we find that these inactive DNA areas keep a lot of valuable information. I wonder if the amount of "extra" inactive DNA each species keeps is itself an adaptation, how quickly a species wants to be able to evolve. The more inactive stuff you have sitting around, the more likely it accidentally becomes active, so you have a balancing act between bad for individual vs. good to quickly adapt to new environment. So that might be why relatively simple creatures have so much DNA in them.

    Of cousre I am sure I was primed to make this "discovery" from other stuff I had read. Still, I think it shows the advantages of getting different points of view.

  51. DOES NOT WORK by aepervius · · Score: 1

    "STOP FUCKING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIED/SIGNIFIGANT OTHER!"

    Abstinence and fidelity DOES NOT WORK. FFS there is enough demonstration of that around. So instead of closing ear and say "LALALA Absteinence / fidelity LALALA" one should simply stop being deaf and blind and realize that the only real solution for us human is to give new tool to prevent the infection or fight it.

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  52. fip on all the gene switches by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    Anyone else thinking maybe we should just flip the switch to turn all the lights on and see what happens? :)

    (yes I know some stuff was probably deactivated for a very good reason)

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  53. Re:Prehistoric? New prerequisite for life? by davidsyes · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Dependency on a bunch of "monkey business"... let the irony begin...

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  54. Re:Not called junk DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice job: starting from an article about DNA you successfully managed to bash christians!

  55. Prevent HIV in plant life? by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

    can prevent HIV from entering cell walls

    Plant cells have cell walls beyond the cell membrane. Animal cells just have the membranes. Drat. :-)

    1. Re:Prevent HIV in plant life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. That was the first thing I noticed in the summary.

  56. Barklay's Protomorposis Syndrome by Crock23A · · Score: 1

    nuff said

  57. Latent Gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "They examined the human genome for any evidence of a latent gene that could manufacture such a protein"

    Weren't there reports of humans that were resistant to HIV?
    Maybe they should start checking their genome and see if this sequence is partially or fully active?

    1. Re:Latent Gene? by dpryan · · Score: 1

      Those patients have been studied and the variant in them (CCR5delta32) is different from this pseudogene. Work related to CCR5delta32 is ongoing.

  58. Two things... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    The PLoS publication was done in April. It took this long for us to notice? For shame.

    Also, did anybody notice how excrutiatingly careful the authors were to only provide one characterization of the effectiveness of this method? They said it "significantly reduces" the incidence of HIV. You have to read their graphs to discover that significant reduction means from 100% to 1% with error bars of 1%. Close enough to zero that it looks like all you'd have to do is wait a little longer to get right down TO zero. This isn't just a treatment for improving lifespans and quality of life of infected persons. It's a treatment for turning them into completely uninfected persons. It's a CURE, not just a slightly better defense.

    And it worked in 9 days, in their lab tests of very small groups of cells. That sounds like not only a total cure, but a fast total cure. One supposes it would take longer than 9 days to completely kill off the virus everywhere in an adult, but still not very long. Two weeks to a cure?

    Astounding.

  59. Re:Did anybody see Jurassic Park? Planet of the Ap by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    I disagree. They created females naughty parts immune to HIV. Guilt free, lab grown poontang.

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  60. Junk DNA isn't by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    I've always thought it hubris for scientists to take a set of gene sequences, the functions of which are not yet understood, and proclaim them "junk." From time to time an article like this comes along, proving me correct.

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    1. Re:Junk DNA isn't by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I've always thought it hubris for scientists to take a set of gene sequences, the functions of which are not yet understood, and proclaim them "junk." From time to time an article like this comes along, proving me correct.

      Um, no, it just means that you don't understand the name. Nobody (well, ok, nobody with half a brain) ever suggested that junk DNA is completely useless. It was simply a term used to refer to segments of DNA which appeared to have no current function. It's a place-filler name, like "dark matter" - just a useful word to use until we have a chance to figure it out better.

  61. injection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this is an antibiotic, why can't it be given as an injection rather than a topical cream? HIV is passed on in a lot more ways than just vaginal intercourse.

  62. Jargon by cmeans · · Score: 1

    As I read the summary, I thought I was listening to Doctor Crusher spew some futuristic medical jargon.

    Thought maybe this was the pilot for a new Star Trek series.

  63. it IS junk by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    at a particular time and place

    but revive an old enemy, like a retrovirus, and suddenly its nice to have that attic/ basement to rummage around in and pull out that old doodad, rather than having to build/ buy it all over again

    the problem is that there is effort required to be resistant to a disease. whatever genes express for has a cost associated with it. so it pays to stop expressing certain genes, to be more efficient, and so HIV resistance has been abandoned over the years... but the threat hasn't gone away

    so it ALSO pays to keep the genes for expressing that rare need should the need ever rise again. "junk" dna provides quick turnaround when dealing with rare/ uncommon challenges, without having to evolve the ability all over again

    junk dna is genetic flexibility, accrued genetic wisdom over billions of years that can be called upon again a lot more quicker than re-evolving a trait. but it IS junk, for most normal time and places

    so perhaps we should call it basement dna instead of junk dna? ;-)

    you might have an old cassette radio in your basement from the 1980s. what is that useful for? suddenly the power goes out. what's going on? plop some batteries in that cassette radio, tune into AM news, and find out. suddenly the completely useless is very useful: junk dna. once in a blue moon dna

    you don't keep it on your kitchen counter, you keep it in your basement. your body has stopped expressing certain genes, but it doesn't throw them out, it just relegates it to the genetic basement

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  64. Planet of the Apes by parallel_prankster · · Score: 0

    So, we are all becoming monkeys, is it ? Just yesterday we were talking about itching and today this !!

  65. MOD PARENT UP!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    rofl!

  66. true or false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had heard that about 10% of the population was immune anyway... does anyone know if this is true?

  67. Pedants of the web, UNITE! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    the ability to smell tyrannosaur breath. (Pedants: Look, its a joke, please don't bother pointing out the time line here, Ok?).

    Actually, you were correct without the disclaimer. Just because humans didn't exist at the same time as t-rex, doesn't mean that we didn't retain genetic traits from the creatures that we evolved from. So it is entirely possible that we might have broken genes that might be good for detecting t-rex breath.

    I for one, sure hope we do. I mean, we have all seen 'Jurassic Park'...

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  68. The other advantage of (general) monogamy by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The other advantage of monogamy over polygyny is that, with polygyny, a few rich guys suck in a lot of the hot babes and the bulk of the males end up with a less desirable partner or none at all.

    So if they want the nerds to reproduce and raise rug-nerds to keep the infrastructure running for their heirs to milk, the ruling class needs to give up on, or at least limit the size of, their harems.

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  69. Re:Not called junk DNA by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    No I bashed creationists. Nice try lumping creationists with Christians to provoke a reaction. But most Christians are quite strong in their faith and they dont have any problems with evolution. And Creationists come in from all religions, Christians, Muslims, and a sprinkling of Jews, Hindus and Buddhists.

    To be fair it is only the Christian Creationists who use unfair tactics and blatantly violate the commandment against bearing false witness.

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  70. Re:Not called junk DNA by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    Sure enough, as we learn more about DNA we find that these inactive DNA areas keep a lot of valuable information. I wonder if the amount of "extra" inactive DNA each species keeps is itself an adaptation, how quickly a species wants to be able to evolve.

    No. evolution has no foresight, it has no intent and a species can not want to evolve in a certain direction. The way it happens, an error happens in duplication and if the error adversely affects the survival, that lineage goes extinct. Some of the errors and complete duplication of an entire gene. Some times duplication is harmful and in that case they too die off. If it has no effect both copies survive. Even if one copy gets a corruption the other copy does the job. If the error in the copy is beneficial it survives. If it is harmfull it dies off. If it is neutral but just deactivates the original job of the gene it becomes a pseudogene.

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  71. In Slashdot language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, you're running a specialized build of the Simian OS ("Hairless Human"). It turns out that Human has a security hole: its theta-defensin package is corrupted, leaving the cervicovaginal network protocol open to attack.

    Fortunately, Simian OS has recently gone open-source. You know there are other versions ("Bashful Baboon") where theta-defensin works properly. So you compare the files side-by-side. You realize the problem immediately - there's an unclosed comment tag.* The code is still there, but the interpreter skips over it.

    It should be a simple fix. However, Simian OS has *very* limited update capabilities. You can't overwrite the file. But you can run a script (aminoglycoside.pl), which causes the interpreter to randomly ignore comment tags.

    This isn't ideal, of course. You're affecting the whole system - theta-defensin will run, but so will other random bits of non-code, and you have to hope that the native error-handling can deal with this. Only one way to find out...

    * Actually, the make-a-protein language tags working code - everything else is assumed to be a comment. So the problem is a premature end-tag, or termination codon.

  72. Good old PC by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

    I'll make sure to spread the word that everyone has to say "caveperson" now in order to avoid hurting your delicate feelings, regardless of whether they are sexist or not.

    1. Re:Good old PC by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I really don't care. It was just funnier without the extra comment.

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    2. Re:Good old PC by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I thought you were replying to the OP, I didn't see the Score: 0 tool above you.

  73. Nethack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I know that bones files can be annoying, but a wand of cancellation or a blessed scroll of remove curse can take care of that right quick.

    Also, if you're smart enough to keep everything in bags, only the bag will end up cursed (though you definitely have to uncurse a bag of holding before you loot it!)

  74. Hmmm, I wonder? by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong?

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  75. Just make sure your house is by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    secure

    I see "Velociraptors" there while I'm playing "Jurassic Park". Though there aren't any velociraptors in it Tremors II: Aftershocks has a window scene.

    Falcon

  76. If there is one thing to be learned on slashdot, by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    it has to be sarcasm.

    Ir seems people need to learn mind reading to be able to know when someone's being sarcastic.

    Falcon

  77. Why exclusively men? by Zigbigadoorlue · · Score: 1

    I am part of the polyamorous community and there are just as many woman as men.

  78. Intelligent Design by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    we wouldn't have this silly evolution vs. intelligent design argument at all

    I heard, er read, where people have said God used evolution in his design. Personally I don't believe in any supreme deity. I think the hypothesis in "Mission To Mars" to be more probable. Of course those who promote ID avoid saying who the designer is, so as to fool people into accepting it.

    Falcon

  79. Good for us and our "junk" DNA. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I didn't see "junk" anywhere when I read TFA so I did search for it but still didn't find it. The closest I did see was pseudogene. TFA doesn't surprise me, in the past couple of years or so I've run across articles like this, saying how some scientists have found a use for some "junk dna".

    What most people don't realize, I didn't know myself, was that there's more genes and genetic information in humans from bacteria, fungi, microbes, viruses, and other microorganisms than in the human genome. While the human genome contains over 3 billion DNA base pairs and 20,000-25,000 protein-coding genes, about 10 trillion non human cells live in the human gut alone making up the gut flora.

    Falcon

  80. humans didn't exist at the same time as t-rex by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    What, you never heard of the Creation Museum? Humans and dinosaurs lived together, dinosaurs were wiped out by the Great Flood. ;-)

    Falcon

  81. Things don't evolve "for a reason". by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    They just evolve.

    They evolve for a reason. As my dictionary and others have "noun: an explanation of the cause of some phenomenon" as one definition for "reason" there is reason in evolution. Something causes evolution, even if it's random mutation.

    Falcon

  82. polygyny by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    The other advantage of monogamy over polygyny is that, with polygyny, a few rich guys suck in a lot of the hot babes and the bulk of the males end up with a less desirable partner or none at all.

    Ah, it's good to see there are others who know that what some Mormon sects and Muslims practice is not polygamy. Too many refuse to recognize what they practice is polygyny, where a male can have more than one wife whereas a female can only have one husband. They refuse to admit that polygamy allows both males and females to have more than one spouse. Then there's polyandry, wherein females can have more than one husband, as well.

    Falcon

  83. Dear Creator.. by IRoll11!s · · Score: 1

    Let me get this straight... You created us, then imbued us with a desire over all others to go out and procreate. Then you created a whole host of nasty bugs, microbes and viruses that would kill us when we carried out that desire, AIDS being just one. Then you coded in the ability to have us resist AIDS, and turned around and COMMENTED OUT THE CODE!? Seriously, wtf? Is it still all about that apple? Dude... let it go man, it's been like a zillion years!

  84. Re:Prehistoric?...seriously though by daemonenwind · · Score: 1

    Everything about the world religious nuts don't understand, they attribute to God.
    Everything about the world evolution nuts don't understand, they call junk.

    Interesting difference.

  85. HIV immunity by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are reports of some women in Africa that are immune to HIV.

    Years ago there was an article linked to on Slashdot about some women prostitutes in Africa who were immune. I tried to find it but perhaps I didn't spend enough tyme because I didn't find it. A few days ago I found another one where some women in China appeared to be immune as well. Here's "Two women found with HIV-immune mutant gene".

    Falcon

  86. Why? by Bensam123 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps before we turn it back on, we should figure out why it was shut off in the first place. There has to be a reason we evolved in a way that it's now off.

  87. HIV preventation by laylaukfan · · Score: 1

    Sounds fantastic, but is it real?

  88. medieval plagues and HIV by Dr.Ruud · · Score: 1

    google: hiv plague

    google: CCR5-D32