But the point was that Nokia has vast spectrum of devices which largely have quite good UI for what they do and for their hardware (and hence price). Yes, S60 has some...peculiarities, but that's also related to low cost of phones (they aren't that far now from this "100-dollar-phone", for which "it doesn't really matter"); and how long time ago Nokia launched it. In a place dominated by their classic UIs; it doesn't ruin the functionality much in this case.
Assuming that there are ET whose existence only needs to be confirmed is superstitious.
To know anything about their prevalence, you have to search a bit (and we are doing just that, "a bit", with limited technical capabilities and minimal funds). Dismissing this, necessary for scientific evaluation, step is bordering on superstitious...
It's hardly a matter of "believe" whether or not something qualifies as real science, the methodology matters; even when not finding anything with its methods in our galactic vicinity, SETI gives us an important data refining the probabilities of technological civilizations, our long term survival outlooks, etc.
Also, SETI is complimentary with other areas of astronomy. Heck, SETI@home searches not only for "ET" ( http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_info.php section "Sources of pulses"); it brought the idea of distributed computing into the mainstream and gave other scientific endeavors BOINC to use.
See what I mean? In discussion about societal hardships of Iranians, pointing fingers at Islam is relatively acceptable.
But mentioning that this isn't specific to Islam, and hence pointing at it as the deciding factor, in isolation to much bigger issues, is counter-productive...is suddenly seen as out of scope of discussion.
Which leads me to suspicion that the ones not applying the same fair treatment for all religions in this context, the ones blaming Islam in case of Iran and similar states are simply on a new kind of crusade...but with the same old "our faith vs. theirs".
Invisibility cloak depends on "bending" the light on the surface of the object. If something "disturbs" the path of light behind perfectly cloaked object, that something is visible (otherwise that wouldn't be an invisibility cloak!).
Most importantly, handsets use less power when on GSM.
I don't see GSM being killed for a long, long time. It's like DVD, an example of "good enough" for majority of population, especially those who basically just call and text. 3G benefits are either not used or manifest themselves in very specific scenarios, "modem" function mostly.
Security also is good enough. As this attempt shows, it's non-trivial to crack. And "lawful wiretapping" bypasses it anyway also for UMTS.
So if Nokia's are at all popular it is a very regional thing.
You really can't see the reality that it's the other way around? Lack of popularity is a very regional thing in case of Nokia. They're number 1 in almost whole world.
This, BTW...
The only filesystem was that required by the CDMA base-band
...is a clear indication of your regional bias. CDMA phones are a small side business for Nokia.
Heck, look at one sect of Christianity - Catholicism; it's head is at the same time the ruler of authoritarian oligarchy, more or less accepted in the West. And you don't have to look much back in history to see times where Christians, in lands where they had the might of numbers to do it, striven to dominate public life. You can still find such places. It was like that for most of the last two millennia... It was a perfect match for feudalism.
No, many intermingled factors contributed to our modern societies. Religion is one of them of course, but not solely in "benevolent influence" category. Or...not solely in in "damnation of freedom" in case of Islam, like you portrayed it.
(yeah, it's my pet peeve lately, very visible during recent "cross debate" in parts of Europe; you hear "but Christianity is part European heritage!" all the time. Which is correct of course (if a bit ill-applied). Now, what's funny is when anybody points out...issues in other areas, you hear from the same people "Lies! That had nothing to do with Christianity!";p )
He will have to spend the rest of his life on some sort of public aid. He may become a bitter angry person that cannot contribute to society even if he wants to contribute. What a goddamn waste.
Oh he might still contribute, just not in the way the society would like it. First he'll feel harmed, then will come anger, then hate...
BTW, why it is called sociopathy if its a result of wrongdoing (in such case) by...society? The term is contradictory then, when it's primary an outcome of societal influence. One is doing / becoming exactly what society wants from him.
It's not like they're pushing S30 into markets that can easily afford, for the most part, S40 devices. From the looks & prices of S30 devices, it really does seem Nokia can lower the price a bit that way, for where it matters.
I have the impression you're talking about the number of features. They are not the only factor for large parts of market, when low price, lack of GPRS in the cell network anyway or, yes, easy to use UI are also important. Plus durability, reception and ridiculously long battery time, that's why I like to keep recent S30 device around as backup or for hiking.
Wanna see real abomination? Check those calculator-like cellphones "for the elderly", ridiculously overpriced and yet cheaply made.
I hear that for some time, but don't quite see it... (and TBH I would love really affordable, "standard" (OS modifications-wise, open to official updates) and durable Android device)
First, "free" phones with contract still depend on the total price of contract, so that's beside the point. Secondly, there is a lot of talk about Android phones that will be "cheap". So far I only see "on the cheap", at most. And even those are expensive touchscreen-only devices.
Do you seriously think they will cost, in 2 years, as little as Nokia 1202, 1208, 1616 (look them up) do know? And be similarly durable, with similar battery times? I seriously doubt it. And even if it would happen - what, exactly, is stopping Nokia from being cheaper? It should be easy for them, with the economy of scale (they have 40% of global market...) and established distribution channels throughout the world. And attachment to the brand - almost 2 billion users means something, don't you think? (heck, they seem to be willing to pay more for Nokia - in large part of low-end & low middle segment you get a better deal with SE phones for example; apart from durability)
Define "crappy". Majority of their phones are used only for phonecalls and text messages. Sometimes quick photo. Given that people across the spectrum manage to do it just fine (and I can't imagine non-trivial portion of them using anything with a touchscreen, for example), I'd suspect S30 and S40 are better than you give them credit.
Plus...please, how exactly a low-end (TRUE low-end, not what American would call like that but what is in reality high middle segment) phone can be much different at this point? Noticeable dent? Are you kidding? Nokia is the only hugely profitable phone manufacturer (other either are out of the market, struggling for a long time, or phones aren't their primary product; with the possible exception of RIM, though they basically sell a corporate service, not phones). Nokia marketshare: ~40% of global market, over 50% of smartphones. You just don't see it because your carriers were blocking Nokia from entering for a long time, for Nokia refusal to castrate their devices.
Now that Symbian will improve when devices with it are becoming really affordable, nearing $100 mark without contract, you should probably get used to the thought of bright future for Nokia.
PS. "look up someone's name by their phone number"? You mean when you have a number, but don't know to who it belongs to? That's trivial even on the cheapest, 20 Euro Nokia phone... (also, realize that most of the market doesn't care and doesn't want to change the order of icons; plus it speeds up navigation, lets you use numpad to spatially associated to icons on a grid)
Android will be on phones that are selling for $19.99
BS. Android will be on phones that sell for that much with contract. Nokia has phones selling for 20 Euro without any.
You don't realize how non-representative is cellphone market in the US. Nokia is hardly visible to you because US carriers didn't let it in, after Nokia refused to castrate its phones too much. But throughout the world they dominate. ~40% of whole cellphone market. Over 50% of world smartphone market. And people seem to emphasize basic functionality of cellphones more...
Though Maemo/Hildom were improved since then, have shown there is some work being done at Nokia, and so on... Besides iPhone was even hardly a smarpthone until a year after its launch.;p
Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yes, Apple pushed the market, and they should be applauded for that. But I think that the story will repeat itself and something else will prove dominant... (heck, Nokia is dominant, with ~40% of all cellphones and over 50% of smartphones; that might be why they find it hard/slow to significantly change their platforms...too many people are used to them)
I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Nokia ships more S30 devices (1100, 1200, 1208, 1661, 1202, 1280, 1616, 5030; that sort of stuff) than all other classes combined.
And...E63, are you kidding?! More like 6730 Classic, eventually E51 if you want to include E-series.
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This news thing wants to be able to group different applications in tabs of one window.
But the point was that Nokia has vast spectrum of devices which largely have quite good UI for what they do and for their hardware (and hence price). Yes, S60 has some...peculiarities, but that's also related to low cost of phones (they aren't that far now from this "100-dollar-phone", for which "it doesn't really matter"); and how long time ago Nokia launched it. In a place dominated by their classic UIs; it doesn't ruin the functionality much in this case.
He was replying to my earlier post mentioning all classes of devices, even specifically mentioning 20 Euro Nokia phones.
And it's no wonder your wife has difficulty using a phone that doesn't exist...I'd say it's almost a miracle she manages to make calls.
No.
Assuming that there are ET whose existence only needs to be confirmed is superstitious.
To know anything about their prevalence, you have to search a bit (and we are doing just that, "a bit", with limited technical capabilities and minimal funds). Dismissing this, necessary for scientific evaluation, step is bordering on superstitious...
SETI@home searches also for pulsars, primordial black holes and new kinds of astrophysical phenomena that are outside of scope of "ET"
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_info.php
You can thank yourself, for leaving screensaver settings more or less intact but disabling monitor shut down.
It's hardly a matter of "believe" whether or not something qualifies as real science, the methodology matters; even when not finding anything with its methods in our galactic vicinity, SETI gives us an important data refining the probabilities of technological civilizations, our long term survival outlooks, etc.
Also, SETI is complimentary with other areas of astronomy. Heck, SETI@home searches not only for "ET" ( http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_info.php section "Sources of pulses"); it brought the idea of distributed computing into the mainstream and gave other scientific endeavors BOINC to use.
See what I mean? In discussion about societal hardships of Iranians, pointing fingers at Islam is relatively acceptable.
But mentioning that this isn't specific to Islam, and hence pointing at it as the deciding factor, in isolation to much bigger issues, is counter-productive...is suddenly seen as out of scope of discussion.
Which leads me to suspicion that the ones not applying the same fair treatment for all religions in this context, the ones blaming Islam in case of Iran and similar states are simply on a new kind of crusade...but with the same old "our faith vs. theirs".
That won't lead to anything good.
Invisibility cloak depends on "bending" the light on the surface of the object. If something "disturbs" the path of light behind perfectly cloaked object, that something is visible (otherwise that wouldn't be an invisibility cloak!).
That's why we have things like inertial navigation. Used already in comparable scenarios, in submarines for example.
The "catcher" of light at the back of cloaked individual/machine would be visible from the other side.
The problem is, with things like sensor networks, there can be no time at all when "no one is watching", at least not near anything interesting.
Most importantly, handsets use less power when on GSM.
I don't see GSM being killed for a long, long time. It's like DVD, an example of "good enough" for majority of population, especially those who basically just call and text. 3G benefits are either not used or manifest themselves in very specific scenarios, "modem" function mostly.
Security also is good enough. As this attempt shows, it's non-trivial to crack. And "lawful wiretapping" bypasses it anyway also for UMTS.
So if Nokia's are at all popular it is a very regional thing.
You really can't see the reality that it's the other way around? Lack of popularity is a very regional thing in case of Nokia. They're number 1 in almost whole world.
This, BTW...
The only filesystem was that required by the CDMA base-band
...is a clear indication of your regional bias. CDMA phones are a small side business for Nokia.
That's not limited to Islam...
Heck, look at one sect of Christianity - Catholicism; it's head is at the same time the ruler of authoritarian oligarchy, more or less accepted in the West. And you don't have to look much back in history to see times where Christians, in lands where they had the might of numbers to do it, striven to dominate public life. You can still find such places. It was like that for most of the last two millennia... It was a perfect match for feudalism.
No, many intermingled factors contributed to our modern societies. Religion is one of them of course, but not solely in "benevolent influence" category. Or...not solely in in "damnation of freedom" in case of Islam, like you portrayed it.
(yeah, it's my pet peeve lately, very visible during recent "cross debate" in parts of Europe; you hear "but Christianity is part European heritage!" all the time. Which is correct of course (if a bit ill-applied). ;p )
Now, what's funny is when anybody points out...issues in other areas, you hear from the same people "Lies! That had nothing to do with Christianity!"
You seem to forget that collapse of Rome was into fervent Christianity.
In fact, conversion to Christianity, adopting it as the state religion, came a century before Fall of Rome
He will have to spend the rest of his life on some sort of public aid. He may become a bitter angry person that cannot contribute to society even if he wants to contribute. What a goddamn waste.
Oh he might still contribute, just not in the way the society would like it. First he'll feel harmed, then will come anger, then hate...
BTW, why it is called sociopathy if its a result of wrongdoing (in such case) by...society? The term is contradictory then, when it's primary an outcome of societal influence. One is doing / becoming exactly what society wants from him.
It's not like they're pushing S30 into markets that can easily afford, for the most part, S40 devices. From the looks & prices of S30 devices, it really does seem Nokia can lower the price a bit that way, for where it matters.
I have the impression you're talking about the number of features. They are not the only factor for large parts of market, when low price, lack of GPRS in the cell network anyway or, yes, easy to use UI are also important. Plus durability, reception and ridiculously long battery time, that's why I like to keep recent S30 device around as backup or for hiking.
Wanna see real abomination? Check those calculator-like cellphones "for the elderly", ridiculously overpriced and yet cheaply made.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvdisaster/
http://dvdisaster.net/en/index.html
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Or something which will make par files...
E52 to the rescue at some later point in time?
I hear that for some time, but don't quite see it... (and TBH I would love really affordable, "standard" (OS modifications-wise, open to official updates) and durable Android device)
First, "free" phones with contract still depend on the total price of contract, so that's beside the point. Secondly, there is a lot of talk about Android phones that will be "cheap". So far I only see "on the cheap", at most. And even those are expensive touchscreen-only devices.
Do you seriously think they will cost, in 2 years, as little as Nokia 1202, 1208, 1616 (look them up) do know? And be similarly durable, with similar battery times? I seriously doubt it. And even if it would happen - what, exactly, is stopping Nokia from being cheaper? It should be easy for them, with the economy of scale (they have 40% of global market...) and established distribution channels throughout the world. And attachment to the brand - almost 2 billion users means something, don't you think? (heck, they seem to be willing to pay more for Nokia - in large part of low-end & low middle segment you get a better deal with SE phones for example; apart from durability)
Define "crappy". Majority of their phones are used only for phonecalls and text messages. Sometimes quick photo. Given that people across the spectrum manage to do it just fine (and I can't imagine non-trivial portion of them using anything with a touchscreen, for example), I'd suspect S30 and S40 are better than you give them credit.
Plus...please, how exactly a low-end (TRUE low-end, not what American would call like that but what is in reality high middle segment) phone can be much different at this point? Noticeable dent? Are you kidding? Nokia is the only hugely profitable phone manufacturer (other either are out of the market, struggling for a long time, or phones aren't their primary product; with the possible exception of RIM, though they basically sell a corporate service, not phones). Nokia marketshare: ~40% of global market, over 50% of smartphones. You just don't see it because your carriers were blocking Nokia from entering for a long time, for Nokia refusal to castrate their devices.
Now that Symbian will improve when devices with it are becoming really affordable, nearing $100 mark without contract, you should probably get used to the thought of bright future for Nokia.
PS. "look up someone's name by their phone number"? You mean when you have a number, but don't know to who it belongs to? That's trivial even on the cheapest, 20 Euro Nokia phone... (also, realize that most of the market doesn't care and doesn't want to change the order of icons; plus it speeds up navigation, lets you use numpad to spatially associated to icons on a grid)
Android will be on phones that are selling for $19.99
BS. Android will be on phones that sell for that much with contract. Nokia has phones selling for 20 Euro without any.
You don't realize how non-representative is cellphone market in the US. Nokia is hardly visible to you because US carriers didn't let it in, after Nokia refused to castrate its phones too much. But throughout the world they dominate. ~40% of whole cellphone market. Over 50% of world smartphone market. And people seem to emphasize basic functionality of cellphones more...
Though Maemo/Hildom were improved since then, have shown there is some work being done at Nokia, and so on... Besides iPhone was even hardly a smarpthone until a year after its launch. ;p
Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yes, Apple pushed the market, and they should be applauded for that. But I think that the story will repeat itself and something else will prove dominant... (heck, Nokia is dominant, with ~40% of all cellphones and over 50% of smartphones; that might be why they find it hard/slow to significantly change their platforms...too many people are used to them)
You forget about S30 ;p
I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Nokia ships more S30 devices (1100, 1200, 1208, 1661, 1202, 1280, 1616, 5030; that sort of stuff) than all other classes combined.
And...E63, are you kidding?! More like 6730 Classic, eventually E51 if you want to include E-series.