In most of the world palmtops were very ignored. And of course "DOS != Windows", that's not the point - the phenomenon was IMHO largely a continuity of early success / exploiting its ramifications.
I think it doesn't make much difference. What is "ideally" and why would it matter? Once some homo sapiens are in a different system than you, they are almost as well as nonexistent (recollect the relations of distant human populations before the Age of Discovery, before suitable vessels... which most likely won't ever become available for interstellar; similar thing, to a large degree, would happen even with outer planets of our system - not to mention scattered disk or Oort cloud), except for some (why would they waste resources on hellishly powerful transmitters?) amount of exchanged data, a scientific curiosity.
So why would you direct half the GDP of your system for their mission? What about that as far as waste of resources goes? Was there ever a society which funded such expensive exploration even when expecting results / gold / etc.? What about - when expecting no returns at all? (apart from "oh, that's curious" results)
OTOH, slow Orion of "interplanetary" type (or reactor + electric propulsion; or beamed power sail; whatever), carrying virtually all (at least) colonists microscopic & in stasis, seems affordable enough... As far as the other plausible IMHO method - I don't mean riding an asteroid or comet, just hopping. That would still be a rather quick spread, in geological terms. Speedups from "faster" methods would barely register (considering a much more developed & united industry necessary for sending such vessels)
There is no distinction when talking about costs of kg in commercial launches (in fact, launch pad so close to the equator gives noticeably lower costs...); manned spacecraft is pretty much fixed in configuration.
Zenit costs below $3k per kg to LEO, the rests isn't too far behind (while, at least the post-Soviet ones, providing nice profits to their operators). When I said how Falcon matches their ranges, I was being generous.
So it's just a digital version of those little books with portions of catechism, prayers, checklists for sacraments (for example - confession), etc.? Plus a notepad? (even safer, actually!) Not much of news...
Anonymity isn't particularly inherent - you might as well be in quite intimate relation (I'm going to hell for this pun;) ) with your confessor. And similarly, nothing forces you to maintain strict confidentiality; that is of concern only to your confessor (well, I believe there is also some rule about maintaining the confidentiality of accidentally heard, etc., confession of someone else's)
Such price per kg (basically, at this point, claimed one...) of Falcon just matches the ranges of Zenit, Proton, Long March or Soyuz... (a launchpad for the latter is almost ready in French Guiana BTW)
Well, to be fair, "Soyuz" or "Salyut" (to mention just two from memory) are similarly stupid names... as will be "Rus". Simply just foreign and mysterious, hence sounding attractive (a trick unavailable for "Liberty", being very widely understood / cheapened by ridiculous rhetoric during the past decade)
At least there's always hope the name will become a sort of generalized trademark... (what perhaps happened with you & Liberty ships?)
It's certainly in the direction of "free market success"... and consider how most of the cherished, really really private, space companies also greatly depend on old developments (Bigelow is NASA Transhab; SpaceX, iirc, basing their engine tech on some earlier ideas / generally grabbing lots of existing engineering talent in the area; new Taurus rocket using ex-Soviet engines and the first stage developed by Ukrainians)
Just slight funny in how it makes the semi-nationalistic motives of armchair stalinist libertarians shining through;p (don't tell them that James Web Space Telescope will launch on Ariane 5;p )
Yes, the press release itself would also seem as a bit of a lip-service, considering ESA just finishes in Kourou a launchpad for Soyuz rocket;>>... generally having a long and very fruitful cooperation with the Russians. One of its major members is even the only instance, I believe, of leaving the alliance;p (granted, they recently returned; were in the meantime still very much aligned, as well as ESA members which never were members)
Yes, and it was a failure. This is a new project, saving what is possible from the previous one (and also fishing for components on the free market)... what, now you want all that past money to be totally wasted?
There's even more profound example of cooperation / etc. - Liberty ships from WW2. But the times of those examples had an... unique character. The current one (and for somewhat different reasons...) would somehow cheapen the undertone of historical ones, IMHO)
The new rocket appears to have virtually the same planned mass to LEO as Ariane 5... so not much reason for Astrium. Other then selling to operate their technology of course, basically in the form of Ariane-5 core (Free Market! Wait, what, it's good only when you have a free hand to operate in other places? Oh, got it... nvm, carry on)
This is still local pork, it matters most for ATK.
From a quick glance at announced specifications - this new rocket will have virtually the same launch mass to LEO as Ariane 5... so there really doesn't seem to be much of a reason for Astrium. Other then selling their technology of course, basically in the form of Ariane-5 core.
Mostly just the solid stage comes from Ares / ATK (...something which was supposedly "virtually ready" anyways, according to proponents). Astrium just seems to provide a stage of their own.
It's not Ariane V, it's Ariane 5. And also not Ares 1, but Ares I... don't do it, it looks & feels bad.
(the end result is not really Ares anyway... yes, it will use the solid stage from ATK. But the rest would be mostly Ariane 5-derived, it seems)
PS. WTF, "Liberty" rocket?! How on Earth Astrium agreed to such ridiculous name?... (will any possible manned spacecraft launched by this rocket include "freedom fries" in its menu?)
Now I wonder if that couldn't be one of the reasons contributing to how Apple virtually doesn't exist in most of the world (Part 3 of this report, while only about top handsets in each of top20 countries, is fairly representative as far I can tell / from few places I had contact with) - a rather minor reason, sure (way after "Big Mac Index" of course, after big increases in absolute price of any "premium" item - the higher the less prosperous a given place is), but still...
To me, it seems there's not much crapware on any random new laptop; it tends to not ruin the experience. Not much of an incentive, I guess (even for my reasonably prosperous place) - and considering how the OS image needs to be different (localized versions of Windows), it would only require more effort.
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A horrible thing then, how the classic S60 is no more in latest Symbian...
In most of the world palmtops were very ignored. And of course "DOS != Windows", that's not the point - the phenomenon was IMHO largely a continuity of early success / exploiting its ramifications.
...and the probe at some early point in "bringing up to speed" would be even no longer orbiting the Earth.
I think it doesn't make much difference. What is "ideally" and why would it matter? Once some homo sapiens are in a different system than you, they are almost as well as nonexistent (recollect the relations of distant human populations before the Age of Discovery, before suitable vessels... which most likely won't ever become available for interstellar; similar thing, to a large degree, would happen even with outer planets of our system - not to mention scattered disk or Oort cloud), except for some (why would they waste resources on hellishly powerful transmitters?) amount of exchanged data, a scientific curiosity.
So why would you direct half the GDP of your system for their mission? What about that as far as waste of resources goes? Was there ever a society which funded such expensive exploration even when expecting results / gold / etc.? What about - when expecting no returns at all? (apart from "oh, that's curious" results)
OTOH, slow Orion of "interplanetary" type (or reactor + electric propulsion; or beamed power sail; whatever), carrying virtually all (at least) colonists microscopic & in stasis, seems affordable enough... As far as the other plausible IMHO method - I don't mean riding an asteroid or comet, just hopping. That would still be a rather quick spread, in geological terms. Speedups from "faster" methods would barely register (considering a much more developed & united industry necessary for sending such vessels)
You made it a binary choice, involved "sober" ... and you know, even most alcoholics claim things you do.
There is no distinction when talking about costs of kg in commercial launches (in fact, launch pad so close to the equator gives noticeably lower costs...); manned spacecraft is pretty much fixed in configuration.
You mean US engineers with lots of experience in the field, grabbed by SpaceX?
Zenit costs below $3k per kg to LEO, the rests isn't too far behind (while, at least the post-Soviet ones, providing nice profits to their operators). When I said how Falcon matches their ranges, I was being generous.
So it's just a digital version of those little books with portions of catechism, prayers, checklists for sacraments (for example - confession), etc.? Plus a notepad? (even safer, actually!) Not much of news...
Anonymity isn't particularly inherent - you might as well be in quite intimate relation (I'm going to hell for this pun ;) ) with your confessor. And similarly, nothing forces you to maintain strict confidentiality; that is of concern only to your confessor (well, I believe there is also some rule about maintaining the confidentiality of accidentally heard, etc., confession of someone else's)
Well, recording efforts of some driver to, say, drive away after a major crash could be...revealing.
The story seems to be very much about a manned rocket ... and BTW, the only way for SRBs to pass man-rating standards was to relax the standards.
Such price per kg (basically, at this point, claimed one...) of Falcon just matches the ranges of Zenit, Proton, Long March or Soyuz... (a launchpad for the latter is almost ready in French Guiana BTW)
Well, to be fair, "Soyuz" or "Salyut" (to mention just two from memory) are similarly stupid names... as will be "Rus". Simply just foreign and mysterious, hence sounding attractive (a trick unavailable for "Liberty", being very widely understood / cheapened by ridiculous rhetoric during the past decade)
At least there's always hope the name will become a sort of generalized trademark... (what perhaps happened with you & Liberty ships?)
It's certainly in the direction of "free market success"... and consider how most of the cherished, really really private, space companies also greatly depend on old developments (Bigelow is NASA Transhab; SpaceX, iirc, basing their engine tech on some earlier ideas / generally grabbing lots of existing engineering talent in the area; new Taurus rocket using ex-Soviet engines and the first stage developed by Ukrainians)
;p (don't tell them that James Web Space Telescope will launch on Ariane 5 ;p )
Just slight funny in how it makes the semi-nationalistic motives of armchair stalinist libertarians shining through
Yes, the press release itself would also seem as a bit of a lip-service, considering ESA just finishes in Kourou a launchpad for Soyuz rocket ;>> ... generally having a long and very fruitful cooperation with the Russians. One of its major members is even the only instance, I believe, of leaving the alliance ;p (granted, they recently returned; were in the meantime still very much aligned, as well as ESA members which never were members)
it would make it way too easy to filter out materials for the gay community
How polite of them, isn't it?
Yes, and it was a failure. This is a new project, saving what is possible from the previous one (and also fishing for components on the free market) ... what, now you want all that past money to be totally wasted?
There's even more profound example of cooperation / etc. - Liberty ships from WW2. But the times of those examples had an... unique character. The current one (and for somewhat different reasons...) would somehow cheapen the undertone of historical ones, IMHO)
The new rocket appears to have virtually the same planned mass to LEO as Ariane 5 ... so not much reason for Astrium. Other then selling to operate their technology of course, basically in the form of Ariane-5 core (Free Market! Wait, what, it's good only when you have a free hand to operate in other places? Oh, got it... nvm, carry on)
This is still local pork, it matters most for ATK.
From a quick glance at announced specifications - this new rocket will have virtually the same launch mass to LEO as Ariane 5 ... so there really doesn't seem to be much of a reason for Astrium. Other then selling their technology of course, basically in the form of Ariane-5 core.
This is till pork, it matters most for ATK.
Mostly just the solid stage comes from Ares / ATK (...something which was supposedly "virtually ready" anyways, according to proponents). Astrium just seems to provide a stage of their own.
Why do you hate free market competition so much?
Why do you hate free market competition so much?
It's not Ariane V, it's Ariane 5. And also not Ares 1, but Ares I... don't do it, it looks & feels bad.
(the end result is not really Ares anyway... yes, it will use the solid stage from ATK. But the rest would be mostly Ariane 5-derived, it seems)
PS. WTF, "Liberty" rocket?! How on Earth Astrium agreed to such ridiculous name?... (will any possible manned spacecraft launched by this rocket include "freedom fries" in its menu?)
Now I wonder if that couldn't be one of the reasons contributing to how Apple virtually doesn't exist in most of the world (Part 3 of this report, while only about top handsets in each of top20 countries, is fairly representative as far I can tell / from few places I had contact with) - a rather minor reason, sure (way after "Big Mac Index" of course, after big increases in absolute price of any "premium" item - the higher the less prosperous a given place is), but still...
To me, it seems there's not much crapware on any random new laptop; it tends to not ruin the experience. Not much of an incentive, I guess (even for my reasonably prosperous place) - and considering how the OS image needs to be different (localized versions of Windows), it would only require more effort.