Gee, I wonder if there's some way a development enabling better thermal management and longevity / cycling (*) could be of any use to tightly miniaturized embedded stuff... (*)running typically in constant on/sleep way. Not nearly in everything, there's only ~3 times more ARM cores than people; only dozen around me.
Try looking beyond your PC sometimes; integrated circuits will be sort of in everything, not a long time from now. Already there might be more ARM cores shipping annually than total number of x86 ones ever produced. And once good enough, they're supposed to last.
The thing from TFA seems more suited to automated mass production of embedded devices.
Well, you need reaction mass anyway in the shuttle. Which would be likely very superheated / might explain staining similar to when using hydrocarbons.
Atmospheric turbines would most likely superheat the flowing air too (there would be surely plenty of waste heat / cooling required, whatever powers the turbines) - even if both in & out would be only air, just slightly organic (burned to soot while passing the turbine) haze ought to leave its mark after a while. Also: partial breakup of compounds forming the atmosphere, or even minute quantities of "exotic" ones created, might contribute to contrail of sorts.
Anyway, it certainly wasn't too wild. Plus: if non-interstellar vehicles don't use particularly insane energy densities, if they fly on hydrocarbons / etc. - their structure could still strongly benefit from insane materials science (certainly present in interstellar craft). Make the work of "normal" turbines easier.
In eXistenZ this trick goes just as far as it should, no further. Onion layering itself forms the punchline of whole movie, is what it is about. Primer has something different in character, one fluid reality.
How the protagonists are, for example, mostly machines would be an interesting twist to watch after all those years OTOH, and seems to be quite coherent explanation for many things: Neo powers in "real" world, how he can have "wireless" connection with the Matrix, bleeding after fall in virtual world / "the body cannot live without the mind" (I assume it's not something analogous to Star Trek control panels directly connected to plasma conduits, done on purpose... I "died" many times in my dreams - fallen, run over, shot at, eaten, blown up, drawn, exposed to space - and while it usually wasn't particularly pleasant at the time, I'm still here) - forcibly unplugging should result in heavy hangover at worst.
...unless you're a machine. And you "body" (if there even is such a thing) can get easily confused while presented with convincing stimulus (effects of which are largely simulated in the first place)
Nvm such basics as why the machines haven't left the Earth almost immediately? (it's also safe to assume Wachowski brothers know that humans are not perpetuum mobile)
Neo, presented as a biological human, can disable machines via stressing muscles in his hand and face. Numerous times.
If that's not enough - he can be in the Matrix (or close - the "subway station") while apparently not connected.
Seriously, what more suggestions do we need that there might be something very wrong with "official" explanation?
(personally, my favorite alternative would be: humans have won the war / initial nuclear attack on Zero 1, and resulting EMP, was successful in disabling the machines... but we depended on / came to value their technology too much, so we built them a "prison for the mind" - and what would be a better way than convincing them they are humans? It's just a matter of software / we have seen something close in one Animatrix. Plus - the most two human characters in whole trilogy were the "ubermaintainers" of Matrix!)
You're right - also why Military Police is unnecessary / after all people always can see their assailants from a mile, be certain of their untrustworthiness; why fragging is a meaningless gibberish term; or why the word "decimation" doesn't have any curious origin right from the Roman times.
...and so the vicious circles can happily continue
(also, I didn't know that ignoring the caller - going through countless scripted gotchas instead of just promptly doing what the still-customer asks for - is a sign of politeness, thanks for the heads up)
Though you gotta give them credit for impetus; a really well done, thorough job. Consider: while some local mythologies used largely also as a justification for atrocities are by no means an unusual phenomena, particularly during ages in question - theirs didn't stop there, it now forms the outwardly apparent core of faiths and "we're the best" morality for... what, 2/3 of the world? Funnily enough, also among descendants of populations against which it was originally targeted:p
(and they didn't exactly have problems everywhere - of course there often was an unfortunate clash of cautious approach to assimilation vs. generally much more xenophobic times, but where the latter was true it didn't really bother itself much with the question if somebody was a Jew or some different "other"; some places were reasonably favorable to multiculturalism, for practical reasons)
Which likely wouldn't change anything as far as the possibility of quite immediate departure from the surface is concerned, since we would probably want the departure stage already refueled and mostly checked out at the time of landing.
The most crippling aspect of a mission to mars would be the psychological problems due to the knowledge you are not at home, on earth, you are not really safe and so on.
How do you know?
Perhaps however could have sent them in LEO and simulate a mission there.
Yeah, because Roscosmos surely doesn't totally dominate the field of long duration LEO missions...
Don't forget those poor, completely confused people with DE as their second or third language...
(even having decent pronunciation / living for a few years with grandfather from Leipzig didn't help much; OTOH Gmail ads often seem to think that my German is in fact Swedish, so perhaps it's just me...)
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Gee, I wonder if there's some way a development enabling better thermal management and longevity / cycling (*) could be of any use to tightly miniaturized embedded stuff... (*)running typically in constant on/sleep way. Not nearly in everything, there's only ~3 times more ARM cores than people; only dozen around me.
And you're trying to judge me?
Try looking beyond your PC sometimes; integrated circuits will be sort of in everything, not a long time from now. Already there might be more ARM cores shipping annually than total number of x86 ones ever produced. And once good enough, they're supposed to last.
The thing from TFA seems more suited to automated mass production of embedded devices.
Well, you need reaction mass anyway in the shuttle. Which would be likely very superheated / might explain staining similar to when using hydrocarbons.
Atmospheric turbines would most likely superheat the flowing air too (there would be surely plenty of waste heat / cooling required, whatever powers the turbines) - even if both in & out would be only air, just slightly organic (burned to soot while passing the turbine) haze ought to leave its mark after a while. Also: partial breakup of compounds forming the atmosphere, or even minute quantities of "exotic" ones created, might contribute to contrail of sorts.
Anyway, it certainly wasn't too wild. Plus: if non-interstellar vehicles don't use particularly insane energy densities, if they fly on hydrocarbons / etc. - their structure could still strongly benefit from insane materials science (certainly present in interstellar craft). Make the work of "normal" turbines easier.
Ability to reach high sub-light speeds somewhat implies insane materials science and energy densities.
In eXistenZ this trick goes just as far as it should, no further. Onion layering itself forms the punchline of whole movie, is what it is about. Primer has something different in character, one fluid reality.
How the protagonists are, for example, mostly machines would be an interesting twist to watch after all those years OTOH, and seems to be quite coherent explanation for many things: Neo powers in "real" world, how he can have "wireless" connection with the Matrix, bleeding after fall in virtual world / "the body cannot live without the mind" (I assume it's not something analogous to Star Trek control panels directly connected to plasma conduits, done on purpose... I "died" many times in my dreams - fallen, run over, shot at, eaten, blown up, drawn, exposed to space - and while it usually wasn't particularly pleasant at the time, I'm still here) - forcibly unplugging should result in heavy hangover at worst.
Nvm such basics as why the machines haven't left the Earth almost immediately? (it's also safe to assume Wachowski brothers know that humans are not perpetuum mobile)
Plus Zion and Zero 1 sound awfully similar.
Onion layering is somewhat unattractive as a plot device though - once you introduce it, there are no real limits to the number of layers...
Plus there are much more dramatic twists possible - for example "machines didn't win the war / it is they who are 'enslaved'"
Neo, presented as a biological human, can disable machines via stressing muscles in his hand and face. Numerous times.
If that's not enough - he can be in the Matrix (or close - the "subway station") while apparently not connected.
Seriously, what more suggestions do we need that there might be something very wrong with "official" explanation?
(personally, my favorite alternative would be: humans have won the war / initial nuclear attack on Zero 1, and resulting EMP, was successful in disabling the machines ... but we depended on / came to value their technology too much, so we built them a "prison for the mind" - and what would be a better way than convincing them they are humans? It's just a matter of software / we have seen something close in one Animatrix. Plus - the most two human characters in whole trilogy were the "ubermaintainers" of Matrix!)
You're right - also why Military Police is unnecessary / after all people always can see their assailants from a mile, be certain of their untrustworthiness; why fragging is a meaningless gibberish term; or why the word "decimation" doesn't have any curious origin right from the Roman times.
Oh, wait...
And how long that free web-based email service will remain now...
So, where should be put the limit? At lynches? Only limited number of them allowed per month?
...and so the vicious circles can happily continue
(also, I didn't know that ignoring the caller - going through countless scripted gotchas instead of just promptly doing what the still-customer asks for - is a sign of politeness, thanks for the heads up)
Though you gotta give them credit for impetus; a really well done, thorough job. Consider: while some local mythologies used largely also as a justification for atrocities are by no means an unusual phenomena, particularly during ages in question - theirs didn't stop there, it now forms the outwardly apparent core of faiths and "we're the best" morality for ... what, 2/3 of the world? Funnily enough, also among descendants of populations against which it was originally targeted :p
(and they didn't exactly have problems everywhere - of course there often was an unfortunate clash of cautious approach to assimilation vs. generally much more xenophobic times, but where the latter was true it didn't really bother itself much with the question if somebody was a Jew or some different "other"; some places were reasonably favorable to multiculturalism, for practical reasons)
Plus sexual services! (" the police consider sex to be a legitimate tool for extracting information")
Well, then it's just pretty similar to most areas of commerce / it's as mature as them!
Ah, but maybe that's because she's so good at it!? (though in fairness, the best mule / etc. is an unknowing one)
Which likely wouldn't change anything as far as the possibility of quite immediate departure from the surface is concerned, since we would probably want the departure stage already refueled and mostly checked out at the time of landing.
It's not like NASA (or Roscosmos) couldn't possibly get access to such crews...
Departure stage and its resources most likely won't be on the surface.
The most crippling aspect of a mission to mars would be the psychological problems due to the knowledge you are not at home, on earth, you are not really safe and so on.
How do you know?
Perhaps however could have sent them in LEO and simulate a mission there.
Yeah, because Roscosmos surely doesn't totally dominate the field of long duration LEO missions...
Not much point in adding a delay to already non real time (usually) communication methods...
In a way (in an era before helicopters), yes...
So, "enemy of my enemy is my friend" in microscale? ;) (and look where this approach gets us... ;p )
Vicious cycles, in other words... and this research might be as well also about how to best notice and avoid them early.
(shouldn't there be specific hygienic regulations on
ships? With necessary items provided?)
Don't forget those poor, completely confused people with DE as their second or third language...
(even having decent pronunciation / living for a few years with grandfather from Leipzig didn't help much; OTOH Gmail ads often seem to think that my German is in fact Swedish, so perhaps it's just me...)
Most Romance languages (and not only them) have pronunciation pretty close to Latin one...