Hm, that could give me some opportunity for revenge / a form of MAD, if you will: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Alberto_Bertorelli (assuming you're familiar with the series; there's always some chance in, IIRC, Canada - some hope how the thought of Bertorelli might spoil your future degustations; or maybe simpler / nah, probably old trick & everybody immunized;/ )
Personal computers of various kind were (and are) being built by many places without any notable space program. Impetus for extreme (mass-produced!) miniaturization, most notably in the form of microprocessors, also not strictly provided by space programs.
Economy goes both ways - also about using resources available to space activities in the most optimal way, via patterns most likely to give good results.
Hm, with Qt (at least when it comes to widespread phones with decent Python support) - basically the same thing working on the phone and windows box can also be the case;p
Oh well, might still try it sometimes - while tk doesn't look right at home, apps using it do not feel bad to me at all; and if it's supposedly all-around nicely engineered...
There's a lot of evidence in support for Big Bang...and nothing solid as of yet for anything else (TFS notwithstanding) - seems very logical (using your criteria, consistency of theories and evidence)
Yes, "beyond the light cone" is a mere guess - that's what this was about.
And I'm not sure if we can so readily discard big parts of complex societal systems. If anything, they function very differently than particularly non-folk adherents present it...
What is math if not storage and processing of particular type of information? (!=data; as far as we can tell, our brains and crated by us prostheses of them are the only places where abstracts live; there is no evidence to the contrary) More to the point, why do you approach the issue like ontology is a settled field, like if Plato said the last word?...
Sure, platonism still has many followers of course, in its various derivatives - but among nominalism, formalism, constructivism, intuitiosm, stoicism, logicism, et al there's quite a lot og wiggle space. Generally appearing to shift toward "constructed ideas" over the centuries, almost a gradual shift away from Plato (which seems to be very common among laity - and I imagine how beneficent for evolved neural networks would be visualizing internal processes as real - we are even able to internalize tools on the neurological level, treat them as parts of our bodies)
Funnily enough, you acknowledge at least partly formalism, when pressed;) (being useful / resolving formulated problems)
Generally, treating mental processes as real objects is a road to madness...
Next time you might also try to avoid initial somewhat pompous tone, like the one with deriding capabilities of my mind... (while, ironically enough, falling yourself into of of the traps set up by a long evolutionary process - during which nurturing the myth of how we're most that matters, uberimportant, (while, funnily enough, basically thinking at the same time how we will be missed, how we care about the dead) was most likely quite beneficent)
More - from the cutoff they chose (50k years) that's basically just Homo sapiens sapiens.
But don't feel bad because of such treatment, we will be similarly ignored;p (despite our illusions of importance, individuality and grandiose)
Those words here also quickly forgotten / of no interest to anybody in the future (also - people are likely to still believe in the myth "we are so special" in the future, how more of them lives than has ever lived...) - heck, virtually none of almost 7 billion living humans care about you or me in the slightest as is.
Actually, "kicks ass at video games" (implying also some regular and non-trivial time investment in the process) is something I definitely wouldn't want from my next surgeon, if I need one. You wouldn't too, if you knew how swamped many of them are with activities revolving around long term preparations to do their job and doing it. Many of the good ones, at least.
Especially funny how the poster you replied to also said, in a followup nearby, something close to "that's a discussion board, it's about discussion, so everybody can have an opinion" - after "I disagree / misunderstand your opinion, therefore you're a troll"...
Yes, we are not the same person we used to be; doesn't stop people from attaching undue importance to the myth of unbroken, monolithic "me" - while it's really easy to argue how our minds are closer to our peers than to ourselves in a very different stage of life (how split-brain patients generally appear almost unaffected provides nice controlled example; or, even better: there's a disorder, due to particularly localized brain trauma, which causes people to go blind seemingly without them realizing it). That's not even the worst of such myths - many more further along ("more of us is alive today than the total number of people who have ever lived" for example, while there's at least 100 billion dead homo sapiens already - about which we don't care about at all, as well as for virtually all of the living, as well as for our very recent ancestors...but oh well, seeing oneself as central to the world is not only the most straightforward perspective, probably also aided in survival)
BTW...
Most games are hindered by being mainly console ports though, and I have less patience for working against the design elements than I used to.
That's also a bit of a myth. Not only "console games" have changed, too - the "console ports" are really hybrids on one hand, and a symptom of gaming being much more widespread on the other (funnily enough - that's what we wanted, when the world didn't understand our gaming 2 decades ago)
Oh, no more buffoonery from you anymore? Too bad...
Even if, regrettably, again while wrapped around a secondary issue of one label - which clicked with you as a valid short description of having large influence on the market. But for some reason you seem to be outright phobic of the word, on the verge of denying the possibility of such state even existing - while there's not only absolutely nothing wrong with it (especially if someone, like Google, earned their domination), it also hardly influences the necessity to investigate possible market abuses; just their urgency, somewhat. Which clearly isn't even the case here - the first potential investigation after (as Google itself says - they're the good ones, remember? Others are the evil ones...) many years of informal claims.
Maybe you and similar people like to roll over in the name of holy "free market" (a.k.a. "concentration of resources gives all") - you might even bark while you're at it. Luckily that's not a rule, not for you to decide, is treated seriously enough to approach Google (among how many others...) for Q&A in the past (curiously, at which point they answered the results are impartial - not good enough of an answer; this one is better, but we need to make sure they don't forget how some tactful level of transparency is desired in their position)
Yeah, that's actually close to how I browse for some time now (I do have a buddy who finds adblocking in Opera invaluable - who switched from FF a year or so ago and actually thinks the Opera one is very slightly better - so I can say it still works fine) - if ads on some sites tend to be obnoxious, that's a great reason to not visit those sites, to reward tactful ones (I wouldn't know with adblocker)
But - inevitably "Opera has no adblocker... whah!... whah!" comes out at the start of probably every discussion about it. What to do if not mention that it, in fact, has one for a long, long time?
Curiously, this decision of Jobs basically means that the excluded services are more likely to function like the internet is supposed to (do we really need separate UIs for every webpage, separate app for every radiostation, separate app for every e-book and audiobook?) - perhaps inhibiting the rush towards something quite dysfunctional.
(though it might complicate a bit benefiting from the walled garden approach, certainly useful for porn)
And it's not really clear they have many such incentives BTW... Others also treat it almost as a challenge to spot differences, which might be hardly there.
While our idea of unbroken, monolithic personality is, in large part, an illusion, a myth. We are generally much closer to our peers than to ourselves at some very different stage of life. You need to often look closer to notice anything "wrong" with split-brain patients. We also like to convince ourselves how unique we are...while not really being able to track more than a few dozens of other people, out of almost 7 billion (but we do like to believe in the myth that "more people live now than have ever lived" while in reality there's 100+ billion homo sapiens dead already)
Curiously enough, recent research suggests how we do have some neanderthal DNA... yes, I do think there's a possibility the "AI" will be us, upgraded. Yes, the "human part" will probably quite quickly form only a small portion of it - so what?
We use non-human intelligence and memory amplification devices already. And the perception of monolithic, unbroken consciousness forming "us" is largely itself an illusion, a myth (look at what happens (or rather - what almost doesn't happen) with split-brain patients; or how closer we are to our peers than to ourselves at distant life stages - essentially dying and being reborn many times during the course of our lives). We do like to attach to ourself undue importance - for example with the myth of "more people alive now than ever lived" (while there are 100+ billion homo sapiens dead, and we are oblivious to the existence of almost every living human...not that they are very different from us)
Well, that's not how modern societies work, not how they can work. Going back to agrarian population densities would necessitate some drastic measures... (but everybody is free to move, to be within like-minded people)
We are perfectly accepting public transit. Haven't you heard of airplanes? Now up to ~500 passengers(*) at a time (and see what people generally put up with en masse (TSA) to fly them). While there are few enthusiasts, they do it in a designated airspace - almost analogous to racetrack or offroad course.
Or school busses. Or - do you see many manually operated elevators, to exercise "individuality"? (pushing a button, telling an automated system what to do, is not what manually operated elevators are about)
How trains or local general public transport are quite unpopular in some areas is largely because of how they didn't have the chance with lobbying of automotive industry; and specifically building the surroundings to make it impractical to use anything other than a car. I'd say that's at least largely also a case of forcing a conformist behavior. The bike would seem more "individualistic" anyway...
In reality, people follow very strict fashions (and readily consider distant ones as "weird") - but yes, being under an illusion of nonconformism is enough...
(*)That's the key. Surely you don't think in the terms of "500 pilots" - so think in the terms of "passengers" also for cars. That's damn common, contrary to how people would like to perceive driving (otherwise 2-seaters would be probably most common, with virtual absence of cars having 4+ seats). So many "individual" things to do with the travel when don't have to care about it, instead of doing essentially mindless (but still requring constant attention) automatism, the same as every driver around. Travel time probably decreasing would be a nice bonus (things you mention in the first post ceasing to be an issue; human drivers are the biggest cause of trouble not only for automated ones)
Aren't you forgetting about something again? You have your Wiki article... (now, yes, you looking selectively just at a few bits of it, in support of your delusions, might get in the way...)
And again, it is you who started riding on this "monopoly issue" - I didn't even bother to mention it first / it's quite secondary to the duty of investigating possible market abuses. But ride on, buffoon.
You can't / don't want to even remember your own claim how they are definitely not one because of existing competition (didn't stop MS - too hard of an analogy?) - which might interact with the influence they have on the market (while actually claiming in previous investigation Q/A how they are impartial)
Which is, again, a secondary issue. But hey, cling on.
It seems the Ice Hotel is made more out of snow, similar to this - how does it manage to pass building regulations?!;)
Either way, it nicely adds to the already "fun";) neighborhood - together with space academic departments, an European spaceport that's actually in Europe or, in the future, Spaceport Sweden... (could be interesting during arctic night / maybe even inside an aurora)...NVM moving the town (even if buildings being simply torn down seems to be ignoring great opportunity;) )
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Hm, that could give me some opportunity for revenge / a form of MAD, if you will: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Alberto_Bertorelli (assuming you're familiar with the series; there's always some chance in, IIRC, Canada - some hope how the thought of Bertorelli might spoil your future degustations; or maybe simpler / nah, probably old trick & everybody immunized ;/ )
Personal computers of various kind were (and are) being built by many places without any notable space program. Impetus for extreme (mass-produced!) miniaturization, most notably in the form of microprocessors, also not strictly provided by space programs.
Economy goes both ways - also about using resources available to space activities in the most optimal way, via patterns most likely to give good results.
Hm, with Qt (at least when it comes to widespread phones with decent Python support) - basically the same thing working on the phone and windows box can also be the case ;p
Oh well, might still try it sometimes - while tk doesn't look right at home, apps using it do not feel bad to me at all; and if it's supposedly all-around nicely engineered...
There's a lot of evidence in support for Big Bang...and nothing solid as of yet for anything else (TFS notwithstanding) - seems very logical (using your criteria, consistency of theories and evidence)
Yes, "beyond the light cone" is a mere guess - that's what this was about.
And I'm not sure if we can so readily discard big parts of complex societal systems. If anything, they function very differently than particularly non-folk adherents present it...
What is math if not storage and processing of particular type of information? (!=data; as far as we can tell, our brains and crated by us prostheses of them are the only places where abstracts live; there is no evidence to the contrary) More to the point, why do you approach the issue like ontology is a settled field, like if Plato said the last word?...
Sure, platonism still has many followers of course, in its various derivatives - but among nominalism, formalism, constructivism, intuitiosm, stoicism, logicism, et al there's quite a lot og wiggle space. Generally appearing to shift toward "constructed ideas" over the centuries, almost a gradual shift away from Plato (which seems to be very common among laity - and I imagine how beneficent for evolved neural networks would be visualizing internal processes as real - we are even able to internalize tools on the neurological level, treat them as parts of our bodies)
Funnily enough, you acknowledge at least partly formalism, when pressed ;) (being useful / resolving formulated problems)
Generally, treating mental processes as real objects is a road to madness...
Next time you might also try to avoid initial somewhat pompous tone, like the one with deriding capabilities of my mind... (while, ironically enough, falling yourself into of of the traps set up by a long evolutionary process - during which nurturing the myth of how we're most that matters, uberimportant, (while, funnily enough, basically thinking at the same time how we will be missed, how we care about the dead) was most likely quite beneficent)
Two (not three, one being mostly a nice offline format) reputable sources are better than one...
More - from the cutoff they chose (50k years) that's basically just Homo sapiens sapiens.
But don't feel bad because of such treatment, we will be similarly ignored ;p (despite our illusions of importance, individuality and grandiose)
Those words here also quickly forgotten / of no interest to anybody in the future (also - people are likely to still believe in the myth "we are so special" in the future, how more of them lives than has ever lived...) - heck, virtually none of almost 7 billion living humans care about you or me in the slightest as is.
Actually, "kicks ass at video games" (implying also some regular and non-trivial time investment in the process) is something I definitely wouldn't want from my next surgeon, if I need one. You wouldn't too, if you knew how swamped many of them are with activities revolving around long term preparations to do their job and doing it. Many of the good ones, at least.
Especially funny how the poster you replied to also said, in a followup nearby, something close to "that's a discussion board, it's about discussion, so everybody can have an opinion" - after "I disagree / misunderstand your opinion, therefore you're a troll"...
Yes, we are not the same person we used to be; doesn't stop people from attaching undue importance to the myth of unbroken, monolithic "me" - while it's really easy to argue how our minds are closer to our peers than to ourselves in a very different stage of life (how split-brain patients generally appear almost unaffected provides nice controlled example; or, even better: there's a disorder, due to particularly localized brain trauma, which causes people to go blind seemingly without them realizing it). That's not even the worst of such myths - many more further along ("more of us is alive today than the total number of people who have ever lived" for example, while there's at least 100 billion dead homo sapiens already - about which we don't care about at all, as well as for virtually all of the living, as well as for our very recent ancestors ...but oh well, seeing oneself as central to the world is not only the most straightforward perspective, probably also aided in survival)
BTW...
Most games are hindered by being mainly console ports though, and I have less patience for working against the design elements than I used to.
That's also a bit of a myth. Not only "console games" have changed, too - the "console ports" are really hybrids on one hand, and a symptom of gaming being much more widespread on the other (funnily enough - that's what we wanted, when the world didn't understand our gaming 2 decades ago)
Oh, no more buffoonery from you anymore? Too bad...
Even if, regrettably, again while wrapped around a secondary issue of one label - which clicked with you as a valid short description of having large influence on the market. But for some reason you seem to be outright phobic of the word, on the verge of denying the possibility of such state even existing - while there's not only absolutely nothing wrong with it (especially if someone, like Google, earned their domination), it also hardly influences the necessity to investigate possible market abuses; just their urgency, somewhat. Which clearly isn't even the case here - the first potential investigation after (as Google itself says - they're the good ones, remember? Others are the evil ones...) many years of informal claims.
Maybe you and similar people like to roll over in the name of holy "free market" (a.k.a. "concentration of resources gives all") - you might even bark while you're at it. Luckily that's not a rule, not for you to decide, is treated seriously enough to approach Google (among how many others...) for Q&A in the past (curiously, at which point they answered the results are impartial - not good enough of an answer; this one is better, but we need to make sure they don't forget how some tactful level of transparency is desired in their position)
Yeah, that's actually close to how I browse for some time now (I do have a buddy who finds adblocking in Opera invaluable - who switched from FF a year or so ago and actually thinks the Opera one is very slightly better - so I can say it still works fine) - if ads on some sites tend to be obnoxious, that's a great reason to not visit those sites, to reward tactful ones (I wouldn't know with adblocker)
But - inevitably "Opera has no adblocker ... whah! ... whah!" comes out at the start of probably every discussion about it. What to do if not mention that it, in fact, has one for a long, long time?
Curiously, this decision of Jobs basically means that the excluded services are more likely to function like the internet is supposed to (do we really need separate UIs for every webpage, separate app for every radiostation, separate app for every e-book and audiobook?) - perhaps inhibiting the rush towards something quite dysfunctional.
(though it might complicate a bit benefiting from the walled garden approach, certainly useful for porn)
It was certainly maintained during the war. Who would have thought this made the Eiffel tower a Nazi structure...
The difference is apparently about wasting resources in the search of a reason to ignore stray/etc. pets around.
Quite amusing how this was brought up nearby.
And it's not really clear they have many such incentives BTW... Others also treat it almost as a challenge to spot differences, which might be hardly there.
While our idea of unbroken, monolithic personality is, in large part, an illusion, a myth. We are generally much closer to our peers than to ourselves at some very different stage of life. You need to often look closer to notice anything "wrong" with split-brain patients. We also like to convince ourselves how unique we are...while not really being able to track more than a few dozens of other people, out of almost 7 billion (but we do like to believe in the myth that "more people live now than have ever lived" while in reality there's 100+ billion homo sapiens dead already)
Curiously enough, recent research suggests how we do have some neanderthal DNA ... yes, I do think there's a possibility the "AI" will be us, upgraded. Yes, the "human part" will probably quite quickly form only a small portion of it - so what?
We use non-human intelligence and memory amplification devices already. And the perception of monolithic, unbroken consciousness forming "us" is largely itself an illusion, a myth (look at what happens (or rather - what almost doesn't happen) with split-brain patients; or how closer we are to our peers than to ourselves at distant life stages - essentially dying and being reborn many times during the course of our lives). We do like to attach to ourself undue importance - for example with the myth of "more people alive now than ever lived" (while there are 100+ billion homo sapiens dead, and we are oblivious to the existence of almost every living human...not that they are very different from us)
Well, that's not how modern societies work, not how they can work. Going back to agrarian population densities would necessitate some drastic measures... (but everybody is free to move, to be within like-minded people)
We are perfectly accepting public transit. Haven't you heard of airplanes? Now up to ~500 passengers(*) at a time (and see what people generally put up with en masse (TSA) to fly them). While there are few enthusiasts, they do it in a designated airspace - almost analogous to racetrack or offroad course.
Or school busses. Or - do you see many manually operated elevators, to exercise "individuality"? (pushing a button, telling an automated system what to do, is not what manually operated elevators are about)
How trains or local general public transport are quite unpopular in some areas is largely because of how they didn't have the chance with lobbying of automotive industry; and specifically building the surroundings to make it impractical to use anything other than a car. I'd say that's at least largely also a case of forcing a conformist behavior. The bike would seem more "individualistic" anyway...
In reality, people follow very strict fashions (and readily consider distant ones as "weird") - but yes, being under an illusion of nonconformism is enough...
(*)That's the key. Surely you don't think in the terms of "500 pilots" - so think in the terms of "passengers" also for cars. That's damn common, contrary to how people would like to perceive driving (otherwise 2-seaters would be probably most common, with virtual absence of cars having 4+ seats). So many "individual" things to do with the travel when don't have to care about it, instead of doing essentially mindless (but still requring constant attention) automatism, the same as every driver around. Travel time probably decreasing would be a nice bonus (things you mention in the first post ceasing to be an issue; human drivers are the biggest cause of trouble not only for automated ones)
Aren't you forgetting about something again? You have your Wiki article... (now, yes, you looking selectively just at a few bits of it, in support of your delusions, might get in the way...)
And again, it is you who started riding on this "monopoly issue" - I didn't even bother to mention it first / it's quite secondary to the duty of investigating possible market abuses. But ride on, buffoon.
You can't / don't want to even remember your own claim how they are definitely not one because of existing competition (didn't stop MS - too hard of an analogy?) - which might interact with the influence they have on the market (while actually claiming in previous investigation Q/A how they are impartial)
Which is, again, a secondary issue. But hey, cling on.
It seems the Ice Hotel is made more out of snow, similar to this - how does it manage to pass building regulations?! ;)
Either way, it nicely adds to the already "fun" ;) neighborhood - together with space academic departments, an European spaceport that's actually in Europe or, in the future, Spaceport Sweden... (could be interesting during arctic night / maybe even inside an aurora) ...NVM moving the town (even if buildings being simply torn down seems to be ignoring great opportunity ;) )
Ah yes - we are being attacked and those against us lack patriotism and expose the country to danger, right?
How they both evolved and C++ is no longer a superset of C could mean a bit of a headache during migration (and...is there anything broken as is?)
...with Python bindings, by any chance?
Should we also be thankful for creating enemies? (hey, useful, The Man would risk losing his purpose a bit otherwise)