Slashdot Mirror


Have I Lost My Gaming Mojo?

danabnormal writes "Increasingly I'm being frustrated in my attempts to find a game I want to play. In an effort to catch up, I've been using my bog standard Dell laptop to dig out treasures I have missed, such as American McGee's Alice, Grim Fandango and Syberia. I don't often get the time to play games, so I like to have the opportunity to dip in and out of a title without feeling like I'm losing something by not playing it for periods of time. But when I find a title I like, I make the time. Heavy Rain is the last game that gripped me, that truly engaged me and made me want to complete it in a single sitting. I'm tired of the GTA formulas, bored of CoDs and don't have the reaction time to think on my feet for AOE III. Is it about time I tossed in the controller and resigned myself to the fact that the games I want only come out once in a blue moon? Or have I just not found that one great title that will open me up to a brand new genre? Lords of Ultima is going OK at the moment — is there anything of that ilk I've missed? What are your thoughts? Do you stick to a particular genre? Are you finding it harder, as you get more mature, to find something you want to play?"

418 comments

  1. Chess by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 0, Troll

    If you're still playing games even though you're an adult, at least play an adult's game.

    Chess is the way to go.

    1. Re:Chess by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      That's almost a good point, BadAnalogyGuy!

      I find games with a human opponent are almost always more satisfying than against AI. The OP apparently isn't into multiplayer, why not?

      It's like the crazy guy on the island said, man is the most dangerous game.

      --
      Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
    2. Re:Chess by sznupi · · Score: 0, Troll

      Oh just accept getting old. Accept how you change. Don't bother rest of the world with it, they don't care / it happens to everybody.

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    3. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because getting older means that you can't have fun.

      The older that I get, the more I realise that maturity isn't about being stiff, serious and trying to appear "adult", it's about having fun doing what you enjoy without caring about what anyone else might think of it. I might have thought the way you did ten years ago, but gradually I just stopped caring about appearances.

    4. Re:Chess by 0olong · · Score: 1, Informative

      Dude, chess is child's play. Real men play go.

    5. Re:Chess by boticho · · Score: 3, Funny
      I thought real men played WAR...

      What's this I hear?
      What wondrous thing?
      Is this the Defcon klaxon's ring?

      A flashing light...
      Above the doooor! There's just one thing it could mean...

      War!

      Oh, what is it good for? (What is it good for?)
      It's good for you, (Good for you!) It's good for me!

      Ohh, War!
      What is it good for? (What is it good for?) Oh, it strengthens the economy!
      It shows the world that we've got stones! (We've got stones!)
      And carriers... with fighter drones! (Vo doh dee oh!)

      War! Oh, what is it good for? (What is it good for?)
      It's good for you it's good for me!

      (It's the cat's meow!)

      (Vo doh dee oh!)

      Heeeere we go!

      (Hyah! Woo! Wooo-hoo! Yeah! Ohhh yeah!)

      War!
      Oh, what is it good for? (What is it good for?)
      It's good for you! (Doo waka doo waka doo waka doo waka doo!) It's good for me!

      Oh, war! Oh, what is it good for? (What is it good for?)
      Ohhh, it strengthens the economy!

      A lengthy battle's an incumbent's dream! (Ohhh ohhh ohhh ohhh!)
      Because you can't change horses... In mid stream!

      For bombs (Boom!)
      And guns (Bang!)
      And so much more (Napalm!)
      We celebrate the joys of war war war!

      For bombs and guns, and so much more...
      We celebrate the joys of war!
      From Sam & Max, Season 1, Episode 4 (a video game, you insensitive clod)

    6. Re:Chess by grikdog · · Score: 1

      Real men... like Yukari Umezawa or Rui Neiwei? That's two women driving off the men's tees.

      --
      ``Tension, apprehension & dissension have begun!'' - Duffy Wyg&, in Alfred Bester's _The Demolished Man_
    7. Re:Chess by 0olong · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, I know, but I was trying to be motivational. If I was replying to BadAnalogyGal, I would have said: "Real women play go."

    8. Re:Chess by Hojima · · Score: 1

      I hate it when people categorize video games as childish or immature. There are countless RTS games (and quite a few from other genres) that require a plethora of strategy and critical thinking. And how is 'go' so much better than chess? Just because computers can routinely beat chess champions and not go champions does not make it any less intellectually stimulating. In fact, 'go's impermeability to computerized victory is attributed more to a lack of computational power. Make a game small enough and min/max trees will make it impossible to win against the computer.

      As to the OP's question, no, you are not losing your mojo. Yes, games may seem less novel over time, but what you're also experiencing is your inability to sift through all the crap and find a decent game. A good story with well executed game mechanics is always rare, but ignored when it is novel to you. It's sort of like movies losing appeal because of a crappy story and poor dialog/acting. You don't notice it as a child, but it eventually becomes more crucial to the enjoyment. It just feels like movies get crappier.

    9. Re:Chess by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Eh Chess is okay, but doesn't have much depth. I prefer Shogi.

      Overall in regards to gaming, most AAA titles out there these days are lackluster. They rely on graphics to drive the game, rather than the story. Which is sad, because when you didn't have graphics, you had to have story to drive the game.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    10. Re:Chess by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

      Developers have always used graphics as a selling point for games and the stories were mostly non-existant back in the old days.

      --
      I put my books on Amazon, Smashwords, Demonoid, ISOHunt and Pirate Bay. Search for 'Michael Cargill'
    11. Re:Chess by 0olong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In fact, 'go's impermeability to computerized victory is attributed more to a lack of computational power. Make a game small enough and min/max trees will make it impossible to win against the computer.

      Absolutely not. A min/max tree as a primary method of strategy is a primitive brute force hack approach to game theory. We humans don't nearly rely as much on computational brute force because we simply don't have the capacity for it (mostly because our brain's short term memory has a very high write latency). The fact that one trick pony computer programs are quite successful in chess is the exact reason why I find it less stimulating: it mostly just requires a lot of 'looking ahead'. Go, on the other hand, requires a player to combine that skill with keen pattern recognition abilities and showcases how a combination of diverse skills ability enables a very long lurning curve (the difference between a high kyuu and a high dan in Go is truly a marvel). The go tree branches so quickly that no Moore's law in the foreseeable future is going to be of much help, without developing more intelligent AI / game theory, in particular (probabilistic) pattern recognition. So yes, the state of computer theory and the intellectual depth of a game are very much related, I believe.

    12. Re:Chess by kvezach · · Score: 1

      War, never been so much fun,
      War, never been so much fun!
      Go to your brother, kill him with your gun
      Leave him lying in his uniform,
      dying in the sun.
      WAR.


      (Also from a video game!)

    13. Re:Chess by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Funny. I can think of several games that were released based on the amount of story, the game was built around.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    14. Re:Chess by JockTroll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And the poppy is also a flower.

      --
      Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
    15. Re:Chess by gmack · · Score: 1

      I found that as I got older my tastes got narrowed down to a subset of what they were. I don't tolerate crap music, games, TV or books as much as I used to. Before I still like the odd new thing but it has to be good.

      I also find myself having to constantly remind myself that I used to be just as bad when I was younger rather than getting annoyed about the things the kids are enjoying.

    16. Re:Chess by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You should be modded troll for that one.

      I'm in my mid 40's as of about a week ago. I still play games, single and multiplayer, and I still own the kiddies who think they are hot stuff. Getting older doesn't mean you can't have fun.

    17. Re:Chess by arndawg · · Score: 1

      So what if you didn't stop playing games? I'm in my mid twenties and i've outgrown my interest for gaming. People change, maybe not everyone, but don't freak out if it happens to you. Just accept that you don't get a huge satisfaction out of it anymore and seek out new hobbys. Building model airplanes or whatever. Fun != Gaming. I used to trick myself to thinking I was still a gamer. But going from 3-4 hours per day to 0,5/1-hour a week i just had to realize that gaming wasn't fun anymore and stop forcing it. Does that mean i don't have fun any longer? No, it just means i find other things more amusing. Being social is one of those things.

    18. Re:Chess by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Elite (1984) came with a novella in the box. I actually delayed playing the game till I'd read the novella because I figured I'd get more out of the experience. And I did.

    19. Re:Chess by sznupi · · Score: 2

      Who said anything about not having fun? What does that have to do with accepting how people change, and there's no point in trying to cling to something what evidently starts to pass; as the asking poster seems to do.

      You shared with us how in this area such change loosely (your approach to gaming is the same as 3 decades ago?) applies to you...whoa, fascinating. So?

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    20. Re:Chess by lisaparratt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An AI might be predictable, but at least it's not a douchebag.

    21. Re:Chess by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      I never said gaming was the only way to have fun. We go out, we socialize, we engage in various hobbies. I was replying to the troll.

    22. Re:Chess by dreamchaser · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ah, Slashdot, where the pedants come out and reply to someone's opinion as if it were a personal affront to them. 'So?' So I was just presenting the fact that not everybody stops enjoying gaming as they age.

      Sure I don't play them as often as I did. I have a life and plenty of other things to occupy my time. As I said to the other person who replied to me I was just responding to the troll above with my opinion based on my personal experience in the matter. If your feelings on that are 'whoa, fascinating. So?' then why bother reading, let along replying.

      The last time I checked this was a discussion site. Sorry if you missed the memo ;)

    23. Re:Chess by arndawg · · Score: 1

      Well you implied it. "I can still play games, therefore i can have fun".

      It's not trolling to point out that gaming gets boring for a lot of us when we get older. Just because you didn't get tired of gaming doesn't mean that it's not true for a lot of us. So rather than forcing oneself to game, one should just except it and get on with life doing things one actually enjoy.

    24. Re:Chess by sznupi · · Score: 2

      You are really serious with that tirade about opinions after your "you should be modded troll for your opinion I disagree with"? Really?

      This has nothing to with denying whatever fun stuff you do. The TFS is basically "My hobby is passing away, how to keep it on life support?" Huh?... There's no point. Not if he can't find it himself.

      When it comes to my interests I'm always saddened that there's lots of more to explore / know / experience in the area than I can possibly do in my lifetime, even if devoting whole of it to just that one area. The primary problem is letting go bits I'd like to know closer, but there's not enough time.

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    25. Re:Chess by Iceykitsune · · Score: 1

      I never said gaming was the only way to have fun. We go out, we socialize, we engage in various hobbies. I was feeding the troll.

      t,ftfy

      --
      GENERATION 24: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social exper
    26. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see it the other way round: a min/max tree is a tool to find the optimal sequence of moves that will guarantee the best possible outcome even if the other player is playing optimally too. It's the heuristics that we humans have to resort to, because we can't possibly follow a large min/max tree, that are a primitive hack.

    27. Re:Chess by NuKe_MoNgOoSe · · Score: 1

      im 32 play games faithfully, i dont much like people, so outside a close circle of friends (also gamers) and my girlfriend i dont do much in the way of social interaction. gaming is my release, my job entails getting paid to get yelled at all day, and gaming keeps me from going postal :D there is a stigma around adulthood which gives the aire that one should just go all responsible and no fun loving clown... fuck that. I am a clown I am a 15yr old in a 32yr olds body and my family loves me for it (girlfriend and 3 kids). The perfect hybrid of responsibility and fun. My primary poison is COD i love first person shooters especially the squad mentality its just a good way to relax man. Some people go golfing some go to the gym... i choose to game. Oh I also collect transformers and have over 500 atm you can grow up and still keep the inner child alive is all im saying.

      --
      When you dislike the human race as much as I do, Karma:Bad is inevitable lol.
    28. Re:Chess by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

      Funny. I can think of several games that were released based on the amount of story, the game was built around.

      Like what? And where they the exception or the norm?

      --
      I put my books on Amazon, Smashwords, Demonoid, ISOHunt and Pirate Bay. Search for 'Michael Cargill'
    29. Re:Chess by GF678 · · Score: 1

      I'm in my mid 40's as of about a week ago. I still play games, single and multiplayer, and I still own the kiddies who think they are hot stuff. Getting older doesn't mean you can't have fun.

      This could be just how my brain works, but I figure if I'm 40 and I am still able to own kids in fast-paced multiplayer games, then this is actually a BAD thing because it means I've invested way too much time into the game when I should be doing other things with my life. Not to criticize you in any way, it's just a reason why I feel that sucking at such games as one gets older is nothing to be ashamed of at all. Means you've moved onto other, more important things.

    30. Re:Chess by Larryish · · Score: 1

      GnuGo is the best free version IMO.

      Sometimes hard to round up a good online game, though.

      I have the same problem with FreeCiv.

      "My name is GnuGo Montoya. You kill my father. Prepare to die."

    31. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you like chess and want complexity, try Shogi. Nothing says WTF like checkmate from a drop.

    32. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight... I personally have fun melting the minds of the helium-grade players (aka: those that are still waiting for puberty) and the testosterone tourettes (aka: teenage morons) telling them how "old" I am after pasting them in Halo (2/3/ODST/Reach).

      My twitch speed has always been decent - not the fastest but still better than most. However it is the ability to think that has always made the difference... particularly if you can find other thinking players to work as a team with.

      That said... my fondest memories are from strategy games and for strategy games experience helps... a lot.

      I can't wait till I find a port of VGAPlanets 3.x for my Samsung Galaxy S phone.

    33. Re:Chess by 0olong · · Score: 1

      Then it seems to me you have an odd notion of what's primitive. Aren't the most intelligent (and arguably the least primitive) agents those who arrive at optimal decisions through the least amount of work and resources? In other words, adaptable efficient agents that avoid redundant steps. How well then does an agent based on a min/max algorithm fare if it can't even beat a human agent with less computational resources at a game of go?

      Humans would never have evolved into intelligent beings if intelligence involved spending a lot of resources, as they would've been overrun by more energy efficient species.

    34. Re:Chess by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      There really are not to many RTS games that really require any sort of strategy. It all boils down to having units that can exploit a weakness in your opponents, and to choose a quantity or quality attack. RTS' are not more strategic than Counter-Strike.

      --
      If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
    35. Re:Chess by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      That's recently. In the old days, it was mainly story that sold games. Deus Ex. Half-Life. FEAR. Etc.

      --
      If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
    36. Re:Chess by morari · · Score: 3, Informative

      More important things like buying a riding lawn mower to prune your suburban lawn? Getting older doesn't mean that you must sacrifice video games as an entertaining outlet. It's not so different than watching films or television. Actually, I find myself less and less interested in on-going television shows as I get older... I fall asleep during them. Watching television is such a passive experience, there's nothing to keep me interested.

      --
      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    37. Re:Chess by funwithBSD · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, more like you and your son rebuilding that Honda CB750 into a cafe racer. =)

      --
      Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
    38. Re:Chess by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Something happened to the context of Chess too, essentially rather suddenly.

      Back In The Day if you went to a bookstore, Chess was virtually the only competitive hobby that solidly rewarded studying, and the rating system was near-perfect (with certain blips like scholastic or isolated areas.) Before the internet, poor man's info feed was the bookstore, and I for one found it not possible to interact as an accepted peer in most other areas "off the street". Also, up until about 1995 chess had a "culture" with its past heroes, and its famous benchmarks, etc. It was a solid outlet that lasted pretty well.

      Suddenly the real power of the internet took hold. At first it was like a "secret weapon" to train for Old School Chess, but somehow, being able to dig around in all kinds of other interactive activities took away the silent monopoly on accessibility that Chess once had. I have remarked that my time here on slashdot, if intelligently compiled, could form four college courses, aka intro classes on the topics covered well here.
      (Basic computer security and exposing corporate tricks, the rise of Big Brother vs. politics, etc. )

      Yet also, when we joke about not even reading TFA's, we're saying that we don't look toward our past heroic moments anymore. Without the lineage-culture mood, coinciding exactly with the rise of computers, Chess stopped being fun when it became just position crunching up to the point you hit your particular wall. (Typically 1800 aka "just below expert" is a well known barrier when the additional work now required exceeds the fun.)

      But the last sad point is when you hit that wall, you know exactly who you can beat, and who will beat you. On a particular day it moves around a little, but the metagame is the same, and its effect on your local crew. Joe the Expert beats you, you beat everyone else. Go to a tourney and you can beat up to the 1600's, and the Sandbaggers who should be 1900 beat you, and you score 4/6, just enough not to win money.

      On the net, you can collaboratively Do Stuff, and even if you plod along for years you can eventually add your little pocket of cultural contribution to something. Whippersnappers are fresher, so be it, your experience counts elsewhere as it grows, and ... Net Life intersecting with training real skills that can actually go towards a job is more fun overall than even the Grand Old Game.

      Now a days, I use Chess only as a mental metric to test the shape of my sadly erratic nerves. There's some value with it as a study on force & initiative too. But as a grand pursuit, for me it has become a matter of RIP.

      --
      My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
    39. Re:Chess by Lanforod · · Score: 1

      Sounds like me... exactly the same. 3 years ago I was gaming at least 3-4 hours a day, mostly AOE3 and LOTRO. Now? I'm getting married next year, volunteering on a national NPO, traveling for vacation at least 4 weeks a year, and having much more fun in general than when I was cooped up running raids and rush strategies.

    40. Re:Chess by Cederic · · Score: 0

      Old days? Shit. In the old days the story was..

      The Frog wants to get home!

      The caterpillar is hungry!

      Drugs are Good[tm] until the ghosts in your head catch you.

      Invaders from Space!

      Hardly Booker Prize winning material.

    41. Re:Chess by Omestes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think he had a valid point though. You can read it as trolling, or you can read it saying "tastes change with age".

      I found that I have this problem too, I was slowly finding that most games don't really hold my attention anymore. I was a bit bummed out about this, since I used to be an avid (perhaps to avid) gamer, and found myself pondering whether games themselves got worse the older I got, or if I was just moving past them. Tons of things I loved in my youth are no longer satisfying, not just games. Books and movies I used to love seem rather shallow and stupid now as well.

      Its just natural aging. You are not the same person you used to be, events have happened, and you have grown, so its silly to assume that your tastes will remain the same.

      I used to really enjoy games like WoW, but slowly I realized that I wasn't having fun. It was work. It was work populated by the lowest common denominator who get great joy about using naughty words like "tits", and think that calling someone "gay" is the height of witty repartee . I don't have the time and patience I once had for it. I used to enjoy most FPS/deathmatch type games, and found that I don't anymore. They are mostly "stealth" games, where I get to spend 6 hours staring at the back of a cover wall, and none of them have really innovated on Quake3 or UT2003. I still manage to enjoy a decent western RPG (totally lost patience for the drama and cut scene heavy Japanese ones, if I wanted annoying drama and characters I would read a Jane Austin novel), Dragon Age was fun, until they started spawning $6000 worth of DLC. Most games are hindered by being mainly console ports though, and I have less patience for working against the design elements than I used to. I have broader experiences, and greater means than I did as a teen or in my early 20s, so I have more alternatives to turn to when games start being arbitrarily frustrating.

      The last game to actually get me to obsess over it (meaning play it for 6 straight hours without realizing it) was Minecraft. The honeymoon is slightly over, since I realized there is really nothing much to do after a bit, and the thrill of discovery wears off.

      But generally I play for 5 hours, and move on to other, non-gaming, projects. I'm currently plotting a collaborative novel, and it is a bit more appealing and enticing than playing Call of Duty 2001: The Bigactionexplosionbangbanggogoteamamerica Odyssey, as is many other fun projects I have around the house. Instead of trying to avoid being tea-bagged by 13 years olds with more free time than me, I can go out to the local pub with some friends, or read one of the 50 or so books in my "to read" pile. Sometimes going for a nice long hike is more fun... Sometimes studying things just for fun is... etc... Your horizons expand with age. There is no shame in finding your appeal in video games waning.

      --
      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    42. Re:Chess by yukk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm in my mid 40's as of about a week ago. I still play games, single and multiplayer, and I still own the kiddies who think they are hot stuff. Getting older doesn't mean you can't have fun.

      This could be just how my brain works, but I figure if I'm 40 and I am still able to own kids in fast-paced multiplayer games, then this is actually a BAD thing because it means I've invested way too much time into the game when I should be doing other things with my life. Not to criticize you in any way, it's just a reason why I feel that sucking at such games as one gets older is nothing to be ashamed of at all. Means you've moved onto other, more important things.

      No, being able to own those kiddies means his senses, reactions and eye-hand co-ordination are still good at 40. Maybe even great. Let's hope your next surgeon if you need one kicks ass at video games and that the guy behind you on the highway isn't thinking it's too bad his reactions have gone to heck and he can't see well enough to play games any more. Games are just a choice of outlet as someone said. Different things engage different people. That's what makes us individuals.

      --
      The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat." Lily Tomlin
    43. Re:Chess by horza · · Score: 1

      Chess is fun, but it's more fun playing with a human. However, plenty of chess sites have interesting daily puzzles on them.

      Another to consider is Vendetta Online, more like the original Elite than the more RPG-style Eve Online. A poster down below mentioned Portal as an original and challenging game. You can get some golden oldies at bargain bucket prices: Command and Conquer, Red Alert, and the myriad of civilisation building sims.

      Alternatively, you could learn a new computer language and try writing your own operating system. It's just as fun.

      Phillip.

    44. Re:Chess by baubo · · Score: 1

      Yes, because getting older means that you can't have fun.

      The older that I get, the more I realise that maturity isn't about being stiff, serious and trying to appear "adult", it's about having fun doing what you enjoy without caring about what anyone else might think of it. I might have thought the way you did ten years ago, but gradually I just stopped caring about appearances.

      I wish I had mod points. I'll be 60 my next birthday and I love games. Never been any good at chess, admire folks who have the mind for it. I liked PnP D&D, would still play with a patient and reasonably civil group. Play some F2P mmos, loved DAO, can't wait for the next one. People are different; don't let anyone tell you how to act, whatever age you are.

    45. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I'm in my mid thirties and I've outgrown my interest for being social.

    46. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If grass could scream, I would mow it every day.

    47. Re:Chess by morari · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but we're a Triumph family. We try to stay away from that Jap stuff... My old VW Bug not withstanding. :P

      --
      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    48. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in my early 20s and chess is my preferred game .... well that and battle of wesnoth (turn based strategy)

    49. Re:Chess by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Chess is the way to go.

      Chess is one way to go, but not the only way to Go. Many people arrive at Go directly without passing through Chess, or only making a tangential contact with chess.

      And, of course, Chess has been solved by computers (for practicable meanings of "solved") ; Go hasn't (for comparable meanings of "solved", on boards bigger than 5x5). So given a few years study, it's credible for you to get to be able to beat the best of present-day Go programmes, but not the best of human players.

      In the nearly 30 years that I've been playing Go, the best of the computer systems have advanced by around 15 grades of strength. If they continue to advance at that rate, then by around 2020, then the best of amateur players will struggle against the computers. The best professionals will succumb in around the 2030s.

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    50. Re:Chess by turgid · · Score: 1

      Both are pretty dull and should be automated. Real men develop algorithms to play them.

    51. Re:Chess by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Norm. Most games pre-00 were based more on story than graphics, unless the graphics were the selling point. I'd say that the hayday of stories being the driving point died out in oh 2001, 2002 or so, even after that there have been a few gems but they're few and far between. Because graphics became the cheaper(as adoption becomes greater), and easier way to drive sales. 8-9 years have seen explosive differences in the quality of graphics.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    52. Re:Chess by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

      Norm. Most games pre-00 were based more on story than graphics, unless the graphics were the selling point. I'd say that the hayday of stories being the driving point died out in oh 2001, 2002 or so, even after that there have been a few gems but they're few and far between. Because graphics became the cheaper(as adoption becomes greater), and easier way to drive sales. 8-9 years have seen explosive differences in the quality of graphics.

      That's an incredible claim to make and one not reflected in reality at all. Unless you only looked at and played two games a year a game with a good story has always been the exception rather than the norm.

      --
      I put my books on Amazon, Smashwords, Demonoid, ISOHunt and Pirate Bay. Search for 'Michael Cargill'
    53. Re:Chess by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Especially funny how the poster you replied to also said, in a followup nearby, something close to "that's a discussion board, it's about discussion, so everybody can have an opinion" - after "I disagree / misunderstand your opinion, therefore you're a troll"...

      Yes, we are not the same person we used to be; doesn't stop people from attaching undue importance to the myth of unbroken, monolithic "me" - while it's really easy to argue how our minds are closer to our peers than to ourselves in a very different stage of life (how split-brain patients generally appear almost unaffected provides nice controlled example; or, even better: there's a disorder, due to particularly localized brain trauma, which causes people to go blind seemingly without them realizing it). That's not even the worst of such myths - many more further along ("more of us is alive today than the total number of people who have ever lived" for example, while there's at least 100 billion dead homo sapiens already - about which we don't care about at all, as well as for virtually all of the living, as well as for our very recent ancestors ...but oh well, seeing oneself as central to the world is not only the most straightforward perspective, probably also aided in survival)

      BTW...

      Most games are hindered by being mainly console ports though, and I have less patience for working against the design elements than I used to.

      That's also a bit of a myth. Not only "console games" have changed, too - the "console ports" are really hybrids on one hand, and a symptom of gaming being much more widespread on the other (funnily enough - that's what we wanted, when the world didn't understand our gaming 2 decades ago)

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    54. Re:Chess by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Actually, "kicks ass at video games" (implying also some regular and non-trivial time investment in the process) is something I definitely wouldn't want from my next surgeon, if I need one. You wouldn't too, if you knew how swamped many of them are with activities revolving around long term preparations to do their job and doing it. Many of the good ones, at least.

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
  2. Try Minecraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's all kinds of fun. Kind of virtual lego with some friends. Mount and blade: Warband is fun a good bit different. I don't think I find it harder to like games, instead I suspect the new games are of poorer quality with a lot of dumbing down going on and the games being buggy and unfinished.

    1. Re:Try Minecraft by Brazilian+Geek · · Score: 1

      It's uncanny that you just described my past 3 months of gaming and the submitter described my feelings of late.

      After finishing Mass Effect 2 (which I recommend, along with Dragon Age) I spent a while with Minecraft until I started to feel sick playing it, the game is awesome but the cramped spaces or heights and constant sense of fear had me feeling woozy so I had to step away and I turned back to Mount & Blade and Mount & Blade: Warbands. The vanilla game isn't all that hot but the mods, oh boy, the mods are worth it even if a few are buggy. I personally like Prophecy of Pendor (M&B) and Brytenwalda (M&B:Warbands) - both change the game significantly for the better but they're not easy and, while the AI is still dumb as a rock, the battles are still a lot of fun.

      Currently I prefer games that I can play at my own pace - an hour a day - but still have a sense of accomplishment. I'm still not a fan of casual games but I can find fun in them but I still like the idea of building characters or worlds except not in MMORPG's, I tried that once as a way to kill an hour a day and lost 14 months of my life.

      --
      All browsers' default homepage should read: Don't Panic...
    2. Re:Try Minecraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

    3. Re:Try Minecraft by morari · · Score: 1

      I don't think I find it harder to like games, instead I suspect the new games are of poorer quality with a lot of dumbing down going on and the games being buggy and unfinished.

      Exactly! It's been gradually coming to this ever since the Playstation was released all those years ago.

      --
      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    4. Re:Try Minecraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Minecraft sounds interesting, but I'd rather stick to games without any DRM.

    5. Re:Try Minecraft by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      You could always play on Peaceful... creativity for creativity's sake.

      I also tend to use VLC running a movie or something with Always On Top and Minimal Interface enabled (so it's just the video and a title bar floating on the top left of my screen). It's relaxing - for me at least - to zone out and mine while watching a movie.

    6. Re:Try Minecraft by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Kind of virtual lego with some friends.

      You know that feeling you get when everybody is raving about something and you just don't get it? To each their own, but I just want to lend support to those that don't want to buy in to the hype. Yes, I've seen the YouTube videos, no I'm not going to play it. It looks totally boring, and I have no interest in playing with legos.

    7. Re:Try Minecraft by Kit+Kat100 · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes minecraft looks boring with it's shifty graphics and seemingly limited possibilities, but really it isn't. I've had tons of fun with it and still playing. I would definitely recommend it :)

    8. Re:Try Minecraft by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      The thing is that at its core it's really *not* virtual Legos. It's a survival game, however much of the gameplay is currently missing. It's eventually going to have a win condition.

      It was never intended to be a virtual Lego playland--it was originally intended to be similar to Dwarf Fortress. The developer has said he'd rather it be too hard than too easy. The first versions had no gameplay while he was working on the mining and building engine and people fixated on that and started representing it as a pure building sandbox, when it's really not.

      It's really about collecting resources, building a shelter, avoiding or fighting monsters that want to kill you, etc. I agree that if it was just about building, it would get boring fast.

    9. Re:Try Minecraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word, "TigSource" (It also happens to be where minecraft started :D)

      Look at their database, and forget about AAA titles, It's refreshing to have so many new, creative games to choose from. I'd almost completely given up on PC gaming until lately. (with the last PC game I'd bought that I still enjoyed being UT2004). Now...Cave Story, Minecraft, Penumbra, World of Goo, Aquaria, Spelunky, and so many more.

      Prepare to lose weeks on end...here's the link http://db.tigsource.com/

    10. Re:Try Minecraft by TraumaER · · Score: 1

      I've fell in love with minecraft mainly because of the pick up and play that the game is. I enjoy the survival aspect of it though. However I have yet to, in the months of playing it, build a planned out building. I have however restarted the game about a million times. Notch (the developer) has and is putting a lot of effort into the game and I think that it can probably be my favorite time killing game ever. I guess that is my two scents worth on Minecraft On the original post though, as a avid gamer, and one who's girlfriend thinks I play too much I can definitely tell that the newer games are a bit boring and you need to latch onto a series or do your research and play your old favorites until that one new game comes out that conquers all. Good luck from one gamer to another!

  3. Heavy Rain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, you could get more enjoyment by watching a DVD and having someone occasionally hit "pause," thereby forcing you to hit "play" to continue watching the DVD. Better yet, have the DVD player programmed to make you press a random button from time to time, or forcibly shake the remote in order to continue watching the film.

    1. Re:Heavy Rain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found it entertaining, despite the lack of actual interactivity. Choose your own adventure and all. Not that it wasn't without its (sometimes very) weak points, but at least it's a step in the right direction. I'll take a decent story over the most polished FPS any day of the week.

  4. In a word.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. I'm finding it harder to find games worth playing, and I partially accredit that to the fact that the storylines aren't as important as they used to be. I'm spending more and more time playing older games, and that seems to be working out decently. Revisiting gems like the Mother series (Earthbound) and the Lucasfilm/Lucasarts games adventure games seems to be satiating my needs at the moment, but I wonder how long that's going to go on for until I run out of shit I enjoy playing. Bioware seems to consistently hold my interest, more than most current developers anyway. Other than that, it's pretty slim pickings these days.

    1. Re:In a word.. by ghjm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the drive to "have a storyline" is what's killing games, by turning them into movies. What was the storyline of Asteroids or Pac-Man?

      The problem with modern games is that the gameplay is exactly the same across many many titles. Most FPSs have pretty much the same gameplay. The breakout indie successes are almost always about gameplay, not storyline.

    2. Re:In a word.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pac-Man begins in the winter of 2001, as New York City finishes experiencing the worst blizzard in the history of the city. The intro sequence shows Pac-Man, a renegade DEA agent and former NYPD officer, standing at the top of a skyscraper building as police units arrive. He then experiences a flashback from three years ago. Back in 1998, Pac-Man returned home to find that a trio of apparent junkies had broken into his house while high on a new designer drug called Valkyr.

    3. Re:In a word.. by HalifaxRage · · Score: 1

      Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

      --
      bomb the us up set someone
    4. Re:In a word.. by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1

      I'd agree. A lot of the recent games I played pump you with fmv/cut scenes that to be honest half the time I can't even understand. I pick up a game and play it for 30 mins, and I've actually only 'played' for about 10, the rest has been watching 'story' and bad voice acting. Where are the games I can just play!?

    5. Re:In a word.. by airfoobar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. Ridiculously big budgets are killing games, just like they are killing movies and music. The more money there is on the line, the more pressure there is on the creators to go with a tried and tested formula, in the hope they can minimise the risk. In other words, the variety and creativity from the early days of computer gaming is being sucked out by the games industry.

      If one wants to see something fresh, indie games are the way to go (World of Goo, Osmos, Amnesia, Minecraft). Adventure games from smaller European companies can also be quite good (The Longest Journey, Black Mirror... check out www.adventuregamers.com).

      This is not to say that no worthwhile games are being published through the industry. The problem is, the non-clones usually remain obscure because they don't receive the advertising budgets of the clones.

      My 2c.

    6. Re:In a word.. by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      Oh teh noes! The junkies killed Mrs Pacman.

    7. Re:In a word.. by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      But do remember - Asteriods and Pac-man were a pair of games made when you had not many other choices, nor a concept of other choices. Being faced with these lonely options probably made them seem a lot more attractive. I'm sure I would have loved playing them back then, but now? Why would I? I have Assassin's Creed, and Combat Arms, and Halo.

      --
      Humans are terrible replicators of Godly things.
    8. Re:In a word.. by Programmer_In_Traini · · Score: 1

      I think the drive to "have a storyline" is what's killing games

      i dont know about that. having a storyline is part of success factors but its only one ingredient.

      one very recent proof is Heavy Rain, as stated by the OP, is a very engaging story and very movie like. but just that wouldnt have been enough. the controls were right, camera angles werent tedious, close to no bugs. all in all its a polished game and thats what makes or breaks a game.

      What about WoW? across all the MMOs out there, those that were there before, those that are still here today, what makes them good or bad? Blizzard observed what makes a good MMO and concentrated on just that, its hard to spell out what it does that others dont, it does the same thing, just better, more polished.

      BioWare. same thing. In the action rpg style, they're the masters.

      i dont think its really fair to pitch Asteroids or Pac man in the lot beacuse they're from a very different era were it was just about getting more points or doing the same thing but faster!

      I think the real recipe to a good game is taking a genre, observing what makes it interesting and capitalize on that. The experience of the maker in that genre will also play in the success or failure.

      in my opinion its about going for a developer that knows its stuff in the genre, find the key players in the genre. thats how you're going to find really good games. And thats not to say they're the only ones, emerging genre like Minecraft are really great. But if its Insurance of Quality you want, stick to the leaders of the pack.

      --
      If you look like your passport photo, you're too ill to travel. - Will Kommen
    9. Re:In a word.. by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      I disagree that having a story is bad, but I do agree that trying to emulate movies is often bad. Games are inherently interactive and can do things that movies cannot. I don't think developers should try to emulate movies. The western game industry is very fixated on recreating the "movie experience". The Japanese industry is less focused on this, which is one reason why most of the games I've been playing lately are Japanese (or western indie games).

      That said, not all games need stories. Those without stories that are pure gameplay are "games" in the truest sense of the word. I really we need a new word for interactive entertainment that are mostly about adventures with storylines, etc--"game" is not really a very fitting word.

      But yeah, the current batch of AAA western games hold no interest for me with a very few exceptions.

    10. Re:In a word.. by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      I could not agree more. Big budgets are the problem. Big budget games take no risks--they can't offend or annoy or frustrate or be to hard for anyone because they have to appeal to everyone to make money, with tens of millions sunk into their development.

      Most of the games I've been playing lately are indie games, old games, and also Japanese games. The Japanese game industry is very focused on portable systems right now, for a variety of reasons, and games for the DS and PSP take a tiny fraction of the budget required for current-gen HD AAA games in the west, so they tend to do some original things or at least be more quirky and fun than the "super-epic movie experience" that big-budget western games strive for.

    11. Re:In a word.. by brkello · · Score: 1

      How are they killing games? The big budget games sell really well because people love them. There is a huge indie scene where you can find games that try different concepts. Every now and then the smaller titles become popular and a new genre is born. There are tons of great games out there. I don't really get why people are agreeing with you. SC2 had a big budget and is the best game I have ever played. Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age are great games. So what if it is just improving on a tried and true genre...only making minor improvements....they are still fun and well done. The people complaining on here just don't remember how bad gaming was 15 years ago because they were children and were able to put up with a lot of crap.

      --
      Support a great indie game: http://www.abaddon360.com
  5. Yeah.. by dontPanik · · Score: 1, Interesting

    As a college aged kid I'm also finding it harder to enjoy video games as I used to.
    It is something that can be grown out of, people change yadda yadda...

    All I know is that I can't be mesmorized by a video game experience anymore as I could when I was younger.

    --
    "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso
    1. Re:Yeah.. by Barny · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah... yeah.

      Well FUCK THAT, I will still be playing games as much when I am 60 as now that I am 30.

      If you can't find something fun, look harder or GTFO.

      Now get off my lawn.

      --
      ...
      /me sighs
    2. Re:Yeah.. by znerk · · Score: 1

      Amen.

      No, really, that is all.

      --
      This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License.
    3. Re:Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't play games as often as i used to thesedays, those that i do play are indie titles such as Aquaria and World of Goo, but one FPS that has really managed to hold my attention for several years now is Tremulous. The combination of team play with real humans, RTS style base building and a set of varied and interesting alien classes and human technology certainly help.

    4. Re:Yeah.. by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suspect your tastes have just matured. There might be other, more complex games you enjoy more. In college I thought JRPGs were great and had little time for anything else. These days, I can't spend 90 hours crawling through dungeons, and much to my surprise find that I just get frustrated when I try to play JRPGs. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate games anymore, it just meant that I have to say "okay, I'm only going to play the best ranked games on metacritic."

    5. Re:Yeah.. by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. I'm 51 and have been playing video games since the grandady of them all "Pong" appeared next to the pinball machines in the local bowling alley. I have no intention of stopping anytime soon. Games are like movies and books, maximum of one or two genuine classics per year, the rest are either good variations of an existing classic or just rubbish.

      As to the question posed in the summary; I find games with a simple interface and rules are the best ones to leave and come back to later. I have been playing the popular flash game "gemcraft - chapter 0" since the start of the year, I keep coming back in the hope of finishing the last few feindishly frustrating levels.

      OTOH if the poster genuinely cannot find anything to play he could do what my 77yo dad did and find enjoyment from learning to write his own games.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    6. Re:Yeah.. by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Plenty of good games, you just have to look outside the flashy titles.

    7. Re:Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This past week I've been shopping for math books to read for self-study; while I was doing it, I reminisced how in old RPGs I'd pick out skills for the characters (e.g., lock-picking), and I just don't think I could manage to feel much love for an RPG again. It may be pretentious, but I just have too many things I want to do and learn in real life for me to devote time to a pretend version of myself in a game.

      I would buy and play some types of games -- I liked Wii Sports, and I'm sure I'd like GT 5 -- but TVs, much less consoles, are rare among the younger set in the cities I've been living in. Given that I already spend too much of my time in front of a computer, that leaves the occasional phone app or Flash game, and those usually grow old quickly.

      All this leads to me rarely ever thinking about video games. Now if I want to relax, I'll go out with friends, or pop on a movie, or get some exercise. I'll probably get a TV and console if I end up moving to a smaller city or town where there's more space and less things to do, but I'd likely stick to games that can be played in relatively brief bursts of time.

    8. Re:Yeah.. by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      If I fire up Mame and play some of the old games from the '80s, I can get in the zone just as well now as I did then. Lamentably, my favorites required special controllers that my system is lacking.

      The game industry has to a large extent become as formulaic and uncreative as the movie and music industries. They're down to a few formulas that work, and they seldom stray outside of those. As long as people keep buying that crap, they'll be happy to keep making it.

      You can find some good stuff at the fringes though. The mainstream has never been a good place to hang out for quality entertainment that's worth the money you spend on it.

      --

      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    9. Re:Yeah.. by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well FUCK THAT, I will still be playing games as much when I am 60 as now that I am 30.

      You have no idea how you'll change between now and 60.

      If you can't find something fun, look harder or GTFO.

      Its possible that by 60 you'll have found there there are things other than games that are fun.

      Now get off my lawn.

      That's your mom's lawn, sonny.

    10. Re:Yeah.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You assume you will still want to play games at 60. I'm 30 too and my interests are very different now to what they were when I was 20. 60 is another entire lifetime away for us and even though people's tastes seem to change less as they age I wouldn't like to bet on what I will be like in 2040. For that matter I wouldn't like to speculate what games will be like in 2040 either.

      I used to worry that my youth was slipping away and that I was loosing interest in those things which used to matter so much to me. Life isn't like that though and there is nothing wrong with moving on.

      In relation to games specifically I think the desire to compete deminishes as you get older. I don't care about fashion or my appearance as much as I used to either, which looking back on what I was like as a teenager probably isn't such a bad thing. It isn't a problem, just a normal part of getting older.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    11. Re:Yeah.. by BurtCrep · · Score: 1

      Well FUCK THAT, I will still be playing games as much when I am 60 as now that I am 30.

      There there, now listen to this one sounding like a 10-year old saying 'I'm never going to kiss a girl'. If you haven't yet grasped that tastes change with time and that experiences begin to feel like "more of the same" after a while, I suggest you reread your post and take your own advice.

      The question "Are you finding it harder, as you get more mature, to find something you want to play?" was clearly not intended at you.

    12. Re:Yeah.. by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      thats because you are from a generation that didnt grow up gaming. in your time, these stuff that are found in games (spacely stuff, fantasy worlds this that) were desired, but could only be dreamed. your generation grew up with those dreams. those dreams stuck. you are now enjoying games continually because they satisfy your generation.

      our generation (early to mid 70s born and later) have grown up WHILE gaming. we didnt have to dream, we had all those dreams satisfied. got space-like ? fire up a space game. watched conan ? fire up conan and play.

      we satisfied our shit. your generation, yet didnt.

    13. Re:Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I know is that I can't be mesmorized by a video game experience anymore as I could when I was younger.

      I know the phenomenon, but the question really is if you have changed or if the gaming "industry" has. Lets face it 15-20 years ago computer gaming was a geek hobby, interesting only
      to a rather small minority. Widespread console gaming has changed it. Nowadays the gamers are from a much wider demographic background and of course the gaming industry tries to maximize their profits by appealing to lowest common denominator. Smart PC games have been replaced by soulless console ports, which, apart from the violence, any ten year old could play. Compare this to games like "Master of Magic", "Ascendancy", "Battle Isle" or many of the sometimes frustratingly difficult RPGs of the late 80s and early 90s. Understanding the basic gaming mechanics sometimes took as look as finishing some of the modern frustration-free games, which nonetheless still cost you 40-50 bucks or more.

    14. Re:Yeah.. by pokeronlineweb · · Score: 1

      I am playing poker at the moment that's great!

      --
      Online Poker http://www.netbetpoker.it
    15. Re:Yeah.. by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Curse you.... now I have to go back and finish Gemcraft 0 too ;) That game is pure evil genius!

      --
      -Billco, Fnarg.com
    16. Re:Yeah.. by timeOday · · Score: 1
      This is the "now" you fearing the "future" you.

      When I was a kid it scared me to watch my dad watch the news, because I didn't like the news, and didn't want to grow up and have to watch it. Now I like watching the news, and I realize things change, the "me" of today won't be around tomorrow because I'll be slightly different, but it's OK.

      Why worry about games? Any of a thousand other hobbies has just as much "merit" (if any). I liked video games in my teens and early twenties, faded out in my mid-20s and early 30s, but now play more again - with my kids. But it doesn't matter, when it comes to hobbies, just follow your bliss.

    17. Re:Yeah.. by dcarmi · · Score: 1

      Yeah... yeah.

      Well FUCK THAT, I will still be playing games as much when I am 60 as now that I am 30.

      I am sure you will, but not like you do now! I consider myself a gamer but now at 48, I play games in a different way. I no longer wish to spend hours and days and weeks on the same game. This change happened about 2 years ago.

      Now, I need a quick football match, a spin round the block, blow the head off some dude, just as much as I ever did... but now only for short periods of time and not every day.

      If you can't find something fun, look harder or GTFO.

      It is called growing up and not growing old. I can still out play the kids at football (real with a real ball) and out run them over a distance.

      As you get older you learn there is more to life than any single thing and you have to regulate your activities accordingly

      Now get off my lawn.

      You, my friend, are welcome to visit my lawn any time you like. One of the things I don't do are lawns!

    18. Re:Yeah.. by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a counter perhaps I still enjoy playing games because I have a richer imagination. That my desires are less shallow, incapable of being fulfilled by the latest version of CoD, or Madden.

      I still play games because I enjoy them. I enjoy them in the same way that enjoy a good book, a good movie, etc. I'm not limited to video games either, I play new boardgames and table top games. I do so with my children.

      To answer the OP as you get older your life becomes more complex. You have more demands on your time. You might not get the same joy out of playing because you believe you should be doing something else, or that there are other things you'd rather do. If its the former then that's a shame, if its the later embrace the other things.

      --
      You may think me a tired, old, cynic. I'd have to disagree about the tired bit.
    19. Re:Yeah.. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      As a counter perhaps I still enjoy playing games because I have a richer imagination. That my desires are less shallow, incapable of being fulfilled by the latest version of CoD, or Madden.

      find me such a game that caters to imaginative needs.

    20. Re:Yeah.. by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I will still be playing games as much when I am 60 as now that I am 30. If you can't find something fun, look harder or GTFO.

      Now get off my lawn.

      No.

      --
      "Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
    21. Re:Yeah.. by Barny · · Score: 1

      Hehe, a lot of people replied with similar sentiment, and you show a bit of difference at least in saying "but you might want to do other things", the fact of the matter is, if all I did was games then that would in fact be something to criticise me over, but I don't of course.

      I socialise with friends, I go to gym 5 days a week, and although I wouldn't be up to playing football (medical problems there unfortunately) a full time gamer I most definitely am not.

      What I am saying is, that just because your taste in games changes, doesn't mean you are too old to play merely that you may want to look harder.

      One good way is to jump on steam, look up a group of gamers who play your favourite game and check some public profiles to see what else they play.

      --
      ...
      /me sighs
    22. Re:Yeah.. by shnull · · Score: 0

      true, guilt and some sort of hidden peer pressure might be heavy influences here albeit more or less subconscious, "people your age are not supposed to be playing silly games" in everything you do you shouldnt underestimate the influence of hidden motivators and demotivators, not cos you dont think of them that they're not there. From the age you start learning beyond simple recognition you are trained into accepting some way of life is 'the right way' .That's very hard to ignore later, in case of severe gaming as well :p

      --
      beware he who denies you access to information for in his mind, he already deems himself to be your master (SMAC-ish)
    23. Re:Yeah.. by EBv2010 · · Score: 1

      As a teen I 50/50 played and programmed on my Commodore 64. After that, I didn't play much apart from a 2 year period in which I played a lot of Star Trek: Birth Of The Federation. Now, at 42, I started playing big time. I play quickies (CoD:MW2 multi-player), more involved games (SupCom2) and, behold, tabletop wargaming (if you thought computer gaming eats your time and money, think again). I'll die with a game controller or polyhedral dice in my hand, possibly while looking up stats or rules.

    24. Re:Yeah.. by EBv2010 · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how you'll change between now and 60.

      Indeed, after hardly playing for 20 years, now that I'm 42, I play more than ever. When I'm 60, I'm Kevin Flynn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(film)

    25. Re:Yeah.. by Barny · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I got a pile of warhammer 40k stuff beside me at all times for when I get "done" with games for a bit.

      Although magic: the gathering has been consuming some of my funds lately, I try and keep my decks "fun" and under $100, so its still got a fair way to grow to catch up on my 40k addiction cost wise.

      --
      ...
      /me sighs
    26. Re:Yeah.. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I've found that life gets a whole lot simpler when the kids move out and start having their own kids. :)

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    27. Re:Yeah.. by bigJay10 · · Score: 1

      TapeCutter, I agree about the simple games being the better ones. But I would also say that the simple games are the classics. I too loved Pong in those early days, and games to match this are few and far between. If you don't touch them for months, they become fresh again, and like yourself allow me to attempt those tricky levels with increased enthusiasm.

  6. Playing by yourself? by SpamSlapper · · Score: 1

    I've been playing Eve Online daily for 2 years now, and still haven't managed to complete it. Sandbox games are good like that.
    In fact I don't think I've played anything else in that time, except to join the annual Nethack tournamement for old times' sake.

    1. Re:Playing by yourself? by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 1

      How do you 'complete' an MMORPG that's designed to keep you paying the monthly fee for as long as possible?

    2. Re:Playing by yourself? by Cylix · · Score: 1

      2 years... you are just a wee little noob.

      --
      "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
    3. Re:Playing by yourself? by znerk · · Score: 1

      How do you 'complete' an MMORPG that's designed to keep you paying the monthly fee for as long as possible?

      How do you pay a monthly fee, when it's so easy to come up with the 300-350 million ISK for a PLEX?

      Seriously, I played EVE Online for about 10 days, then I realized that it was possible to "win" the game by simply accumulating wealth at an absurd rate and play for free forever. To prove it, I made a brand-new character on a brand-new 14-day trial, bought him a speedy ship, and spent the next 48 hours literally adding digits to my ISK counter. It's actually pretty silly, how easy it is to acquire "money". I estimated that it would take me 5 days from "character creation" to "earning enough ISK to purchase a PLEX", and quit on the spot. Liquidated my 30,000,000 ISK and quit right there.

      Yes, 30 million ISK on a 2-day-old character.

      No, none of it was given to me; all was earned myself.

      On a trial account.

      With pitiful combat skills.

      On a side note, EVE's in-game voice chat is pretty awesome, and their idea of using the middle mouse button for push-to-talk revolutionized my WoW experience.

      --
      This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License.
    4. Re:Playing by yourself? by Ganthor · · Score: 1

      I used to play FPS heaps. My favourite style of game.

      I have Dead Space and Bioshock 2 unfinished. I can't figure out why I just don't pull them out and finish them. By the time I do I usually have lost the muscle memory to survive the level of my last saved game.

      I don't play FPS online any more, (too many trash talking 12 year olds with superior fast twitch muscles).

      I friend of mine put me onto Eve online, and I've been at it for 6 months. I can play it for as long and short as I like and if Mrs or kids need me while I'm at it, usually I can just leave it where I am and attend to real life.

    5. Re:Playing by yourself? by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      Heh, I was so overwhelmed by the game that I quit for that reason alone. I'd expect without deep knowledge of game mechanics and the 'lay of the land' so to speak, what you describe would be impossible.

    6. Re:Playing by yourself? by sahonen · · Score: 1

      So it took you 2 days of fairly constant work to get 30 million, and you need ten times that, or 20 days to get enough for a PLEX... I think I'd rather just spend the $15 that it would take me less than an hour to earn in real life.

      --
      Make me a friend and I'll mod you up
    7. Re:Playing by yourself? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      How do you pay a monthly fee, when it's so easy to come up with the 300-350 million ISK for a PLEX?

      Seriously, I played EVE Online for about 10 days, then I realized that it was possible to "win" the game by simply accumulating wealth at an absurd rate and play for free forever. To prove it, I made a brand-new character on a brand-new 14-day trial, bought him a speedy ship, and spent the next 48 hours literally adding digits to my ISK counter.

      Is 48 hours of work worth less than the money for a paid subscription? I guess making that amount of money in Eve is a nice challenge, but if you continue doing it, aren't you basically working unpaid in order to do more unpaid work?

    8. Re:Playing by yourself? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Well of course if you think that the goal of the game is accumulating ISK, you will do that rather quickly. Some of us have more ambitious projects, like carving out our own territory in null security space. Something like that involves countless billions of ISK and the organization and participation of a thousand players or so on your team. But ok, consider the game "complete" with your 30 million ISK. I make that in under an hour.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    9. Re:Playing by yourself? by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      It's very easy (and very common) to finish all the content available in a traditional MMO. Many people then grind end-game content over and over, to increase numbers and acquire better database entries, or they do it all over again with a new character.

      The point he's making is that EVE doesn't follow that formula. It's impossible to finish all the content, because it doesn't have theme-park style content. It has no end-game. It's rare for two players to play the game exactly the same way. The free expansions add new gameplay rather than new areas with more theme-park attractions to go through and five more levels to grind through.

  7. Auditorium by jonabbey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you checked out Auditorium? It just came out on the PlayStation store for PS3..

  8. team work by __aaeuwj6541 · · Score: 1

    when left4dead came out my freinds and i had MONTHS of fun just playing the campains. Then when we all got togeather and did the vs matches, we had MONTHS MORE fun, L4D2 is here and we are still having fun. I know i hear people whining and bitching about steam and the l4d games. but if you and people you like (eg freinds) play togeather, and can communicate well as a team (and im not talking about clans but friends) then your gaming exprence well be better, thus i give you .team work. it makes games betters

    1. Re:team work by znerk · · Score: 1

      I must agree, teamwork makes things much more enjoyable. Some of my family and friends will gather at my house every once in a while, and we hook all our systems into the LAN to play WoW. Zero-lag voice communications (ie, leaning over and speaking directly to a person) makes for a truly enjoyable dungeoning experience, and having 6 to 8 people with which to run a 10-man raid (albeit not at full speed) makes for several hours of fun.

      Similarly, running a classic raid (designed for 40 players at level 60) with a 5-man group of 80s is absurd fun... especially when someone drops the ball, and we wipe to a group of 35 or 40 "low-level" mobs.

      Of course, these are the same people who will come over and whip out Diablo or Diablo2, make new toons, and kill several hours beating the game in the same fashion.

      Occasionally, we will even whip out the old NES and have Contra or Zelda races.

      Hmm... maybe my friends and I are just weird.

      --
      This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License.
    2. Re:team work by Coopa · · Score: 1

      I can agree with L4D(2) and Steam in general. My friends live back home a few hours away and the easiest way to still keep up is for a few hours playing some L4D or similar for every now and then. We tore through L4D1, we did some online VS but enjoy the campaigns more. But when L4D2 came out there was enough different types of gameplay to keep us interested depending who was about that evening.

  9. Reaction time for old age by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

    I recently started playing SC2 after a long time of just playing EVE online or go.

    Kinda suck at the multi-tasking and reaction time after so many years only training my strategical skills, but notice it improving little by little. So definitely would recommend trying out something that forces you to gain back some reaction skills.

    --
    - These characters were randomly selected.
    1. Re:Reaction time for old age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, reaction time comes back, you just have to keep at it. Also it requires warming up as you get older. A month away from UT and I get owned hard the first few matches, but eventually it comes back. Another effect of age, though, is that after playing something requiring reaction time, you tend to walk away a bit jittered rather than envigorated. Worh it, IMO.

    2. Re:Reaction time for old age by cab15625 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah ... Star Control 2 was an awesome game.

  10. Game Design by Cidolfas · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a student of game design, AAA console titles are generally designed to be conservative in gameplay and copy what's out there, polish it a bit, and sell it with new art. Now, that's not even close to being ALL of what's out there, but if GTA IV, CoD, and Mass Effect 2 aren't your cup of tea (and you do enjoy Heavy Rain) then the big-advertising-budget titles will likely never appeal to you in the way it sounds you want them to.

    If you're willing to buy a game without a proven track record, look at the indie scene (Steam has a good starting selection) and some of the other great titles that have been passed over like Beyond Good and Evil or Psychonauts. They're usually more Grim Fandango or Alice than the bigger games, and you might like them more.

    --
    I am become /dev/null, destroyer of data.
    1. Re:Game Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I picked up Psychonauts on GoG during a sale and have to say...

      It's the first game in a loooong time that made me feel like a kid again.

      (I think it also made me realize that I wasn't changing, so much as recent games really are pretty shitty. I figured that was the less likely of the two, but going back and playing Psychonauts, Interstate '76, Dungeon Keeper, Baldur's Gate, Pirates!, and some of the others really made me wonder...)

    2. Re:Game Design by Cidolfas · · Score: 1

      Addendum: download and play Cave Story, or get it for WiiWare. Contends for "Greatest Video Game Ever", and the PC version is freeware. It can be hard at times, but the gameplay and story presentation just draws you in.

      --
      I am become /dev/null, destroyer of data.
    3. Re:Game Design by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      Why does Beyond Good and Evil come up every time people are bitching about video games? That game had framerate issues, game killing bugs, mediocre combat and poorly thought out puzzles. I was sold ads with a lone girl in a dimly lit dystopia uncovering conspiracies with her camera. What I got was some anthropomorphic creatures, "wacky" comic relief and half-rate staff fights. The only saving grace is that it didn't sell well, meaning that not many people had to endure that.

      --
      When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
    4. Re:Game Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you only advertising new games?

      What about good older stuff like Paradroid Metal Edition.

    5. Re:Game Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a student of game design, not English.

    6. Re:Game Design by mcvos · · Score: 1

      If you like stories in caves, you can also try Colossal Cave. It's a bit old, though.

    7. Re:Game Design by thetagger · · Score: 1

      That game had framerate issues, game killing bugs, mediocre combat and poorly thought out puzzles

      Get the Gamecube version if you had problems with bugs.

    8. Re:Game Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked the music :-)

    9. Re:Game Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the GameCube version. No bugs, but it was still a very average game.

    10. Re:Game Design by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Another advantage of Steam is they have older games, which run great on older systems and even netbooks. Many start well under $5. I have found several good games that I passed on for some reason 5-10 years ago, but are actually quite playable. I never feel bad if I don't finish a $3.99 game, especially if I still got lots of enjoyment out of it.

      --
      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    11. Re:Game Design by tepples · · Score: 1

      Why are you only advertising new games?

      Because they are more likely to be compatible with the hardware that one already owns without having to buy or solder together a potentially copy-protection-circumventing game dumper.

    12. Re:Game Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blah Blah Blah, I am too smart to like the mainstream stuff, I am just too awesome.

      How many of these stupid threads do we need on Slashdot? They seem to pop up almost bi-weekly at this point. Nobody besides the group-think circle jerk squad gives a crap.

    13. Re:Game Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get why people like Cave Story so damn much. It's not a bad game, but it's not very good, either. The story? FFS, it's a joke. A poorly written one, at that. The gameplay is OK, I suppose, if you like the "Metrodovania" style, but that's hardly everyone's cup of tea.

  11. Good games are rare by mike.rimov · · Score: 1

    I was starting to think the same thing for a while, until I thought about it and realized that of all the games I "had to have" growing up, there were only 1 in 10 that truly captivated me.

    Same rule applied in the arcades -- there were 1-2 games out of the entire shop that got my attention, the rest I played once or twice, and walked away.

    Age does have something to do with it because we see the formula a game is based on and instantly realize "nothing new here" -- but I don't think its as much of a factor as you might think at first.

    Good games have always been a rarity in a sea of mediocrity -- just like any other story telling or entertainment medium.

  12. Games these days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say i understand where you are coming from. I see a lot of companies jumping on the bandwagon, trying to make the games that are already making money. A lot of good games i've played recently have been independantly developed or hardly known. Amnesia has been the most recent that had captured my attention and make me sit on edge. I'm tired of the way companies have come, I miss the older days when they tried to pump as many, varied games as they could to hit the best sellers. I remember when sidescrolling duke nukem came out, i couldn't stop playing. Nowadays i see the old cookie cutter games, dressed in new graphics, but no really new gameplay. Except for the occasional instant classics. Good luck in your gaming, and there will be new games always coming out, so don't throw down the controller yet, just let it rest..

  13. How about Riemann Hypothesis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:How about Riemann Hypothesis? by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Nah, I already played that game for a few hours. It's fun to pretend to solve it and become famous and win a million bucks and all, but in the end I had to stop when they showed a buffy rerun on the telly...

  14. I was in a rut too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...until I found Cave Story!

  15. Have I Lost My Gaming Mojo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cave Story immediately comes to mind. It's worth a look, if you're into old-school platformers.

    1. RE: Have I Lost My Gaming Mojo? by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have this exact same problem. I'm 35 years old, and I've been playing Arcade/Console/PC games since the age of 12.

      Over the last 3 weeks I've been scouring the web for reviews, spanning back as far as the mid 80's for gems I may have missed. More and more I'm convinced that I've played every game worth playing.

      My favorite games throughout my life so far have been:

      (the times when I discovered or played them, not necessarily when published)
      Age 12-15: The Bard's Tale, Wasteland, Ultima, Pirates!, Might and Magic 2, Dungeon Master, Gold Box AD&D, Castlevania, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Punch Out, Super Metroid
      Age 16-24: Dune 2, Warcraft, Warcraft II, Tie Fighter, Mechwarrior Vengeance, Counterstrike, TFC, Diablo, Everquest
      Age 24-30: Diablo II, Nethack, Moria, Angband, Zangband, Civilization 3, Baldur's Gate II, Age of Empires II, Shadowrun (Sega Genesis), Half-Life, Daggerfall, Fallout 1&2, Far Cry, X-COM UFO Defense, Battlefield 1942, WoW
      Age 30-35: Master of Magic, Master of Orion 1&2, KOTOR, GTA Vice City, Jedi Knight Academy, Pirates 2, System Shock 2, Deus Ex, Thief Gold, Fallout 3, Might and Magic VI&VII, Wizardy 8, Titan Quest, Torchlight, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Borderlands, Mount and Blade Warband

      There are hundreds of other titles & sequels I've tried which I don't consider worth listing, I'm sure I forgot a few that are.

      But I feel like I've seen it all, and that innovation in computer gaming has stopped.

      I'd like to believe I'm wrong, and I'm sure there are some great indie titles I would enjoy (Mount and Blade Warband was a wonderful surprise), but it's taking me more time to find a game worth playing than to actually play the game. I don't remember that being a problem before.

      --
      The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
    2. Re:Have I Lost My Gaming Mojo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget VVVVVV. Quality old-school style difficulty in a 2d platformer.

  16. Yes your mojo is dead... long live your mojo.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    having gone thru several cycles of "whoohoo!!!" to "ugh...", i can tell you that your mojo is indeed gone... if you believe in crap-religions, maybe it (your mojo) got reincarnated in some 12yo in kentucky...

    but that is ok - you will (someday) find your mojo (or maybe reincarnate someone -elses-) again... and, in true black-white-fashion, you will either be mojo-full or mojo-free when you pass on from this mortal coil... lol...

    naw - as we become adults, it means we start to see things less in black-white and more in grays (hence the hair-color-changes)... but thats ok...

    as for specific recommendations ? i have no clue... im a console-gamer that gets 'into' the silly quest-type games... find another hobby - hell, make up your OWN games... life does not have to hand you entertainment - you can find/make it yourself... and resign yourself to the fact that blue-moons do occur on occasion and only blue-haired-folks are mature enough to wait for them... gl, h.

  17. Your needs differ as you get older... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 1

    The most engaging game I've played recently is Portal. Unique, and fresh. Looking forward to Portal 2. I've gotten back into Left 4 Dead 2 as mindless entertainment. That's my one FPS vice at the moment. I bought Starcraft II but have not gotten into it as much as I thought I would, RTS games don't seem to hold my interest very long. I really enjoyed GTA: Vice City and San Andreas, so I was surprised when I was completely turned off by Liberty City. I think that was a change in myself more than the game's format.

    A little game off steam I enjoyed very much was Machinarium, a delightful puzzle game written entirely in flash that can be had for $5 or less. There are a few more games by the same creator in a similar vein.

    I think when you get older, you want care free, relaxing entertainment that can be had in small chunks. No time-sucking MMORPs, ultra-brain intense strategy, etc. Even Diablo you can enjoy very much in small chunks. A dungeon quest here, a little plot advance there. Looking forward to Diablo III.

    MMORPs seem to be more addicting social habits than games. Single player games tend to run more like interactive movies, which I guess is what I prefer these days.

    1. Re:Your needs differ as you get older... by yerktoader · · Score: 1

      This should be modded up. There's a bunch of great cheap games on Steam and Impulse, though the latter is still catching on. At the very least it's a good way to find new games that can usually be purchased in another manner, a different platform or as a standalone for example.

      After playing I fully recommend BIT.TRIP BEAT, Chime, Defense Grid, Geometry Wars, Lumines, Osmos, Portal, VVVVVV, World of Goo and Zombie Driver. I also saw a new game called Super Meat Boy that looks pretty awesome, but I haven't gotten a chance to play it.

      While Steam has it's issues, and I'm a little pissed at them right now, there are some great games to be had. Their sales are often really good, enough to be worth it in spite of being tied into their system.

    2. Re:Your needs differ as you get older... by SillyPerson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The most engaging game I've played recently is Portal. Unique, and fresh. Looking forward to Portal 2.

      Let me just point out that there is something ironic in your opening statements.

    3. Re:Your needs differ as you get older... by tepples · · Score: 1

      After playing I fully recommend [...] Lumines

      If you don't own a PSP or a copy of Windows, is Luminesweeper an acceptable substitute? It's a GPL clone of Lumines that runs on GBA and DS with a flash card and on PC with an emulator.

    4. Re:Your needs differ as you get older... by H3xx · · Score: 1

      I feel I'm in the same boat as the OP; I used to game a lot when I was younger. I still remember fondly the first time I played DOOM for so long that I couldn't see straight. Then it was Blood, then Quake, then Half-Life.

      The decline started when I decided I was going to uninstall Windows and switch to a completely Linux system six years ago; I decided it wasn't worth the effort to restart my computer and risk infection just so I could play Battlefield 1942 against bots for a few hours. At first I still tried to keep my favorite old games around via projects like prboom, ScummVM and the engines at icculus.org. (Little did I know, this was slowly turning me into a *NIX admin and guru.)

      Then, a couple years ago I lost almost everything in a hard drive crash. I decided that was the winds of fate trying to tell me that I should just give up.

      Now that I'm 25, I'm a coder by day and a musician/sound engineer by night. I find I don't even have the patience or the hand-eye coordination to play some of the flash games on Newgrounds.

      MMORPs seem to be more addicting social habits than games.

      I completely agree. I guess I'm lucky never to have gotten into the whole scene (not enough cash, having sex with girls, etc.).

      --
      "Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me."
    5. Re:Your needs differ as you get older... by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      The most engaging game I've played recently is Portal. Unique, and fresh. Looking forward to Portal 2.

      Let me just point out that there is something ironic in your opening statements.

      Not really if you think about it;
      Portal was really only a half of a game (4h long, essentially a demo/shareware version).
      Portal2 is really going to be the first real game. As well, it adds new perspectives, such as co-op play.

    6. Re:Your needs differ as you get older... by BonquiquiShiquavius · · Score: 1

      I really enjoyed GTA: Vice City and San Andreas, so I was surprised when I was completely turned off by Liberty City. I think that was a change in myself more than the game's format.

      I had the same experience. But for me the reason wasn't so much a "change in myself". It was being stuck in city traffic for the entire game that made me hate Liberty City. San Andreas had a huge and highly varied landscape...hill country, desert, little towns and big cities...and a huge variety of vehicles to travel with. Going from one side of the map to the other was a lot fun and usually involved a mixture of air, sea and land vehicles. But I actually found myself groaning during Liberty City when I found out I had to drive across the map for a mission. Fighting city traffic, paying tolls...these things aren't fun in real life...why would they be fun in a game? And almost completely dropping all air vehicles? That was the final straw. Who cares if you can explore all you want, if there's nothing interesting to see and no interesting way of seeing it?

  18. Age and other duties. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    At 34, I love playing games. The problem is that I have other responsibilities to adhere to and limited free time (if ever). No longer am I free to live with my parents and dick around in college. It's part of growing up. Who knows. Perhaps when I get old and retire I will have that free time again and start gaming like I did in my youth, minus the "twitch" genre such as FPSs. Who the hell knows what the technology will be then :)

    --
    Life is not for the lazy.
    1. Re:Age and other duties. by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      I'm a few years older than you, and over the last years I've started playing more games. But much different than 15 years ago, when I was playing Doom. Oh and the Settlers. And Civilisation. Could get you stuck there all night.

      I'm playing bridge on line (a card game and a brain sport), and puzzle games on my phone.

      While impressed by modern games graphics it tends to bore me quickly. Either it needs a lot of practice not to die immediately, or it needs a long time to actually get into it (like RPGs).

      Puzzles you can pick up, play a bit while standing on the train, and leave it when no time. And bridge just gives me a nice challenge, especially when I find a seat at a good table. Good for a quiet evening, but always makes me go to sleep too late :)

    2. Re:Age and other duties. by ADRA · · Score: 1

      "minus the "twitch" genre such as FPSs"

      Taking a look at diverging pieces of the FPS genre, there's totally a place to grow for people more engaged in the strategy aspect of the titles than the twitch action. I was in love with the play style of Natural Selection (and hoping the sequel can live up to the original). The fact that one can take control of a team RTS-style means that there's some room for an overview style control of a battle grid where some really interesting gameplay can occur.

      --
      Bye!
    3. Re:Age and other duties. by Nocturnal+Deviant · · Score: 1

      Back when i played counter strike(like 6 years ago...), i had an older gentleman in my clan...at the ripe old age of 63. And my god was he a redneck. He played with his grandkids, and to be honest was one of the best counter strike players i have played with, i think i was like 18 or so, and this guy could turn and shoot me in the head before I had the chance to get my bearings...and then hed laugh and you could hear his 10 year old grandkids in the background going "nice shot gramps".

      If anything, at 60 your more desensitized to loud noises and can concentrate better. which to be honest slow and methodical is a much better way to play fps's, Twitch shooting doesn't reward nearly as much as a single precise shot to the skull.

      honestly the biggest problem i had was how when someone would throw a grenade or something next to me id twitch and sidestep, and inevitably run into a wall or fuck up somehow, i tried going back to counter strike fairly recently(old friend invited me for a game, so i joined for a few rounds before i got bored and logged) and i noticed how much slower i played....i also went 55-3 k/d. after not playing for 6 years. when the best i used to be able to do was 40-3. Although i also learned the trick of not constantly pressing taband trying to get that top spot also helped.

      anyways back on topic of being an old time fpser.

      You will get trampled on until you learn the maps/common player strategies, after that if your not top of the board, then put on your glasses and you will be.

      --
      -Noc
    4. Re:Age and other duties. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Twitch shooting doesn't reward nearly as much as a single precise shot to the skull.

      Twitch precision shots to the skull reward even more quickly still.

      You will get trampled on until you learn the maps/common player strategies, after that if your not top of the board, then put on your glasses and you will be.

      As opposed to the people with fast reactions who also know the maps and common player strategies.

      With equal knowledge and equal skill, he who moves faster wins. It's a young man's game, along with tennis and dogfighting.

    5. Re:Age and other duties. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Same here. Lack of free time is a problem for me. Also, motivations to play them too because I am so tired from other things like work even if I am single and virgin! It's funny that I am on Thanksgiving vacation and still haven't played any computer games (old games that I need to resume and finish, betas, demos, etc.). I do play Flash games sometimes but they are just quick plays. The ones I enjoyed were posted on http://aqfl.net./ ;)

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  19. Re:Quit whining by Barny · · Score: 1

    Take up cards or something.

    So, Poker Night at the Inventory then?

    http://store.steampowered.com/app/31280/

    --
    ...
    /me sighs
  20. How about text adventures? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are lots of them available. The 2010 IF competition just finished, so there are a bunch of (free!) games of varying quality levels, genres, etc available.

    --
    September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
    1. Re:How about text adventures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.medievia.com is the text game that will take over the genre. I have played it for years and it gets better and better.

    2. Re:How about text adventures? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      I prefer coherent authorial voice, but thanks for the pointer.

      --
      September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
    3. Re:How about text adventures? by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      The problem with most Indieware is that it's just too unpolished. Whether it be from terrible graphics, a terrible interface, or something entirely different, it simply lacks. And that's the problem. There's no middle ground in gaming between the cookie cutter copies with spectacular production values and the indie games with spectacular gaming value. The games that are the best of both worlds truly are few and far between.

    4. Re:How about text adventures? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      That's why text adventures can excel - the production values depend only on the author's writing ability. No need of teams of coders and artists and musicians.

      One paragraph of text (and the reader's brain) can produce a scene that could take a large team weeks or months to produce a graphical depiction.

      --
      September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
  21. Sounds Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could've written the OP, if I thought it would do any good. These days I play Minecraft, UT2004 and its mod “Frag.Ops” (because they run natively in Linux, not because I'm still excited about first person shooters), and Go (yeah, the ancient board game inaccurately portrayed in “A Beautiful Mind.” I recently thought about getting an XBox 360, but the only game that really interested me was UFC Undisputed (either year)...and instead I bought Fire Pro Wrestling Returns (it was only $10 new and has a surprisingly deep grappling system, as well as two MMA modes).

    It is very late, I'm using too many parentheses, and that's why I'm not saying more or bothering to log in.

  22. Make some kids by mark99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Games are not so important for adults. The biggest use for games is learning how to learn fast. Maybe you have that down now and your subconsiously just not as interested.

    Go make and raise some kids and let them learn some games. That is a fun, rewarding, and quite complex game. All stages of it.

    1. Re:Make some kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make kids???

    2. Re:Make some kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about go adopt a kid instead? There's a world full of children that need good parents.

      Quite frankly, I think it's irresponsible to have children of your own with so many that need the love, protection, and guidance that a good parent could provide.

    3. Re:Make some kids by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Oblig XKCD: http://xkcd.com/674/

    4. Re:Make some kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My same sex husband and i have been trying to make kids for 24 years so far without luck. I think he might be barren. >.

    5. Re:Make some kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOW BABBY FORMBED?

    6. Re:Make some kids by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes but the judge may frown on you saving the game and then shooting all the computer controlled avatars.

    7. Re:Make some kids by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

      So fully agree.

      Besides, we're almost 7 billion and rising fast. This isn't sustainable...

    8. Re:Make some kids by acheron12 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that first require finding someone of the opposite sex? As a gamer, this step confuses me.

      --
      there is no god but truth, and reality is its prophet
    9. Re:Make some kids by mcvos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about go adopt a kid instead? There's a world full of children that need good parents.

      Apparently, but it's getting harder and harder to adopt them. At least where I live.

    10. Re:Make some kids by mark99 · · Score: 0

      I actually think it is irrepsonible for healthy talented people to not have kids. Breaks the social contract. Population forcasts continue to collapse and a world with too many pensioners will be ugly - and possibly unavoidable already. Just look at where Japan is headed.

      The earth may be limited but there is infinte room in space. As any geek should know.

    11. Re:Make some kids by Fibe-Piper · · Score: 1

      OK I'll say it, since no one else has:

      Mod "parent" up.

      --
      I went to battle M.C. Escher, but drew a blank.
    12. Re:Make some kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Married and all that. Skipping out on kids, they just aren't worth it. The wife never wanted kids either.

      Got snipped last Feb. I'm 30.

    13. Re:Make some kids by Totenglocke · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Go make and raise some kids and let them learn some games. That is a fun, rewarding, and quite complex game. All stages of it.

      [Citation Needed]

      Seriously, different people have different wants, opinions, and desires. You may find having kids fun - I don't, so I won't have any. I have too many things I want to do (games to play, places to travel to, books to read, etc) to afford the massive time drain that is children (not to mention the annoyance factor, which if you claim kids aren't annoying, you're lying - even the most "Kids are so wonderful!" mother admits that her kids get on her frakking nerves). Also, your claim of "the biggest use for games is learning hot to learn fast" - hardly. That may be a side effect, but the biggest use for games is to have fun. You seem to have fallen into the trap that so many do of thinking that "being an adult == not having fun". When I was a kid my parents followed that and kept pressuring me to be miserable because if you're not hating life, you're obviously immature and not working hard enough. Now I'm an adult, work full time (and then some) and I'm in grad school so I'm incredibly busy - yet I still find time to have fun and enjoy my life.

      But again, everyone has different desires. Your goal in life may be to have kids and have what society tells you is a "fulfilling life" - if that works for you, then that's great. My goal in life is to enjoy myself, regardless of if society approves of how I do it. Don't try to tell him what to do in order for him to enjoy his life, because only he knows what will make him happy.

      --
      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
    14. Re:Make some kids by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      There is no "social contract". The whole notion of a "social contract" was invented by people trying to force others to behave in a certain way.

      --
      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
    15. Re:Make some kids by Cederic · · Score: 1

      How about go adopt a kid instead? There's a world full of children that need good parents.

      You just answered your own query.

    16. Re:Make some kids by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I think it's irresponsible to perpetuate humanity. Stop breeding, it's old fashioned and selfish.

    17. Re:Make some kids by mark99 · · Score: 1

      Or a social contract.

    18. Re:Make some kids by mark99 · · Score: 1

      Wierd reply. Its like you didn't read the e-mails, especially your own. There are several main things you write that don't fit.

      I didn't complain about not having fun - he did. I happen to enjoy my life immensely, both the parts that involve my kids, and the rest of it, but I think that is somewhat off topic.

      Raising kids is actually lots of fun, and mine are rewarding and not very annoying (although admittedly many are). I guess we rasied them right (although genes obviously play a large role too).

      You write about personal responsibiliy and sound economic policy, I think that sound demographics is an essential part of that. Seems like a no-brainer really.

      And sound economic policy and personal responibility is being seriously undermined by people persuing their "different desires" without investment in the human capital that created them in the first place.

      That we need more kids is not a popular opinion these days, but I think it stands to scrutiny. The world we live in is unbounded.

      And by the way I am not the least bit religious. Even athiests can be interested in humanities continued well-being.

    19. Re:Make some kids by Totenglocke · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      First off, you find raising kids fun. Many don't. Saying "raising kids is lots of fun" is a statement of opinion, not a fact. I'll rely on statistics and assume that you enjoy watching sports - however, many do not. See? Fun is a subjective term and everyone has their own idea of what is fun. You cannot tell people what is fun and what is not, you can only state your opinion about what you find fun.

      Secondly, your comment on "sound demographics" sounds an awful lot like "force people to have kids". Why do you think the population MUST keep increasing? Why isn't the current population fine - or perhaps one lower than we currently have? For every person who doesn't want kids, there's some moron having a dozen or two (see the Duggar family). The survival of the human race isn't even remotely in danger, plus it's long been noticed that there's a correlation between an increase in women's education / professional achievement and having fewer (or no) kids. Why? Because they have something that they have to give up that they didn't have to lose back in the days of them being (metaphorically) chained in the kitchen.

      Thirdly, "sound economic policy" has jack shit to do with individuals and everything to do with the laws and economic policies that politicians implement. You also seem to believe in the bullshit of a "social contract" in which I'm somehow obligated to do things for you just because they'd benefit you. I'm not, nor are you required to do anything for me. You seem to be very much against free will and very much of the "You'll do what I goddamn tell you!" mentality (which leads me to form an assumption about your political affiliations). Just to see if I'm right, please, tell me - I'll give you my guess afterwards. =)

      Fourthly, why do we need more kids? The population of the planet is still increasing rapidly - why should people who could have successful and meaningful lives throw them away on having kids? How many female researchers who don't have kids are contributing to furthering science and improving society? If you want to be a martyr, go for it - however, you don't have any right to tell me that I have to have a lower quality life just so that you can try to achieve a "utopia" where everyone has kids dragging them down.

      Lastly, when the hell did I mention religion? Never. I said that you follow what society tells you is the "right" path.

      The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that there are ups and downs to kids and that people should view both sides of the argument before deciding is exactly why there are so many people with unwanted kids and so many kids with crappy home lives. Have an honest discussion, not this shit of "You're a horrible person if you don't have kids and you'll burn in hell!"

      --
      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
    20. Re:Make some kids by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      That's probably due to a bit of organ farming

      --
      The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
    21. Re:Make some kids by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      Waiting lists are for people trying to adopt babies. People willing to adopt older children can do so quite easily.

    22. Re:Make some kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? Some jackass modded this (and the response below) flamebait for saying "Everyone has different desires, you can't tell someone what's the best thing to do with your time"?

      Wow, can we say abuse of mod points? Where's that damn report button...

    23. Re:Make some kids by Intellectual+Elitist · · Score: 0, Troll

      > How about go adopt a kid instead? There's a world full of children that need good parents.

      For a lot of people, the major appeal of having children is to mix their DNA with their partner's and see what they get. I would have no interest in raising someone else's child and pretending they were my own.

      For the people who do enjoy this, great. I'm sure the children benefit from it.

      > Quite frankly, I think it's irresponsible to have children of your own with so many that need the love, protection, and guidance that a good parent could provide.

      And with equal frankness, I think it's ridiculous to paint people as being irresponsible simply because their priorities don't match yours. If you're happier raising a used child instead of a new one, bully for you. Other people prefer having sole responsibility for whatever baggage a child is going to carry through their life.

  23. We're maturing faster than the industry by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    The games industry is trying to get us into skinner boxes to maximize profit, rather than providing quality entertainment: IT is getting old, not just us.

    --

    You can't take the sky from me...

  24. More of the same by boticho · · Score: 1
    This is like Hollywood movies - after some time you keep seeing the same situations over and over and over again. In games, most of the games use a formula in order to minimize risks. If people are paying, then game makers are delivering. What also happens is that most companies try to focus on multiplayer - something that I am not particularly interested.
    Sometimes, games drag for too long. You just get bored in between. I see you GTA4.

    Please, do not try to find new genres. Have you tried a new genre in cinema these days? Dogma movies? Bollywood? The latest new genre I know of in video games has been the plastic guitar video games. Ok - I should also count motion controlled gimnastic "games".

    FYI there is something called the indie scene, where you can see something fresh from time to time. World of Goo, Super Meat Boy, 'Splosion Man are nice games, easy to get into. Sure, they may not last 40 hours to you (50% of the gamers do not see the ending credits these days), but at least you will have a laugh.

    Let me get back to my WH40k miniatures.

    1. Re:More of the same by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Please, do not try to find new genres. Have you tried a new genre in cinema these days? Dogma movies?

      What do you mean, movies? Is there a sequel?

    2. Re:More of the same by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I suspect he was referring to the Dogme film movement. If you haven't seen Lars von Trier's forays into that world then I strongly recommend tracking them down and watching them.

      Genuinely superb cinema, albeit fucking painful to watch. I still can't face watching Dancer in the Dark a second time, even though I feel compelled to do so.

  25. Yes you have by dirkdodgers · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's time to accept that the nearest you'll come to the thrill of a head shot, is a riveting game of cribbage with the ladies.

    I'd ask you to be my bridge partner but it sounds like your reaction times are really sub par.

    Be thankful for the cribbage nights. In another ten years when it takes all you can muster to punch A4 on the bingo card, you'll look back fondly on these times.

    1. Re:Yes you have by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>It's time to accept that the nearest you'll come to the thrill of a head shot, is a riveting game of cribbage with the ladies.

      Yeah, especially if the only game he likes is Lord of Ultima. You click once per three hours or so.

      (OP - at least you should be playing Stronghold Kingdoms, instead of the crap that is LoU.)

    2. Re:Yes you have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A4 on the bingo card,

      Binga!

  26. Gamer for LIFE! by Mars_999 · · Score: 1

    I still game daily. I am 34 and will never quit gaming on the PC. If you think you are going to get some completely new gameplay each game you buy, you are going to be disappointed. All I can say is if you are burned out try a different genre or better yet try some indie games vs. AAA titles. The indies may have some fresh blood for you if you are bored. I hear Minecraft is cool.... And of the thousands of game that have been release I can bet, you haven't tried half of them.... So get to trying out some games you never played, who knows you maybe missing something great!

    1. Re:Gamer for LIFE! by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      I still game daily. I am 34 and will never quit gaming on the PC.

      34 <Laughs>. I have some bad news for you...

      When you're a kid, you can assimilate language, culture, music, food, etc etc. As you get older, your ability to adapt to new forms fades. 34-37 years old is the kill zone for music, food and culture (and I suspect, games.)

      Over the next few years you will find your various tastes in music/food/etc start to freeze up, it won't feel any different, it's just something you'll gradually notice. Seriously, it's quite freaky watching it happen.

      (And yeah, it sucks.)

      --
      Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
    2. Re:Gamer for LIFE! by Keerok · · Score: 1

      If you like spaceish games, try Armada Online. A bit too much grind at points, but quite polished. oh, and completely free.

    3. Re:Gamer for LIFE! by Mars_999 · · Score: 1

      LOL I have friends that are in their 40s that game just as much as I do! :) So we'll see! Hope your wrong!

    4. Re:Gamer for LIFE! by MrMickS · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... I must be the exception that proves the rule.

      I still buy new music, and by new music I mean new music by new bands, not just new music by bands that existed when I grew up. My musical tastes are wide and varied, covering many different genres, from indie bands, to trance, to R&B, to drum and bass, to pop, to rock etc.

      I still try new foods. I still play new games, video and other types.

      I'm 46.

      --
      You may think me a tired, old, cynic. I'd have to disagree about the tired bit.
  27. different type of game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a text game I have been playing for a few years now at http://www.medievia.com that is a totally different experience. This is the deepest game world ever attempted but just with text, and mixed with all chat all the time. You chat to your formation, clan, town, bloodline, and on other channels as well while you have any of a thousand different adventures. They are now just a few months from opening and hope to create a living world where every English speaking person on Earth can own a home, spaceship, or even a whole planet. Imagine a Google sized living breathing text world open forever for everyone, for free.

    I have played many games over the last few years as I continue to play Medievia and have the same opinion you do. The games are all the same formula and leave you wondering why bother. This text game is free and is about the most amazing game I have found because it is so deep. I just recently started learning how to captain a war ship on the ocean and killing giant sea serpents. I hired deckhands and order them around the ship, it is awesome. This games shipping feature is a tiny part of a massively deep game but it in itself is amazing because what they pay attention to are game variables. Other games spend all of their attention on graphics, shadows, deeper draw distances, frames per second, and leave you with a game with very few actual dynamic game variables that affect your player or the adventure you happen to be in. I have adventured with friends in over a hundred Medievia zones and every adventure is different.

    Check it out but have an open mind. The game is way deep and takes a while to really get into. They say the upcoming pets feature will make it as easy to learn as World of Warcraft. I really wish them well.

  28. Me too but I don't blame the games. by Jeeeb · · Score: 1

    I bought a PS3 recently thinking it would be nice to try some gaming in my down time. Despite a few attempts to sit down and enjoy them, no game has really caught my attention. I don't think it's a problem with the game titles. I don't think I found any of the games boring.. There was just nothing that made me want to dedicate my attention to them.

    I guess a certain percentage of gamers grow out of it. Probably there's also a certain percentage of non-gamers who grow into it as well. That's life and if you're not into games anymore then who cares? Save your money / spend it elsewhere. Reading, traveling, eating out, gym/sports/other exercise .etc. are all fun ways to spend your down time.

    1. Re:Me too but I don't blame the games. by deek · · Score: 1

      Try some downloadable games. I recommend Flower and Braid. The Pixeljunk series of games are also very good, although I haven't tried Racer.

  29. You aren't alone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in my mid thirties. Used to be a heavy game player - Doom, Duke 3D, Command and Conquer, Red Alert, Warcraft, most of the Sierra games. Now? I walk through Electronics Boutique, look at what's on the shelves, and shrug my shoulders. There's not much that grabs me; it's too much of the same thing.

    What I do enjoy is getting together with colleagues over lunch for a round of golf on the Xbox 360 (Tiger Woods '10.) I also enjoy going back to some of the classics - the Thief series; Deus Ex (and, to a lesser extent, Invisible War.) I grabbed Cogs when it was on special on Steam, and had fun playing through the levels; still go back to it occasionally, although I've completed them all.

    What I'm looking forward to? Deus Ex Revolutions, and Portal 2, are about it. I find that I'm preferring to go out and spend time with people over board games: Ticket to Ride; Pandemic; Race for the Galaxy; things like that. It gives me the strategy fix I crave, but also gives me human contact, which is what I think is mostly missing from the computer games, at least for me.

    Everybody is different. You grow, you change, you learn. If you're no longer into games, it's not a problem - it's an opportunity to go out and find something else you enjoy doing.

  30. Borderlands by SpryGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really got into Borderlands... great base game, with three out of four great DLCs (the third one being the high point). Great game play, LOTS of replayability (I've been playing it non-stop for a year), and a wicked sense of humor. And multiplayer is a blast if you have any friends to play it with.

    I also really liked the original Fallout 3. Fallout New Vegas isn't really grabbing me though.

    --

    - Spryguy
    There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
    1. Re:Borderlands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also really liked the original Fallout 3.

      In case you haven't noticed, there's a "3" after the word "Fallout" in that title. Do yourself a favour and play the first two games.

  31. Glut of money by Rix · · Score: 1

    There are more people playing games, and thus more money to be made. There's still about as many good game designers, so there are a lot of really crappy games out there. It's just harder to find the gems.

  32. League of Legends by bsdhacker · · Score: 1

    League of Legends is quite a captivating game. Each game lasts usually around 30 minutes. There is a bit of a learning curve though. Once you get over that small hump, the game is a blast to play.

  33. What you've missed by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are you finding it harder, as you get more mature, to find something you want to play?

    I have no problem finding interesting games, but I do find it harder to put up with bad ones. The more frustrating thing is that a lot of the games coming to PC now are actually designed and tested for consoles, which results in (at best) stupid UI design, and (at worst) major instability.

    Lately I've been finding competitive games to be more fun if it involves more than just personal skill, so I've been gravitating toward co-op multiplayer games. Here are two free games on Steam that are great:

    • Alien Swarm: simple to get into, but requires a lot of teamwork and planning skills to master. Everyone has their own role to play and there are usually many ways to tackle problems, so this game makes for some fun speed running.
    • Moonbase Alpha: a NASA-published game that has you fixing a broken moon base (surprise). It's very simple and has some glaring performance issues, but again with some strategy it can be quite fun to speed run in. Even so, it's a very slow game with little going on while you're actually executing your plan, so it's not for everyone.

    I've also been going back to play Neverwinter Nights, which has so many good 3rd party modules that I could be kept busy for years. It has multiplayer too, if you can find friends to play it with.

    Star Wars: The Force Unleashed had a good story and fantastic gameplay -- the spiritual successor to Jedi Academy.

    Dark Void was fun but really short. The jet pack works for some great gameplay and the story is decent. If you can get it cheap, I highly recommend it. Also probably the best video game score I've ever heard, done by Battlestar Galactica composer Bear McCreary.

    Prototype is like GTA meets God of War -- most games start your character off weak at 1 and get you to 10 when you're 80% through the game. Prototype starts you at 11 and somehow keeps getting better, so you never feel short of awesome. The only game to let you glide down to a street, snatch someone up, and run up the side of a building to eat them like some sort of zombie king kong.

    Borderlands is fun if you like to mix in a little RPG with your FPS. Get four friends and go at it. Requires some discipline to ensure you don't level past each-other when you don't play together.

    1. Re:What you've missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Star Wars: The Force Unleashed had a good story and fantastic gameplay -- the spiritual successor to Jedi Academy.

      The Force Unleashed has about as much in common with Jedi Academy as it does Tie Fighter. TFU is much more similar to Devil May Cry and God of War.

    2. Re:What you've missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neverwinter Nights? Bleh. Having played Baldur's Gate I & II I just couldn't get into it. All the fun of those games is the NPC's you can bring to your party, their interactions, quests, etc. Neverwinter Nights 2 on the other hand was pretty decent. It finally allowed you to have multiple party members where things happened.

    3. Re:What you've missed by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      Prototype starts you at 11 and somehow keeps getting better

      Then why don't they just make 1 higher?

      Prototype starts you at 11...it's like, when you're starting out, you're at 1, but you want to be more powerful, you want to kick ass at the beginning, so what does the game do? It starts you at 11

      I know, I see that. Why don't they just make the powers and stats that you get at level 11 available at level 1, and then just call it level 1?

      But....[long pause].....Prototype starts you at 11

      Okay.

      ,

      ,

      (Haven't played the game, have no idea whether you were just making a comparison to power levels in different games or whether the starting level is actually 11.)

      --
      I don't believe in time. It's a grand conspiracy designed to sell watches.
    4. Re:What you've missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Haven't played the game, have no idea whether you were just making a comparison to power levels in different games or whether the starting level is actually 11.)

      It's the former.

    5. Re:What you've missed by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1
      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
    6. Re:What you've missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hilarity of Moonbase Alpha starts when you turn on the text-to-speech feature for the chat-box.
      Like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6RbEOlqRo

    7. Re:What you've missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Force Unleashed might be great fun on a console, on a PC however the control scheme is so broken it makes some parts completely unbearable. Apart from that it's recommendable.

    8. Re:What you've missed by DocHoncho · · Score: 1

      Get you a XBox 360 Wireless controller for windows. It has singlehandedly saved PC gaming for me. It's no good for FPS but since so many games are designed around consoles, why not just use the console controller in the first place? Plus you can sit back and relax while you play instead of being hunched over your keyboard and mouse.

      YMMV

      --
      Celebrity worship is a poor substitute for Deity worship and costs more to boot.
    9. Re:What you've missed by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      I know the thread is dying but its killing me more to NOT post my thoughts on this post. It feels as though you completely skipped over key points of the opening posters post, specifically he listed some games he likes - which are all the same genre- and you haven't mentioned anything of that nature.

      Here's where I agree with you:
      Alien Swarm. Yes, its fun with a group of friends, who all have it and are willing to play it, but if you play online it's daunting as you alone often don't know whats going on when everyone is rushing ahead, its all gogogogo to get it done as fast as possible. Though I have a feeling that his reaction time might not be good enough for Alien swarm, if he's having trouble with an RTS like AoE3.

      Neverwinter Nights. I have not actually played it - but I know its a role playing game. They tend to be a bit slower paced which is good for the poster. Though if he wants something multiplayer any MMORPG would do really. Those aren't so much about twitch reactions as they are about knowing a strategy and executing it.

      Here's where I disagree with you:
      Moonbase Alpha. Was fun for all about 30 minutes before everyone started trying to glitch the engine, you can actually launch your astronaught far away if you fiddle around with the hoses on the ground and droppable items just right. Even when you get people who want to actually play the game - it's so incredibly tedious and boring. It's usually "I'm working on this. You do that." Or if you're really good, its "I need a this. Can you go grab me one?". The repetitiveness is not fun.

      SW:TFU - No. It was not the spiritual successor to Jedi Academy. It was the spiritual REBOOT of Jedi Academy. It started with Dark Forces, which was Lucasart's idea of a StarWars full 3D FPS. I had fun, but I wouldn't recommend anyone bother playing it nowadays except to kill maybe 5 hours - and they must have liked the original Doom. As Dark forces progressed into more sequels you got a lightsaber. They went a little wonky with the naming scheme, It was "Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2" then "Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith" was it's expansion, then they went onto "Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast" which kind of makes it Dark forces 3 or 4. Jedi Academy, while holding the Jedi Knight title, kind of makes it Dark Forces 5, as a spiritual successor. The force Unleashed however follows an entirely different path. You can feel EACH of these games step in the direction it takes every time. The first one was a simple FPS. The next one added the lightsaber and some basic force abilities. Then they got better abilities and MUCH better light saber combat. By the time we reached Jedi Academy, Lightsaber combat was a core focus in the game, they didn't add any new force abilities, only balanced them. The Force Unleashed, while good in its own right - was nothing like any of its predecessors. The focus on Force throw gameplay was completely unlike anything in the earlier games, save for perhaps the overpowered "Force choke off a cliff" move that everyone used in Jedi Outcast, which was balanced in Jedi Academy. While I didn't Enjoy force unleashed all that much, its mostly because the saber combat sucked and I was pampered with it in Jedi Academy. I would much recommend JA over TFU to any Star Wars fan.

      Dark Void & Borderlands - he's clearly stated how he isn't REALLY into the FPS. While it's nice to have these other elements mixed into the game to give them a fresh feel - they are both pretty reliant on your ability to react quickly. And like you said with Borderlands - its far too difficult for any group of 4 friends to stay within reasonable levels of each other - one of you will ALWAYS want to be just a little bit better.

      Prototype. Like GTA meets - woah wait, did you even read his summary? "I'm tired of the GTA formulas".

      -
      My opinion is that the submitter is missing the Golden days of PC gaming, from 1990 to 2002-ish. He's mentioned a lot of adventure type story/puzzle games. He might want to try the Monkey Island series, there's been

    10. Re:What you've missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent post should be modded down to -11.

  34. I'm 31 by holophrastic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I certainly don't play games the way that I used to -- I own and operate two businesses -- but I've managed to find many games to keep me playing an average of 10 hours per week, and it's fun.

    Truth is, I dropped all of the games that simulate real work. Big surprise, I have a full-time job. It's unfortunatel because I really used to like the Master of Orion series, and number three was fantastic. But running a galactic empire easily plays 40 hours per week, and has you thinking about it all the time, and that's no longer entertainment for me.

    But there are way more genres now than ever before, and some have evolved quite nicely. So here's what I've done.

    Used to love the old Sierra adventure games. Now, it's the new Tales of Monkey Island -- the 5 episode thing from last year. Plays the same, but modern story and modern humour.

    Never liked racing games. I bought a sports car last year. Played GRID. Had lots of fun. So much fun, that I took my car to a track -- Watkins Glen. Turns out that real-life race tracks are 100% reproduced in today's racing games. Right down to the advertisements. Really quite something. Felt awesome in the real thing in part because of the game thing.

    Left4Dead, 1&2, do a great job as playing like a sports team. It's tough to organize a game of football in the park. Easy to organize a game of shooting zombies in steam. The tactics and communication work the same way, so it's fun in that way.

    I'm looking forward to the new DeusEx in February. I loved the story in the first one.

    In the end, the truth is that there are just so many many games these days, there's plainly going to me a huge number that you won't like. But you can bet that an industry that big is going to have something for you. It's just that big of an industry, and it's dedicated to giving you a good time. But you'll have to spend some time searching. Really. And if you're looking at anything first-person, you're going to have to get used to the modern-day controls of whatever platform you choose. They're different than they were ten years ago -- in every way.

    But yeah, if you want to enjoy playing games, and you put in some effort to find those games, you will like them. Remember, some games take over 70 million dollars to create. I promise they do it all for you. But if you don't want to, then it'll be an acquired taste that you'll never acquire.

    These days, I'm trying to acquire a taste for Scotch. Don't look up the game, I mean the drink. I've mixed in with amaretto -- something that I simply cannot live without (nor spell consistently) -- and Scotch is still tough to drink. But I want to like it, and I'm on my way. Last you it was french onion soup. This year, it's-a-gonna-be-Scotch.

    1. Re:I'm 31 by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Amaretto?! With scotch?!

      If you haven't already, try diluting it with a little water, maybe 1:5 at first.

      You can also "practice" on American bourbons and rye whiskeys which are cheaper and still have a lot of character to discover (not the ones in plastic bottles). This is not to say bourbons are a second-tier drink; Rowan's Creek for example is magnificent. There's no sense buying the good stuff if it's a challenge to drink, and especially not if you are mixing it with amaretto.

      It's weird how hard it is to find a good French onion soup.

      --
      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
    2. Re:I'm 31 by LRayZor · · Score: 1

      Truth is, I dropped all of the games that simulate real work. Big surprise, I have a full-time job. It's unfortunately because I really used to like the Master of Orion series, and number three was fantastic.

      Ah... what?! I'm sure that must be a mistake. You mean MoM 2 not 3. Three was one of the very worst games I've ever bought. It was diabolically bad.

    3. Re:I'm 31 by LRayZor · · Score: 1

      I meant MOO not MoM :)

    4. Re:I'm 31 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOO three was fantastic? You need a shrink.

    5. Re:I'm 31 by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      I meant MOO not MoM

      Wow, you really set yourself up with that one?

      --
      Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
    6. Re:I'm 31 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Enjoys MOO3 and looking forward to Deus Ex: Human Revolution?

      My troll sense is tingling.

    7. Re:I'm 31 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im 29. I drink Ardbeg. Acquire faster.

    8. Re:I'm 31 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used to love the old Sierra adventure games. Now, it's the new Tales of Monkey Island -- the 5 episode thing from last year. Plays the same, but modern story and modern humour.

      You might be interested to know that ScummVM now supports early-to-mid SCI games:

      "We support Conquests of Camelot/the Longbow, Castle/Island of Dr. Brain, Codename: ICEMAN, EcoQuest 1&2, all four Hoyle games, Freddy Pharkas, Jones in the Fast Lane, King's Quest I-VI, both Laura Bow games, Larry up to 6 (low-res 6 only), Police Quest 1-3, Quest for Glory I-III, Space Quest up to V and a few others."

    9. Re:I'm 31 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try glenlivet

    10. Re:I'm 31 by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Hell, don't discount Apple either - there's a pretty wide selection of more casual games in the App Store that are pretty good, and most aren't a huge investment. After all, Angry Birds for the iPhone is still 99 cents. And there's plenty more talked-about games in there where the goal is strategy. The App Store seems to have brought out every indie developer out there.

      There's probably a few more for Android as well.

      And the Xbox360's Indie area has a few gems to it too. NOt sure about Sony since I don't go on PSN anymore since I refuse to update my PS3 (I might update to 3.41 to jailbreak so I can buy the disc and play a jailbroken version of Heavy Rain 2).

    11. Re:I'm 31 by MrMickS · · Score: 1

      These days, I'm trying to acquire a taste for Scotch. Don't look up the game, I mean the drink. I've mixed in with amaretto -- something that I simply cannot live without (nor spell consistently) -- and Scotch is still tough to drink. But I want to like it, and I'm on my way. Last you it was french onion soup. This year, it's-a-gonna-be-Scotch.

      Please god no!

      How can you gain an appreciation for Scotch by putting Amaretto in it? That's like trying to get an appreciation for the Mona Lisa by looking at it through dark glasses. If its a nice malt just a little water. Its meant to be diluted. That will allow you to appreciate the flavours and the differences between them.

      --
      You may think me a tired, old, cynic. I'd have to disagree about the tired bit.
    12. Re:I'm 31 by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      2 was good, but 3 was much better. But it was certaiknly less game and more simulation. Very much a business interface.

    13. Re:I'm 31 by rafa · · Score: 1

      I approve of your exploration into Scotch. In my opinion, there's no better way to dive into Whisky than to join the Scotch Malt Whisky Society (www.smws.co.uk, local branches or their equivalent are hopefully available where you are at). The tipples they provide are unique, and they are very good at helping you find just the right one for you.

      --
      [Science] is one of the very few things that raises human life a little above farce and gives it the grace of tragedy.
    14. Re:I'm 31 by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Meh, real men drink Laphroaig.

    15. Re:I'm 31 by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firstly, there is Scotch, and there is Single Malt Scotch. *Never* mix the two up (nor mix them in a glass). Scotch is a 'Blend', Single Malt is from a single cask. What you want to acquire a taste for is Single Malt. They are hideously expensive since the yuppies found them years ago, but we can work with it. I won't go into all of the different distilleries, there are web sites that do it better, but I will note that you want to learn on a light scotch first. The cheap way to do this is go buy a bottle of Jameson Irish Whiskey. It is made the same as a single malt, but because it is Irish it can't be named a scotch. Because of that it is reasonably priced and in spite of that it is very very good.

      Offend everyone and pour a shot over a few cubes of ice. Let it mellow for a minute and sip it gently. If its too strong, let it mellow a while longer and sip again. The melting ice will bring it to your palette after a while. The next pour, get brand new cubes, don't use the old ones, and start again. After you get used to it, you can start investing in real single malt. Try Glenmorangie, a nice light scotch. Buy the 10 yr old and for now ignore the older stuff. The older stuff (12, 18 year old) are incredible, but like fine wine you have to be able to have something to judge them against. There are single malts that leap off your tongue like air itself and single malts with depth like you have never tasted. One word of caution though. There is a single malt scotch, Laphroig, avoid it like the plague. I say this as a part owner in the Laphroig Distillery. Laphroig is the smokiest, peatiest of all the single malts, it is like chewing a bit of Scotland itself. It is wonderful and rough and fire and smoke. You will get there one day, but for now avoid it, it would ruin you on scotch.

      Oh, and never mix a single malt scotch with anything, save water, maybe. If you are looking for a scotch liqueur Drambuie is one you might try, me I cant stand the stuff, sweetened scotch - blech.

      Good luck on your journey, Here is a very well written book about single malt scotch.

      --
      Slashdot, where armchair scientists get shouted down and armchair theologians get modded up.
    16. Re:I'm 31 by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      Wow, I'm surprised you can give the Deus Ex authors any anticipatory credit after that wretched turd that was Deus Ex 2. I also loved the original.

    17. Re:I'm 31 by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      Hey! Don't bring up stuff that should never have been. It didn't exist. It was a console game, looked like a console game, and never ever was a computer game.

      NEVER EVER!

      Denials and delusions are a big part of happiness.

    18. Re:I'm 31 by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      you sacrilegious bastard, you dropped scotch into amaretto. I forgive you since you are well meaning but if you care for your life do not tell a real Scotsman about this, he will kill you

      --
      Jehovah be praised, Oracle was not selected
    19. Re:I'm 31 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jameson is NOT "made the same as a single malt".

      Irish is triple-distilled and heated with anthracite coal. Scotch is double-distilled (with a couple of exceptions) and heated over peat.

  35. We're going through the same thing by cablepokerface · · Score: 1

    I know exactly what you mean. I have a pretty busy life, I'm a parent now, I have my sports, my full-time job and my night-school. Always stuff to do. When I'm relaxing it's more and more with my family but I'm also a gamer, who sometimes, when the wife and son are not around, turns on the 360 to have an uncomplicated, immersive gaming experience.

    And that's when the trouble begins. As of late I have found myself increasingly less (is that english?) engaged by most mainstream games. I thought about what had happened and I discovered that over the years (while thinking I had a broad gaming interest) my gaming interest had shrunk in scope and size. I can't be bothered anymore to play anything I don't want to play or thurougly enjoy to play. I used to be less complicated.

    I have to charish my gaming needs, because it can actually deminish. The way to do that is to make it feel like work. Recently I played L4D2 which should be my kind of game (Zombies, FPS) but it dissapointed me very. (just my opinion, not starting a discussion about a particular game here). After that, I did't play for weeks because I 'did't feel like it'. I assure you, that never used to happen.

    My advise to you is, and this has worked well for me: cherry-pick. This seems obvious but it isn't. Cherry-pick the hell out of it. This can mean that you need to invest into several consoles and a PC. These are the games that sparked my gaming mojo lately: Mass Effect2 (360), BioShock2 (360/PS3), Drake's Fortune2 (PS3), StarCraft II (PC).

    Basically what I am saying is that there are allot of gems. Don't be afraid to invest in a console to get them. That's one time expendature. Never play a game because it's the next big thing but inform yourself well through site like gamerankings.com. If it scores 90%+ there and it has 30+ reviews, you can almost bet it's a good game. I love that site.

    1. Re:We're going through the same thing by sludgeman1 · · Score: 1

      I got Starcraft 2, played for about and hour and thought... its the same thing as SC with better graphic and some upgrades. Dropped. Mafia 2. Started playing it. the story sound interesting, but after 2 times trying to complete a mission (the trade gas coupons) i got bored. Uninstalled I was watching that movie Centurion and remembered I had Rome Total War (dropped after a couple of hours). I played it, then the expansion, now Im playing Medieval Total War 2. What hooked me in? I think is because a love history and the what if's... Napoleon TW is waiting for me now. BTW I tried Civilization V but my i had installation problems in my XP 2 Gb Ram PC, worked fine in my brother's Windows 7 4 Gb Ram. Im not upgrading my PC or OS just because of a game. A good story doesnt need good graphics, I still cherish Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind (better plot than Oblivion) and Gabriel Knight 2, god! even Larry Quest 1

  36. Minecraft FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a nearly 40 year old gamer now - I hear ya' man.

    However - a couple of days ago my totally non-backed up home desktop went down - and frantically I thought - I've lost years of pictures of my kids! - my very next thought - was - oh crap - I've lost my f-ing CASTLE!!!

    The other 100 Gigs of half played - will get back to later - games - never even registered.

    Thankfully I got everything back - but I'm not gonna put my Minecraft saved worlds in that kind of danger ever again!

  37. This bothers you? by istartedi · · Score: 1

    I stopped caring about games when the arcade graphics got "cartoony". I briefly regained interest with Quake, then went back into remission.

    It was an addiction. It was probably unhealthy at times. I spend more time in the big blue room with the bright light now. I'm probably much better off.

    Maturity? Embrace it.

    --
    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    1. Re:This bothers you? by slim · · Score: 1

      I stopped caring about games when the arcade
      graphics got "cartoony".

      Funny, I kinda lost interest the more they strove for photorealism.

      More Bomber Man, less Quake, please. The FPSs I can tolerate are Time Splitters and Team Fortress 2.

      My favourite Xbox game ever is Space Giraffe; my current obsession is Pac-man CE DX.

    2. Re:This bothers you? by teh+kurisu · · Score: 1

      I didn't mind it when developers strived for photorealism, while it was still nowhere near achievable. I think that the original Metal Gear Solid looks great, for example, but I'm not such a big fan of the later games, because they lost the stylistic element that the original had as a consequence of the PlayStation not being able to deliver all that much.

  38. older games? by netjiro · · Score: 1

    Many older games are still extremely good, despite dated graphics and more difficult game play compared to modern creations. I suggest checking out adventuregamers.com if you like Grim Fandango, Syberia, etc: http://www.adventuregamers.com/reviews.php reviews -> all -> sort by ratings Most of the highly rated games are very nice indeed. Some can be difficult to find. Ebay/amaazon/etc may have some, gog.com or such may have others, or your friendly neighbourhood p2p archive probably have most of the rest. Telltale games and some other companies do create good modern adventure games as well. Playing together with others also makes it more fun. My wife and I usually play together, and old adventure games are our staple fare. Coop games can be good, but much more difficult to find. Some old RPG games like Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights are good coop, as well as some more modern arcade games like shadowgrounds and alien swarm. Then there are the MMOs and regular multiplayer, but we have not found any that we both like yet. The good immersive games are few and far between, but looking through forums and fan sites can help find the true gems, whether it is an adventure game that carries you to another world for days, a simulator or fps that is good for a couple of hours, or an arcade that leeches 15min of focus every now and then. List the stuff you really liked then start searching using some of them as search terms.

  39. Lack of interesting storyline by dawgs72 · · Score: 1

    As I've gotten older I notice myself picking games more for the story than the multiplayer aspect as I once did. I used to love gathering friends around a console to play Goldeneye or any number of popular games, but now I've began to realize most of these blockbuster games have the same basic premise where I know the outcome and the only selling point is "buy this game because everyone else will so you can play online together."

    I now pick games on how well the gameplay is used to tell the story. The most recent game I played and I'm now playing through again because of the story is Fallout 3. It seems to me I could play through as several different personas and have a different outcome for the story. The game doesn't require lightning fast reflexes to just survive as the enemies are mostly used to advance the story. It should probably be noted I play most games on the easiest difficulty, unless it's a complete cakewalk, because I want the story to unfold and not get stuck in a spot with 5 bullets, a wrench, and a pack of wolves.

    1. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by dawgs72 · · Score: 1

      I would also like to add that a sense of humor in a game is great to break up the monotony of go here, get item, get points.

    2. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by darrylo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just played Mass Effect 2 (a single-player RPG) in easy mode, just for the storyline. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but the storyline and presentation just blew me away. While the plot can be cheesy at times, it's amazingly well done, and, in easy mode, it can almost feel like a movie with limited interaction. During some of the end game sequences, you're blasting away with the same feel and urgency (but not plot, of course) as the movie, Aliens 2. However, the game is short (I finished in less than 35 hours in easy mode), and fairly linear -- while most missions can be done in any order, gameplay is linear once inside a mission.

      Here's a trailer for it:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2O-0-fQOOs

      (Yeah, it's really is that good -- most of the trailer was made from excerpts from the actual in-game videos.)

    3. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      35 hours is LOOOOOOOONG nowadays. Most AAA titles on the PC come out in 18-20 hours.

      OP wants a game where he doesn't feel he has to play all the time. I get the impression that someone without much game time would want a game you can dip in and out of, as opposed to a monolith of narrative and cinematography.

      Think of it as like watching Lord of the Rings in 10 minute segments, every week.

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
    4. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by GF678 · · Score: 1

      it can almost feel like a movie with limited interaction.

      I believe a comment was made about the Call of Duty games, especially Black Ops - there's a video floating around on YouTube which shows the first part of the game at least can be played without firing a shot, save for a couple of short tasks which are required as part of the story.

      There appears to be a significant market for games which are basically interactive stories, where you just go along with the flow as the story progresses around you, rather than taking charge of a lot of the plot through your own choices (Deus Ex would be an example of the latter). I don't like to criticize... much, but I feel it does mean that you'll have a generation of people who don't care for "complex" games and just want point & click shooters that don't require much thought. This, in turn, will lead to more mainstream dumbing down of games to cater for the masses.

      Maybe this is why games created by independent developers are enjoying a resurgence. People want the variety.

    5. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by darrylo · · Score: 1

      Think of it as like watching Lord of the Rings in 10 minute segments, every week.

      Funny thing is, with the exception of a quest or two, you could probably play Mass Effect 2 in that mode, although it probably would feel like watching LotR in 10 minute segments. You'd have to do it on a quest-by-quest basis, though, and each quest can take a variable amount of time (15-60+ min??). You have a "journal" that basically tells you what you have to do and where to do it, although not in the right order. Also, with the exception of one quest, I never had to write anything down.

    6. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by optimus2861 · · Score: 1

      Also, with the exception of one quest, I never had to write anything down.

      Let me guess: Liara's mission where she wants you to find out who one of the Shadow Broker's agents is? It makes you think it's a logic puzzle but it's really just a swerve, which I realized only after I flubbed it. I won't write any more lest I spoil it.

    7. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by darrylo · · Score: 1

      Yuppers, although it's probably spoiled now. :)

    8. Re:Lack of interesting storyline by darrylo · · Score: 1

      There appears to be a significant market for games which are basically interactive stories, where you just go along with the flow as the story progresses around you, rather than taking charge of a lot of the plot through your own choices (Deus Ex would be an example of the latter). I don't like to criticize... much, but I feel it does mean that you'll have a generation of people who don't care for "complex" games and just want point & click shooters that don't require much thought. This, in turn, will lead to more mainstream dumbing down of games to cater for the masses.

      Well, I think there are a couple of issues influencing this:

      • Older gaming population, which has less time for complex gaming. Once you get older and have kids, well, kids tend to suck the life out of life. :-) You may not have much time for complex gaming. Enjoyable RPGs tend to be rated "mature", which can make them difficult to play around younger children ("Daddy, why is this tattooed woman only wearing leather belts?"). Also, for teenaged children, it can be problematic playing games when they can't ("No, you can't play games until your grades get better!").
      • For whatever reason (and this may be only in my imagination), some (many???) younger people seem to have shorter attention spans. If it's not highly stimulating or in their face (e.g., texting), they seem to quickly lose interest.
  40. Why new games at all? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    The games I enjoy most have usually been out for years - the most gripping strategy games I've ever played are SMAC (or Civ), Settlers (II - IV) (when I want less complexity) AoE II. On the roleplaying and adventure side, very little beats rogue-likes for depth, except maybe the Exile/Avernum series and Myst games. The only space-fighting sim I've ever really liked is Escape Velocity.

  41. Old console games? by longtailedhermit · · Score: 1

    Games seem more fun when you're supposed to be doing something else, like working. Even mine sweeper and solitaire were fun at work.

    Other than that, if you want somnething good to play at home, try some classic console games: NES, SNES, .... Atari 2600 ..., Commodore, Amiga, Sega, etc. Emulators are OK, but they are more fun to play on the original hardware.

  42. Danabnormal is an Asshole by darknb · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This question is flat out insulting to gamers. First of all he doesn't even like very good games. Alice, Syberia, and Heavy Rain are terrible. Alice I will just link to a fantastic review here: http://www.oldmanmurray.com/longreviews/56.html
      Heavy Rain is about as much a game as those old interactive laser disc games... or Dragon's Lair. So I guess if you are looking for games find yourself an emulator for a Panasonic Laser Active, or pick up Dragon's Lair which is on a ton of different systems. Now all of these games also happen to have in common that their are 'Art Games'. So if you want to get into a bunch more of those you can check out Metacritic as they do fairly well there.

    However, the best course of action, if you really have your heart set on playing more games is to start developing better taste. Much as one can acquire better taste in wine, books, movies, and music, one can also acquire better taste in videogames. Videogames can be roughly divided into two types: Action / Strategy. Western developers are much more adept Strategy and Japanese developers are more adept at action.

    Japanese: Shmups (shoot-em-ups): Dodonpachi(vertical), Battle Garegga(vertical), R-type (horizontal)
    Run-N-Guns: Metal Slug 1,2,X
    Action: Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta, Devil May Cry
    Fighting: King of Fighters XI, Street Fighter 3 Third Strike, Blaze Blue

    Western: FPS(first-person-shooter): Half-Life 2, Gears of War 2(3rd), Halo 3
    RTS(real time strategy): Starcraft 2, Dawn of War 1
    Strategy: Civilization IV, Panzar General 2
    RPGS: Fallout 1,2, Diablo 2, Planescape: Torment

    Best of all these are all either freely or cheaply obtained at this point in time. THESE ARE THE TRUE ARTISTIC HEIGHTS OF GAMING and im sure others could list HUNDREDS more.

    1. Re:Danabnormal is an Asshole by unapersson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heavy Rain is about as much a game as those old interactive laser disc games... or Dragon's Lair.

      Are you sure you've actually played Heavy Rain as it doesn't sound like it. It's absolutely nothing like those old interactive laser disc games. Unless you want to claim the same about games like the original PC Alone in the Dark. If anything it's a successor to the point and click adventure games of old, but with a forking narrative and a bit of old school 3rd person horror thrown in.

    2. Re:Danabnormal is an Asshole by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I was getting through Syberia until I got to the room with the nerve gas. I just gave up. You start in the room, and then you have like 5 seconds until the gas kills you. A plain empty room with nothing but non-interactive, generic sci-fi wall adornments. And there's no way out. And you have limited lives and IIRC, you can't save either.

      Fuck that.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    3. Re:Danabnormal is an Asshole by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      You're the one coming across like an asshole. Games are shitty these days, and that's just a fact.

      --
      If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
    4. Re:Danabnormal is an Asshole by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

      Forking narrative? It's a mystery game with 20 endings where the killer is always the same guy!

      Fork that narrative!

  43. Lego-Style? by t0rb3n · · Score: 1

    Ever tried Minecraft? Works fine for me ^^

  44. No by cognoscentus · · Score: 1

    You've just graduated to the biggest, and most challenging game of all... 'Outside'. I burnt out my 'gaming mojo' at the tender age of 18, testing my own Tetris clone. Then I started university and discovered women, music, and clubbing. Never got very far with the first, and I don't do much of the last any more 16 years later, but I never got my mojo back - nor wanted it. So much more to life out there than games. Am I alone in this aversion amongst tech-heads? It feels like I'm surrounded by the geek stereotype where I work.

    1. Re:No by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Wanna trade workplaces? I'm surrounded by MBA-types who are into lots of partying.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  45. City Of Heroes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been there, felt exactly the way you described.
    And then I discovered City Of Heroes. Don't let visions of WoW scare you away from it, just because it too is a MMORPG. It is actually a lot of fun, with (generally) very friendly players.

  46. Keyword: indie by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Game studios have become corporations. Middle managers are the people who decide upon form of their games nowadays. They are run-of-the-mill, with little variation. Finding something new and refreshing from big studios is an exercise in futility. Just don't. Wait 5 years and nowadays' games that are fondly remembered then will be the ones worth playing.

    Meanwhile, load up Steam Shop and click the "Indie" tab. Not all of these games are worthwhile. But about half of them is. That's where real innovation is nowadays. Where new brave concepts are explored. Sure about half of these concepts is failed. But still, considering the prices, you're better off financially buying 3 Indie games (and enjoying one) than buying one blockbuster (and finding it boring).

    Look for games made in Russia. Some amazing artistic enterprises have been undertaken. Some extremely ambitious projects - very realistic flight simulators for example. Ignore flashy commercials for EA, Ubisoft, Activision. Go for the little-known stuff and you'll find where the good games are at.

    --
    45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    1. Re:Keyword: indie by tepples · · Score: 1

      Look for games made in Russia.

      You mean there are Russian video games other than Tetris?

    2. Re:Keyword: indie by daeley · · Score: 1

      You mean there are Russian video games other than Tetris?

      Sure! Tetris Plus *and* Tetris Plus 2! ;)

      --
      I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
    3. Re:Keyword: indie by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Some of more memorable games developed in Russia?

      the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series - do I need to say more?
      Black Shark - about the most advanced helicopter simulator game
      Il-2 Sturmovik - one of most advanced plane simulator games
      Blitzkrieg (and sequels) - some of better RTS games
      Pathologic - RPG with incredible dreary mood of epidemy-ridden town.
      The Void - more of a complex art experiment, with a lot of poetry than a game.
      Star Wolves - a nice RTS in space.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    4. Re:Keyword: indie by andrea.sartori · · Score: 1

      Metro 2033.

      --
      Mostly harmless.
    5. Re:Keyword: indie by andrea.sartori · · Score: 1

      Oops. Ukrainian. Sorry.

      --
      Mostly harmless.
    6. Re:Keyword: indie by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      You're missing a key one: World of Tanks. Hilarious fun, and 'free' (micro transactions).

    7. Re:Keyword: indie by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Never seen it so not listing. I listed only games I either played myself or heard my friends recommend.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
  47. Vot iss this "mojo" of vich u spik? by grikdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I turned 66 last Saturday, and I'm still addicted to small games from years ago. Any Zelda older than Minish Cap was fine with me, especially OoT, and I went on a Castlevania tear for while. My favorite is still Star Ocean: Blue Sphere, which requires a modicum of Japanese and a GBC. I confess to playing the Professor Layton series more than once -- lost mojo is an advantage here, because I don't remember the solutions to some of the harder puzzles from two years ago and have to work them out again the hard way. I'm not a fan of most of the Final Fantasy franchise, but still replay 1, 2, 9 and 12. FF13 was an excrutiating disappointment, but in the last chapter there are only three bosses -- the first is easy, the second is either beyond my frayed reflexes or requires more levelling up (a colossal bore at this stage). My current game of choice is GTA Chinatown Wars, which is kind of a mini-mayhem doodle machine (you don't have to follow the main story line), and sort of fun if you rinse out your abused sense of morals once in a while. I don't know about "good" games -- seems a bit subjective to me. But I have no doubt one of the big franchises will uncork a great game again sometime soon. We seem to be living in a magical moment in the development of the Arts -- like Toulouse Lautrec, or Van Gogh, when the great souls are among us, unnoticed by the mainstream.

    --
    ``Tension, apprehension & dissension have begun!'' - Duffy Wyg&, in Alfred Bester's _The Demolished Man_
    1. Re:Vot iss this "mojo" of vich u spik? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      66 and playing FF? Dear god, man, I gave FF up as a waste of my valuable days left on this earth when I was 26 (and that was over a decade ago). Pick and choose... currently I am into maximizing plot and minimizing aimless wandering...

    2. Re:Vot iss this "mojo" of vich u spik? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      My current game of choice is GTA Chinatown Wars, which is kind of a mini-mayhem doodle machine

      "Mini mayhem doodle machine" XD haha yep that's the game summed up in 4 words.

      I should go back and finish Chinatown Wars. I think the lack of a real main storyline kind of burned me out of keeping track of all the little sub-storylines. Kind of the same problem I had with GTA:SA, the game had storyline ADD and I lost motivation.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    3. Re:Vot iss this "mojo" of vich u spik? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *salute*

      Awesome.. I'm rather looking forward to my retirement now. The latest console and a raging junk habit.

  48. Non-Mainstream Games by Imperpetual · · Score: 1

    From reading your question you seem to be in one of the same ruts that I was in previously with games. Personally I have found tons of great games on Steam lately from non-mainstream publishers. Also as I have gotten older it has become harder for me to appreciate mediocre games and instead I look for games that don't stick to the norms.

    Some great examples that I can think of off the top of my head are as follows, and broken down by category:

    Unless otherwise stated, these games are all available on Steam.

    Strategy:
    Braid
    Machinarium
    Worms Reloaded
    Zen Bound 2

    Adventure:
    Darksiders
    Lost Planet 1 and 2

    Action:
    Deus Ex: Human Revolution (Comes out Feb 2011)
    Beat Hazard
    Brink
    Killing Floor
    Smashball (Free!)
    Trine
    VVVVVV
    League of Legends (www.leagueoflegends.com)

    RPG:
    Torchight
    Freedom Force
    Dragon Age Origins
    Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2
    The Witcher 2: Assassins and Kings
    DeathSpark
    The Ball
    Shank

    Misc:
    Garry's Mod

    I hope this list helps you find some games that you can enjoy. Most all of them are more of a casual style that way you don't have to sit down to play it all at once, though you may be inclined to.

    1. Re:Non-Mainstream Games by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Machinarium was puzzle, not strategy.
      Worms is shoot-em-up, not strategy. (yeah, Steam have it as strategy. Steam is often full of shite)
      Braid is a puzzle-platformer (copy-pasted that description from Steam)
      Zen Bound 2 is a puzzle game. However, I hadn't spotted it before, and the screenshots are really appealing to me.

      A couple of your RPGs are action-RPGs - Torchlight is less RPG than Angband, and sadly less durable too.

      Casual games can be fun, and indie games often have gameplay or aesthetics that go way beyond the multi-million dollar industrial productions, but puzzle games are not strategy games.

  49. Tap the main vein.... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    Install yourself a copy of World of Warcrack and welcome to my opium den.

    1. Re:Tap the main vein.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Install yourself a copy of World of Warcrack and welcome to my opium den.

      Civilization is the opium of gaming.

      WoW is more like a second job. You'll have a second group of people who get pissed off and penalize you if you don't show up.

  50. Maybe you should do it the right way... by Janvitos · · Score: 1

    And wait for a title worthy of your tastes.

    I'm 27 and share the same opinion.

    Most of my friends enjoy every single title they play on Xbox, PC or PS3. Every single blockbuster game that comes out, they buy it. A war game ? They dig it. I almost believe at times that there's something wrong with me for not enjoying most of these games. After all, IGN, Gamespot and Metacritic all give these games 8+ scores.

    Well, I've never been a believer and never will be. I'm the kind of person who likes to experiment and judge after.

    You see, I think overall, speculation has done the same thing to the gaming industry that it did to the economy. An 8 for a game today is most probably closer to a 6. A 10 is probably an 8 and a 12 simply doesn't exist. Inflation, anyone ? My other thought on this is also the fact that if you give a game a high rating, most people will buy it. Even if they don't like it, they will most probably say it was good because after spending some $60+ on something, nobody really wants to be ashamed of their purchase and admit they flushed $60 down the toilet. This is pure marketing people.

    Now, keeping aside the business side of things, I think great games are still cooking and emerging. I think the reason why we feel there are less great titles being made is simply because there are more crappy games coming out than ever. The real problem lies within production. Following our economy's simple rules, any game that is bound to success will eventually fail into mass production. This process immediately kills any possible technological or intellectual breaktrhough since all resources are focused on production. It's a simple rule of thumb.

    So if you want my opinion, be patient and wait for a good title. I don't think there's any gamer mojo involved, we simply need to wait for some great idea to be programmed into a game.

    Heck, why not do it ourselves ?

  51. Civilization by eXlin · · Score: 1

    Try civilization (IV is prob better than V and you can buy that by 10€), or some another turn-based strategy game. Other game witch addicted me is minecraft. I would encourage you to give a try for either one of them or both.

    1. Re:Civilization by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      Civ 4 only really shines once you get the Beyond The Sword expansion. It still could use a little polish, but that one fixed most of the major bugs and performance problems with the original release and the first two expansions.

  52. Play old(er) games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what I do. There's almost nothing in the current game era that interests me but I don't really care since there's enough older material to keep me interested for longer than I'll probably find time for. If you're a graphics whore, it might be a problem though, but if you're not, then certainly go check some older stuff. There are classics in many genres.

  53. Plants vs zombies by dokebi · · Score: 1

    I really got hooked on plants vs zombies recently. It's fun and challenging, with excellent graphics and one of the best game music ever written. It's replayability is also very high. It's only $20, downloadable, with five activations. Excellent deal.

    --
    In Soviet Russia, articles before post read *you*!
    1. Re:Plants vs zombies by splutty · · Score: 1

      And also works on your iPhone/iTouch :)

      But yeah. I downloaded PvZ for something like 10 euros on offer, and played it for 2 evenings straight (intermittent work sucks), which saved me more than 10 euros which I'd normally spend on having a beer and dinner at the local pub.

      So well worth it!

      --
      Coz eternity my friend, is a long *ing time.
    2. Re:Plants vs zombies by JCZwart · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's a good example of a relatively simple game still offering a lot of fun, but really, when you've finished everything, grown your yard and wisdom tree to enormous sizes, got all achievements, and can't seem to finish 'Survival endless' because you found (on the interwebs - yes, I'm a cheapskate) a strategy that still works when you're at round 99, the fun starts to dissipate somewhat - and so does the replayability, because why go back to do this all again...

  54. Recommendations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phoenix Wright (Nintendo DS Adventure)
    Team Fortress 2 (PC FPS)
    Mass Effect (Multi WRPG)

  55. don't stick to just 0 day releases. by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    try some "old" games you haven't yet finished. the lifespan of a game decides how timeless it really is.

    in terms of gameplay, the games haven't really gone much further at all in the past decade, and graphics on artistic/functional level have stayed the same as well.

    vampire the masquerade: bloodlines, morrowind, deus ex, X(and sequels) and so on, many of them have texture packs and mods available to make it a bit more fresh and also you can play them at high resolutions with antialiasing, modern look with many game studios is to just blur everything with fake focal blur(makes everything look like a cheap sitcom and not a movie.. if you catch my drift). you could even try ascending in nethack.

    of course, you could look into making your own and replaying some old and new games with that in mind, you might be amazed with how little original thought or actual content variety some games that ship on two dvd's have. I've been playing mass effect 1 and 2 lately, they suck in many, many aspects(gameplay is VERY repetitive, controls were made worse in 2 etc etc), it's a bit boring when you can guess beforehand where/when enemies will be spawned(just noticing that they're spawned in waves to make it easier on the engine sucks enough, also there's no adventure in m.e, despite having a galaxy to explore, but whats the fun when the galaxy is smaller than your hometown.. and what fun is flying a space ship when it's just a menu. gameplaywise some bbs door games had as much galaxy exploring).

    --
    world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  56. Truly great games are rare... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but there are plenty to keep you busy. My top faves are in no particular order

    * SMAC (Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri). I never played any of the other Civ games, but this one hooked me. High re-playability, excellent plot, challenging. May be hard to find this days. I hear the newest Civ is also amazing, but haven't played it.
    * Oblivion (as well as expansions). This game is truly deep and rich. Great voice acting, good plot, many concurrent plots, and a huge world to explore. If you have not played it, it is pretty cheap now, and highly recommended.
    * Knights of the Old Republic. A great Star Wars based RPG based on D&D mechanics. Great story with sort of a "Choose your own adventure" progression. Also available cheap, also highly recommended.
    * Pikmin. I purchased my GC solely to lay this game.
    * Katamari Damacy. PS2. I didn't enjoy the sequels as much, but I seem to be in the minority. Ridiculous, Fun, especially with a group of people.
    * Super Mario Sunshine. The very best Super Mario game to date IMO. Silly. Warm welcoming scenery. Challenging and fairly expansive.
    * Minecraft is an interesting experiment. Definitely a way to spend a few hours. Also cheep.
    * Lego Starwars. Surprisingly enjoyable.
    * Exile II: Crystal Souls. A shareware game from the 80s. I did not particularly like the others in the series, but this one was magic.

    or...

    * Nethack. "You're really going to have to play it for a year or two and see for yourself.". Ridiculously complex, savage, brutal, nearly impossible, endlessly clever. It can be damn frustrating and exhilarating.

    In truth, I tend to buy games after they have been out for a while. I also tend to look at Penny Arcade for suggestions; they tend to be brutally honest.

    1. Re:Truly great games are rare... by unity100 · · Score: 1

      Oblivion (as well as expansions). This game is truly deep and rich. Great voice acting, good plot, many concurrent plots, and a huge world to explore. If you have not played it, it is pretty cheap now, and highly recommended.

      only if you accept having monster spawns just 50 meters out of the castle walls, and villages consisting of 4 houses in a game that sports a continual wide map realistic.

  57. Got older, innit by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

    It's just what happens when you grow up - Lego and Scalectrix just aren't as interesting any more either.

    Years ago I had more spare time and was able to do things like get all the cheats on Goldeneye for the N64. These days I wouldn't have the time or the patience to do something like that. I hold no illusions about the past though as the games I play these days are far and away better than the games I used to play.

    --
    I put my books on Amazon, Smashwords, Demonoid, ISOHunt and Pirate Bay. Search for 'Michael Cargill'
  58. Fear not. A Cataclysm will soon save you... by BenJCarter · · Score: 1

    ...and you will love video games again. BTW, these are not the droids you are looking for...
    (Despite the snark, I am still looking forward to Cata.)

    --
    For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. - Publius
  59. The Void by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try this if you dont mind bad graphics over good game play. Not for people with weak wills, and lack of patience.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Void_%28video_game%29

  60. If you liked American McGee's Alice... by Bobakitoo · · Score: 0

    There is a sequel in production.

  61. Adam, the Swede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have changed my gaming habits quite drastically the last two years.
    I've always been a PC-RPG player, having loved Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, NWN and such.
    Last one I played through on a PC was (the great) Dragon Age.

    But theese days I never take the time to sit down and play the 5-8 hours I usually did,
    I rather download a $5-10 RPG on my iPod touch and play through and hour here and an hour there.
    I love titles there like Zenonia 1&2, Inotia, Seed and for sure an hour or two of Angry Birds or Plants vs. Zombies might work for ya.

  62. Indie Games by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 1

    I've been PC gaming for about 20 years, with a serious addiction for about 16 years (we all need a hobby). My life is much busier now with a wife, 6 kids, a dog, and several thousand servers to look after. I've canceled all the MMORPG subscriptions, what a money pit! Eve Online was the last hold out because I could still balance work/life/gaming. The best thing that has happened to my gaming experience since has been Valve's Steam. Collecting achievements gives you stuff to work toward. What has been most fun is accessing some of the many indie and smaller distributor titles available through Steam. They have multiple deals a week, and special deals around Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc. Occasionally you can pick up multi-packs in the $5-$10 range. Buy a bunch in advance so when you get bored you have something new to try out. So far my collection is about 117 games, but I only keep 20-30 installed at a time.

    A few fun suggestions:
    - Tank Universal (Tron tanks, done right!)
    - Galcon Fusion (try it in retro mode)
    - Defense Grid (tower defense, done right)
    - Altitude (multiplayer side scrolling air combat)
    - Garry's Mod (awkward moments with co-workers)
    - X3 (default is lame, add mods and it becomes fun)
    - Multiwinia

  63. Europa Universalis 3 by egladil · · Score: 1

    This can be pretty challanging even in single player if you play as a one of the more difficult countries. I would however recommend starting out with one of the easier countries as the learning curve can be a bit steep. There's quite a few concepts to keep track of in the game and if you're unlucky you'll end up as a one province vassal to France or something the like. Once you get the hold of it you can start setting your goals higher and higher. Or just do crazy things like playing as Ming and explore your way to Euroupe with the goal of converting all the members of the Holy Roman Empire to confucianism :)
    And it gets even better in multiplayer with a few friends, provided you can get them all together for a few hours of play each night.

    Also, as someone posted above: EVE online.

    1. Re:Europa Universalis 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      <3 EU3. Really looking forward to the next expansion, Divine Wind. I wish they'd backport a lot of the bugfixes to EU3:HTTT, but being a sucker for Paradox games I'll buy it anyways.

  64. Disliking Twilight doesnt mean you hate Movies by primerib · · Score: 1

    Personally, my big mistake was treating gaming differently than my other recreational activities. I don't like Top 40s stations, sitcoms, Twilight or Harry Potter, and yet I never once considered the notion that I'd outgrown Music, TV, Movies and Books; but somehow because I wasn't getting into the new Call of Duty, Guitar Hero and Left4Dead, I was starting to think that maybe gaming wasn't my thing anymore.

    What I did to restore my enjoyment of gaming was that I stopped listening to paid-off over-hyped reviews, stopped buying games at release, and started looking towards indie developers first and foremost for my gaming needs. Sure, I'm not a "hardcore gamer" because I play things like Dominions 3 and Dwarf Fortress, and you won't see me talking Black Ops with the bros at parties; but I actually enjoy the time I spend gaming now because I found what I liked to play, sales numbers and media hype be damned.

    There's nothing wrong with having tastes outside the mainstream. Play what's fun for you, not what's fun for other gamers.

  65. Ju Jitsu by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    It's a great game, and once you get past being a white belt the tactical aspects really come into a roll. You might look at it and think that there isn't much to it but it's actually very strategic and many times you have to use subterfuge to achieve your goal. For example I get the mount and I set things up so it looks like I'm going for a choke but I've made a mistake and slipped my arm under my opponents arm, as soon as he tries to bridge and escape *blam* I spin and put an arm bar on..tap..tap..tap.

    As much as I love playing computer games (I'm still hooked on Empire at War, I just got Starcraft 2 and Force Unleashed II is my next acquisition) I must admit that I am really hooked on Ju Jitsu as a game. The best way I can describe it is physical chess, plus I stripped almost 15kg of fat off (my tummy is almost ripped!), sleep is so deep and there are other benefits. It's not for everyone and the training is hard but I end up playing computer games when I'm recovering from injury. Plus, I think the thinking skills in computer games translate really well to transitioning a new move in Ju Jitsu once you are physically capable of using them in your game.

    I find I'm more selective about how I spend my time and a game has to be *really* good to get my attention. Sadly most games simply aren't worth the effort, but it's ok because everything balances out with the time I have available for games. Beside I just don't think I can sit still for that long any more, but the best time for games is when I have a bunch of friends around - that's when computer games are awesome - but still not as good as Ju Jitsu.

    --
    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  66. sadly by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 1

    sadly the gaming world is in the grip of FPSwhores right now, not many games made in other genres unless you wanna go play WOW all day.

    i personally play an adult game wrapped in a kid like candy shell.

    minecraft

    think legos but you have to get the blocks yourself while trying to not get killed every 20 minutes when the sun goes down.

  67. iRacing by _Shorty-dammit · · Score: 1

    Ever since a buddy of mine gave me his old Logitech Momo force feedback wheel and a 3-month subscription to iRacing last xmas it is the ONLY thing I play now. The most real racing simulator there is, and I can't get enough of it. Every single other game I have has not been loaded even once since, literally. I'm beyond addicted to it now, hehe.

  68. StarWars:TFU a nightmare by AwaxSlashdot · · Score: 1

    "fantastic gameplay" : err, it seems we didn't play the same game.
    The license and the physic engine are indeed marvelous. But the camera system is a nightmare : it is alway pointing to the wrong direction and jedis are now ridiculously powerful, like some cheap manga when a single guy is able to break a whole planet.

    The sequel (SW:TFU2) is worse because you can finish it in less than 6 hours (for 70$).

    I would personally have talked about :

    * RED DEAD REDEMPTION : GTA for grown up. The same as GTA but no more gangsta storyline but a good-old-west lonesome cowboy story.
    * Assassin's Creed 2 : a strong story, a beautiful execution and a great gameplay

    --
    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)
  69. Quake 3 by ZirconCode · · Score: 1

    Quake Live or Quake DeFRaG

  70. Minecraft by Elegor · · Score: 1

    My gaming days go back to the Atari console, but for years now I've spent more time reading about games than actually playing them. Minecraft grabbed my attention recently, however, and I've played it more than any other game in the last decade. The appeal lies in its open-ended nature (it's the first game to bring back the feeling I had whilst playing Elite as a teenager) and in the beauty of the landscapes it can create. It also scratches the same itch that Lego does, by giving you a few basic blocks with which to build whatever your imagination can conjure up (castles in the air quite often). It's only in alpha now, but multiplayer support is beginning to take real shape and every update brings new goodies.

  71. Also waiting... by mrmiller310 · · Score: 1

    Took the words right out of my mouth, in game preference and in "mojo" as you called it. My advice: play the classics you missed! they're classics for a reason Try Gangsters. Steep learning curve but so so worth it.

  72. I find myself in the same predicament ... by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... being in my late thirties and having been gaming since I was 15.

    As far as I can tell, it's a mix of:

    • The "I've seen it all" syndrome: lots of modern games are just rehashes of old formulas and some are even clones of old games (for example the highly hyped "Supreme Commander" was pretty much a clone of "Total Annihilation" from 10 years before). There's no fun or challenge in beating that which you beat already.
    • Exceptionally well trained gaming skills: my reaction times are slower than an 18 year old gamer but still superior to those of a non-gamer, I can quickly figure out any game - in fact sometimes I figure out a game by thinking "how would I set it up if I was designing this game" and games are designed to appeal to gamers of average experience and intelligence so most games are just too easy for me. Most games have a pattern to them and there is usually a "method" to beat those: once I figure out the "method", the game stops being fun.
    • A lot of modern games are not-casual friendly: if I can't sit down with a game for just 1 or 2 hours and get some enjoyment out of it, then it won't fit my schedule. This means a smaller selection of games that can be fun for me given my time constraints
    • Games are still designed to be played by teenager males: these are people who have lots of time and a high-tolerance to "Having to work for your fun". This means that all sorts of cheap tricks are employed when designing games to make them "last longer", mostly boiling down to grind-type activities. Games are made too long for the time available to working adults, have a bad fun-stuff to filler ratio and (in RPGs) have too long intervals between "rewards"

    Because I actually like RPGs and like to explore "a large world" in games, at the moment I am providing for my gaming needs with MMORPGs, since they have huge amounts of content and a reasonable price. I stick with the no-grind-required ones, explore the content until I get bored and then move to another one. They tend to be fun even in just 1 or 2 hour sessions and are in fact great value for money.
    At the moment it's WoW (huge world, nowhere as grindy now as 4 years ago, new expansion coming next month) and before that it was Lord of the Rings Online (now free to play, beautifull world, lots of story, adult mature players, highly recomended).

    1. Re:I find myself in the same predicament ... by Garwulf · · Score: 1

      You're not the only one - I started computer gaming back around 1990, and today when I have spare time, the only games I play on a regular basis are Legend of the Red Dragon (a BBS door game now online) and Urban Dead (a simple browser zombie MMO) - and that's how I start my day. With five minutes playing those games. Otherwise, my time and money go towards books and movies. I stopped being an avid PC gamer about seven years ago. For me it was a couple of things:

      1. PC games went through a period of wild creativity from 1991-2002 - I call it the "golden age." Once that ended, though, games were big business with budgets approaching motion pictures, and they had become very conservative and more dedicated to formula. I'd already stormed the beaches of Normandy with Medal of Honor: Allied Assault...I didn't really feel like repeating the exercise with prettier graphics and better sound.

      2. Piracy played a big role in thinning out the "herd" of PC games. I know there are people who want to deny this and claim that it's just unsuccessful companies not being willing to change their business model, but piracy became a lot easier once high speed internet and larger hard drive space made it possible to download entire CD games. And the game companies did adapt as the piracy rates skyrocketed - most moved their efforts to the console, and those who didn't started a DRM arms race. So, console games today are wide and varied, and there is quite a lot to be excited about...and I just don't have the time and money for them, or the interest in going through the learning curve (I prefer a mouse and keyboard). The PC game is very thinned out, with very little to be excited about (unless you're a fan of MMOs) and has a nice big arms race with pirates that just doesn't sit well.

      So, I certainly think the biggest problem is that the PC game is not what it used to be. Partly it's a victim of its own success, and partly it's a victim of the pirates. PC gaming isn't dead - there are sections of it, such as the MMO, that are alive and well and growing, but the wild creativity that made it so exciting ten years ago is gone, and unlikely to return. Whether we want to admit it or not, the PC game is now the niche of video gaming, rather than the mainstay.

      --
      Robert B. Marks
      Author, Demonsbane in Diablo Archive
    2. Re:I find myself in the same predicament ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed one:
      -"Mature" just doesn't seem that mature anymore. Suddenly, killing hookers and blowing people up doesn't seem so mature.

      Personally, I've been spending the vast majority of my gaming time playing the Wii and playing Trackmania. The lack of good titles doesn't annoy me on the Wii. I just now picked up Other M so I guess they're putting out games fast enough. And Trackmania is basically an updated Stunts/4D Sports Driving that I can download for free and play online against other people (time trials since cars can't collide with each other but you can still see them).

  73. Good Old Games by owlman17 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's probably not so much that you've lost your "mojo" as your preferences have changed over the years. Also, you probably have less time to kill now than when you were younger.

    You didn't specify how old you were when you were at your peak, but I'm guessing you were a heavy gamer in the late 90s or early 00s. You'll find a ton of games from that era from Good Old Games that ought to keep you busy for a while. There are lots of games there that I couldn't afford and/or my machine couldn't run decently back then. You could also try free retro-clones of your old favorites.

    I agree with the other posters that you ought to try your hand at writing your own games, maybe surprise yourself in the process.

    1. Re:Good Old Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second GOG. I also have much less time and money to spend on games these days (kids are darned expensive!), and GOG lets me play some classics that I missed (Fallout 1 & 2, Beyond Good and Evil) on the cheap.

      Also, I raise my glass to the elder gents who are still gaming. I hope I'm still gaming strong when I get to be your age too!

  74. Assasins Creed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its good fun, its playable on spare times and its gorgeous. :)

    Besides that I play League of Legends online from time to time, I invest on Minecraft and from time to time I go back to MAME. :)

  75. family games vs pc games by idigitallDotCom · · Score: 1

    I'm finding that as I grow older, I need to find more family games, which can be played in your living room with your family -- if you're not too dorky to have one -- or just your partner. Being a full-time software engineer by day, student of computer science by night, the free time I have with wife and kid demands that I not be in front of a pc and instead in the lounge/bedroom. And obv, automatically the platform changes, and if you're going to play with your wife and kids, then the type of game changes too.

    My wife has taken a fancy to God Of War, Tekken, but she doesn't much like Tomb Raider. So my choice in games has evolved to family games, or at least games that we both like. Also, to games that can be played while entertaining family/couple friends.

    --
    blog.idigitall.com
  76. indie games by monkyyy · · Score: 0

    id go with indie games mainly as i still find a ton to play that are good and im a 17 yearold who has ton of time,
    btw do u have time for minecraft?

    --
    warning pointless sig
  77. VVVVVV by wildstoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    VVVVVV is one of the best and most challenging Indie games I've played in quite some time. It's a platformer/puzzle game with an absolutely fantastic chiptune soundtrack and striking C64-style visuals (some objects in the game are inspired by classic C64 games and demos).

    Caveat: It can be very difficult... but if you're anything like me it'll sink its teeth into you and demand that you complete it.

    Doing Things The Hard Way is an absolute fscker tho. :P

  78. Lack of Real Depth by Plekto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's really missing from the games is depth. Part of this is because the more they try to out-do each other with fancy effects and eye-candy, the more it appears to be like a loud commercial rather than a nicely done presentation. But beyond that, games are now churned out like Hollywood does - all scripted, simplified, and by the numbers.

    For instance, they take time to explain *everything* in such horrendous detail and have trainers and all sorts of idiot-hand-holding. Compare this to Baldur's Gate. You knew nothing, you had to learn it as you went, and there was a real sense of a story, precisely because they didn't tell you everything that was happening. Deus Ex? didn't tell you much of anything. Diablo didn't either. In fact, the "great" games were designed to be a good game first and never worried about trophies or making it so that some addle-headed eight year old could get 100% on it on their XBOX or PS3. They were "hard" because you had to think. And they didn't have guides and books available before the game itself came out, either.

    Now, compare that to Mass Effect 2. I liked the game, but it was so much more simplified than it had to be. Even the Citadel level was a coupe of barely larger than room-sized areas and was designed so that even a moron couldn't get lost. Everything was possible to obtain as well as complete. Compared to the first game, it was a massive let-down. You never could get off-track with your missions. You never could get lost in a city. You never ran out of ammo. I mean, with that much space on the DVD, they actually *shrunk* the square footage of almost every level in the game.

    Depth. Hardly any. Replay-ability? Nearly zero. It doesn't feel like we're entering a world so much as watching a made for TV movie. And, it's everything now. Assassin's Creed? I've played games from the 80s with more depth to the character interactions. Shoot, they couldn't even randomize the dialogs for the city missions. Just the same 4 or 5 canned scenarios. Would it have really killed them to spend another 5-10 hours to bring that up to 20 or 30 so we feel like it's a realistic mission? And, this gets worse as you get older. Eventually you want something that isn't mature because it has lots of sex and violence in it, but because it respects your intelligence enough to not treat you like a child while playing it.

    From rubber-band AI to canned dialog to overblown effects and "trophies" for the most useless and inane things possible, it's no wonder people are so nostalgic for the days when gaming meant more than sitting through an 8 hour interactive movie on their screen.

  79. X-Wing and Tie Fighter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just want the X-Wing and Tie Fighter franchise back. Nothing like it since! Lucasarts, are you listening?

    1. Re:X-Wing and Tie Fighter by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I was in my local computer hardware retailer, browsing their new display areas, and got to put my hand on a Saitek X52 - a lovely, lovely controller. The X36 I have is like a stiff branch in comparison. This thing was as smooth as silk, even in the centre zone which is so critical for precision long distance shooting in the X-Wing games. It has the simple, intuitive, twist-the-stick rudder arrangement I loved in my MS Sidewinder 3D, but it still has the ludicrous proliferation of hats and switches that make the Saitek line great.

      I was sorely tempted to buy it right there and then. Then I just walked away feeling a little sad. Because I've not got anything I really want to play on it, because I've played them all to death. Or they aren't very compatible with the OS I have installed.

      What is it? Is it just that space combat sims aren't challenging enough for modern GPUs because they don't have enough polygons in them (all that empty space...) ? Or that they probably still don't work so well as internet games because they have more degrees of freedom than FPS games and it's thus harder to compensate for the lag? Or just that the market is too small, because everyone has a mouse, but not everyone has a joystick?

      *Browses*
      Damn, the "real" flight-sim controller market seems to be thriving though ; instrument panels, radio panels, ludicrously authentic force-sensing jet fighter control sticks, flight yokes.

  80. Crysis 1 & Crysis Warhead by z3nwizard · · Score: 1

    I remember playing the Demo of Crysis and my gaming machine couldn't handle it at all back in 2007. Now that it's 2010 I purchased the game and still my machine can not handle the highest settings but I found the game one of the best first person shooters I've played in a long time.. It even beat F.E.A.R 1 & 2 when it came to the graphics & special effects. Interesting plot, if you crawl or walk with your gunsite up then the invisibility enables lots of stealth play or if you prefer you can just level everything (even cut down trees, houses) I still think that if you could play Crysis on all the highest settings it would beat any FPS that's been released this year and a few years back.. I can play everything at medium without much issue so it's not that bad. Currently playing the second one Crysis Warhead and not bad so far.

    1. Re:Crysis 1 & Crysis Warhead by Warma · · Score: 1

      I've heard rumors of people like you who equate graphical quality with actual merits, but couldn't find them in real life. However, there you are.

      I'm willing to admit that Crysis was fun when you weren't fighting aliens, but the plot damn sure wasn't interesting. Also, like in Far Cry, once the extraordinary elements like mutants and aliens step in, the game just turns into shit. I don't even get it. The game didn't need aliens and Far Cry didn't need mutants. All they did was deviate from the fun of actually waging non-railroaded war in a jungle. Even this no longer feels special, as games like Battlefield Bad Company 2 allow you to do the same with your friends against other humans.

    2. Re:Crysis 1 & Crysis Warhead by z3nwizard · · Score: 1

      I think it was the added additions of the suite, I like stealth games and if you were good at it you could even complete most the map without killing anyone. I just liked that challenge, Stealth is missing in a lot of games. The Aliens was very odd, but then again I expected the game to end at the Alien Mothership front door which later turned out to be no where near the end. Metal Gear Solid on the other hand is another people either love or hate, I thought the way they did it all movie style was incredible but still not played the latest. The First Hitman & the other game with Sam Fisher were also very cool stealth games. For atmosphere Crysis certainly did a lot with the graphics though rather then be the run of the mill shooter.

    3. Re:Crysis 1 & Crysis Warhead by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      My PC can play Crysis with the settings maxed out (built in early 2009 with high-end parts), and while it's a good game, some recent shooters I would recommend over Crysis include:

      The HL2 series
      Prey (also very good looking)
      Stalker: SoC (more of an FPS/RPG hybrid)

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    4. Re:Crysis 1 & Crysis Warhead by z3nwizard · · Score: 1

      HL2 Series are sure one of my all time Favourites. Not tried the other two but will add them to my list. The new Crysis will probably set this old box on fire.. Hopefully will have upgraded by the time that one is out. I would move to PS3 but I'm still waiting for full (not glitchy) mouse & keyboard support, it's the only drawback with an FPS. Thanks.

  81. Manufactoria by paul248 · · Score: 1

    Manufactoria - http://pleasingfungus.com/

    Best programming-related Flash game ever.

  82. Reduction by caubert · · Score: 1

    The older you get more FarmVille you'll play

  83. You are becoming older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And so is your taste changing, gone are the days of endless reaction twitchfests, you now want more story, maybe you should go more for adventure games.

  84. some excellent ones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Favourites of mine that are all amazing:

    Mass Effect 1 & 2
    The Longest Journey + Dreamfall
    Good & Evil

  85. You want Quiche by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Heavy Rain is the last game that gripped me,... . I'm tired of the GTA formulas, bored of CoDs and don't have the reaction time to think on my feet for AOE III. Is it about time I tossed in the controller and resigned myself to the fact that the games I want only come out once in a blue moon?

    I think you need to resign yourself to the fact that you're not so much a gamer, as you are simply a viewer. It's clear from your preferences that you prefer a far more passive medium than that which video games provide.

    Now, I'm not much of a fast reaction time player either. I prefer to take my time and plan out my strategies. But a key element of any video game is the challenge and rising to meet it. Only through this can real player satisfaction be gained. Viewer satisfaction on the other hand can be provided by a fairly linear quasi-interactive experience.

    For you, I would recommend a game like Uncharted 2. I recommend it to you for the exact reasons I didn't like it. It's a "gripping interactive experience", but an awful pudding of a game, which I think is really what you're looking for.

    --
    May the Maths Be with you!
    1. Re:You want Quiche by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

      Just what I was thinking.

      I don't want to sound like a troll, but in my opinion enjoying Heavy Rain is a huge sign that you don't actually like games.

      gog.com is a good source for old games at a very reasonable price with no DRM. Plenty of stuff in the adventure genre that you may have missed over the years.

    2. Re:You want Quiche by microTodd · · Score: 1

      you're not so much a gamer, as you are simply a viewer

      Excellent point, let me build on it. I've found that a lot of times, I'm simply too tired to really enjoy a game because I want something passive, not that requires active brain thought.

      What worked for me, and the submitter might try, is finding movies/anime that are "videogamish" in look and feel and simply enjoying watching those. When I'm in this mood I watch the Ghost in the Shell series on Netflix (there are 2 seasons' worth of episodes.)

      --
      "You cannot find out which view is the right one by science in the ordinary sense." - C.S. Lewis on Intelligent Design
    3. Re:You want Quiche by mr_gorkajuice · · Score: 1

      in my opinion enjoying Heavy Rain is a huge sign that you don't actually like games.

      A bit harsh I'd say. I too enjoyed Heavy Rain, but I also enjoy StarCraft 2 league matches.
      But indeed, if Heavy Rain is the best example of what you desire from a game, you should definitely stick to the path of big budget titles with hours of dialogs, well scripted story lines... BioWare comes to mind. Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age. Provided you're not being put off by sci-fi/fantasy settings.
      Forget about the indie scene of Steam. It's cool, but it's generally for people who enjoy the gaming aspect of games, not the interactive-story aspect of interactive stories.

    4. Re:You want Quiche by m50d · · Score: 1

      As with many things, in Japan there's a bit more of a continuum. You and the submitter might want to look at the "visual novel" genre, a kind of barely-interactive gaming that reminds me of nothing so much as "choose your own adventure" novels. But it can be a great storytelling medium, and the interactivity is often at the right level. I'd particularly push Phantom of Inferno and Ever17: The out of Infinity, though both are pretty hard to track down legitimate English copies of these days.

      --
      I am trolling
  86. LittleBigPlanet -- 3 million levels and counting by jeffcox65 · · Score: 1

    I've 45 and the game that I keep coming back to is LittleBigPlanet.

    The game designers ingeniously included a level editor that is unlocked when you finish the game. They encourage you to build and publish your own levels and reward you for participating in the community. This has resulted in a rich online community of players and level builders so there's ALWAYS new content. The last time I turned it on, there were 3.3 MILLION user-published levels. 14,000 new levels had been published since the last time I played a few days earlier.

    Are all of the levels great? Of course not. But there's a sophisticated rating system that makes it easy to find levels you will enjoy and level builders whose work you appreciate.

    What I admire most about LBP is that in addition to creating a fun and compelling game, the game designers created an environment in which players can create their own games. The creativity out there is astounding and they made a game where players can make whatever they want and publish, get feedback, and refine.

    Don't like what you find? Think you can do better? Fire up the editor and try your hand at it. Publish and get instant feedback and try again. I find it brings a whole new level of admiration and appreciation of my fellow gamers.

    --
    Curb your dogma.
  87. Good games just to have a good time by adokink · · Score: 0

    The last game I really enjoyed, had no plot, storyline, cinematics or any of those things, just a bunch of zombies walking towards my house. Plants vs. zombies its simple, fun and well done. It has a good learning curve and funny parts. I know, it just does not look for grown up players, but, damn, I had a hell of a time. And it has no bugs.

  88. GameInformer Magazine by CNTOAGN · · Score: 1
    I subscribe to the Game Informer magazine (http://gameinformer.com/) and the number of titles that are being produced is staggering. I like all genre's of games from Plants vs Zombies to Bioshock to LotR online and find each different style of game to have unique advantages. MMORPs offer a social aspect, while an intense FPS immerses you in storyline more completely, while the simple logic and strategy involved in some games keeps the mind fresh.

    My own personal favorites include Batman: Arkum Asylum - the story line and game play is first rate. BioShock, another very immersing FPS. Bioshock II was "give me some more of that" and also highly recommended (if you enjoy sometimes being kind of terrified). LotR online and D&D online are both free to play (so you can jump on for a couple days every 6 months and not feel like you are being screwed by the man because you payed 6 months subscription). World of goo is very nice as is Plants vs Zombies and even kingdom for keflings is a hoot for a builder game.

    Now to the question of whether you have lost your mojo... it is easy to see the game for the math that it is - a simple counter (if I click in the right place enough times, "I win" - whatever that means in a virtual game). Once you understand a game, sometimes the senselessness can make even the idea of the playing seem rather like a waste of time and so you project that feeling onto other games thinking you have been there, done that. But it's not true. Batman is completely different from any other game I've played - and completely changed what I thought was possible. With the new input devices (I'm thinking kinect here) and new display capabilities (3-D is pretty wicked on games that program for it), I think there are games coming out that will make even that pale in comparison.

  89. Try this by ledow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get a huge hard disk. Enormous. 1.5Tb or something only costs as much as a game or two now.

    Dig out all the old CD's of games that you used to play, buy them off Gog.com or Steam if you don't have them any more. Read all the iso's onto the disk and / or install the Steam/GOG games onto there.

    Remember all the games / systems that you've ever played. Find emulators for them all.

    Have everything set up so that you can run any of those games from a couple of clicks and no technical hassle (nothing kills a gaming session more than having to diagnose your PC in the middle of it). By the time you get here, you'll have remembered several games that you never completed but loved. You'll have got back into playing all sorts of older games. You'll remember hearing of their sequels / prequels and want to try them out. You'll have been exposed to numerous games on Steam / GOG.com that you find interesting, and also others for the systems you are emulating (even if that's only DOS).

    I did this and it's great. No more cutting-edge PC required, just double-click and go. A quick game of Chaos on the Spectrum followed by learning how nice a game Comix Zone was on the Megadrive (bought it on Steam because it came with some other Megadrive games that I wanted for free), followed by a quick bash through a handful of indie games. Hell, I have 200 games on my Steam account now and most of those have been purchased since I did this.

    Most importantly - stop buying those headline games until a year or so after release. Headline games are only good for "I got it first" arguments among kids. It takes a year or so to realise whether a game is actually any good or just another FPS and you could have saved your money.

    Browse through the Steam store's less than £4 section. Some wonderful things in there and if you click through you can often get a whole series of games for the price of a single modern one. Don't buy *everything*, just buy yourself a couple of things that seem relevant. Demos are always good here. If it doesn't have a demo, wants a brand-new PC, or has some icky DRM attached to it - ignore it for a year until those problems go away. Suggestions from others for particular games are unlikely to inspire and most of those games are only purchased if you come back to it later and decide that *you* want it.

    Just get back into the gaming mindset - don't spend forever on purchases, don't await hyped-out games, don't struggle to run the latest games, don't wait for the 10 minute intros to cut through. Just get into the game (even if that's a slow-paced adventure) at a double-click whenever you like. All that matters is the time on the game, not all the related gumph. And if you get frustrated with something, kick back to a game you last played when you were a kid at the touch of a button.

  90. Indie games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're fun.

  91. 100s of great new games to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no problem finding new games worth playing. I have more great games in my collection I want to play than I can possibly manage. My wishlist on BGG is over 500 games. Right now, I want to play String Railway, The Three Musketeers, Palais Royal, Atlantis, Cities, Airships, Dominion, Valdora and of course all the classics like Settlers, Carc, TTR, Showmanager, Niagara, Power Grid...

    There were over 600 new games shown at Essen Spiele 2010.

    Oh, you mean computer games. Oh, well, poor you. Try playing modern games with real people across a real table dealing in real time. Go look on boardgamegeek.com.

  92. HL2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Games need to ditch the realism and come up with off the wall designs.

    Spread the mushrooms around the office etc...

    Half-Life and TF2 were and are refreshing games to play because it didn't try to rigidly model the real world not inspite of that fact.

    Games today are fighting to emulate real life but real life is boring and they can't do it anyway so it ends up being more frustrating than anything else.

    They also lack challenges as they all try to mimick what went before and I know how to point and click to kill something.

    We need puzzles like HL2 had as inspite of some people complaining at the time, it mixed up the game play so it didn't get too repetitive.

    Not saying HL2 was a perfect game but it had these elements and even if you didn't like them, you probably had an alternative similar game that also did the same thing.

  93. Transitioning by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    "When I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things." I Cor. xiii. 11

    --
    E Proelio Veritas.
    1. Re:Transitioning by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
      --C.S. Lewis

      --
      There's a perfect xkcd for my sig but I'm too lazy to look it up. sudo someone go find it.
    2. Re:Transitioning by Sqreater · · Score: 1

      Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. --C.S. Lewis

      From Wikipedia:

      "Jane Moore

      While being trained for the army Lewis shared a room with another cadet, Edward Courtnay Francis "Paddy" Moore (1898–1918). Maureen Moore, Paddy's sister, said that the two made a mutual pact[21] that if either died during the war, the survivor would take care of both their families. Paddy was killed in action in 1918 and Lewis kept his promise. Paddy had earlier introduced Lewis to his mother, Jane King Moore, and a friendship quickly sprang up between Lewis, who was 18 when they met, and Jane, who was 45. The friendship with Mrs Moore was particularly important to Lewis while he was recovering from his wounds in hospital, as his father did not visit Lewis.

      Lewis lived with and cared for Mrs Moore until she was hospitalized in the late 1940s. He routinely introduced her as his "mother", and referred to her as such in letters. Lewis, whose own mother had died when he was a child and whose father was distant, demanding and eccentric, developed a deeply affectionate friendship with Mrs Moore.

      Speculation regarding their relationship re-surfaced with the publication of A. N. Wilson's biography of Lewis. Wilson (who had never met Lewis) attempted to make a case for their having been lovers for a time. Wilson's biography was not the first to address the question of Lewis's relationship with Mrs. Moore. George Sayer, who knew Lewis for 29 years, sought to shed light on the relationship during the period of 14 years prior to Lewis's conversion to Christianity, in his biography Jack: A Life of C. S. Lewis, in which he wrote:

      Were they lovers? Owen Barfield, who knew Jack well in the 1920s, once said that he thought the likelihood was "fifty-fifty." Although she was twenty-six years older than Jack, she was still a handsome woman, and he was certainly infatuated with her. But it seems very odd, if they were lovers, that he would call her "mother." We know, too, that they did not share the same bedroom. It seems most likely that he was bound to her by the promise he had given to Paddy and that his promise was reinforced by his love for her as his second mother.[22]

      Later Sayer changed his mind. In the introduction to the 1997 edition of his biography of Lewis he wrote:

      I have had to alter my opinion of Lewis's relationship with Mrs. Moore. In chapter eight of this book I wrote that I was uncertain about whether they were lovers. Now after conversations with Mrs. Moore's daughter, Maureen, and a consideration of the way in which their bedrooms were arranged at The Kilns, I am quite certain that they were."

      In the light of this information we can see that Lewis's comments as you quoted above were justification for his own rather sick, incestuous, mommy-loving, infantilism. He never grew up.

      --
      E Proelio Veritas.
    3. Re:Transitioning by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'm not the biggest C.S. Lewis fan, either, but that was the succinct and pithy quote on this topic. Time for the tl;dr version. Do you have a way to impugn cognitive psychologist Jerome Bruner? (pardon the copypasta hyphenation)

      One of the major speculations about primate evolution is that it is based on the progressive selection of a distinctive pattern of immaturity. It is this pattern of progressive selection that has made possible the more flexible adaptation of our species. Too often this pattern is overexplained by noting that human immaturity is less dominated by in- stinct and more governed by learning.

      Because our ultimate concern is with the emer- gence of human adaptation, our first concern must be the most distinctive feature of that adaptation. This feature is man's trait, typical of his species, of "culture using," with all of the intricate set of implications that follow. Man adapts (within lim- its) by changing the environment, by developing not only amplifiers and transformers for his sense organs, muscles, and reckoning powers, as well as banks for his memory, but also by changing literally the properties of his habitat. Man, so the truism goes, lives increasingly in a man-made environment.

      This circumstance places special burdens on human immaturity. For one thing, adaptation to such variable conditions depends heavily on opportuni- ties for learning, in order to achieve knowledge and skills that are not stored in the gene pool. But not all that must be mastered can be learned by direct encounter. Much must be "read out" of the culture pool, things learned and remembered over several generations: knowledge about values and history, skills as varied as an obligatory natural language or an optional mathematical one, as mute as using levers or as articulate as myth telling. Yet, though there is the gene pool, and though there exist direct experience and the culture as means for shaping immaturity, none of these di- rectly prepares for the novelty that results when man alters his environment. That flexibility de- pends on something else.

      Bruner, J.S. (1972) Nature and Uses of Immaturity. American Psychologist, 8, 687-708.

      Play is essential to the advancement of the human species and it does not stop in adulthood. We've been able to assimilate all this new tech into our culture because we play with it. And that becomes increasingly more essential as tech advancement accelerates.

      Don't make me get out the Vygotsky and Tomasello. I'm home for a holiday and there's nothing but parades and football on TV. I can do this all day.

      --
      There's a perfect xkcd for my sig but I'm too lazy to look it up. sudo someone go find it.
    4. Re:Transitioning by Sqreater · · Score: 1

      So who's doubting the human need for play? I'm criticizing the carrying of childish play into adulthood. I don't doubt the natural play value of a game to a 15-year-old dying a hundred times in a shooter game. Slaying dragons at ten probably teaches many things too. But a 40-year-old doing the same things is arrested. Sooner or later you learn what you can from a thing and move on. Some don't, stuck in 15-year-old-land, constantly learning the same things over and over again. Adults move from childish consequence-less games to those with consequences. More and more they crave reality, which always has consequences - for power comes from behaviors with consequences.

      And must you raise the crossed fingers of football to hold off the vampire of intellectualism? You sound like Matt Damon in the bar scene confrontation of "Good Will Hunting" ending in an invitation to take it to the alley -- only you're losing.

      --
      E Proelio Veritas.
  94. this phenomenon is not specific to games by drfireman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most people, as they get older, find it harder to get into new games, new music, new movies, new food, new sports, new friends, etc. Getting into new stuff takes effort, uninterrupted time, attention span, and a certain kind of ignorance that comes with youth and that lets you see warmed-over crap as exciting and fresh. You eventually reach an age at which it's hard to find anything that seems genuinely worth your excitement; you get jaded . It doesn't work that way for everyone in every arena, but that's generally how it goes.

  95. As i get older, I find a smaller set of games by dalewj · · Score: 1

    As i have gotten older as a gamer (mid 40s) I have found myself moving aroud the different types of games to being settled into one game type (MMORPG) I find the use of PVP in games to be over done, so I aim at games with more of a community and more professions that don't make you sit there aiming at someone with a gun.

    I also find myself playing games for a good 4+ years. I just finsihed playing Entropian Univese (6 years) after the devs got too greedy about money, and am now playing afterworld.ru, which is a Indi game about to go gold.

    I recommend finding a niche and enjoying it.
    Dad

  96. subjective suggestion by birdspider · · Score: 1

    You might try out Sword of the Stars or Dragon Age (this was mentioned before).
    The former one is particularly 'gripping' in MP, the later has awesome between-character dialoges.
    ("And now we have a dog, and Alister is still the stupidest member of the party")

  97. M.A.M.E by Frivas · · Score: 1

    M.A.M.E is your friend!!! I have the XBOX (the old one, not the 360!) filled with all the classics, so I can play them once in a while. You don't need so much time or dedication to play a couple of (emulated) quaters on these games: Xain'd Sleena, TMNT, Slap Fight, Ghost 'N Goblins, Rally-X, Star Force, City Connection, and a very long etc.
    Even my wife plays Pacman once in a while!
    And playing TMNT/Sunset Riders/The Avengers with 3 more friends that share the memories of old days at the Arcade, in a 50" TV, is a priceless experience :)

    Now, I'm getting a Pinball (a real one) to put on my home. I think The Who - The Pinball Wizard from Data East will be a nice one to have. And, by the way, I'm 32 years old, running three business... so I have little time for my passion of Arcades, but still got the mojo!!

    --
    -- Francisco Rivas C.
  98. WE are of the same ilk by smylingsam · · Score: 1

    Hi There,

    It seems you and I play similar games. Recently I found a combination of older games from gametap.com & gog.com and new sleepers from steam hits the sweet spot for locating good solid story driven games. Mind that some old ones (like the elder scrolls, might and magic or wizardry series) are not represented but there is a lot of new blood hidden away especially on steam.

      Recently I've found Wizard101.com to be allot of fun and sans the usual mmorg drama. The buy is quite reasonable - about US$9.99 for the subscription (or they have a pay as you go plan that sounds complex but is less expensive then the monthly fee when taken over a whole year and bought while their sale is in effect).
    Other sources I've used are:
    http://www.adventuregamers.com/
    http://www.freemmogamer.com/2008/09/best-free-mmos-list.html (yes this is an old list -- if the game is still working then it's not likely to be a fly by night operation).

    You should know that pure story driven games are dying; if they don't include some serious fps or don't get very casual they are not likely to make it financially outside the indy crowd. Steam seems have a good representative of the newer games, but they are poorly marketed thus well hidden away in page 4-10 ^_^.

    hth

    Sam S.

  99. Re:Quit whining by lyinhart · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah. Great idea. Been hearing good things about that one.

    --
    Freedom is drinking a beer in the park when you're supposed to be at work.
  100. ARMA 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should look into a game called ARMA 2,

  101. Seems you have lost your mojo - just as I did by JCZwart · · Score: 1

    Yes, I have this exact same experience. And even though there are some 'old gems' I still should try (Grim Fandango certainly being one of them), I also find that I've come to dislike certain games that I used to be quite fond of. For example all Sierra Online adventures, which seemed quite lengthy and rich in content at the time, now seem somewhat shallow and really short, even though I can appreciate the music or ambient sounds much more nowadays (or less, when I play a game with an awful soundtrack, such as Kings Quest V for that matter).

    Currently, I only like games like HL2, L4D1 and 2, and some others. Civ 5 didn't manage to grab me yet, and all those fancy shooters don't seem interesting at all.

    I think there are two reasons for this. One is that I used to marvel at the worlds in which I would be able to escape, but as I've grown older I've seen movies and read books which were much better in 'sucking me in', to the point that games' experiences just are too shallow to me. Even though games have one clear advantage over books, and that is the way in which a player can shape her/his own story.

    The second reason is that several years ago, games seemed to become more and more advanced and pretty. Right now, the difference between a new game and one that has been out for, say, some years, just isn't big enough to get me all enthusiastic (admitted, I don't have the means to run such a game anyway). I used to marvel at all games reviews in the magazines; now, when I go to, say, GameSpot, chances are pretty much 50% that I'm bored to tears at what I see, no matter what graphics these games feature...

  102. games are godawful by t2t10 · · Score: 1

    No, it's not you or your mojo, it's the games. They are getting better and better 3D graphics, and the gameplay is getting more and more boring. In many of the games, you can't really die anymore, you get arrows pointing where you need to go, and often if you just twitch fast, you win.

  103. Re:Quit whining by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

    I really enjoy that game but I would only recommend it if you like Texas Hold'em and the characters represented in the game, otherwise you're not going to feel like you got your $5 worth.

    --
    They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
  104. Deus Ex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, Deus Ex

  105. We not only grew up, but also played too much by unity100 · · Score: 1

    Im 35. for a long time i have been rather forcing myself to play games as a pastime. (there is nothing else to do every weeknight, is it) but recently im not even doing that, havent touched any games.

    maybe we grew up. but, more than that,i believe, we played too much games. we are the first gamer generation. i played my first computer game in 1982 on a zx spectrum at age 6-7 or so. then msx, then c64 then pc ... we played all the legendary games that broke barriers at the time they came out. we also played A LOT of games.

    you know, after a point it ends up like hollywood movies - if you have seen a lot, its like having seen all of them. they all resemble each other. you get bored, of the same pattern.

    of course the extreme corporatization, industrialization of gaming didnt help. fifa xvIIIXImcMii, Flying Dragon XVIVII, rehashes, or, bastardizations of existing game types all for not risking losing one single penny for shareholders (fuck those bastards), made gaming a repetitive affair. even mass effect 2, i only played it for a few hours before forgetting it. polished 'same old'. dragon age. same old, but very polished. (and made harder so 'game time' will increase peh).

    yeah, i think we played a little bit too much.

  106. Not at all! by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

    I've been gaming since at least the late 80s and I find this a great time to be a gamer. There are more awesome game tat capture my attention then I have time. Just looking at my Steam account - over 200hours on Fallout NV. Probably even more on DAO with expansions. Civilization and Galciv are always awesome. Also play SC2 when I get the chance , DA2 and DNF are coming, it's a very exciting time!

    --
    US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
  107. Never as good as the first time... by disi · · Score: 1

    I have the same problem. I tried nearly all mmorpgs out there and in the end, I spend more time playing puzzle games.

    A good game to play is to start studying again, I like the thrill when you hand in the assignments etc. :)

  108. KATAMARI DAMACY, TRUST ME ON THIS ONE! by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

    You need to play Katamari, any of them. The only downside is that it's available only for Sony systems, but I bet you can buy a used PS2, right? It's fun, easy to learn to play, crazy (If you like pot, holy shit!, you're in for a treat) and addictive. It's very different from everything. Go get it, go go go!

  109. More variety within a game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need just a little more variety within a game. Specifically I mean we need to either combine a couple elements into one game or add them to an existing experience. This is not very hard, and I am surprised so few games implement this. Its not about resources, or capability of the games/engines. Its about poor game design.

    Here's an example. take one of my favorite games types FPS. These are traditionally action games. But they can easily be better by adding just some extra elements. Or combined with adventure/strategy games such as Half Life or Far Cry 2 did! Why has no one else followed there lead? You don't need to create a massive Far Cry 2 enviroment, but you can add an element to make your game somewhat enjoyable!

    Consider this: If some of the money that was spent making over the top redundant games was spent on added one or two elements to design, investors would make a much larger profit!

    Look at multiplayer games which peeked with Quake series. A simple run-and-gun. Then came along Counter Strike (which was a Mod by the way because video game industry made boring games). Same type of game attributes but they simply added two elements. Bomb planting/defusing, and hostages. Now look how much more entertaining that was? And where is this game today? Still being played and now sold!

    Here is a synopsis of what I enjoy in a FPS (for example). These are examples of the the variety I wish existed in other games such as COD, MOH, Quake Wars, etc.

    1. Larger or free roaming maps like with "Delta Force 2" (an awesome game for its time.), with the ability to actually practice stealth or run/gun (Socom, Red Orchestra style).
    2. I want different objectives, or multiple ways to accomplish them (Bad Company 2, destroy boxes with setting a time or explosives). I also liked how missions made game play soooo much more fun such as with Delta Force 2's 'Seek and Destroy' or missions in Socom.
    3. Ability to use vehicles (Bad Company 2, BF series).
    4. The ability to set traps or booby-trap vehicles (BF Vietnam) was awesome!
    5. The ability to use the environment. I like how fun games such as Bad Company 2 lets you do this. You don't have to have an awesome engine either. Take "Age Of Chivalry" an older HL2 Mod. This game lets team mates build siege towers, prompt falling rocks, open/close doors, and interact with stationary weapons. It certainly makes the game much more enjoyable and every map a new experience. All on an outdated engine by modders.

    Why do new games suck so much? Cause they haven't changed anything. Their still vanilla.

    1. Re:More variety within a game by disi · · Score: 1

      What was the game before Delta force again? You could create your own missions or play the ones that came with the game like single sniper/sneak missions or lead a whole group through battle. I loved that one and you could drive or fly anything you found on the battlefield (until it got destroyed). Missions go like: You start as part of a group and get your first trainings, then you have your first combat (the group leader tells you exactly what to do like "take cover" etc.), At some stage you have to drive a tank, then you lead a group of tanks .... in the end you get a helicopter :) Leading the tanks squad was annoying, you had to schedule the refuel and rearm for every stupid tank commander. So I got a god mode cheat, grabbed all the anti tank weapons I could find and stormed the enemy on foot :D

    2. Re:More variety within a game by xystren · · Score: 1

      The last game I had any real interest in was the Hitman series. While fairly linear in game play (one mission leads to another, and so on), the numerous different ways that you could complete the mission (go for a silent assassin kill, go gang busters and kill everything, or something in between). That variety is what kept me interested.

      Most of the RPG type games I lost my interest extremely fast. The one notable exception was Evil Islands. This required to you do some planning when completing missions - if you tried to hack and slash everything, you would die. You would need to sneak, crawl, run, coordinate with other characters to complete a mission. Not your typical Hack-N-Slash game. I found it to be a refreshing change.

      Otherwise, I enjoy good old Wolfenstien Enemy Territory for my FPS fix. It's a game I can pick up, play for a couple hours (or less) and be done with it. It's based on the old Return to Castle Wolfenstien, with mods out of the wazoo, and it's free.

      I miss some of the good old text/graphic based adventure games from my Apple ][+ days. Every so often I will head over to www.virtualapple.org and play some of the classic games. Despite the lack of eye candy graphics, I find the game play to be far superior to most things that come out today. Fancy isn't always better.

      I'm also in the same boat. My game mojo is on the decline also. Seems like there is nothing to stimulate it anymore. Everything seems to be the same old, same old. Quality game play seems to be a thing of the past.

      I feel for you.
      Cheers,
      Xyst

  110. The cup is half full by Rizz · · Score: 1

    Write your own game. Since you're bored with the current crop, you are less likely to reproduce them and might just come up with the next Angry Birds or Meat Boy concept.

    I felt the same way you did not that long ago and now I've got a functioning prototype using the Unreal Development Kit. If you can image it, you can do it. Git 'r' dun!

  111. In the same boat here by manofherb · · Score: 1

    I'm 31 and still play the original mario brothers games although lately I play more lost levels w/mario(too easy w/luigi) than anything, on the computer it's bejeweled blitz, reminds me of my tetris days and i'm number 1 every week amongst my friends, without spending a dime! you could also invest in an older system(game cube, dreamcast) and you can try out tons of games for $10 and under, although the really great ones are a bit more

  112. Modern games suck because of evil management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modern games suck because they're developed by evil corporations run by overly affluent evil people. These people only care about themselves and are incapable of producing quality.Is it any surprise that greedy and selfish people are incompetent and destroy everything they touch?

  113. Try boardgames by proc_tarry · · Score: 1

    I made the switch a few years ago. BGs are all about the gameplay. There's even a number of solo games. For a start try Agricola and Arkham Horror.

  114. Me Mojo by jmrives · · Score: 1

    I am not sure what age has to do with it. I am 54 and still play computer games regularly.

    My preference is for empire building games. The Civilization series has been a constant favorite. I am playing Civ5 now and really enjoying it. I am also a Masters of Orion fan. The Total War releases are some of the most involved strategic and tactical games I have played.

    I am also quite fond of RPG type games. Neverwinter Nights being a good example of such.

    Though, I have to say, I am occasionally hooked by a real time action game. The last one to really suck me in was Assassin's Creed. I have Assassin's Creed 2 sitting beside the PS3 waiting. Maybe I can carve out a block of time during this holly-daze season.

    If I have friends over and we want to jump into some quick and easy game playing, there is always Tekken and similar combat games.

  115. Sturgeon's Law applies. by Peganthyrus · · Score: 1

    I'm generally less interested in video games than I used to be. I have other demands on my time now: big ongoing projects (one of which has a deadline at the end of the month), a love life, a new city to explore, people to go hang out with... I'd really rather try and sit in front of the drawing board to get some art done than grind through another lengthy game that has the same narrative cliches and the same gameplay as every other game I've played in its genre.

    It's harder and harder for someone to offer me a new experience. I've played more than enough shitty games in my life; I don't need to play more of them.

    --
    egypt urnash minimal art.
  116. Social gaming by virtualflesh · · Score: 1

    Great post. I, too, turned 40 this year. What I'm finding is that when I play with others that I know and love (or like - a lot - if love offends you), the game becomes much more enjoyable. Even for games that I've played before, when my kids get a hold of them, they are a ton of fun because it's great seeing them getting into them. If you don't have kids, the games I'd suggest are the ones developing characters.. like D&D. Dungeons and Dragons Online is good for this, and is especially fun when you can join up with someone you know and with the same character levels, dropping in and out much you do.

  117. Age and shifting priorities by ShannaraFan · · Score: 1

    I think it's a normal function of "growing up" - certain hobbies or activities are more fulfilling than others, and as we age, priorities change, demands on our time change, and as a result, the less fulfilling activities lose their appeal. Ten years ago, I was into multiple hobbies - video gaming, astronomy, model rocketry, model railroading, to name a few. I tried to keep active in all of them, but with kids, a job, and just generally less "energy", it was too much. I no longer own any rockets, or participate in the hobby in any way. My telescopes sit forgotten in boxes in the basement closet. Piles of video games sit unplayed, except an occasional round of Civilization (rare). The railroading is where I spend my free time now, at home, at club events, shows, etc.. It provides everything I need, relaxation, a creative outlet, interaction with others, and it's fun.

  118. TF2 by shartacus · · Score: 1

    I always go back to Team Fortress 2. Fun FPS. If you can stand to get ribbed a little you can be a middling player and still have fun if you pick a good community online.

  119. Co-op on the split screen by tepples · · Score: 1

    The more frustrating thing is that a lot of the games coming to PC now are actually designed and tested for consoles [...] I've been gravitating toward co-op multiplayer games

    I thought co-op multiplayer was better on a console because console games were more likely to support sharing a screen with player 2 who is using a gamepad.

    Get four friends and go at it.

    That's harder if you have to buy four copies of the game and dismantle four PCs to make a LAN party.

  120. Zelda? More like Celda, am I right? by tepples · · Score: 1

    I stopped caring about games when the arcade graphics got "cartoony".

    Let me guess: you hated Celda too.

    1. Re:Zelda? More like Celda, am I right? by istartedi · · Score: 1

      I was looooong out of games by the time that came out. I was thinking about Dragon's Lair.

      Of course, there was minimal gameplay there, and the fact that it was difficult and cost $0.50 vs $0.25 per play didn't help much either. I was a teenager either spending $0.25/game, or getting games for the C-64. Then I lost interest.

      I'm sure that if I had been at the right age group, at the right time, I might have loved Zelda.

      Actually, if I were stuck in an area with an unpleasant climate, the possibility for an interest in games to come back is always there. As I'm in my 40s though, it has to be about more than how fast you can twitch your fingers...

      --
      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  121. Deep and Varied challenges by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 1

    Eve Online and the Total War games offer a deep and varied challenge.

  122. Yes, and I've found my over/under to be 10 hrs by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if it's I've lost my mojo or other things have come up. You know, when work/commute take up about 10 hrs a day and then you have to make/get dinner there isn't that much time. (Especially if you're like me and you developed migraines in your twenties like me. I can't game if I've got a migraine.) What I've found is I have an over/under of 10 hrs. If a game can keep me engaged for 10 hrs then I'll really get into it and complete it. If it doesn't then'll I'll forget about it. The last 2 games to do that for me were Batman:AA and Red Faction Guerilla.(AKA Grand Theft Martian.)

    --
    Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
  123. I'm 43 by Growlor · · Score: 1

    Try Vendetta Online. Like you, I also enjoyed the first 2 MOO games. Like you mentioned, MOO3 was so much like work I can get paid for (planning, managing resources in tedious detail) I never got into it. I also enjoyed DiabloII (spent YEARS in game addiction mode on that one), HoMM and Might&Magic series. I also spent time with the Doom, Hexen and Heretic FPS' as well as the excellent RoTT (which I believe now has an Open Source Linux version.) For a while I dabbled in Everquest, Ultima Online and Earth&Beyond. In recent years I tried Guild Wars, Titan Quest and Hellgate London. However, I got really tired of booting Windows just to play games, so never tried Eve (the emulator didn't work and I wasn't in the mood to dink with it to make it run on my PC.) So I was poking around and ran into a VO link on a Linux gaming site. I've also tried some of the games in the $10 bargain bin at Walmart/Target/etc, but having to boot Windows to load them really takes away part of the enjoyment. Maybe some rich guy will resurrect Loki games someday, so we can have more choices on Linux again.

  124. Big Game and Olympic Games by tepples · · Score: 1
    Work it...

    i dont think its really fair to pitch Asteroids or Pac man in the lot beacuse they're from a very different era were it was just about getting more points or doing the same thing but faster!

    Except people still like to play and watch games that involve "getting more points or doing the same thing but faster". Look at the annual Big Game of the American NFL, or the Olympic Games: it's a matter of doing the same thing, only harder, better, faster, stronger.

  125. Former For Money gamer here by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

    I used to make money playing games on the internet, funded 3 semesters of college on it.

    I lost my gaming mojo some time ago, when I was winning all of the time I was 18-20 or so, then I took a break so that I could actually pass college.

    When I play now, even though I am "good" as in "very good" when I play, the gulf between me and someone who is 14 and plays every night is vast. The 14 year olds that play competitively are far better.

    In pub games I can generally win handily, in say Call Of Duty style games, or Unreal style. But when it comes to competitive players, and I mean the ones who might win money, I am very slow and out of "gaming" shape.

    I don't know exactly when it happened, but it was some time between the release of Call of Duty 1 and Call of Duty 2 were my "real" life started to take priority over being good at games.

    About the only game I am still "awesome" in is Mechwarrior Living Legends (a mod for Crysis) and that is mostly because the game I earned most of my money in back in the day were mechwarrior gaming tourneys, and I never lost my head for the style, as it relies more on carefully thinking about what you are doing, rather than twitch skills.

    In a game like COD4, being well placed and well set up gets you only so far against someone who can spin around, shoot you in the head, and move on before you have finished killing their bouncing figure moving through the map.

    --
    If you don't vote, you don't matter, so don't waste your time telling me your opinion
  126. Have you tried Portal? by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 1

    I was seeing myself in this question. I'm pretty much done with most games - they seem to be remakes of the same old stuff. Then I ran across a rather refreshing game - Portal.

    In the game, you have a single device (not really a weapon) - the portal gun. In effect, you can create two linked wormhole-like holes that teleport objects from one to another. You can also pick up objects. That's it. Simple.

    In the game you find yourself in a bit of a puzzle - you enter a section and simply need to exit the section, but have obstacles to overcome, with nothing but the portal gun. It is a thinking mans game, and you can stop at any time.

    You really should check out the video at Valve's web site, as my description does not do it justice. This is the most entertaining game I've played in years. It's old enough that system requirements are pretty low. Great fun.

    --
    Place nail here >+
  127. No split screen on PC by tepples · · Score: 1

    If one wants to see something fresh, indie games are the way to go

    Say I want to see something fresh, but I want to experience it with friends who are visiting my home. Indie games rarely come to consoles (apart from World of Goo when one of its developers was friends with the manager of a Starbucks), and other Slashdot users tell me there aren't enough gamers with home theater PCs to make a split- or otherwise shared-screen co-op mode on a PC game worth the development time=money to add. Now what do I do?

  128. MMO's by tom229 · · Score: 1

    MMO's. I know that sounds dirty and people are going to be like "omg addiction" but really its all that's done it for me since I was about 16.

    Ever since Ultima Online I have been completely ruined for single player games. They feel like sitting inside playing with a ball and cup vs playing a game of touch football with the neighborhood.

    --
    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
  129. Considering you still show an interest in gaming, I would never say that you've lost your mojo. As new games come out, including repeats of each other, it sort of makes it difficult for the long-term gamers to adapt. I mean, Call of Duty, as great a game as it is, is certainly not a fresh experience unless you just haven't played it in quite some time. Call of Duty and Halo have reshaped FPSs on console so they are nowhere near the same as before... which makes it easier for younger, newer gamers to come into the picture and become good at it. Those same gamers though would most likely get reemed playing us at Counter-Strike though. ;) (For the most part). As far as wanting to go back and play old titles... it's just like when you go to a restaurant and order the same thing. Sure, you want to try something else, but do you want to waste the money on something you might not like? Or just buy what you know you will like? I stay active as I can with gaming. I love all the old games I've played and enjoy a lot of new games. My suggestion to you would be to ask around, see what your friends like... play some demos, etc. Find a genre you like and check out other games in that genre (Obviously there's no game like Heavy Rain, haha). You said you didn't like AoE 3, so stay away from RTSs. And also stay away from sandbox games like GTA (Mafia, Just Cause, Saints Row, Red Dead Redemption), etc. You should look into some of the newer style FPS hybrid genre games like Bioshock, Fallout, etc. Or even trying some of the newer RPGs like Mass Effect, Oblivion (few years old I know), etc. I would say... never give up on the gaming spirit. The fact that you asked Slashdot about this means you still show interest. Gaming for life!

    --
    "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
  130. I understand you so well my friend by Lazypete · · Score: 1

    Amen my friend amen, I know what you mean. I played to many FPS I can't even look at one without being disgusted... I played soo many MMORPG I get nightmare about starting a toon at first level. I too dont have the time to master games like StarCraft, AoE and other RTS. I like racing game a lot because thats the game thats sooo easy to let go and then come back and know where you're at. I still like RPG (non MMO) since they are story driven but the latest Final Fantasy make me think about the old Mystic Quest on the SNES... easy as hell without a hint of challenge. So yeah I understand.. my latest game is not so much great but its fun, its indie so Im helping a fellow coder and its cheap enought. Hegemony, Philip of Macedone. Good game, could have been better but the game play is simple enough and its still a bit adictive. But I've been playing it for only 3 sessions so I know im at the begging so I cant tell you if it stays good in the long run.

  131. Small Games over Large Ones by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 1

    As an older player (just about 30), I find that I have no taste anymore for blockbuster games. I don't want to play a $60 epic about some superhero rampaging around and killing every bad guy in sight. When I have a couple of nights free to mess around, I look at the inexpensive games on XBox Live (just bought Monkey Island: Special Edition for $5 on sale and need to try it), or even the XBox Indie section (just made legendary status in Carneyvale, enjoyed Soulcaster a while ago), or I want to download some small game off of Steam that my online friends recommend (Recettear was fun for the meta-conversations). I think some of that lost mojo might just be that we're tired of seeing the same old crap over and over again. It's a refreshing to just pick up something small and weave your way through it than to sit through some epic journey again.

    (Then again, please don't ask me how many hours I've spent playing expert drums in Rock Band...)

    --
    Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
  132. Yes, but not due to lack of quality games by dswensen · · Score: 1

    Are you finding it harder, as you get more mature, to find something you want to play?"

    Actually, I found it hard to justify the expense and time investment of keeping up with games. I know people who buy every new console that comes out, with the requisite library of games. It's thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours, and as I get older I find I'd rather do other things.

    Dropping out of the gaming community has been curious... a lot of the stuff coming out now looks amazing graphically, but the play mechanics don't seem to have changed in the last five or ten years. From the outside it looks like the same three games being re-skinned and re-released over and over. And I really don't miss the frustration of DRM, buggy releases, the patch-it-later mentalities, and the ballad of shame and broken promises of games that get overhyped.

    I have a lot of fond memories of my hardcore gaming days, and bear no ill will for the people who are still into it, but I feel happier for having left it behind. When the need for a gaming fix returns, I find just firing up GtA or Half-Life 2 scratches the itch as much as buying a new game.

    So yeah, I guess I'm old and stuff.

  133. It's natural, deal with it. by pnumoman · · Score: 1

    It's not a big deal that you have a hard time finding games you like. There are more games around, games get more ad coverage than ever, and you're getting older.

    Plus, if you really think about it, the games you go back to again and again are a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the games you used to play, or was able to play, as a kid. There's always been a ton of cruft to sift through to find the gems; it's no different now, but it seems worse since your tastes have changed.

    Just relax, keep gaming for fun, and you'll find the modern gems eventually. It's not a huge deal and a bit inevitable, really; you simply have less free time to sift through the muck now that you're older.

  134. there are several factors I think by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    The first factor, which doesn't get all of us, is that as you grow older, there is a greater chance that first person shooters will make you motion sick. (I know about frame rates, but as you grow older, I'd argue that frame rates naturally increase as hardware gets cheaper.) I played Doom and Doom 2 for hours, but can't play a FPS for more than a few minutes these days without getting nauseous.

    Second factor, let's face it, you just don't twitch as well in your forties as you did in your twenties. Compensation for that is life experience, better strategy and reasoning capabilities, but your reactions are going to be a touch slower.

    Third factor: Unless you're a hopeless sociophobe, you probably have more interests outside gaming. This takes away from the long hours you spent in front of the screen, so naturally you're going to get a little rusty.

    But in any case, games are just not that important. (Horrors!) They were useful when you were young and thought you had gobs of time to spare, but truthfully, you really didn't then and you have even less now.

    That said, I'm marginally interested in the Alice and Mechwarrior reboots (if they ever come out), and Diablo III (ditto), because I used to play the originals a long time ago. I might even buy them. But the days of staying up to 3:00 AM on a weeknight trying to get to the next level are over.

    That said, earlier this year I had to give my copy of Warcraft to my daughter and tell her to hide it from me.

    --
    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  135. Go find a girl. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go find a girl man.

    manutriplex@hotmail.com

  136. LOLWUT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF? half life 2, starcraft 2, portal, left 4 dead, civilization 4 & 5, plants vs zombies, osmos... the list goes on. it isn't a lack of good games s, there are too many.

  137. Bingo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be B4 you whippersnapper!

  138. i feel the same way by cdpage · · Score: 1

    I've found two new interest in games.

    Ones that feel more like a movie. (the latest i played were; uncharted and batman arkham asylum) they are more engaging than movie, and usually have a good story line.

    my number two go to are cheap downloads. they are fast fun and engaging... some addictive some are just a one time play thing some are puzzles... they are a great tie over till that next game but sometimes you find a Gem that is worth more than $10 - Monsters (by pixel junk), deathspank, castle crashers, echocrome, fat princess...)

    for a third, little big planet. ...if there was a forth style to catch my eye it would be lego. button mashing fun!

  139. sim racing by LazyAcer · · Score: 1

    dunno if anyone suggested this yet, but online racing is a great way to regain your gaming mojo. i'm a shooter-gamer and didn't really get into racing games except for the odd arcade game like need for speed, always thought sim's were too hard.. then about a year ago a friend introduced me to Race 07 and it's two add-ons GTR Evolution and the new Race On.. wow, talk about awesome gaming fun for an old guy! It's easy and quick to get into, the game is open ended so you can drive any car on any track without having to "level up" .. take as long as you like learning a new car/track while building your skills with other like-minded and mature drivers

    Check out these racing communities..

    http://www.racedepartment.com/

    http://www.simhookup.com/

    --
    What! Do I look like a people person?
  140. Depends on the genre by phorm · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of areas where having a story is important or lends to the game, the big trick is not to make the rest of the game SUCK.
    RPG's - to me - seem to be dying because they *lack* a good plot. Look at the fairly recent Final Fantasy XIII... scanty uniforms, flashy effects, and otherwise very, very lame. The given plot could have had promise if they hadn't been too busy with their angsty teenage personas, super-duper-background-rendering, and big boobs. That series is not pretty much dead to me.

    Most RTS's I've played don't need a storyline to be fun, but it can add to the game. For the most-part though I've always enjoyed multi-player RTS the most, so no story needed.

    FPS often seem to be a drone of "same ol' same ol'", however I will add a few exemptions. Half Life 2 does an EXCELLENT job of integrating a story, and elements of a physics puzzler to the RTS. Doom3, which got bogged down in repetitive gameplay, actually had a semi-decent take on the story as well.

    Gameplay counts, but don't discount the value of a good story. I'd certainly rather have a good story (AND gameplay) then more flashy explosions, laser FX, and females in tight lycra uniforms.

  141. Something else.... by jeremiahstanley · · Score: 1

    I gave up on games after I started to feel the treadmill effect of doing the same thing over and over. I pulled out the instrument I gave up for a decade and started actively entertaining myself rather than passively. This led me to home recording and then onto music production.

    I've never been happier since I stopped consuming and started creating.

  142. Re:Quit whining by Barny · · Score: 1

    $5 worth (well, its now about $4.80AU, I love the currency conversion at the moment).

    Crap, it cost me more than that for breakfast this morning.

    I really love cheap steam games, you know all you need to do is play it for an hour to get your moneys worth, hell I have played PNatI more than I played some of the latest AAA titles.

    --
    ...
    /me sighs
  143. Resident Evil 4 by myspys · · Score: 1

    The last game that I really dedicated time to was Resident Evil 4 (played on the GameCube).

    It was just a good game, that even managed to scare me more than once.

    Tried the previous RE and RE5, but they didn't do it for me.

  144. It's not just us... by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

    The industry is about making money and because of that they are making games that will net the the most cash in the short term vs games that are good.

    Now clearly that is not the case across the board but it is true to such a degree that it does color what we older gamers, who have seen a lot of games, will deal with. I personally have a hard time dealing with any RTS that does not have the depth of RON at this point but that RTS's depth was pretty crazy deep and coupled with its failed sales there is the idea that nobody wants to buy something like that. (Nevermind the fact that one of the bigger reasons it failed with a lot of the RTS community was it's awful MP support when dealing with NATs at a time when everyone starting using a NAT.)

    I don't want to sound like Yahtzee too much but there comes a point when it's like this game is good but it's so much like God of War but not really even as good that why should I bother even trying something new? I can just keep giving my $15 a month to Acti-Blizzard for my WoW sub and deal with the imperfections there that I know and have come to love vs something new that will just annoy me.

    --

    Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
  145. Darkfall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm 47 and have been playing Darkfall for 2 years now and have no interest in playing anything less thrilling (which is most titles).

    I thoroughly recommend it, and no I dont not have a financial interest in it.

    Feel free to google it, but be prepared to be immersed.

  146. hi by ElizaEliza · · Score: 1

    I am really thankful to the author of this post for making this lovely and informative article live here for us. We really appreciate ur effort. A good writing style and information is certainly useful. For all readers continue to write such excellent articles. Keep up the good work. . . . http://www.optionpoppers.com/

  147. Guild Wars 2 and Guild Wars 1 by oakwine · · Score: 1

    Youtube and look up Guild Wars 2 Manifesto. GW 2 out within the next year, no monthly fee, no ripoff company store. Been playing GW 1 for the last 5 1/2 years. Geek game, playable solo, rather a challenge; need to be able to read forums and the wikis. Excellent music, graphics rather like playing inside an oil painting. Lots of quests, missions. But beyond that even more to do if you are a self starter. Only game I play these days, whether I have a few minutes to spare or an evening. Guild Wars 2 will be a much different game from either GW 1 or WoW. Keep an ear open for GW 2 release info.

  148. Get a life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Video games are for (a) kids, and (b) sad case single men with "learned helpnessness" (look it up) who are forever whining that they can't get a girlfriend.

    If you are the latter, you need pull yourself together, sort your life out, get a girlfriend, get married, have children, and GET A LIFE.

    Of course you don't have to. You can live out your life in denial, on your own, and die a sad lonely individual who never experienced anything worthwhile.

  149. Interactive Storytelling vs. Gaming by wynterwynd · · Score: 1

    It sounds like your tastes are just changing to more serious and thoughtful titles. You'd rather play an interactive story instead of a press-the-button-when-the-flashy-thing-blinks-game. Good thing for you is, it's right in the middle of a resurgence.

    The relative success of Heavy Rain and Telltale's success with reviving the adventure game formula is bearing some really awesome fruit. Check out LA Noire by Rockstar - I think it'll be right up your alley. http://www.rockstargames.com/lanoire/agegate/ref/?redirect=

    Also I hear great things about Red Dead Redemption and Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Both are purported to have great stories to go with gameplay that's not quite so frantic.

    --
    "Not all who wander are lost" -- JRR Tolkien
  150. Hi by Eliza027 · · Score: 1

    Great article it very informative have a nice day.Some great stuff im coming across here.I found so many interesting stuff in your poste specially its discussion. From the tons of comments on your articles, I guess I am not the only one having all the enjoyment here! keep up the good work. http://www.optionpoppers.com/

  151. Hi by Eliza027 · · Score: 1

    It does seem that everybody is into this kind of stuff lately. Don’t really understand it though, but thanks for trying to explain it. Appreciate you shedding light into this matter. Keep it up http://www.optionpoppers.com/

  152. Scotch by krisbrowne42 · · Score: 1

    When introducing yourself to Scotch (Even Single Malt) don't be afraid to add a bit of water to it. You actually allow more of the fragrance of the alcohol to diffuse as you dilute the drink, and so the flavor maintains very well, while reducing the pure alcohol burn which turns off many exploring drinkers.

  153. Oh god... by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

    The constant munching of pills...

    --
    Meta will eat itself