The finishing touch - probably when the ignorant Soviet generals forced a project giving "parity" with non-existent "strategic advantage" of the STS... (while their engineers wanted to do something very different)
Actually, one can wonder if that wasn't the real goal of the Shuttle (a concept sort of made obsolete, by successful automatic rendezvous,...before it seriously got onto drawing boards) - to provoke similar Soviet project of rampant spending. Though presumably, in such case, it wouldn't be allowed to suck NASA dry for the last 2 decades... (and there was even a good opportunity to replace it after the first disaster; of course, at this point we possibly witnessed a "counter-provocation" of sorts, when Buran was prepping for "regular service"... so of course the Soviets couldn't be left with the only operational shuttle fleet)
...if I would have to guess, also with a relatively long-lasting bloodbath in the spirit of WW1; of past tactics + "future" technology (for example, say, mass-produced & mostly-autonomous "kill vehicles" of various types; with a touch of Skynet / will biological humans be able to overcome "past tactics" of...essentially their bodies?;) )
Probably not exactly larger [1] - but yes, it is important to note they had the ability to inflict massive destruction... and yet managed to recognize they're broke and dissolve themselves mostly peacefully. I hope we could treat such outcome as a given...
(then there are the myths of bomber gap, missile gap, and mineshaft gap - and how, during and some time after the missile one, Soviets even had a policy of storing warheads and rockets separately; whatever Team B came up with; or one of the greatest historical ironies... Stalin: despite all the victims, a dramatic increase in life expectancy in the area (& generally bringing a very backward and impoverished semi-colonial place up to a status of a superpower - this example of rapid industrialization, and our current comfy world sort of also on the backs of Chinese (plus...), making your ironic point probably much more complex [2]); another irony: yes, strict censorship... but also the first literate generation;
and generally, how the Cold War wasn't very civilised on either side (heck, you have to count the bodies on both, to seriously start pondering...); or how the "evil Russians" probably have a deep need of maintaining buffer states due to foreign armies regularly steam-rolling through their land)
1. Of course, any "demonstration" on either side would most likely cause a full response of the other, so who exactly had a larger stick is a bit moot point.
2. Still a small fry vs. how some of the more radical ideas of "communism" appear out of myths cherished, ironically enough, typically (from what I see) most fervently by the most red-scared parts of society;> (their "myth of past middle class glory", with a cold look at demographic data, working out pretty much exactly backwards to the cherished ideology:> )
Probably not quite "too late", not quite "everywhere" (WordPerfect also was very established at one point; and living in one of those "20+%" places, I can tell you this: hardly anybody has a problem with pirating software... and yet, it didn't keep MS Office in the position of absolute domination)
Just pointing out how the mentioned "problem" of Beijing is much less of an issue (maybe even particularly with people working on rockets; possibly proportionality unlikely to, say, protest the whole fabled military-industrial complex and its actions in the first place?)
"Human rights oppression" aren't really much of a concern for such workers; same as they don't have to concern themselves much with the fate of, say, underclass prison workers at home.
But generally, there are solutions working better... GTalk most notably (as attested for example by one of my buddies who very much prefers it over Skype - on way over-shared, wireless-connected LAN inside of EU on one end; with his family on not-really-56k dial-up inside of CIS on the other)
the laser reflectors should tell anyone that Apollo did land on the moon
As did the Lunokhod rovers with their laser reflectors... (in short: while there are very good reasons why Apollo landings happened - crazed crash projects they were - reflectors are not one of them; also... you're surprised how an earthquake with epicentre few dozen meters away can brought down a building, and in what direction gravity generally works if you drop a large chunk of mass from top portion of a skyscraper?)
CCC might be getting too much leverage for itself to be just closed... (not only ZTE sneaked into top5 of phone manufacturers, their ZTE Blade is rather nice overall & for the price in particular)
"We need oil now"? Who is that "we"? There are more pressing priorities than "theyr takk'n our jubbs!" of small spoiled part of human population, consumed by... consumptionism
"Many decades" is a dream when we already use 3 million years worth of oil in 1 year. And BTW, jets could work on algae / etc. fuel, generally one which is produced using other energy source.
Then let us not forget about all the unaccounted externalities of burning fossil fuels, and how much we "invest" in welfare of oil giants.
It's even more odd, it would seem (the best part of course: which side of the political spectrum more typically subscribes to this myth and its implications)
...I emphasize good and honest because that is what lacks in today's world. It is easier to lie to an uneducated populous, it is easier to sale crap to unsuspecting people and it is becoming acceptable to look the other way when people cheat on the market. As a society we don;t enforce basic laws or immoral behavior anymore...
Spoiling an ok argument like that... What you describe (& with my emphasis) is the history and pretty much an innate characteristic of human civilization. Of humans. Of us. Demonstrably getting better over the centuries... though still far from optimal of course.
It will have a hard time getting there as long (also) as too many people are repeating to themselves such myths about ourselves and about our past. Not trying to jump over cognitive biases (check their list). Having generally quite poor grip on ourselves: the myth of "monolithic me" while split-brain patients appear almost unchanged, while we are generally closer to our peers than to ourselves at different life stages; only believing how decent memory we have, convincing ourselves about reliability of it, not remembering how little we remember (and how, when people get older, they tend to start believing myths about the greatness of their youth... not the least because it makes us feel better when faced with "frustrating" reality of how much better in fact it is "now", for most cases of "now" - this one gives tiresome political results); there's even one very localised brain trauma which results in people becoming completelly blind... without them realising it; popular harmful BS lies / myth of "we're so important, gods love us, more of us live now than have ever lived!" & ignoring 100+ billion dead homo sapiens sapiens (at least we will be similarly ignored very quickly, so there's some "balance"...)); even about how decent and freedom loving people we are (it's a bit sad how our deep need for Just World gets derailed so easily:/ )
I guess you might also envy the middle-class society from the times when you were born?
The same link mentions matrioshka (brain); also points to... Just for a start (and version of parent poster could easily result from just being a native speaker of some Slavic language or even local dialect of Russian, influencing his chosen form of romanization)
It might be also what actual masses of Sony users pretty much want and expect (almost certainly not any of "the managers are deflecting blame from themselves to the users" crap). Look at forums, etc. of actual typical users, they largely wish Sony all the best throughout the affair, and they hate all by themselves whomever has done this.
And "Anonymous" pretty much designated "itself" as such convenient target by default anyway; that's the point of hiding behind this one label for many disconnected actions, make impression of grander movement (vs. just another Judean People's Front)
Oh come on, we couldn't help but to make it into a PR farce from the start for some reason... How many people even realize the preparations were well under way by the time "the reasons" happened (and nvm slight continuity problems and how the ultimatum was a farce, also how getting in the way of some investigations possibly made those events easier)
Will remain so; despite the supposed "war of words" Pakistan (one of very few of our "allies" to quickly recognize Taliban gov; others being Kuwait and Saudis, IIRC) is safe I'm sure, ISI won't be labelled as a terrorist organisation... Pakistani ISI which fought alongside the Taliban (the largest support going towards the only mujahidin faction eager to fight not only against the Soviets) vs. the Northern Alliance, greatly contributing to them being unable to hold Afghanistan (nvm how, immediately after the "causes", "rumors" began that Iraq could have played a role; or how opium production skyrocketed after the intervention (is it already a pattern? BTW "free market"); how the compromised ISI was again, also, quick to helpfully point out their enemies, for us to deal with; how ideology is branded as an "organization", which can be obviously fought like any organization)
Admittedly such subtleties just confuse people (and the farce of October surprise in 2004 was hilarious, with OBL tape clearly designed to make reelection easier:)...well, still not on the level of Reagan team hampering Iranian hostage release efforts), what we got is so much more palatable. Just social evolution, not the "best" approaches surviving but the fittest ones... as long as it works (how many people now realize that bomber gap and missile gap were a fiction comparable to mine shaft gap? How many even heard about Team B?)
But don't paint it so into "us" vs. "them" (locally) fashion. Systems of governance are ultimately basically a reflection of society; from where do people forming them come from? It's hard to find somebody who would actually abstain from taking a piece of the cake for themselves, given the chance (not the same as just declaring they wouldn't do it; then you have virtually whole families swearing for one military member amongst them - always somebody honourable and decent; or families of some engineer or blue-collar worker, normally bitching about gov waste, always praising the work of their family member - especially when it's publicly funded, when the product provided is obviously essential and the price fair)
Their console was by far last to fall during this gen; kinda similar with Bluray (long enough vs. competition); handsets? At the least, it doesn't really seem they are worse than any random corp.. so, what, most should discard information they have or is this just the good old Sony bashing?
(btw and a bit more seriously, why is Slashdot stuck on "Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software? -- Matt Welsh" footer fortune, for the last week or so?)
Quite telling, regarding their brainfarts. The modern theory of big bang was kick-started by a priest (also a mathematician and astronomer; though such hypothesis was also very convenient for somebody who dedicated large chunk of his life to Abrahamic mythology), no problems there... (likewise with evolution, even to a "truth cannot contradict truth" degree - if tl;dr, at least check 3 sentences starting with "How do the conclusions", 2 with "It is necessary to determine", and 3 with "Today, almost half")
Of course, for most of the creationists you are probably most likely to stumble upon, they are not even protestant generally speaking, they just like calling themselves like that (just because they are not catholic, I guess? And what about that "christian" label...). Protestants do not interpret the bible literally, if you do that you are a heretic. Of course most of the heretics found their faith ridiculed in the old world and migrated to the new, but being illiterate fools, they forget they weren't even really protestant, and that they in their teachings defied the words of Martin Luther... And now, given the degree of orthodox ignorance that's required to feel in any way at home in many of the churches... (nvm how people somehow think primitive uncivilized societies of superstitious illiterates were capable of securely maintaining even proper records, short of burying stone tablets and forgetting them because of the illiterate part)
Thing is, "I hate" directed at some company is...not even wrong, they way I look at it (plus Sony is better described as a consortium; very far from monolithic, and with divisions "infighting" in a way, as far as things for which you probably "hate" them go... Sony also has one of the most open ebook ecosystems, their DAPs are one of the most open, they provide large chunk of CCDs and a NLE with fantastic bang-for-buck... both very useful to indies; and so on)
And res doesn't matter so much; what matters is that standards of digital TV are quite set...
Well, '"The real America is too weak to take on anyone except military midgets,"... why there is such hostility to such states as North Korea, Cuba, and Iraq, an underdeveloped country of 24 million exhausted by a decade of sanctions.... "theatrical media coverage...must not blind us to a fundamental reality: the size of the opponent chosen by the US is the true indicator of its current power"', supposedly (via...)
And it's not even that relevant how accurate his predictions are. More how they are representative of perceptions. Also, telling how he was apparently branded as "anti-communist" and "anti-American" by essentially the same people...
We couldn't help it but make it generally a PR farce from the start anyway, for some reason. How many people are even aware that preparations were well under way by the time "the reasons" happened? (and nvm slight continuity problems and how the ultimatum was a farce, also how getting in the way of some investigations possibly made those events easier)
And all also good reasons to invade Pakistan (one of very few of our "allies" to quickly recognize Taliban gov; others being Kuwait and Saudis, IIRC) and label ISI as a terrorist organisation, for a start... Pakistani ISI which fought alongside the Taliban (the largest support going towards the only mujahidin faction eager to fight not only against the Soviets) against the Northern Alliance, greatly contributing to them being unable to hold Afghanistan.
But don't forget how, immediately after the "causes", "rumors" began that Iraq could have played a role... Or how opium production skyrocketed after the intervention. How the compromised ISI was again, also, quick to helpfully point out their enemies, for us to deal with.
How ideology is branded as an "organization", which can be obviously fought like any organization
Oh well, admittedly such subtleties just confuse people (and the farce of October surprise in 2004 was hilarious, with OBL tape clearly designed to make reelection easier:)...well, still not on the level of Reagan team hampering Iranian hostage release efforts), what we got is so much more palatable.
How many people now realize that bomber gap and missile gap were a fiction comparable to mine shaft gap? How many even heard about Team B?
Not quite, not if they also share;p (well, there's also some short free daily period available to everybody, for "emergencies"). Ultimately... that's pretty much the only sustainable model, when pretty much everybody shares.
And if they don't, paying to you some small amount can't be bad...;) (but in seriousness, if it's about few neighbours, it could be workable to give them your "public" Fon login; even giving them free access to whole Fon network; and still logged)
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The finishing touch - probably when the ignorant Soviet generals forced a project giving "parity" with non-existent "strategic advantage" of the STS... (while their engineers wanted to do something very different)
...before it seriously got onto drawing boards) - to provoke similar Soviet project of rampant spending. Though presumably, in such case, it wouldn't be allowed to suck NASA dry for the last 2 decades... (and there was even a good opportunity to replace it after the first disaster; of course, at this point we possibly witnessed a "counter-provocation" of sorts, when Buran was prepping for "regular service"... so of course the Soviets couldn't be left with the only operational shuttle fleet)
Actually, one can wonder if that wasn't the real goal of the Shuttle (a concept sort of made obsolete, by successful automatic rendezvous,
...if I would have to guess, also with a relatively long-lasting bloodbath in the spirit of WW1; of past tactics + "future" technology (for example, say, mass-produced & mostly-autonomous "kill vehicles" of various types; with a touch of Skynet / will biological humans be able to overcome "past tactics" of...essentially their bodies? ;) )
Probably not exactly larger [1] - but yes, it is important to note they had the ability to inflict massive destruction... and yet managed to recognize they're broke and dissolve themselves mostly peacefully. I hope we could treat such outcome as a given...
;> (their "myth of past middle class glory", with a cold look at demographic data, working out pretty much exactly backwards to the cherished ideology :> )
(then there are the myths of bomber gap, missile gap, and mineshaft gap - and how, during and some time after the missile one, Soviets even had a policy of storing warheads and rockets separately; whatever Team B came up with; or one of the greatest historical ironies... Stalin: despite all the victims, a dramatic increase in life expectancy in the area (& generally bringing a very backward and impoverished semi-colonial place up to a status of a superpower - this example of rapid industrialization, and our current comfy world sort of also on the backs of Chinese (plus...), making your ironic point probably much more complex [2]); another irony: yes, strict censorship... but also the first literate generation;
and generally, how the Cold War wasn't very civilised on either side (heck, you have to count the bodies on both, to seriously start pondering...); or how the "evil Russians" probably have a deep need of maintaining buffer states due to foreign armies regularly steam-rolling through their land)
1. Of course, any "demonstration" on either side would most likely cause a full response of the other, so who exactly had a larger stick is a bit moot point.
2. Still a small fry vs. how some of the more radical ideas of "communism" appear out of myths cherished, ironically enough, typically (from what I see) most fervently by the most red-scared parts of society
http://kyon.pl/img/19371,microsoft,Skynet,skype,.html really whole new meaning...
Probably not quite "too late", not quite "everywhere" (WordPerfect also was very established at one point; and living in one of those "20+%" places, I can tell you this: hardly anybody has a problem with pirating software... and yet, it didn't keep MS Office in the position of absolute domination)
Just pointing out how the mentioned "problem" of Beijing is much less of an issue (maybe even particularly with people working on rockets; possibly proportionality unlikely to, say, protest the whole fabled military-industrial complex and its actions in the first place?)
Then if the money's good...
Hey, I didn't say free speech cages^H^H^H^H^Hzones aren't better...
"Human rights oppression" aren't really much of a concern for such workers; same as they don't have to concern themselves much with the fate of, say, underclass prison workers at home.
But generally, there are solutions working better... GTalk most notably (as attested for example by one of my buddies who very much prefers it over Skype - on way over-shared, wireless-connected LAN inside of EU on one end; with his family on not-really-56k dial-up inside of CIS on the other)
Hm, similar with video conferencing...
the laser reflectors should tell anyone that Apollo did land on the moon
As did the Lunokhod rovers with their laser reflectors... (in short: while there are very good reasons why Apollo landings happened - crazed crash projects they were - reflectors are not one of them; also... you're surprised how an earthquake with epicentre few dozen meters away can brought down a building, and in what direction gravity generally works if you drop a large chunk of mass from top portion of a skyscraper?)
CCC might be getting too much leverage for itself to be just closed... (not only ZTE sneaked into top5 of phone manufacturers, their ZTE Blade is rather nice overall & for the price in particular)
"2011 isn't over yet" until Amazon releases something which will probably take over (most likely being rather nice at the same time)
"We need oil now"? Who is that "we"? There are more pressing priorities than "theyr takk'n our jubbs!" of small spoiled part of human population, consumed by... consumptionism
"Many decades" is a dream when we already use 3 million years worth of oil in 1 year. And BTW, jets could work on algae / etc. fuel, generally one which is produced using other energy source.
Then let us not forget about all the unaccounted externalities of burning fossil fuels, and how much we "invest" in welfare of oil giants.
It's even more odd, it would seem (the best part of course: which side of the political spectrum more typically subscribes to this myth and its implications)
...I emphasize good and honest because that is what lacks in today's world. It is easier to lie to an uneducated populous, it is easier to sale crap to unsuspecting people and it is becoming acceptable to look the other way when people cheat on the market. As a society we don;t enforce basic laws or immoral behavior anymore...
Spoiling an ok argument like that... What you describe (& with my emphasis) is the history and pretty much an innate characteristic of human civilization. Of humans. Of us. Demonstrably getting better over the centuries... though still far from optimal of course.
:/ )
It will have a hard time getting there as long (also) as too many people are repeating to themselves such myths about ourselves and about our past. Not trying to jump over cognitive biases (check their list). Having generally quite poor grip on ourselves: the myth of "monolithic me" while split-brain patients appear almost unchanged, while we are generally closer to our peers than to ourselves at different life stages; only believing how decent memory we have, convincing ourselves about reliability of it, not remembering how little we remember (and how, when people get older, they tend to start believing myths about the greatness of their youth... not the least because it makes us feel better when faced with "frustrating" reality of how much better in fact it is "now", for most cases of "now" - this one gives tiresome political results); there's even one very localised brain trauma which results in people becoming completelly blind... without them realising it; popular harmful BS lies / myth of "we're so important, gods love us, more of us live now than have ever lived!" & ignoring 100+ billion dead homo sapiens sapiens (at least we will be similarly ignored very quickly, so there's some "balance"...)); even about how decent and freedom loving people we are (it's a bit sad how our deep need for Just World gets derailed so easily
I guess you might also envy the middle-class society from the times when you were born?
The same link mentions matrioshka (brain); also points to... Just for a start (and version of parent poster could easily result from just being a native speaker of some Slavic language or even local dialect of Russian, influencing his chosen form of romanization)
It might be also what actual masses of Sony users pretty much want and expect (almost certainly not any of "the managers are deflecting blame from themselves to the users" crap). Look at forums, etc. of actual typical users, they largely wish Sony all the best throughout the affair, and they hate all by themselves whomever has done this.
And "Anonymous" pretty much designated "itself" as such convenient target by default anyway; that's the point of hiding behind this one label for many disconnected actions, make impression of grander movement (vs. just another Judean People's Front)
Oh come on, we couldn't help but to make it into a PR farce from the start for some reason... How many people even realize the preparations were well under way by the time "the reasons" happened (and nvm slight continuity problems and how the ultimatum was a farce, also how getting in the way of some investigations possibly made those events easier)
:) ...well, still not on the level of Reagan team hampering Iranian hostage release efforts), what we got is so much more palatable. Just social evolution, not the "best" approaches surviving but the fittest ones... as long as it works (how many people now realize that bomber gap and missile gap were a fiction comparable to mine shaft gap? How many even heard about Team B?)
Will remain so; despite the supposed "war of words" Pakistan (one of very few of our "allies" to quickly recognize Taliban gov; others being Kuwait and Saudis, IIRC) is safe I'm sure, ISI won't be labelled as a terrorist organisation... Pakistani ISI which fought alongside the Taliban (the largest support going towards the only mujahidin faction eager to fight not only against the Soviets) vs. the Northern Alliance, greatly contributing to them being unable to hold Afghanistan (nvm how, immediately after the "causes", "rumors" began that Iraq could have played a role; or how opium production skyrocketed after the intervention (is it already a pattern? BTW "free market"); how the compromised ISI was again, also, quick to helpfully point out their enemies, for us to deal with; how ideology is branded as an "organization", which can be obviously fought like any organization)
Admittedly such subtleties just confuse people (and the farce of October surprise in 2004 was hilarious, with OBL tape clearly designed to make reelection easier
But don't paint it so into "us" vs. "them" (locally) fashion. Systems of governance are ultimately basically a reflection of society; from where do people forming them come from? It's hard to find somebody who would actually abstain from taking a piece of the cake for themselves, given the chance (not the same as just declaring they wouldn't do it; then you have virtually whole families swearing for one military member amongst them - always somebody honourable and decent; or families of some engineer or blue-collar worker, normally bitching about gov waste, always praising the work of their family member - especially when it's publicly funded, when the product provided is obviously essential and the price fair)
Their console was by far last to fall during this gen; kinda similar with Bluray (long enough vs. competition); handsets? At the least, it doesn't really seem they are worse than any random corp.. so, what, most should discard information they have or is this just the good old Sony bashing?
(btw and a bit more seriously, why is Slashdot stuck on "Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software? -- Matt Welsh" footer fortune, for the last week or so?)
Quite telling, regarding their brainfarts. The modern theory of big bang was kick-started by a priest (also a mathematician and astronomer; though such hypothesis was also very convenient for somebody who dedicated large chunk of his life to Abrahamic mythology), no problems there... (likewise with evolution, even to a "truth cannot contradict truth" degree - if tl;dr, at least check 3 sentences starting with "How do the conclusions", 2 with "It is necessary to determine", and 3 with "Today, almost half")
Of course, for most of the creationists you are probably most likely to stumble upon, they are not even protestant generally speaking, they just like calling themselves like that (just because they are not catholic, I guess? And what about that "christian" label...). Protestants do not interpret the bible literally, if you do that you are a heretic. Of course most of the heretics found their faith ridiculed in the old world and migrated to the new, but being illiterate fools, they forget they weren't even really protestant, and that they in their teachings defied the words of Martin Luther... And now, given the degree of orthodox ignorance that's required to feel in any way at home in many of the churches... (nvm how people somehow think primitive uncivilized societies of superstitious illiterates were capable of securely maintaining even proper records, short of burying stone tablets and forgetting them because of the illiterate part)
In other words, even not RTFS...
Thing is, "I hate" directed at some company is...not even wrong, they way I look at it (plus Sony is better described as a consortium; very far from monolithic, and with divisions "infighting" in a way, as far as things for which you probably "hate" them go... Sony also has one of the most open ebook ecosystems, their DAPs are one of the most open, they provide large chunk of CCDs and a NLE with fantastic bang-for-buck... both very useful to indies; and so on)
And res doesn't matter so much; what matters is that standards of digital TV are quite set...
Well, '"The real America is too weak to take on anyone except military midgets," ... why there is such hostility to such states as North Korea, Cuba, and Iraq, an underdeveloped country of 24 million exhausted by a decade of sanctions. ... "theatrical media coverage...must not blind us to a fundamental reality: the size of the opponent chosen by the US is the true indicator of its current power"', supposedly (via...)
And it's not even that relevant how accurate his predictions are. More how they are representative of perceptions. Also, telling how he was apparently branded as "anti-communist" and "anti-American" by essentially the same people...
We couldn't help it but make it generally a PR farce from the start anyway, for some reason. How many people are even aware that preparations were well under way by the time "the reasons" happened? (and nvm slight continuity problems and how the ultimatum was a farce, also how getting in the way of some investigations possibly made those events easier)
:) ...well, still not on the level of Reagan team hampering Iranian hostage release efforts), what we got is so much more palatable.
And all also good reasons to invade Pakistan (one of very few of our "allies" to quickly recognize Taliban gov; others being Kuwait and Saudis, IIRC) and label ISI as a terrorist organisation, for a start... Pakistani ISI which fought alongside the Taliban (the largest support going towards the only mujahidin faction eager to fight not only against the Soviets) against the Northern Alliance, greatly contributing to them being unable to hold Afghanistan.
But don't forget how, immediately after the "causes", "rumors" began that Iraq could have played a role... Or how opium production skyrocketed after the intervention. How the compromised ISI was again, also, quick to helpfully point out their enemies, for us to deal with.
How ideology is branded as an "organization", which can be obviously fought like any organization
Oh well, admittedly such subtleties just confuse people (and the farce of October surprise in 2004 was hilarious, with OBL tape clearly designed to make reelection easier
How many people now realize that bomber gap and missile gap were a fiction comparable to mine shaft gap? How many even heard about Team B?
Not quite, not if they also share ;p (well, there's also some short free daily period available to everybody, for "emergencies"). Ultimately... that's pretty much the only sustainable model, when pretty much everybody shares.
;) (but in seriousness, if it's about few neighbours, it could be workable to give them your "public" Fon login; even giving them free access to whole Fon network; and still logged)
And if they don't, paying to you some small amount can't be bad...