I think the whole point is, you'd have one machine doing nearly everything. Have one LPAR running/DB\/?2/ maybe running some legacy cics/cobol apps, have another one running linux as a webserver / samba server. It can talk to the db2 server with a ridiculously high-bandwidth connection. need another server for something, or want a test environment? Just fire off another one.
MVS, while unpleasant at best, from a user's perspctive, has power roughly equivalent to an aircraft carrier. If you want to abuse that metaphor a little (and I do), maybe linux is the fleet of planes based off that carrier?
Anyway, we have some big iron here where I (for the next week at least) work, and there are aspects of it that rock nads. It's uber-reliable, and relatively low cost, in some respects. For companies that already use mainframes, this is simply beyond cool. We all know how well linux integrates with disparate systems. MVS is about as poor at that as linux is good, so this could be a piece which ties everything together.
OTOH, the WinCE devices were designed to play MP3's, MPEG's, and generally to be impress-the-chicks devices.
Are chicks really impressed by gizmos? It's a shame they're not because that would make things easier, but evidence shows that sadly, they are not. The stuff that impresses geeks simply does nothing for chicks (implicitly assuming that {chicks} intersect {geeks} is {}).
I live in chicago and I remember for a while the mass transit system had billboards saying "consider us your second car" with a picture of a big 'ol train in the garage. My first reaction was "man, I'd get all the chicks if I really had a train in my garage", but then I realized that simply wasn't true.
Overall, the pocket pc is probably a better machine. You can do a lot more with it. It looks like quite an impressive piece of equipment.
Overall, what it boils down to is, what do you want this thing for? To look important and impress clients/cow-orkers/chicks? To act as a pc substitute? As an organizer?
I have a palm V, which is what I want. I want something to keep addresses/phonenumbers/appointments in, and it has to fit in my pocket. The pocket PC is just a little more than I'm willing to carry 24x7. Definitely compelling though. It would be great for travelling and such, but I'd hate to keep up with it all the time.
I'm distressed by the trend to use songs, old movies, famous people, famous dead people and such in ads. That mountain dew commercial with the reworded bohemian rhapsody made me mad. Seems like a trend that's been going on for a while. Like the wizard of oz fedex ad. Or the budweiser ad a few years ago with john wayne footage. I don't know why but it irritates me to see a company using john wayne's image without his permission (for obvious reasons) to sell stuff. Anyway, that's my $.02 on the subject. As for good commercials, I like the "we just wasted 2 million bucks" etrade commercial, and the commercial with god and the tabasco sauce.
I cut my teeth on heinlein. My most vivid reading memory was reading _have spacesuit, will travel_ in the 5th grade.
Required heinlein is spacesuit (sentimental), time enough for love (lazarus long is my favorite character in all of SF), Job: A comedy of justice (possibly his best), and the moon is a harsh mistress. Skip stranger unless you like his style, and skip the later stuff (the cat who walks through walls, # of the beast, etc.) unless you really like his style.
One of my favorites that I've not seen mentioned is david gerrold (infamous for the "tribbles" episode of star trek). His "war against the chtorr" series is amazing. Irritating at times, but huge, epic, thought-provoking, and sometimes downrigiht amazing.
I just wish he'd get off his proverbial ass and finish the 5th book. I read the first two, waited a year for #3, then waited about 4 years for #4. It's been about 6 since that one. His website says Real Soon Now, but he's been saying that fora while.
what if intertwining allows an outside entity to "eavesdrop" on your use of this product? I'd say that's a pretty significant risk which is not addressed here. Legally, shouldn't they advise the end-users of this possibility?
I carry a wenger simply because their scissors _work_. They have this nifty springless mechanism which doesn't break or bind as easily as the springed ones. Very slick, and apparantly patented.
I do like the knife blade a touch better on the victorinox though.
The crucial point you make is that what is really not so clear to businesses is that open source can be a viable product of a business.
I'd say it's obvious that viable business models for free software exist (the support model (ala redhat) being the most obvious and oft-discussed). But, these models are radically different for models used in the software industry, and must look somewhat alien to a microsoft or a sun (witness the "community source license"), when they think of the software itself as being their core asset.
Until it becomes obvious, through prior example, that a company can thrive as a company that produces software, and be compliant with all the principles of Open Source software, few big companies with a vested interest in the proprietary/ownership model are going to do anything other than posture and try to 'jump on the bandwagon.'
I see the trend as moving towards software as a service/commodity rather than as a product. That's probably not exactly a blinding revelation. But with examples like redhat, IBM, mozilla and such, it should become more apparant to the corporate mindset that this idea can work.
Talk is indeed cheap, but since open source or free software don't fit anywhere in traditional business models (not only are they not a piece in the box with the other jigsaw puzzle pieces, they're in another aisle completely. Maybe even a different store), it's a rational response from corporations. Rational -> Right is not necessarily true.
Maybe in a few years, if genuine openness proves (as many here think it will) to be a profitable, genuine business model, then corporations will start to come around. If not, expect them to follow the money. What else can they do?
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I think the whole point is, you'd have one machine doing nearly everything. Have one LPAR running /DB\/?2/ maybe running some legacy cics/cobol apps, have another one running linux as a webserver / samba server. It can talk to the db2 server with a ridiculously high-bandwidth connection. need another server for something, or want a test environment? Just fire off another one.
MVS, while unpleasant at best, from a user's perspctive, has power roughly equivalent to an aircraft carrier. If you want to abuse that metaphor a little (and I do), maybe linux is the fleet of planes based off that carrier?
Anyway, we have some big iron here where I (for the next week at least) work, and there are aspects of it that rock nads. It's uber-reliable, and relatively low cost, in some respects. For companies that already use mainframes, this is simply beyond cool. We all know how well linux integrates with disparate systems. MVS is about as poor at that as linux is good, so this could be a piece which ties everything together.
Think of how dumb the average person is. By definition, half of the population is dumber than that...
Technically, wouldn't that be the median?
OTOH, the WinCE devices were designed to play MP3's, MPEG's, and generally to be impress-the-chicks devices.
Are chicks really impressed by gizmos? It's a shame they're not because that would make things easier, but evidence shows that sadly, they are not. The stuff that impresses geeks simply does nothing for chicks (implicitly assuming that {chicks} intersect {geeks} is {}).
I live in chicago and I remember for a while the mass transit system had billboards saying "consider us your second car" with a picture of a big 'ol train in the garage. My first reaction was "man, I'd get all the chicks if I really had a train in my garage", but then I realized that simply wasn't true.
Overall, the pocket pc is probably a better machine. You can do a lot more with it. It looks like quite an impressive piece of equipment.
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Overall, what it boils down to is, what do you want this thing for? To look important and impress clients/cow-orkers/chicks? To act as a pc substitute? As an organizer?
I have a palm V, which is what I want. I want something to keep addresses/phonenumbers/appointments in, and it has to fit in my pocket. The pocket PC is just a little more than I'm willing to carry 24x7. Definitely compelling though. It would be great for travelling and such, but I'd hate to keep up with it all the time.
A palm V with an mp3 player would be perfect.
Or just an HP 48 GX
well, if you want to be semantic, a beowulf cluster of beowulf clusters is kind of redundant.
Instead of referring to the post itself as redundant, maybe the moderator was referring to the content of the post. Oh heck, I don't know.
I'm distressed by the trend to use songs, old movies, famous people, famous dead people and such in ads. That mountain dew commercial with the reworded bohemian rhapsody made me mad. Seems like a trend that's been going on for a while. Like the wizard of oz fedex ad. Or the budweiser ad a few years ago with john wayne footage. I don't know why but it irritates me to see a company using john wayne's image without his permission (for obvious reasons) to sell stuff. Anyway, that's my $.02 on the subject. As for good commercials, I like the "we just wasted 2 million bucks" etrade commercial, and the commercial with god and the tabasco sauce.
I cut my teeth on heinlein. My most vivid reading memory was reading _have spacesuit, will travel_ in the 5th grade.
Required heinlein is spacesuit (sentimental), time enough for love (lazarus long is my favorite character in all of SF), Job: A comedy of justice (possibly his best), and the moon is a harsh mistress. Skip stranger unless you like his style, and skip the later stuff (the cat who walks through walls, # of the beast, etc.) unless you really like his style.
One of my favorites that I've not seen mentioned is david gerrold (infamous for the "tribbles" episode of star trek). His "war against the chtorr" series is amazing. Irritating at times, but huge, epic, thought-provoking, and sometimes downrigiht amazing.
I just wish he'd get off his proverbial ass and finish the 5th book. I read the first two, waited a year for #3, then waited about 4 years for #4. It's been about 6 since that one. His website says Real Soon Now, but he's been saying that fora while.
Does this work with a socks server (win NT)? I haven't done much digging yet.
I set network.hosts.socks_server and network.proxy.type just like my old prefs, but I still can't load anything from the outside world.
Setting netowrk.proxy.http and http_port won't work, I wouldn't think.
what if intertwining allows an outside entity to "eavesdrop" on your use of this product? I'd say that's a pretty significant risk which is not addressed here. Legally, shouldn't they advise the end-users of this possibility?
I carry a wenger simply because their scissors _work_. They have this nifty springless mechanism which doesn't break or bind as easily as the springed ones. Very slick, and apparantly patented.
I do like the knife blade a touch better on the victorinox though.
The crucial point you make is that what is really not so clear to businesses is that open source can be a viable product of a business.
I'd say it's obvious that viable business models for free software exist (the support model (ala redhat) being the most obvious and oft-discussed). But, these models are radically different for models used in the software industry, and must look somewhat alien to a microsoft or a sun (witness the "community source license"), when they think of the software itself as being their core asset.
Until it becomes obvious, through prior example, that a company can thrive as a company that produces software, and be compliant with all the principles of Open Source software, few big companies with a vested interest in the proprietary/ownership model are going to do anything other than posture and try to 'jump on the bandwagon.'
I see the trend as moving towards software as a service/commodity rather than as a product. That's probably not exactly a blinding revelation. But with examples like redhat, IBM, mozilla and such, it should become more apparant to the corporate mindset that this idea can work.
Talk is indeed cheap, but since open source or free software don't fit anywhere in traditional business models (not only are they not a piece in the box with the other jigsaw puzzle pieces, they're in another aisle completely. Maybe even a different store), it's a rational response from corporations. Rational -> Right is not necessarily true.
Maybe in a few years, if genuine openness proves (as many here think it will) to be a profitable, genuine business model, then corporations will start to come around. If not, expect them to follow the money. What else can they do?
The haloween documents (granted, just a study, not company policy) implied that FUD tactics wouldn't work against free software.
Halloween I, quote #4.
I guess that's not the official line?