You're saying that if I have evidence that Senator Fogbound has taken millions of dollars in bribes from some industry in return for some favorable laws, I have therefore done something illegal and should be 'silenced'?
Actually I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is that if you are so paranoid and afraid of your government that you would feel you would need to hide behind a vail of anonymity to reveal such information then it may be best for you to find another country to reside in. On the other hand if you have aquired that information through illegal means as a form of national espionage then maybe you do have something to fear as you have broken the laws of the country you are in. Barring a few situtations where the actions of the government are suspect, often times taken without full knowledge of the situation, the US government does not hunt down it's citizens for speaking freely.
So the text of the Constitution is telling you that you have rights beyond what's in the text of the Constitution!
Iterestingly enough I agree with with you there. I find it more disturbing that the constitution and it's amendments are often taken as a way to restrict rights. Take this line from the 26th amendment: The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. This does not say that those not of 18 years of age can't vote, just that those above can, yet for some reason citizens under 18 can't vote.
On the other hand there validity to the argument that not all things a person feels should be a protected right is a protected right. Privacy is not mentioned once in the constitution for or against, and the supreme court did not say that we do not have a right to privacy, or anonymity, just that the constitution does not protect it and you would have to find another argument, or petition the Government through normal channels to make privacy a protected right.
Lets read the entire first paragraph of the 14th amendment why don't we. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The only part in this ammendment paragraph that applies to all people is that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property. Other than those things any state may abridge the privileges or immunities of non-citizens all they want, constitutionally speaking. non-citizens have no constitutional right to govermnet subsides or public transportation, or equal opportunity (which true are not specifically mentioned in the constitution but could be restricted by a state).
I'm not going to get into my personal belief on the constitution any further, I'm just making a literal inturpretation of the words.
I can start with the inturpretation of the first line of the consitution, which states "We the Peopl of the United States". and the defenition of citizen is "A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation." I would take that to mean the that the constitution is of and about the citizens of the US. But that is just an aside.
The following are all references to the word citizen
Article 1: Section 2
Article 1: Section 3
Article 2: Section 1
Article 2: Section 2
Article 4: Section 2
Amendment 11
Amendment 14 - This is the critical one, read the part about abridging the rights of citizens.
Amendment 15
Amendment 19
Amendment 24
Amendment 26
On the other hand there are no references to privacy or any such right to it in the constitution at all. There is a right to private property, but that is well know just a way for the rich to maintain their riches.
>> Then again I still hold to the idea that the only people who want to hide behind anonymity are people that have something to hide that they should not be.
You mean like people who want to say something very important, but don't want their wife and child shot by snipers in response?
If you are that afraid of your government that you think they may shoot your wife and children for something you say I would suggest moving to another country, or seeking psychiatric care. And if you have information the governement doesn't want you to have you probably did something illegal to get it, and therefor have something to hide that you shouldn't be.
Yes I am aware of the over seas actions your talking about, but those are not US citizens and not protected by the constitution anyway (I don't agree that it is the right way to be, but it does not violate the consitution).
I have a copy of the constitution in front on me as I speak this. The constitution applies to the citizens of the united states only. In theory to enforce that we would all need verifiable documentation at all times that proves we are citizens if we want protection of rights under the constitution. Personally I think it should take more than ID to get onto what is essentially a manned bomb. I'm not paranoid but I do like the idea of safety.
Then again I still hold to the idea that the only people who want to hide behind anonymity are people that have something to hide that they should not be.
I think was kind of my point. The quality of a product does not equate to the profit of the company. And at least here in the US, the majority of the people, being below the poverty level (nearly 90% are below the average income/wealth level), tend to purchase cheap crap that will get thrown away and actually cost more in the long run because it is the only way to achieve instant gratification.
I as just saying that the idea that making a good product and turning a good profit do not necessarily correlate.
Here's a hint for all you future entrepreneurs: the only thing that will keep you profitable is to keep your customers happy and offer them a consistency in your performance -- product quality and customer service. Ignore the trends, the fads and trying to sell everything to everyone
Yea! and what every you do, don't look at the huge success of the poor quality, moderate service and low profits of the likes of WalMart. I mean right there is proof that selling products that are mostly broken before you even get them out of the box for penies, is a poor buisness practice.
What? Someone reading over my shoulder just told me that WalMart is highly succesfully and has taking great strides to crush competitors with higher quality products, even going as far as push the once high quality american made Rubermaid company to ship all it's work over seas to be made from inferior plastics and shody workmanship. The only thing I can think is that they most have made a deal with the devil to make those kinds of profits.
Either that or most people don't give a shit about quality and want to throw away there hard earn fraction of a share in the economy on cheap crap. It's all about more, not better.
Yes, I have seen an HDTV's picture. Yes, I have 20/15 vision. No, I cannot see what the big fucking deal is.
You may want to get your vision checked again, because my vision is nowhere even close to that good and I can see the difference with a simple glance.
Seriously though I'm not talking about standard def signal upconverted to HD (480i to 1080i), I'm talking about a HD signal through an HD display (1080i or 1080p). I personally almost feel ill watching even 480p images. There is a graininess to it that I find bothersome after having watch significant HD images. I pretty much avoid games that can't produce atleast 480p and have an upconverting DVD player (which is really not worth all that). Once I have the option to use a pure HD signal for everything (TV, gaming, DVD) I most certainly will.
Then again I also notice the the sound quality difference betwen music played through hundred dollare equipment at thay played through thousand dollar equipment.
Anyone who says that Hi Defenition DVD (which ever type) is not going to succeed has never seen the difference between standard and Hi Def images. Either format could be successful since more and more people by Hi-Def TVs every day, and in a few years you will not have a choce. Sitting around with a few thousand dollars in HD TV that you are not using is perceived as a waste by most people and HD DVDs will be a much better use than watchin the Latest Law and Order in HD.
Bitching about this from the industry is not going to change this. It's up to them to change to fit our demands.
You are half right. Bitching by anyone is not going to change it, but the companies do not have to change to fit the demands of the buyer, only the demand of the buyer. The game industry has determined the max amount they can reasonably expect buyers to pay for new games (new being the only thing they make money on). The best change they could make is to change the licensing to outlaw resale, which is totally possible and will happen.
There is some basic economy you have to understand here, that reduction of price does not necessarily increase the buyers ability to increase demand. Used prices would go down along with the new prices, once again make used a bargain and resale a benifit to the buyer, not the producer.
If they could make more money by raising prices, why don't they do so already?
You are correct they have not increased price, instead, as the article said, they reduce cost. Reduction of cost happens by reusing old code, easy to implement story lines, shorter and less enjoyable games. I find this as much from consumers willingness to buy crap as I do the effect of used resales.
Companies are in the business of making as much money as possible...
Companies (many, not all) are in the business of making as much "margin" or "net" as possible. Some companies who were more concerned with wuality of product (i.e. WorkingDesigns) Have been forced to leave the game industry because people are not willing to pay for quality.
Hey that's a great attitude. To bad that by pointing this stuff out the prices are not going to change. It is very costly for high quality original game to be produced. What is more likely to happen, if people continue to make the majority of there purchases second hand, is that the game companies will have to change licensing and make games only playable on a single machine. Personally I don't buy things I will only use once (specially games), so I don't find myself selling any of them.
I have had this debate many times in the past. And as much as I agree that the price point of games is probably too high, buying second hand games and complaining is not going to make things better, it will make things worse. The more second hand games we buy, the more publishers have to increase price to compensate. The same thing goes for other artistic media, such as books.
Now a better solution would be if retailers would share part of the rediculous mark up they add to used media with the publishers/manufactures/developers/writers. This approach would allow the price of games to drop over time, allow reuse of a product that would otherwise just be sitting around, and not take to much away from those doing the work.
Either that or socialize the market and then we don't have this issue anymore.
Apple execs are probably sitting around right now really pissed off that their plan to show the insecurities of windows has failed, and in turn backfired on one of their allies (all be it unseen).
How is it that everytime the root kit comes up, Microsoft comes out squeaky clean even though they were the ones who created a system so easily exploited?
You realize that includes information about your personal habits and what you do in your own home. And you may actually beleive that is ok (as do I), but alot of people have this felling that even if they have nothing to hide they should be able to. I say screw it, lets put web cams in every room on every house and make it all publically available at all times. Hey, if you can't do it/say it in front of the public then don't do it at all. (This goes for our world leaders as well)
Hey thanks for the support. But you are risking your karma being in my corner. I have this nasty habit of pointing out painful truths and getting the infamous Funny/Flamebait or Insightful/Troll mod. But atleast it did inspire me to finally set up a signature for my posts (not that it will stay long).
I have my PoweBook set up as a "complete dev enviroment." including all the following:
- Java, PHP and others (built in languages)
- C, C++ and many others (through Apple Developer tools)
- J2EE (Jboss) with Macromedia Coldfusion running on top
- MySQL Or Remote connection to MSSQL (including multiple GUI Admin and dev tools). You could probably run MSSQL in Virtual PC but I don't know why you would want to.
I would say that is a fairly complete dev enviroment, and it works very well.
One at work, one in the home office, two for the kids, and a laptop, and they're done.
I'm not trying to start anything here but do you really think this would happen. How many households have 4 seperate general purpose computers(Not one work and one play) used by 4 different people(not one geek with 4 computers) all with the same taste in music? heck I bet you would find it hard to find even 1% of the populous having a household with 4 MP3 players, used by 4 different people all with the same taste in music.
DRM doesn't bother most people. It does not interfere with "normal" usage (excpet when poorly implemented as was done by Sony recently). It does interfere with copying and distributing (things usually done by criminals and not the average person). Outside of the/. community I rarely hear mention of DRM.
It's been a ploy all alog. Microsoft gets IBM to make chips for thier latest venture. Microsoft uses questionable buisness practices to cause IBM to lose revenue (or increase expense), possibly by blaming thier up coming failure in the console world on IBM. IBM share holders become afraid of potential lose and sell shares. Microsoft purchases shares of IBM and becomes major share holder. New Microsoft microprocessor division is formed from the old IBM company. Microsoft claims Power architecture better and faster than x86 and drops support of x86. Apple and IBM continue as competitors (which isn't so bad actually) by swapping chip vendors.
Originally I thought this scenario was going to be a bad thing (even if it is just a joke), but after thinking about it, I like it. It could mean cell based PCs and a reworking of windows into something more secure and enjoyable to use. It would also force Sony to find a new chip manufacture for it's next console potentially creating a new and more powerful architecture.
This is all bullshit speculation, but fun to think about anyway.
I too have a TiPowerBook and have had only one problem with it, and that is the battery life. I still have all the original parts and it still looks and works perfectly (3 years later), except the battery dies in anywhere from 5min to 40 min of use and seems to be pretty darn random. Oh I did have to replace my power cord. This is my only computer and use it for both home (including many wasted hours playing diablo II of all things) and some work (I'm a developer so when I can I use my PowerBook but sometimes that just isn't possible). So far it has been the most solid peice of machinery I have ever owned (though I do own a first gen ps2 that only failed me once and that was fixed for free).
My wife also has an iBook that has put in a good two year, after the first monitor was replace becuase of the whole white spot issue.
I might just be lucky with technology, but for my money Apple makes a solid product.
I was going to Mod this interesting but decided, after reading the responses, to comment instead>
I can agree with all the commentators that the parent post is not informative. I'm not a scientist or phycisist (thought I play one on slashdot and other blogs), so I 'll accept that the parent may be incorect in his, theoretical, use of microwaves to write to magnetic media based on the other commentary. But even if the parent is incorrect it does not make the post any less interesting or any more of a troll. Interst has nothing to do with accuracy, and Troll, according to everyones favorite reference is some one "who post inflammatory messages". I see nothing particualarly inflammatory about the parent post. Just because you disagree does not make it inflammatory.
It comes down to how well you can compartmentalize the project. I don't beleive in building any enterprise size application from the ground up. You build the peices from the ground up. In architecture you don't start with raw iron and build a building from it. You create steal from the iron, create girders from the steal and then start to construct the buildings frame from the girders. If you can, you buy prefab parts as much as possible (if they truely fit the intended purpose). For application development it should be the same. If you know your appliation is going to use a certain set up algorithms, you get those writen, working and tested first. You do things like build the master loop first (which many modern development environments take care of for you already) and then plug completely tested peices into that. Too often projects are designed so that the peices can not be tested seperately, and this leads to alot of trouble. In the end, no mater how you look at it, you do things in the tried and true waterfall approach. You may go though many iterations of the waterfall, and you might have to do it for many components, but if you are not doing it at all you are probably bound to fail.
Even RUP is waterfall.
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You're saying that if I have evidence that Senator Fogbound has taken millions of dollars in bribes from some industry in return for some favorable laws, I have therefore done something illegal and should be 'silenced'?
Actually I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is that if you are so paranoid and afraid of your government that you would feel you would need to hide behind a vail of anonymity to reveal such information then it may be best for you to find another country to reside in. On the other hand if you have aquired that information through illegal means as a form of national espionage then maybe you do have something to fear as you have broken the laws of the country you are in. Barring a few situtations where the actions of the government are suspect, often times taken without full knowledge of the situation, the US government does not hunt down it's citizens for speaking freely.
So the text of the Constitution is telling you that you have rights beyond what's in the text of the Constitution!
Iterestingly enough I agree with with you there. I find it more disturbing that the constitution and it's amendments are often taken as a way to restrict rights. Take this line from the 26th amendment: The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. This does not say that those not of 18 years of age can't vote, just that those above can, yet for some reason citizens under 18 can't vote.
On the other hand there validity to the argument that not all things a person feels should be a protected right is a protected right. Privacy is not mentioned once in the constitution for or against, and the supreme court did not say that we do not have a right to privacy, or anonymity, just that the constitution does not protect it and you would have to find another argument, or petition the Government through normal channels to make privacy a protected right.
Lets read the entire first paragraph of the 14th amendment why don't we.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The only part in this ammendment paragraph that applies to all people is that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property. Other than those things any state may abridge the privileges or immunities of non-citizens all they want, constitutionally speaking. non-citizens have no constitutional right to govermnet subsides or public transportation, or equal opportunity (which true are not specifically mentioned in the constitution but could be restricted by a state).
I'm not going to get into my personal belief on the constitution any further, I'm just making a literal inturpretation of the words.
The following are all references to the word citizen
On the other hand there are no references to privacy or any such right to it in the constitution at all. There is a right to private property, but that is well know just a way for the rich to maintain their riches.
>> Then again I still hold to the idea that the only people who want to hide behind anonymity are people that have something to hide that they should not be. You mean like people who want to say something very important, but don't want their wife and child shot by snipers in response? If you are that afraid of your government that you think they may shoot your wife and children for something you say I would suggest moving to another country, or seeking psychiatric care. And if you have information the governement doesn't want you to have you probably did something illegal to get it, and therefor have something to hide that you shouldn't be.
Yes I am aware of the over seas actions your talking about, but those are not US citizens and not protected by the constitution anyway (I don't agree that it is the right way to be, but it does not violate the consitution).
I have a copy of the constitution in front on me as I speak this. The constitution applies to the citizens of the united states only. In theory to enforce that we would all need verifiable documentation at all times that proves we are citizens if we want protection of rights under the constitution. Personally I think it should take more than ID to get onto what is essentially a manned bomb. I'm not paranoid but I do like the idea of safety.
Then again I still hold to the idea that the only people who want to hide behind anonymity are people that have something to hide that they should not be.
I think was kind of my point. The quality of a product does not equate to the profit of the company. And at least here in the US, the majority of the people, being below the poverty level (nearly 90% are below the average income/wealth level), tend to purchase cheap crap that will get thrown away and actually cost more in the long run because it is the only way to achieve instant gratification.
I as just saying that the idea that making a good product and turning a good profit do not necessarily correlate.
Here's a hint for all you future entrepreneurs: the only thing that will keep you profitable is to keep your customers happy and offer them a consistency in your performance -- product quality and customer service. Ignore the trends, the fads and trying to sell everything to everyone
Yea! and what every you do, don't look at the huge success of the poor quality, moderate service and low profits of the likes of WalMart. I mean right there is proof that selling products that are mostly broken before you even get them out of the box for penies, is a poor buisness practice.
What? Someone reading over my shoulder just told me that WalMart is highly succesfully and has taking great strides to crush competitors with higher quality products, even going as far as push the once high quality american made Rubermaid company to ship all it's work over seas to be made from inferior plastics and shody workmanship. The only thing I can think is that they most have made a deal with the devil to make those kinds of profits.
Either that or most people don't give a shit about quality and want to throw away there hard earn fraction of a share in the economy on cheap crap. It's all about more, not better.
I mean that to be this:
But will the blu-ray DVD's have a root kit?
Only when played on Microsoft Windows.
yes it makes big difference that way (quote befor the comment and all)
Yes, I have seen an HDTV's picture. Yes, I have 20/15 vision. No, I cannot see what the big fucking deal is.
You may want to get your vision checked again, because my vision is nowhere even close to that good and I can see the difference with a simple glance.
Seriously though I'm not talking about standard def signal upconverted to HD (480i to 1080i), I'm talking about a HD signal through an HD display (1080i or 1080p). I personally almost feel ill watching even 480p images. There is a graininess to it that I find bothersome after having watch significant HD images. I pretty much avoid games that can't produce atleast 480p and have an upconverting DVD player (which is really not worth all that). Once I have the option to use a pure HD signal for everything (TV, gaming, DVD) I most certainly will.
Then again I also notice the the sound quality difference betwen music played through hundred dollare equipment at thay played through thousand dollar equipment.
Anyone who says that Hi Defenition DVD (which ever type) is not going to succeed has never seen the difference between standard and Hi Def images. Either format could be successful since more and more people by Hi-Def TVs every day, and in a few years you will not have a choce. Sitting around with a few thousand dollars in HD TV that you are not using is perceived as a waste by most people and HD DVDs will be a much better use than watchin the Latest Law and Order in HD.
Only when played on Microsoft Windows.
But will the blu-ray DVD's have a root kit?
Bitching about this from the industry is not going to change this. It's up to them to change to fit our demands.
You are half right. Bitching by anyone is not going to change it, but the companies do not have to change to fit the demands of the buyer, only the demand of the buyer. The game industry has determined the max amount they can reasonably expect buyers to pay for new games (new being the only thing they make money on). The best change they could make is to change the licensing to outlaw resale, which is totally possible and will happen.
There is some basic economy you have to understand here, that reduction of price does not necessarily increase the buyers ability to increase demand. Used prices would go down along with the new prices, once again make used a bargain and resale a benifit to the buyer, not the producer.
If they could make more money by raising prices, why don't they do so already?
You are correct they have not increased price, instead, as the article said, they reduce cost. Reduction of cost happens by reusing old code, easy to implement story lines, shorter and less enjoyable games. I find this as much from consumers willingness to buy crap as I do the effect of used resales.
Companies are in the business of making as much money as possible...
Companies (many, not all) are in the business of making as much "margin" or "net" as possible. Some companies who were more concerned with wuality of product (i.e. WorkingDesigns) Have been forced to leave the game industry because people are not willing to pay for quality.
Hey that's a great attitude. To bad that by pointing this stuff out the prices are not going to change. It is very costly for high quality original game to be produced. What is more likely to happen, if people continue to make the majority of there purchases second hand, is that the game companies will have to change licensing and make games only playable on a single machine. Personally I don't buy things I will only use once (specially games), so I don't find myself selling any of them.
I have had this debate many times in the past. And as much as I agree that the price point of games is probably too high, buying second hand games and complaining is not going to make things better, it will make things worse. The more second hand games we buy, the more publishers have to increase price to compensate. The same thing goes for other artistic media, such as books.
Now a better solution would be if retailers would share part of the rediculous mark up they add to used media with the publishers/manufactures/developers/writers. This approach would allow the price of games to drop over time, allow reuse of a product that would otherwise just be sitting around, and not take to much away from those doing the work.
Either that or socialize the market and then we don't have this issue anymore.
Apple execs are probably sitting around right now really pissed off that their plan to show the insecurities of windows has failed, and in turn backfired on one of their allies (all be it unseen).
How is it that everytime the root kit comes up, Microsoft comes out squeaky clean even though they were the ones who created a system so easily exploited?
Information wants to be free, deal with it.
You realize that includes information about your personal habits and what you do in your own home. And you may actually beleive that is ok (as do I), but alot of people have this felling that even if they have nothing to hide they should be able to. I say screw it, lets put web cams in every room on every house and make it all publically available at all times. Hey, if you can't do it/say it in front of the public then don't do it at all. (This goes for our world leaders as well)
Hey thanks for the support. But you are risking your karma being in my corner. I have this nasty habit of pointing out painful truths and getting the infamous Funny/Flamebait or Insightful/Troll mod. But atleast it did inspire me to finally set up a signature for my posts (not that it will stay long).
I have my PoweBook set up as a "complete dev enviroment." including all the following: - Java, PHP and others (built in languages) - C, C++ and many others (through Apple Developer tools) - J2EE (Jboss) with Macromedia Coldfusion running on top - MySQL Or Remote connection to MSSQL (including multiple GUI Admin and dev tools). You could probably run MSSQL in Virtual PC but I don't know why you would want to. I would say that is a fairly complete dev enviroment, and it works very well.
Real Men don't code HTML. Real Men don't write web pages. Documents are for secretaries not programmers.
One at work, one in the home office, two for the kids, and a laptop, and they're done.
/. community I rarely hear mention of DRM.
I'm not trying to start anything here but do you really think this would happen. How many households have 4 seperate general purpose computers(Not one work and one play) used by 4 different people(not one geek with 4 computers) all with the same taste in music? heck I bet you would find it hard to find even 1% of the populous having a household with 4 MP3 players, used by 4 different people all with the same taste in music.
DRM doesn't bother most people. It does not interfere with "normal" usage (excpet when poorly implemented as was done by Sony recently). It does interfere with copying and distributing (things usually done by criminals and not the average person). Outside of the
It's been a ploy all alog. Microsoft gets IBM to make chips for thier latest venture. Microsoft uses questionable buisness practices to cause IBM to lose revenue (or increase expense), possibly by blaming thier up coming failure in the console world on IBM. IBM share holders become afraid of potential lose and sell shares. Microsoft purchases shares of IBM and becomes major share holder. New Microsoft microprocessor division is formed from the old IBM company. Microsoft claims Power architecture better and faster than x86 and drops support of x86. Apple and IBM continue as competitors (which isn't so bad actually) by swapping chip vendors.
Originally I thought this scenario was going to be a bad thing (even if it is just a joke), but after thinking about it, I like it. It could mean cell based PCs and a reworking of windows into something more secure and enjoyable to use. It would also force Sony to find a new chip manufacture for it's next console potentially creating a new and more powerful architecture.
This is all bullshit speculation, but fun to think about anyway.
I too have a TiPowerBook and have had only one problem with it, and that is the battery life. I still have all the original parts and it still looks and works perfectly (3 years later), except the battery dies in anywhere from 5min to 40 min of use and seems to be pretty darn random. Oh I did have to replace my power cord. This is my only computer and use it for both home (including many wasted hours playing diablo II of all things) and some work (I'm a developer so when I can I use my PowerBook but sometimes that just isn't possible). So far it has been the most solid peice of machinery I have ever owned (though I do own a first gen ps2 that only failed me once and that was fixed for free).
My wife also has an iBook that has put in a good two year, after the first monitor was replace becuase of the whole white spot issue.
I might just be lucky with technology, but for my money Apple makes a solid product.
I was going to Mod this interesting but decided, after reading the responses, to comment instead>
I can agree with all the commentators that the parent post is not informative. I'm not a scientist or phycisist (thought I play one on slashdot and other blogs), so I 'll accept that the parent may be incorect in his, theoretical, use of microwaves to write to magnetic media based on the other commentary. But even if the parent is incorrect it does not make the post any less interesting or any more of a troll. Interst has nothing to do with accuracy, and Troll, according to everyones favorite reference is some one "who post inflammatory messages". I see nothing particualarly inflammatory about the parent post. Just because you disagree does not make it inflammatory.
It comes down to how well you can compartmentalize the project. I don't beleive in building any enterprise size application from the ground up. You build the peices from the ground up. In architecture you don't start with raw iron and build a building from it. You create steal from the iron, create girders from the steal and then start to construct the buildings frame from the girders. If you can, you buy prefab parts as much as possible (if they truely fit the intended purpose). For application development it should be the same. If you know your appliation is going to use a certain set up algorithms, you get those writen, working and tested first. You do things like build the master loop first (which many modern development environments take care of for you already) and then plug completely tested peices into that. Too often projects are designed so that the peices can not be tested seperately, and this leads to alot of trouble. In the end, no mater how you look at it, you do things in the tried and true waterfall approach. You may go though many iterations of the waterfall, and you might have to do it for many components, but if you are not doing it at all you are probably bound to fail.
Even RUP is waterfall.
>I have to assume you either don't play video games, or regularly break intelectual property laws.
no, I buy Nintendo.
Isn't that what I said? (People it's a joke...)